If she had any self control at all everyone could of been happy in the end

could of been

Retard.

Retard.

you seem mad

The only reason her actions are not judged harshly is because she is cute.
She doesn't care about the canvas and the world Verso created she just wants to live in the fantasy fake world, she knows very well her father will destroy the canvas after she is dead.

If she can prove she's genuine in not returning to the painting immediately and actively helps Renoir and Clea in hiding it from Aline, she'd be fine. Renoir himself says it's not like he wants to destroy the last fragment of Verso's soul but these bitches around him just don't give him any other choice.

leave canvas

a week passes

50 in-canvas years pass

Yeah it was either stay in or leave forever

Fuck Maelle and fuck Verso, her ending is the best because of that

Everyone else in the painting lives a happy life

Maelle goes insane

Verso is a puppet forced to be alive due to Maelle's wishes

Ignores the fact she is also a painter who can create more worlds herself if she stopped drowning in her own misery

You can still leave whenever.

She wouldn't have left. Her defensive reaction to Verso asking her to leave just once and come back later proves her intent was to remain and live a fantasy like her mother

Renoir should just kill their real body out of spite after Maelle's ending

Exactly that why the ending happens.
Verso was willing to go along with everything until Maelle proved that she could not be trusted and in turn forced his hand.

sex with maelle

Dude had to kill himself twice for his retarded sister

Not just that, but even before when she's arguing with Renoir she shows 0 concern for either of the Versos or really anyone else in the painting, she just cries about how she's personally happier in there than she is irl.

The moment that really shows that the real Maelle is gone and Alicia is a cunt is when she erases Painted Alicia with this expression on her face.

I wouldn't put much stock in the jank ass facial animations

The intent with Maelle/Alicia in Act 3 is very noticeable. Especially during the ending when she's lying to Renoir and then Verso.

I don't even understand the Maelle ending niggers. Renoir will wait outside, until he regains his strength, if Maelle is still coping inside the painting he will go back in and beat the shit out of her at full strenth. If he's not strong enough to do it he convinces Clea to go inside instead and promies that he will help her kill the Writer niggers after Alicia is out of the painting.
Maelle isn't spending her life in the painting in either ending you dumb fucking retarded niggers

at first i liked the ending but after sleeping on it, what was the fucking point of act3? and doing all your companions quests specially monoco's if saving the canvas is literally the bad ending? it's a weird tonal shift just in the end for plot twist reasons like what the fuck? verso it's fine and a minute after is begging for his death? maelle becomes a dictator god, so weird this ending, it's clear they wanted to make clear that scapism=bad but c'mon....

She spent 16 years in that painting. How can anything she creates after even come close to matching how she feels towards that one?

nigger the Alicia that went inside the painting looks about the same age as the Alicia in the Verso ending. Time in real life passes way slower than time in the paintings, I wouldn't be surprised if she only spent a few months or weeks inside the painting

one of the major messages of the entire thing is to spend any and every moment you have as if it's your last, and accepting death is an inevitable part of that

dude Renoir will just eventually kill everyone again lmao

Every extra moment she spends with her real family inside the painting is worth whatever happens to her "real" family outside or the actions they may eventually take.
Her only mistake was keeping Paint Verso around to be miserable. She should have let him die so her won't spend the rest of his existence being a massive Debbie Downer and killing the vibe.

time passes slower

True but there is no evidence that relatively she did not experience that entire 16 years as if they were real years whilst inside the painting.

just revive your friends so they can watch their family die before they also get killed again in a year bro!

just brainwash your brother so he becomes your personal piano playing monkey bro!

just force your brothers soul, who you apparently love very very much to keep painting against his will so you can live in your Larp fantasy world bro!

Yes

yeah but she can go in another painting and spend 16 years there too, she can spend thousands of years inside paintings. 16 years is nothing

Well no, they don't make it clear. The companion quests are supposed to make you care for the characters and the world. It is as real as the real (Painter's) world.
The ending shows that both Verso and Maelle are selfish, they only care about themselves. Maelle's ending is bad for Verso, but isn't it good for everyone else? Aren't they happy and alive?

> live 100+ years

Aline was falling apart after less than 80 years and you Maelle fags think the weakest and frailest member of the family would last even 40, let alone 100+?
Be real.

You can still leave whenever.

Immense cope. She would die in the camvas, she's an addict incapable of stopping on her own

Yup
She saw painted Alicia as an obstacle for her sibling relationship with Verso. She wanted Verso for herself, and her painted version was in the way.
Act 3 Maelle is a selfish, addicted brat that just wants everything to go her way

i think verso's ending is clearly the good ending

verso's real soul nods when he's asked if he's tired of painting

does it mostly to make sure his sister and mother don't die in the canvas

the family gathers at the end and finally have clousure

if the game has a secuel is clearly about "painters vs writers" and not lumiere

She's cute so she deserves it

retard

oh gee guess I'll just die in here to live my fake 60 year life remaining and keep my brother's soul shackled even though the entire game kept showing his NPC being miserable

is gone

She has both lives, otherwise she would have been fine to nuke her friends goodbye

Lune's fucking bitch face when Verso does the right thing

I was laughing too hard to get a screencap, instead having a cap of the correct choice that non-sociopaths make

could of

OP, do you of a brain?

She only even mentions Sciel and Lune and everyone else after her real motivation: escaping reality and her guilt. All they are to her is a justification.

put all the fun bosses and content at the very end of the game so your reward for doing all the extra stuff is 1 (one) boss fight against the last boss so you can OHKO him harder than you probably already did anyways

I hate when they do this shit

Why can’t Verso romance his sisterwife Maelle? I thought this game was French!
Anyhoo.

favourite playable character?

favourite npc?

favourite level?

favourite boss?

i'm still not sure if the canvas is a metaphor for entertainment in general or drugs/alcohol, maybe both, but the devs message is clear, "don't hide away from the real world with your coping mechanisms" all in all better than refugees good and capitalism bad, i guess

I don't care about this game and want evereyone to know that

you know the game never clarified if the people in the painting were "real" or not. Since they don't have souls[/spoiler] which are a real thing in this game, I am guessing not. They just act according to how the painter painted them to act.
I think Verso was the exception for obvious reasons.

Verso
Esquie
I dont know, probably Old Lumiere
Simon, obviously

You're just going to ignore the whole genocide part of it?

Since they don't have souls

Real Verso thought they did.
Painted Alicia is shown to have partial Paintress powers.
Verso in the end acts exactly like Aline created him to act.

It's all deliberately vague and contradictory. But it doesn't matter because the sentience/real question is irrelavant in the end. Verso's Canvas is doomed in every scenario because of the short timeframe.

Pick Verso ending

The Dessendre family can heal and bring the fight to the Writers in earnest

Pick Maelle ending

The Writers win, they've killed Verso, mindbroken his mom, incapacitated Renoir because he has to watch over her or risk her diving into the painting, Clea will get herself killed because she's fighting alone, Verso soul doomed to suffering until Maelle dies

and everyone is a puppet

And some of you cunts still insist both endings are bad

deleting my vidya games when I beat them is "genociding" the characters inside of them

lol

You're a meta victim of The Writers. At the end of the day, the characters in the painting aren't real, they're a product.
By making you care about them, "The Writers" force you into a moral dilemma, making you the instrument of the destruction of the Dessendre family

making you the instrument of the destruction of the Dessendre family

Anon. They're also written. They're game characters. They're not real

people can't understand that a robot can act sentient but not actually be sentient, even chat-gpt can mimic human behaviour decently well if you give it the correct prompts in spite of all the limitations it has. Give chatgpt a human android body and retards will convince themselves that it is sentient

brocon brat

uoh

I really wanna see what the fuck the extent of the "war" between the Painters and Writers even is.
Are there other painter families? How widespread is this "war"? What the fuck even is a "Writer"? etc.
Hopefully they'll expand on this universe in a few years with whatever the next game they make is. Could even be a sequel where Clea takes a more prominent role.

The Dessendre family can heal and bring the fight to the Writers in earnest

Don't forget that there's nothing really stopping her from coming back in a few years after they've beaten the writers and recreating the world in a much more healthy way

newscientist.com/article/2439884-many-people-think-ai-is-already-sentient-and-thats-a-big-problem/
Just another day in the life of people with almost no higher brain functions

Are there other painter families?

Aline was leader of the Painters guild, so yes.

How widespread is this "war"?

Paris looks quite fucked in the final shot of Verso's ending, probably the equivalent of a World War?

What the fuck even is a "Writer"?

If a Painter can make a canvass like the Desendres do, then it's logical to assume Writers can write books to immerse yourself into too

She already convinced him not to destroy the painting once, why can't she do it again after proving she's capable of leaving?

and that's the weakest part in the writting, the humans in lumiere don't make sense in the first place, if they were real humans with souls and their personality was not "painted" like monoco's and esquie then the painters are actually in the godhood realm of powers if they can create actual life

and isn't that just the history of our nature in a nut shell?

They're both the bad ending.

probably the equivalent of a World War?

Yeah, since the grave at the end gives us dates for this Paris Strangereal, I am assuming you have some WW1 analogue going on in the background.
Then again, what practical point does painting shit that only those with the powers can go into have in the real world outside of escapism that kills you?

Verso deserves all the bad shit, play the piano cuck

They're not gods in the real world but in terms of the canvases they are. They're also cruel and uncaring to the lives of their creations.

She spent 4 months in there that she percieved as 16 years. So it might as well have been 16 years.

I assume a properly produced painting can be made to affect the real world. What we're in during the game is basically what child Verso and Clea made.
Wouldn't be surprised if they could spawn Nevrons into real life as foot soldiers, etc.
And the Writers were obviously able to maneuver Alicia and Verso into Vero's death in real life

Painted Alicia is shown to have partial Paintress powers.

And painted Clea has actual full paintress powers and is turned into a Nevron factory by real Clea.

What we're in during the game is basically what child Verso and Clea made.

Now I really wanna see what a canvas created by a more fully realized Painter would look like.

less than 80 years

We have no idea how long Aline was in there. We just know that Renoir was there for 67 years and he was completely fine.

I don’t think the Painters and Writers are a single family I think they’re more like Freemason cults with the Dessendres being a high ranking family

and he was completely fine

said he almost died

was a retarded wood creature/burned man thing before he got shaken back to reality

said it was sheer misery but he held on because he must

did you skip the last hour of the game or something?

Gods are constantly fucking around with creation due to personal issues and family dramas

They care about their subjects but ultimately see them as things to be used and beneath them

Makes me think of the Greek pantheon

And the Writers were obviously able to maneuver Alicia and Verso into Vero's death in real life

Damn you, Alain se Réveiller!

He almost died because he was constantly fighting with Aline in a war of attrition. Maelle wouldn't have that burden.

No, he said that staying in the painting was extremely dangerous and he almost died. He gave a big speech twice in the game about the dangers of the canvas. Again, did you NOT play the game?

Yes we know that staying the canvas is dangerous. But we have no idea how long it is dangerous for. We don't know if it is 100 years or a 1000 years.

Nah, if it's detroyed, it won't be Verso's (and Clea's in a way) world anymore, she would be able to create her own take on the world, but this one is Verso's take and even though it's corrupted by the whole family fucking wiht it, it's still kept alive by a fragment of Verso.

Paintress is the real final boss. Renoir is just keeping Maelle alive and AP'd up enough to use Stendahl two or three times.

So everything had gone wrong because of a few emotional selfish women with too much power in their hands, and the men had to step in trying to fix the mess they caused not one, but at least twice?

What the fuck even is a "Writer"?

aren't the writers the actual writers of the game?, they can't influence the canvases but can create struggle fro the protagonists of 'the real world'

Renoir was in for 49 in-canvas years, and Aline somewhat longer than that, perhaps a decade or two, at the time Alicia entered, and Clea's comments make it seem that even for those two experienced Painters it's bordering on the limits.
We see what Aline's state of mind and body is like after what must be less than an in-canvas century inside.

aren't the writers the actual writers of the game?

Such a dumb take, I don't know where people keep getting it. Everything must be meta/deconstruction brain rot I suppose.

and Aline somewhat longer than that, perhaps a decade or two

We have no idea how long. That's my point. It could have been a decade, but it could also have been a century. It was at least long enough to make Renoir worried and determined to destroy the canvas.

No, actually everything went wrong because men were as emotional and retarded as women and a single woman (Clea) had to hold everything together.

Verso being a suicidal emo with an identity crysis causes 200% more misery for everyone every step of the way than there needs to be since he keeps getting attached and backstabbing both sides

Renoir's thirst for what his wife WAS and his necessity to put Alicia on a pedestal keep making him do retarded and sentimental choices instead of just cutting matters short, including doing a kaiju battle with his wife and shitting all over his sons' painting rather than have one conversation

Simon is a gigantic fucking simp and just being told he might get Clea pussy is enough to brainwash him

If Clea had not kept everything together and Gustave had not found the way of making Lumina converters, everyone would be fucked, essentially, because they are all inept fucking retards.

I SAID PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO, PUPPET

aren't the writers the actual writers of the game?

It's Alan Wake.

We know it's bait but it's still not how it works, anon.

it is literally how it works and why that scene was there to let you know that, you omega level retard

beat renoir

use the croma to revive all the people in lumiere

unfuck the world

give verso a special weapon that can actually erase him from the canvas if he really wants out

leave the canvas for now

enter sometimes to go on adventures with esquie and co.

it was really that fucking hard you maelle cunt?

well how could the painters go to war against the writers?, push people inside the canvases? perhaps the writers create the idea and painters materialize it

Ok. I guess I will trust a shitposter on the internet instead of the things the game has stated outright.
Such as that not being possible.

Verso wasn't really about HIM; he wanted to save the sliver of his real self.

it's really fucking funny how you're too retarded to understand a scene that not intended to be confusing or vague

Considering Verso himself literally states both he and Maelle are full of shit hypocrites and are only doing what they do for their own sakes, I am inclined to disagree with your headcanon.

If that makes you feel at peace with your headcanon, keep your ball rolling. Won't make it any less of a delusion on your part.

We have no idea how long. That's my point. It could have been a decade, but it could also have been a century.

Nah, in the context of the conversation anything over a decade or two, perhaps three, makes no sense. If she'd spent longer than the 49 years Renoir was in even before that, the dialogue would be different than "quite a while already".

leave the canvas

oops it has been 80 years inside and all the friends you knew already died

Imagine seriously discussing and becoming emotionally invested in a literal reddit story

headcanon spam

1 minute apart

schizo retard can't understand a plot point not intended to be confusing. Par for the course. I don't really give a shit you didn't understand the game, though.

better than being emotionally invested in a game doing well and posing a literal discord troon seethe campaign in response
lmao

There are hints that Painter powers affect the real world, not just Canvases. There are floating frames inside the manor and Alicia mentions that Renoir and Clea could easily repair the fire damage.

Cool stuff, now you can hopefully shush for a while.

well how could the painters go to war against the writers?

Shoot them or something. Their war clearly isn't all fantastical magic doohickery.
The Writers straight up just set fire to the mansion, which was enough to kill Verso and significantly maim Alicia.

muh headcanon

no anon, it's better to hate everything and only enjoy things ironically. god i wish i was a teen again

No but seriously it's funny that you can't understand an ending that is clear as day. Like, even fucking retarded Youtube comments get it. You are more retarded than Youtube commenters.
lol

Really does make you wonder how did Verso manage to die in the process of nevertheless saving Alicia.

The Writers straight up just set fire to the mansion

I think it involved book magic. Alicia wanted to be a Writers, there are typewriters in her room. I think the fire was started by some magic book akin to a Canvas, and Verso died because he literally had to take Alicia's place because it was magical.
Else it doesn't make much sense that she survived and he didn't.

Yes, yes, here's your attention cookie.

Yeah, I agree, based Verso! Destroy that escapism!

goes back to wasting away playing video games for thousands of hours across decades straight

Yes, yes, here's your too stupid to understand a video game cookie

Thanks!

Probably nothing crazy.

oh no le mansione is on le fire

quick, i must save my sistere

sacre bleu, ziz lead coated ceiling beam 'az... 'ow you say... fallen an' crushed my organze... merde...

That's a good point actually. Maybe Clea is pissed about the influence the Writers had on Alicia or something which lead to the tragedy. Explains why she's off fighting her "solitary war" instead of focusing on getting Aline out of the canvas.

Could have
Fucking merisharts

She even removed his scar that he made a point of telling her why he kept it.

Stop making me fall in love.

give verso a special weapon that can actually erase him from the canvas if he really wants out

People are getting lost in these dumb threads or they haven't actually played the game. Verso isn't someone who just wants to die and be done with it, even as a copy he still is Verso, the guy who sacrificed himself for his little sister, he does not want Alicia to be a paint crackhead and snuff her life away. It's like people are forgetting Verso went along with everything Maelle did by the endgame until he realized she had no intention of ever leaving the Canvas.

Technically he said that only to Sciel, and in an optional cutscene.
So just like Julie, Simon and Painted Clea don't show up remade in the ending despite that obviously being something that would happen, it's likely the ending cutscene was made way before the side conversations/dungeons or simply made to not accommodate the knowledge in them in case people didn't do them.

and because he WAS Verso, he also wanted the same thing as the real one would've wanted; stop acting like he was alive and move the fuck on with life.

He's just what Aline think Verso was, should be noted. He does not hold the same thoughts or moral compass as he does.
Real Verso would not destroy the Canvas as he considers the people in it real.

Clea is the most interesting character of the family really. She actual supports Alicia in doing what she wants to do, same as she supported Verso. She has strong feeling about her own independence as well after all. The way she calls her parents by her first names and scolds Aline.

She carries the weight of the family and the Painters' faction on her shoulders. This made her become a pragmatic ice queen, but she still cares about her family. She does however also have a vindictive cruel streak when she feels she's been personally insulted, as seen in what she pulls on Painted Clea, Simon and the Axon her father made of her.

Tomorrow comes!

repeated all through the game

well except for Maelle in her horrorshow ending complete with dissonant piano chords playing but hey I'm pretty sure that it's the good end because no genocide of fake people XD

Real Verso would not destroy the Canvas as he considers the people in it real.

Real Verso would do anything to save his sister, which is perfectly emulated by Painted Verso.
He literally gave his life to save Alicia, why would he do a 180 for people he made up when he was a child?

Real Verso would not destroy the Canvas as he considers the people in it real.

did you miss where the little boy who appears constantly through the game says he wants to stop paining and shit sucks? That was Verso, stupid fuck.

WHO ARE THE WRITERS. WHY ARE THEY AT WAR WITH PAINTERS.

It's like bringing up some secret fucking lizardpeople out of fucking nowhere. I'm going to assume the conflict started when a painter says "Haha you know what they say, a picture says more than a thousand words!" and a painter took it so badly he started the war.

Real Verso would not destroy the Canvas as he considers the people in it real.

Pure speculation. First he did not create any of the humans in the Canvas, Second you are conveniently leaving the scenario of what would the real Verso react to his little sister losing to depression and become an addict.

I mean, they show her using her power during the show (the eye thing the others were doing in the real world when using their powers) and it shows her face melting into the husk that those stay too long turn into
You'd have to be a real tard to understand the game is showing you that Renoir was not making shit up and she would die rather quickly by staying

"Haha you know what they say, a picture says more than a thousand words!" and a painter took it so badly he started the war.

He died for his sister

Why would he not kill thousands upon thousands of his children to send her unsupervised back to reality where she is going to be part of a war she has no means of defending herself in??

Again.
Real Verso = / = Painted Verso.
Painted Verso is Aline's perception of Verso, someone who would literally destroy a world for his sister because exactly what you are saying.
In reality, Painted Verso believes all lives to be equal, painted or otherwise. He does not want the Canvas destroyed and tells you to please look after the painted beings in the world if you do the side content of the game.
Real Verso would want them all to stop being absolute mongoloids and reach an understanding. He would believe they need to find the means of keeping the Canvas safe and learn to use it responsibly somehow, and giving his own creations more time to be with Alicia and convince her to return to the real world would be the way to do that.
This is common sense. Real Verso would not project the faults of their parents into Alicia, even if she was being a brat at the time of their fight.

Clea is the best girl and should get her own game

to me, the line about the fake Renoir 'not being a generous depiction of the real man' shows that they're just illusions, as was stated in the beginning of the game by fake Alicia before her words made sense

they don't know that they are illusions

they don't know that they don't know

Did you miss the part where he is tired of the CONFLICT that is making him have to keep the world stable and he wishes the painting would go back to being a celebration of life instead of a warzone then tells you all the people in the canvas have souls and should be protected? Or do you only intake the information that is convenient?

He does not want the Canvas destroyed

Hey do you want to stop painting, me?

*nods*

retard on Anon Babble: NO YOU SEE HE ACTUALLY DID HE WAS JUST 4D CHESS LYING AND THE NOD MEANT NO I DO NOT WANT TO STOP NOT PAINTING

gets rid of both people causing the issue

gets asked if he wants to stop

says yes still

Do you?

Painted Alicia's poetry monologue is also another hint at Alicia wanting to be a writer.

i know, but i think it's better to give him that option, imagine if maelle actually don't come back and then what? he has no option but to live for eternity

I don't want to be a world creating god i just want to wear my little sailor outfit and play music that isn't magical

What?
That line just means his personality is not the same in the canvas or outside the canvas.
And then it turns out that it actually is a perfectly accurate depiction, on top of that.

Yep, you are huffing on your headcanon at this point. We don't have a way of knowing much of real Verso's opinion on several things, but there is one thing the game does show, he wants to stop painting, the kid you met in several locations says criptic things that you can later piece together once you reach the end.

for those who come after

except for the Verso's ending because they are all dead so no one comes after

Very wishful thinking from young vesion of Verso, much like how a boy thinks his imaginary friends or npcs in video games are ‘real’
His words should not be taken as fact

because they are all dead so no one comes after

actual fucking retard

for those who come after

oh you mean like the REAL people in the REAL world, who can now begin living real lives?

The only actual victims are Simon and Painted Clea

the people responsible for all the death are actually the ones that comes after

Retard.

REAL

What do you mean real? they are video game characters

For those who come after meant "for the sake of the priviledged few that put us in this issue to begin with" all along

Kino
Reverse French Revolution

Verso wanted to be a musician

Alicia wanted to be a writer

Clea wants to be a war criminal

Aline and Renoir must be the shittiest parents if their kids want to do anything but what they were born for.

What do you mean real? they are video game characters

you 100% can tell this dumbfuck pushed his fedora back as he typed this with a smile thinking

heh got him

What a fucking retarded, kek. Verisimilitude - look it up, Fedora-kun

Aline and Renoir must be the shittiest parents

I mean
Considering
Yeah.

If you can view the video games characters as real. Why can't the painting people also be real?

in this story, they are real people. Them being 'fake' in a meta sense does not matter one bit when discussing the story. This is not hard to understand if you aren't a complete fucking retard. But you are, aren't you?

Because they aren't according to the people in the story with the powers who created them? Stupid fuck

The painter/writer war feels pointless. It adds nothing. You could've easily had it been a story about internal family grief where Alicia either caused an accident, or was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and Verso saves her life (albeit still burnt) and he gives his own life to save his sister.

This would still fill the roles of the grieivng mother who blames her daughter, the pragmatic sister and the stoic (yet still enormously saddened) father. Her desire to get away from real life would still be there, and her brothers role would still be the same.

They are just as real as the painting people. Maelle/Alicia acts just as real as Gustave or Verso.

you probably also think Chat GPT is alive.

favourite playable character?

Monoco

favourite npc?

I want Golgra to splinter my fucking cock.
Other than that, Renoir Reale

favourite level?

Monolith or Sirene, can't choose

favourite boss?

Painted Renoir 2 (before paintress)
I fucking need playable Renoir

Clea has already mastered painting. Her parents are supposed to be the best and she is way better than them.

Because they aren't according to the people in the story with the powers who created them?

Verso disagrees. Maelle disagrees.

Whole of Lumière dead

Alicia is forever alone, burnt, can't talk, her parents and sister blame her for her brother's death

Also Verso mostly acted in a selfish way. Did he do it to save his sister and mother? Or just to be able to kill himself?

Our son just died let's go have kaiju battles inside his sandbox and throw feces at each other during the literal middle of a war

I am pretty sure the fact they are garbage parents is not even up to discussion.

It's not healthy.

I meant even before Versos death.

no see Maelle ending is the good one despite the horror movie piano chords and the cut to her mangled decaying face showing the end was coming fast

and the fact that when she dies, the people, who are not original creations of the world and are being maintained by her since her mother is not there anymore will all go away too but ignore that lol!

Are you Asian or something? It's pretty normal for children to have interests different from their parents.

I truly wish the game was about the Expedition and the adventure of a thousand years. My day was literally ruined when I noticed it wasn't.

I get that, but if that is how they react in a crisis it's a bit of a telling characteristic.

In Act 3 he's clearly shown to go along with Alicia's plan, until two things right at the end that revert him to his original plans: seeing Aline's state outside the Canvas and seeing Alicia lie to Renoir.

Alicia is forever alone, burnt, can't talk, her parents and sister blame her for her brother's death

trying actually watching the other ending before you headcanon it you fucking retard

It's not healthy.

People like you should be forced to read/watch Johnny Got His Gun.

Verso's ending is the good one despite the death of thousands because the other ending is in black and white

You are a child

she can revisit any time in any world, forcing someone to live for your own selfish reasons is selfish

Knowing frogspeak saves you the pain.
The overworld songs spoil you the entire plot and basically let you know ahead of time the game will not give a single fuck about the expeditions before long.

in actuality the ending shows them all together finally, accepting the death of their son at his grave

why not just watch what is in the game before you make up random stuff?

The painter/writer war feels pointless

So far maybe; the devs couldn't know the game would be a success or not beforehand, but that background lore does open possibilities new games in what can become a series, either a direct sequel or a spin-off in the same universe that can explore that Painter and Writer conflict in more detail.

It's even funnier if you do Maelle's bond sidequest.

sacrifice personal relationships entire life to focus on research

puts aside her emotions and grief of her comrades to focus on the mission

acts completely selfless the entire game so that "tomorrow comes"

"for those who come after"

gets betrayed at the last second by the habitual liar that she's been calling out since the very beginning

you didn't actually choose the bad ending, right Anon Babble?

How to I beat Golgra on characters that deal literally zero damage aka Lune and Monoco? At least Sciel can cash out the tier 3 gradient attack after 10 turns of setup for 1/20th the damage of a turn 1 Stendahl from Maelle.

Highest damage I dealt with Lune was around 400k with Elemental Genesis, and Monoco 800k with his Tier 3 Gradient.

why dont u explain instead of saying just look the entire 30 hour playthrough up for this one line that disproves everything

This is not the type of game or story you expand upon. Any expansion would be mediocre or terrible, without a shadow of a doubt. It works perfectly for ONE (1) game. That's it.

They already confirmed a movie and DLC, so you are baseline incorrect.

horror movie dissonance chords are actually LE GOOD!

her crying because she knew it was all fake is actually LE GOOD!

her face melting like her mother and the curator is actually LE GOOD!

Verso without his scar, looking pissed off and miserable is actually LE GOOD, he's loving it

lmao

It adds nothing.

It hints at a larger magical world. I dunno why people are so mindbroken by like two lines mentioning another faction next to the Painters.

death of thousands

Painted people

b…but some vague dialogue said they have soul!

Still not real in the story

all gonna ‘die’ really soon anyway since Alicia cant keep it up for long

DLC

Could easily be some comedic focused DLC

Movie

Yeah because video game movies/series are so fucking good and faithful.

watch the other ending RETARD

It really sucked for her. I felt she really did feel something for Gustave but never pursued it because of her goals. Nothing even mattered in the end. They were doomed from the beginning.

All good decisions in the story came from Gustave and later the party disagreeing with Lune's cold and logical opinions. Ironic, her logical mind was only good for preventing Gustave from killing himself in the beginning.

Coulda woulda

You said "this is not something you expand upon", they clearly have the intention to expanding on it.
Everything else is speculation.

good = no sadness whatsoever

Take heroin every day until you die.

Hopefully no DLC, just another game.

Semantics schmemantics

Nigger clearly I was implying it'd be a terrible fucking idea.

The right to make a movie were bought by a company that's bought the right to make a movie for other videogames yet have never actually done anything with the rights. Dlc was mentioned as a possibleity from a dev on a random dm.

when you just wanna die and she says 'play the piano bitch'

I'm not alone in thinking the game was setting up Sciel and Lune to be lesbians with each other because of that one cutscene, right?

good = no sadness whatsoever

ironic considering the other ending you didn't understand, you stupid fucking retard kek

Just repaint them when you've dealt with your grief. There is no real death for painted people.

could of

Yurifags are insufferable

probably not most people these days are afflicted by brain rot like yours

and they all die anyways when Maelle bites it

they'll die after living long happy lives for decades

Oh no how tragic.

It' not about escapism you dumb nigger it's about grief. Verso literally tells her that her life won't be shit because she's a paintress and can visit countless worlds. The Painters literally just paint worlds and fuck around in them. Their entire life is escapism. Just kys by eating a tidepod fucking retarded nigger

Verso destroyed the canvas. There is no coming back from that.

Maelle's ending fucks over Fagso, that shitty family outside and selfish Maelle herself while the innocents of the painting get to live even if its short term before things go south again. They endured generations of grief and pain, they deserve something good.

They die anyway in any possible scenario. In Maelle's ending they're no better off than the Last Generation with the Monolith ticking down, and with nothing to outlast them or remember them when they're gone.

Just repaint them in a new canvas. Maybe give Gustave back his arm. Then make them immortal if you hate death that much.

He destroyed A canvas. Repaint them in a new one.

Verso is weak
P went through even worse shit and it only made him stronger

Do we know how long a painting year is in real-world time?

the painters world is in a piece of art too

copies made by Maelle that play to her tune

happy

Verso is FORCED to play the piano even though he wants to die.

after living long happy lives for decades

nice, what's that word you like, "headcanon"? Unfortunately, the game established:

Maelle is not good at painting like her mother

she is already decaying immediately after and will not last nearly as long as her mother at maintaining the people

Renoir will probably destroy the painting when it becomes clear Maelle was lying and he can no longer fool himself about it

sorry!

P is an emotionless robot for 95% of the game.

We are all going to die.

In Maelle's ending they're no better off than the Last Generation with the Monolith ticking down

You mean the same generation that never stopped fighting and definitly wouldn't have wanted to die.

Repaint them in a new one.

They wouldn't be the same. Just as Painted Verso is not the same as Painter Verso.
Headcanon.

There's nothing that says that can be done. Alicia and Lune moreover come to the conclusion it in fact can't be done.
They'd be other people that just look like them, but in the end aren't them.

They both are.

This board has to be filled with the dumbest retards on the planet. Please tell me you're just shitposting for (yous)

It doesn't seem very long, it might be as short as 1 year = 1 hour, given how the manor is still damaged from the fire and they haven't had a funeral in Monolith Year 49.

they don't understand that even though the ending made it VERY clear with her eye showing her powers were active, the creepy shots of Lune and Sciel, the horror movie shock chords, and Verso's fucking face the entire cutscene as he moves around like a wooden soldier

P displays human emotions all the way since he sets foot inside the hotel.

if I call it headcanon I can pretend it didn't happen even though it was obvious

You mean the same generation that never stopped fighting and definitly wouldn't have wanted to die.

Did you pay any attention to the start of the game? The Expedition barely had any volunteers, dwindling every year, and the leader of Lumière herself considers it a waste. Most of Lumière was ready to give in.

So which one is it?
Is Alicia the weakest paintress in the family or is Alicia capable of doing things neither Clea nor Aline can, which would make her vastly stronger?
Can only have one of those narratives going.

The leader of Lumiere considered it a waste because it would kill people faster. Meaning she still saw value in her short life.

youtube.com/watch?v=9HsMVig_B_A&t=1186s
these niggas need to rewatch the ending. Verso is missing his scar (because he was recreated as SHE wants, not as he wants) and he has massive veins popping out on his hands, probably due to fighting the compulsion controlling him. Can't prove that last part, but when you play piano, you do NOT tense your hands up like that and I don't think the devs missed that point. It think it's deliberate.

Chinese people like us know how to control ourselves.

But we know how to write interesting characters. Thank you.

They spent decades watching failure after failure, it'd break most people into giving up and accepting their imminent death. There was no hope left for most of Lumiere but the few who still believed kept fighting.

Imagine not choosing Maelle, couldn't be me.

They're not real buddy. There's a reason painters get fucked living in them

look at his fucking face and how he's gasping and choking. Only an autist would misunderstand this ending.

to control ourselves.

Yeah, by killing 30 millions of chinks every 50 years or so lol

Alicia and Lune moreover come to the conclusion

Alicia is inexperienced and more interested in reading and writing. Lune has hardly any insight into the powers of a painter.

They'd be other people that just look like them, but in the end aren't them.

Who is to say that's not exactly what she's already doing in her own end?

she didn't draw over them like Clea nigger. She deleted them and drew copies. That is the reason Verso doesn't have a scar in the ending. She genocided most of your precious little fake painting people you love so much herself

they deserve something good

being controlled by Maelle for a little bit before all vanishing anyways when she dies IRL

lol

But is that short life worth it next to the possibility of future Canvases being created, the "Lendemains non Écrits?", the future of the Painters in the real world, potentially lasting into myriad centuries and millennia across both reality and many canvases?
A few decades of doomed existence without legacy, no future for their children, vs unlimited potential. That is the true choice here.

youtu.be/EWEK2-6whZI?list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM

fpbp

1900s france

they are both going to be swept away by the KINOmatographers

I find it amusing that zoomers can't handle any kind of implied world building or things that not explicitly explained.

It's fine to kill thousands because new people can be made.
So it's fine to kill you because there will always be new babies being made?

I prefer the interpretation of it being him feeling the weight of everyone's expectations, and the uncanny valley randomness being a projection of his fears onto the rest, thus why it focuses on his eyes before going into the spooky vibes.
I also prefer to read him then committing to play as facing his fears anyway and, like he says, using music to finally let the burdens around him disappear.

The developers have stated outright the game ending is meant to be completely greyscale on both ends, intentionally, with both negatives and positives on them and everything is intended purely for interpretation.
The cutscene being intended to be taken bluntly, while also making Alicia do things that go generally against her characterization, plus making everyone in the party accomplices to it feels too heavy handed for that, and unfitting.

Kek, sure

If the alcoholic drank in moderation, he'd be completely fine.

Wow, what an astute observation.

while also making Alicia do things that go generally against her characterization

the dead are dead and those are copies. The part of the game with Noko and the explanation given to you was for a reason.

Every time, this false equivalence answer.
Maellefags are as bad as Mewtfags were 20 years ago.

How do we know the "real" world is real? Painters can create immensely intricate worlds, who is to say their world isn't fake too?

I don't misunderstand it, I just don't give a shit about Verso. He's been lying constantly, betraying constantly. I'd rather choose the Canvas people over Verso. Maëlle will feel shit in both endings, but at least here she can live in her illusion with Gustave and her friends.

How do we know the "real" world is real? Painters can create immensely intricate worlds, who is to say their world isn't fake too?

The gestrals are a unique species. We see Lune and Sciel come back exactly like they were before. It's not the same.

Why is Clea's war treated as being just as bad as two dumb bitches killing themselves in a painting. She is actually trying to get things done and get justice for her brother

favourite playable character?

Gustave, followed by Monoco

favourite npc?

Esquie, mon ami

favourite level?

Sirene, the buildup towards the boss was something else

favourite boss?

Sirene, the final act was a spectacle.

Oups, meant to reply to

Maëlle will feel shit in both endings

She literally looks at peace for the first time in Verso's ending

Sounds unlikely.

>favourite playable character?

Sciel

>favourite npc?

Renoir (both)

>favourite level?

The Reacher
youtube.com/watch?v=CbX-YDydyNU&list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM&index=123
youtube.com/watch?v=YEaU0XtOFc0&list=OLAK5uy_lJbuSXw4Bfo2tDlP6s_CNznTfYGe0GEBM&index=125

>favourite boss?

Paintress

she can live in her illusion with Gustave and her friends

sure if you ignore the part where she can't and they're all going to die very shortly

I really didn't feel it that way. The final shot is her totally alone and looking sad.

they're all going to die

We will all die someday.

very shortly

Headcanon.

Either way, their world will last substantially longer than the 60-70 in-Canvas years before Alicia dies.
It really isn't a matter of being "real" or "sentient".
Life keeps forcing cruel choices, any outcome is amoral, and at that point cold pragmatism rules and it becomes a numbers game.

Why does ending Verso not have a scar then? How the fuck did Gustave revive if he didn't get Gommaged? She made a fake larp world inside of the fake larp world. That's why everyone looks uncomfortable as fuck in her ending kek. Except her of course, she looks insane.

She literally looks at peace for the first time in Verso's ending

she looks like a fucking lunatic and her face is rapidly melting into the gaping wounds her mother and father had after 66 years only after a week or two instead

LOL

I'm still in Flying Waters, play the game more slowly please.

Hallucinating everyone you love getting gommaged in front of you feels like a strange kind of peace, more like internalizing your pain like you used to do because your family is unstable and prone to melties. But if you say so.

Headcanon.

retard

Illiteratebro, you're talking about Maelle's ending

this is fine

That's how all painters look. We saw similar things on Clea's face and she had barely even been in the canvas.

Lune and Sciel's reaction on that ending was gut punching to me. Not only knowing everything was "fake", but that it was coming to an end. Fuck this game, I will keep listening to the OST
youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94

she should at the very least unpaid verso

Oh, you're correct actually. She looks like a lunatic in her ending, and in Verso's she is smiling with her family for the first time in ages

The developers have stated outright the game ending is meant to be completely greyscale on both ends, intentionally, with both negatives and positives on them and everything is intended purely for interpretation.
It's odd that people forget about this to come up with the wildest and most retarded conclusions for things.
Then again it's probably shitposters.

b-but what about L-lumiere

Shut the fuck up, cans of Nuln Oil

Verso canvas world is a doomed world from a dead man, with no future to speak of

Then why did make one greyscale and the other colorful?

That's how all painters look

the game explicitly tells you what will happen if you stay and how dangerous it is

and Renoir explicitly tells her it will happen fast as fuck for her because she's been there 16 years already and she's not as skilled as them

how do you retards function IRL if you can't even pay attention to text in a video game?

Probably to demonstrate that you should not be taking the part in greyscale literally.

I think Alicia is cuter than Maelle so I went with the Verso ending

Morally, philosophically greyscale dumb dumb. There are merits to both endings as well as negatives.

>the game explicitly tells you what will happen if you stay and how dangerous it is

It doesn't tell you how long it will be though. You saying

very shortly

Is 100% headcanon. We simply don't know how long it will be.

then why does one have nice music and is in color and the other has a jumpscare, uncanny valley faces, and is in black and white? You might just be retarded

Kill yourself baiting mongoloid

smiles at her big sister

Renoir and Aline have stopped fighting

her "final goodbye" to her friends is them all smiling and waving"

don't let anyone tell you otherwise, they are actual autismos out for cunny

actually it was to accentuate the bad ending and the good ending

why did they give Alicia crazy painter eyes and made her look insane in one ending but had her look normal and smiling in the other ending?

And give one a beautiful and hopeful ending theme and lyrics and the other discordant piano slams, existential horror and a jump scare?

the characters in the painting aren't real, they're a product

They are real though, you see their struggles, dreams and aspirations throughout the game. If you use the scientific classification of life with them they would pass no problem.
Lumiere and it's inhabitants are worth preserving.

one week after the Alicia's ending

Clea is finally tired of her sisters shit and goes in and turns all her friends into soulless monsters

it's the same schizo over and over trying to talk about the Maelle Mascara Moment purely out of his ass

Okay so it -was- a shitposter

That's a hot child.

Alter-Verso still wants to destroy it all because he wants to stop existing

Uh oh melty!

Aline got Macron’s attention and approval

Anons Maelle fags choose the ending where they shove their head in the sand and ignore the actual problems. Why are you trying to reason with them? You can't reason with a retarded addict

The endings are a very easy test of media literacy. They really couldn't do much more than to drive the point across, yet so many gamers still failed to understand. Baffling.

Because Alicia will go insane and die in the painting and her family's grief will never heal but the world survives. Verso's ending is the opposite, their entire world has to die for that one family to heal.

Childhood is thinking Maelle is right
Adulthood is realizing that Clea is right

no see the horror chords and jumpscare are uhh...good and the good music is actually bad... you just don't get it

Guess the trend of coming into a thread purely to leave dishonest pseudo-opinions for the sake of it is just going to perpetuate endlessly.

the world survives

For a few decades

the scientific classification of life

Remind me what does it say about the soul, a thing that apparently exists in this universe?

but the world survive

why do you retards keep saying this? They said it would not like 50 fucking times and you tards keep making shit up

But Clea tells Alicia to do whatever the fuck she wants because she owes nothing to nobody as long as she is having fun.

Ascendancy is realizing Maelle is right.

Anon if Alicia actually dies in that painting you think Renoir won't instantly burn it?

Basedjak game

Macron would play it if you could romance with a 20 year older hag

The remnant of Verso's soul very clearly states that everything in the painting has a soul.

does matter if he does or doesn't anyways; the people were her mom's creations and with her gone Maelle is the one creating them/holding them together. When Maelle is done, so are they.

maturity is realizing the writers were right

but the world survives

Again, it's not real, Alicia is killing herself to keep NPC's alive for a few extra days in the real world

Since when do they work like that?
Once they are painted, they stay there and seemingly also reproduce. Nothing says there needs to be anyone to sustain them.

I meant the world survives for longer. The inhabitants can live their lives for a while.

Where does the soul go when someone in the painting dies?

there are retards here that would let their kid wear a VR helmet until they die

lol

the ending where she is 'unplugged' from the drug of the canvas shows her move on, EXACTLY as her father said she would

they still don't get it

Shows her move on.

It doesn't though.

Verso's soul very clearly states that everything in the painting has a soul.

Where does he say that?

how come posters in autism central are unable to understand nuance

I wonder

Clea explicitly tells Alicia to stop Verso's soul from painting

Did you miss the ending of act 2. The Paintress is gone, the humans die soon after because they were hers, not Verso's creations.

This, fuck the Painters, the word is truth.

It stays in the painting, just look how the Gestrals reincarnate with different memories.

You should stop self-inserting.

some other anon posted the screenshot, clea's mansion

nigger Renoir was the guy that Gommaged everyone after the paintress died

It does, though. You're just too autistic to understand smiles and a happy family, despite the game shoving the illusion people smiling and waving goodbye too in your face

What? Are you retarded? They die because they are killed by Renoir. That is the entire point of the game and the situation. How can you be this stupid?

you should stop having autism, also, that's not what self inserting even means, retard

What I got from this thread is that there are some dumb motherfuckers that didn't understand either ending or the implications that come with them.

It doesn't, though.

That's not how it works, retard.

Verso's soul very clearly states that everything in the painting has a soul.

Verso's soul is only talking about a super special painting created by Aline specifically to be her surrogate daughter.

So he doesn't actually state that EVERYTHING in the painting has a soul.

could of

My painted sister, you desire death so I shall grant it to you, you don't need to say goodbye to your brother, just die already. You're too sad for time to fix, I know this because I project myself onto you.

My other painted sister, you are in a pickle, only death will save you as well.

Please, I beggeth of thee, my dear sister, end my suffering so that I may join my family in death. Help me in the one way that I desire, please!

No, you must live on for my amusement.

The cutscenes are so bad. I started to tune them out. Just fucking reveal something.

calls others austic

self-inserts and replies to his own spam in Anon Babble threads

To get Renoir out of the painting. Which she does. In the Eternal Tower, she tells her word by word to do after whatever she wants and not let the decisions of others, specially their parents, sway her. Play the game.

Wow, will Maelle revive literally every single being that died in that canvas now that she has the ability to do so?

The Paintress is the one and only villain of the story.
Every problem would have been averted if she didn't refuse to leave the Canvas 67 years ago.

You don't understand anon. The ending where the entire family comes to terms with grief and says their final goodbye to Verso, while Alicia also get to say her final goodbyes to her painted friends and everyone seems happy is the bad ending. The black and white, ominous music, uncomfortable looking characters jumpscare ending in whichMaelle has insane painter eyes is the good ending

could of

Amerimexcrement momento, dios mio...

it does. Being autistic is no excusing for lying over stupid stuff, autismo-kun.

this was literally too hard for this retard to understand

Yep, Alicias journey precisely mirrors the same problem too. If they both had the capability to just leave, even for a while, there would be absolutely no problems.

By that logic Renoir is the only villain, every problem would have been averted if he let his wife do whatever she wants and kill herself if she wants to.

ngl, I almost cried watching the expedition during that scene

replies to his own spam

?
So I have to assume that is what you are doing and you're just projecting it on me randomly. Why are you such a nutjob?

Why did Aline create a bunch of people in the painting

One ending is coming to terms with grief and trying to move forward.

The other is living in a delusion, even going out of its way to show that Maelle is dying, and showing Verso is clearly unhappy with the situation. Not even counting how he was begging Maelle to kill him, and set the real Verso's soul free in the cutscene beforehand.

How the fuck some people can think Maelle's ending is an equal or better outcome than Verso's is baffling.

33 december

I haven't played the goyslop, what did they mean by this?

You can screech and insult like a toddler as much as you will, and falseflag like , it will still not mean what you want it to mean just because you spam it.

Aline dying is a problem with a clear solution, just log out of the fucking video game

lol it do be like that though

So she could live with her fake family and mingle with regular people.

fyi the writers-painters war is just an elaborate ploy by the musicians to take over both in their weakened state

Maybe she just wants to fucking die, anon.

Because they ended up liking the painted characters. It's that simple. The Writers (heh) won if the player falls under their spell

No, it was her mother that didn't have any. She didn't either but the painting would have been destroyed because of her mom even if she did.

She needed NPCs to sell the illusion.

I SEEEEEEEEEE YOU

I FEEEEEEEEEL YOU

I FEEEEL YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

keeps spamming the same shit over and over

it's not me! heh

she wanted to settle there, so she created those humans

that's not what falseflag means either

doesn't know what falseflagging is

doesn't know what a headcanon is

doesn't know what projecting is

just parrots these words because he saw them used repeatedly on this board

doesn't understand a very simple and obvious ending

doesn't understand why she's smiling

doesn't understand the in your face meaning of the Expedition crew waving goodbye to her over her family meeting at Verso's grave

when the game was about them not accepting his death

amazing
LOL

I'm just saying. What kind of painter fills their room full of books and owns a typewriter with 0 paintbrushes, pigments or canvases to be found? Maybe Clea was right to bully Alicia.

killing everyone in the painting is the bad end, her choice is the right one.

gets told the obvious by numerous people

is too retarded to understand

copes by saying it's all one person

not autism then, just severe mental retardation

It's revealed in the sequel that Verso actually betrayed the painters and became a musician and didn't actually die.

Kino

They are both wrong. Maelle for being too attached to the world in the painting, and Verso for thinking that destroying the canvas is the solution. Neither of them understand what the real Verso wanted. So to me, it's about whether you care about the people of Lumiere enough to save them and give them the future they fought for. I think they earned it, even if it means Renoir and Aline's family is ruined.

Playable

Maelle, rapiers are cooler than katanas and I'm tired of pretending they're not

NPC

I think anyone who doesn't answer based Esquie is lying

Level

Ancient Sanctuary for the battle theme

Boss

I really, really enjoyed how the final Renoir fight went full unapologetic anime

Why are shills pretending anyone knows who the fuck this is, and that they’re literally who game is as popular as some industry giant like GTA or RE. Even with all remaster shitflinging R4make had like 1/10 the threads of this shitty fotm game despite out selling it tenfold

Why is the internet all bots and shills

Neither of them understand what the real Verso wanted.

He literally wanted to stop fucking painting

Neither of them understand what the real Verso wanted

hey kid you wanna stop painting this thing you spent all game having your NPCs telling us you were tired of painting?

*nods*

One is forcing the cycle of "my way is how you do things" that caused the entire game's situation to begin with, causing a heavily depressed girl to lose the world she spent half her life in and return to the other world right as she gets immersed in a world war as a cripple that can't breathe or speak

The other is giving both her and the world more time to heal their wounds and hopefully find alternatives to the incoming disasters, just like Gustave found a way to create the Lumina converter which is the only reason any progress in the matter was ever made, while also avoiding to kill thousands of people and their legacies, also your party members whom you spent the entirety of the game with actually get the chance to come to terms with their own fates rather than get nuked wordlessly out of existence

Look I can oversimply things too.

nah, he was always a musician so when he figured out their plan, he had to die. then the musicians made it look like the writers did it

Why can't the frogs just write something with a happy ending for once?

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sales

thinks normies buying pop culture slop determines actual impact

maybe alicia didn't wanted to be a painter just like verso, she was more interested in writing.
and maybe that's the reason the writers deceive her and the mansion burned and verso got killed
kino

mentions the painters have painted hundreds and thousands of worlds

but THIS one is the super special one filled with real people

Cool. Didn't read, obviously.
It still isn't, by the way.

Speaking of kino, a new powerful threat is rising to shake the foundations of the world

guy who lies the entire game

surely we can trust him

Didn't ask PajeetGPT.

Writers trapped Alicia by saying they were totally interested in her trash incest sister x brother fanfiction.

..d...didn't r..read...i.t...

lol
not like you could understand it anyways. We've already established you ignore whatever media you're consuming and replace it with shit you made up

painting hundreds of worlds automatically means they all include humans and not just fantastic beasts

Yeah the entire game is a freemason game what about it.

She is actually taking revenge for Gustave in a very dark way.

Alicia is probably a lot more responsible for Verso's death than the game says. It wasn't just writers randomly appeared and lit the house on fire she wanted to be one and let them in

Uh-huh, well, glad we agree that it isn't then.

Macron believes in nothing and says anything that is politically advantageous to him at that moment

the long and short of it is this:
and it's fucking funny Anon Babble has a few autists so out of sorts they are grappling with a simple video game story

fanfiction

they're baguettes

Thought you didn't read it, dumbfuck?
LOL

The world in the painting wouldn't disappear just because a painter isn't in it, it was fine when Verso was alive. The problem would be the potential of Renoir destroying it in the future if it ends up killing Maelle as some act of revenge/grieving.

Do you ever get tired of posting in circles?

Do you ever get tired of being unable to parse human expressions because of your severe autism?

I am choosing to assume at some point you finally understood. Hopefully you did.

why do the characters expressions looks so insane?

I guess you don't, then. Maelle would be proud.

lune feet is more important than clive 2 whining about pianos

I think you do understand the endings because it's not hidden, or vague, or anything, and you are just choosing to act retarded for (you)s. I don't believe even people on Anon Babble can be that retarded.

I guess you don't, then. Chris-chan would be proud.

The one painted by their dead son/brother is worth more to them than the thousands they've shat out themselves

What a hard to understand concept.

no no you're right man, this painting is the super special one with the humans created out of paint that have souls despite the painting itself only having a fragment of its creator
uh uh, yup

I don't believe even people on Anon Babble can be that retarded.

out of paint

They are made out of chroma though. Paint is never used in the game.

there are probably other painted worlds with real people

I don't really give a shit about morality, but the way I judge which ending is "good" is how I think Gustave would act. Personally I think that while he loves Maelle and supports her, he still wants what's best for her and that means forcing her out of the painting. Now whether he still wants it to be burned is a different story. Not sure if they can survive in there without a painter anyways.

That's what painted Verso wants. Real Verso wanted his canvas to be a place where people can paint beautiful things and enjoy themselves, and he explicitly says he loves those creations and would like them to be protected. Lune was completely right when she says painted Verso is thinking in false dichotomies.

Clea goes into the painting

paints a penis on Alicia's head

Alicia cant get rid of it because only Clea can paint over things

spends the rest of her life as a dick unicorn

Are you pretending to be retarded for (you)s or are you a genuine autist who doesn't understand the concept of sentimental value?

The only bad thing about Maelle's ending (aside from her father being bummed) is that she doesn't condemn Verso to an eternity of gestral volleyball

Not sure if they can survive in there without a painter anyways

They can. Otherwise the painting would die whenever Real Verso did something else before he died. Because he didn't spend all his time in the painting.

Anon Veros souls wants to stop painting.

Gustave's entire beef with Sophie is that he is a dreamer while she is a realist.
Gustave would obviously bet on he and Alicia being able to find a way to save the Canvas and eject her safely, not go

Oh well your mom and dad were cunts I guess we all die nothing to do about it.

The canvas would be destroyed no matter how much self control Maelle has.

she could have done something like that
instead she dumps nightmare fuel things in and terrorizes the boy's soul to the point he wants everything to end

cause the problem then present yourself as the solution

are painters jews?

No, Renoir gave up on it. Maelle is just rationalizing that he'll for some reason destroy it regardless.

The final gommage already happened too. Everyone in Lumiére was dead by that point so her recreating everything in her own unique canvas would have the same result but without forcing Verso's soul to keep painting and her killing herself.

Verso never liked painting and wanted to play music

the ending is his soul forever painting and his puppet being made to play music on strings knowing his real life was thrown away to protect the girl now dying to keep him doing it

It's kinda fucked up.

paints burn marks on her face, deletes her eye, fucks up her vocal cords

Gustave wants whats best for Alicia. That's to live in a real and not make-belief world where she LARPs as God. The fact that we actually see her recovering in the Verso ending is proof of this. Like I said the only question is what Gustave would want to do with the painting since I doubt he gives a shit about Verso's soul.

If she (and Aline) had enough self control to leave on their own Renoir wouldn't have to destroy the canvas. He says so himself, he doesn't want to destroy the last piece of Verso. But he has no choice because his family is fucking retarded (except my wife Clea naturally)

Then why hasn't he? He is not enslaved. He can walk away anytime.

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He's tired of his canvas being ruined, used as a battleground for his parents' dispute and being painted over with abominations from his sister's fucked up head. If you listen to his own words he loves the painting and the things in it.

Alicia is a sick egoistical bitch. All she has ever wanted to do is to run away and escape from home. She was also like that as Maelle, all she wanted was to leave Lumiere and all the people she, later on, has no problem using as an excuse to continue running away.
The only person she is shown to ever care about is Gustave, the one who actually represents Verso for Maelle (Its no coincidence that they are so similar to each other)
At no point as Alicia is she ever worried about her mom or her dad and the fact that the are dying in the painting.
Clea also said that while she and Verso were having adventures and fun in the canvas, she decided to stay in her room reading.
She took vengance for Gustave against Verso by instantly deleting copy Alicia.
Like Verso says at the end, she is a hypocrite in every sense of the word. She uses whatever is at hand as an excuse to justify her own feelings and lack of self control. She only cares about herself.
Im very positive that her mother is correct in hating her. She definetly betrayed her family for the writers like a stupid little shit, and the writers used her to access the manor and start the fire.
She thought she was escaping her family for something better and she caused her brothers dead. And what does she do next? She keeps escaping thinking the next thing is finally going to be better.

do you wanna stop painting

nods

I didn't get that impression. He wanted to destroy it because his wife refused to leave and - to prove him right - immediately went back in after getting kicked out, even though the canvas was hidden.

and Aline

Don't but that in brackets like it's some minor change to my statement, you wr*ter.

Nah.
Gustave would not think like that at all, the "we are not real" narrative is purely Anon Babble schizo nonsense.
They would fight for the world, and the best for Alicia is to WORK through her trauma. Not be forced to move on when she is not ready by external forces.
You know, like how trauma and moving on actually works. Her mom might have had 67 years of in-canvas shit to piss herself into a state of therapy, but she sure hasn't.
Piling an entire extra world and life onto her depression over loss won't exactly help her.

Gustave doesn't even know who Alicia is. He would definitely want Maelle to not hurt herself by destroying her life outside the painting, but he would never support detroying the canvas.

So why did he still want to destroy the painting in the end after the parents stopped fighting and left

Clea was in charge of painting the Nevrons and all the fucked up hand monsters

Would love to see how a painting of hers would look like

Clea is right about everything so Alicia deserves to be bullied

Maelle wins the fight instead

He decides to continue painting

Wow it's like swaying the vulnerable child sways him

You fight her paintings the whole game anon

femdom porn

True, they could just have let the canvas be and occasionally visit in between cracking writer skulls if the mother wasn't being unreasonable.

because maelle lied and she wanted to stay even at the cost of her own life. It was a matter of time, so he wanted to end it all.

Because he has no concept of whether they aren't just going to come back later, obviously?
He's not ben in your party, he has no idea of what you have been up to or what decisions they have made. He just knows it's war.

nigger he doesn't have a choice

You fight what is essentially doodles on Verso's canvas.
Her painted world would probably look nightmareish and fucked up

[Citation needed]

P looks like my hot female cousin

it's his painting he knows what's going on inside of it and he knows Maelle is retarded enough to kill herself in the painting so he wants her out

?
He has a choice five seconds beforehand even though Alicia is in the painting but doesn't later when... Alicia is in the painting?

33 developers. Probably.

The nevrons were most likely just a rush job. It didn't matter what they looked like. She seems to like gold a lot from the paint on her shirt, Simon's swords, and what she did to painted Clea

Gustave would think like that. You are thinking from the perspective of a simp and not a father figure who wants what's best for his daughter.

Yeah I think Gustave would be the middle option. Save Alicia-Maelle but keep the painting intact. Not sure how he would do that since Renoire can just burn it down whenever though.

the crazy bitch tried to cut his hand off with her sword when he wanted to stop painting

Bitch he barely seems aware of his surroundings and can't even hold a conversation without stroking out and going silent.

She specifically created Lampmaster to fuck with Verso's soul for funsies. Her painted world would be Bloodborne

Women are more touchy feely on average. I heard.

Do you really think that's what happened in that scene, anon?

Verso is allowed to go in the area where Versos soul resides for a reason, he's the one that can help him stop painting. The soul can't just decide to stop. Why else would Verso have the power to go in there and not get Gommaged?

so how does he know his parents are waging war

Grab my hand, lemme help you stop painting Verso

thank you

AIIIIEEEEEEE NOOOO MY FANTASY WORLD HEROIN *slashes sword*

Everyone keeps using act 3 maelle/alicia names interchangeably, but honestly to me it feels like maelle is dead. She got gommaged with the rest of the town and the person who comes back says she’s both now, but I think she’s coping. Alicia is much more selfish than maelle was. Maelle is dead. Her memories remain in Alicia, but Alicia does not feel like Maelle.

Clea SEX

A fake that is indistinguishable from the original is more valuable than the real thing.

The answer is drama, anon.
Why does he not get gommaged but Alicia can kill him even though he is immortal WITHOUT gommaging him like she did to the other immortals?
Because drama. Him having the magical power of releasing the soul splinter would be retarded because he was made by Aline, not by Verso.
Nothing in the final confrontation makes any logical sense, it's just there because.

Uh uh convenient

Yes nigger, convenient. It's literally what everything in the last fight is. Why the fuck are they just visiting the splinter soul NOW?
Why didn't Renoir go to it directly?
Why wasn't Aline hanging out with it instead of wandering around like an alzheimer patient making painted versions of her son with gigantic horse cocks?
Because drama.

Fuck off, Kaiki

It ads a hint of the greater picture, ads a reason for why fucking around in canvases for all time might be a bad thing and fleshes out the world.

sounds like a lot of cope to me

Gigantic exploisons throwing half the world apart and enormous roaming monsters eating the landscapes while your mom makes a kaiju version of herself to tell her husband to fuck off are a bit easier to tell apart than a single 20 seconds conversation between two individuals in a space you weren't at.

You're wasting words on him anon, retards will actively disunderstand

She has all the memories and experiences of both, and she decides that having her name as Maelle is more fitting, since Alicia doesn't really belong in that world. Even Verso agrees with that.

the line about the fake Renoir 'not being a generous depiction of the real man' shows that they're just illusions

That makes no sense.

Anyone who claims it's still Maelle in Act 3 are just coping Alicia shitposters. It's literally spelled out in your face that Alicia is coping when Verso/Renoire call her Alicia and she sperges out going

NO IM MAELLE IN HERE LET ME RP REEEEEEE

Ah yes,

Verso has an unexplained power of releasing the Canvas because he just does and I say so

totally not a cope.

He has the canvas in front of him. He knows what's going on in the world, he knows what Maelle is fighting and what she is doing, he knows his parents are gone. He knows the world. Stop coping fag

It isn't unexplained tho. Stop coping

Shows in every conversation to have no idea of what is going on or why

Generally confused of what time has even passed or in which reality he is in

Only has a moment of clarity during one dialogue asking you to STOP Renoir

He knows the minutia and nuance of what is going on bro

Uh huh

mother goes right back in

refuses to leave

You're right back at the beginning of the issue, anon.

hide it

Didn't work. They already did that and she went right back in.

Explain, then. Show proof, by the way. Not your interpretations.

those aren't the same as the canvas version of him

You don't have any rights to delete them fuck you

[Citation needed]

Even Verso agrees with that.

"I think I prefer Maelle, but you're not really Maelle."

his reaction when she insist she's still the (real) Maelle

I know, subtext is for cowards but this is a French game so you have to deal with it.

fav char?

Verso, but I’m not sold on him genociding everyone

fav npc

Definitely esquie

fav level

I dunno. I like the over world quite a lot.

fav boss

Painted Clea for sure. Such a satisfying battle if you play it as intended, getting perfect parry strings to stop her from healing, coping with new and difficult attack strings in the middle of the fight throwing you off and setting you back. Awesome.

he doesn't even know where some of the nevrons came from

Literally who

He says it himself when Alicia asks how he can enter that area. Play the game faggot

I doubt he ever saw her as Maelle desu. When talking to Monocco it's clear he's thinking of her as (amnesiac) Alicia.

Those are not the same as the real souls painting. How often does the game have to say that copies aren't the same as the original for you faggots to get it through your head. The real souls is painting the canvas, if it stops everything dies

literally states he is able to be in there because his mom made him immortal, no other reason

NO YOU SEE HE IS SUPER SPECIAL CANVAS FREEDOM PERSON

Why do you want to falseflag easily verifiable information? Congrats, you have been proven wrong. Was it as good as you expected it to be?

It was as happy as the setting could have possibly allowed for
The world (ours or theirs or the painting, doesn't matter) is shit

The people of Lumiere deserve their future more than the fucked up family of painters (including Alicia). Even if it's finite, I say let them enjoy having back everything that got stolen from them because of a couple of painters playing god.
Sorry Verso, you will just have to be content with playing the piano and fucking Lune every night until her frustration is cleared and her insomnia isn't keeping her up.

they are not the same because I say so

also because something else entirely unrelated

Just say it's what you like to think, retard.

They won't get any future you fucking retard, after Maelle dies Renoir is destroying the painting.

How do you know they don’t have souls? There is no discussion in the game about whether the people of luminaire have souls or not. You can’t say they don’t just to fit your argument, there is no info one way or the other on the topic.

You video game characters aren’t having children and falling in love while you’re not playing. Luminairains are people, not game npcs (as far as the story goes).

They will get at the very least as long as she stays alive, and more if they find a new way out of the situation, which having Gustave back is not out of the question as he is a smart cookie.
This is not debatable.
A glimmer of hope that everyone survives > Give up instantly because you are afraid things may go wrong.

So it is explained why he could survive there? Thanks for admitting you are wrong

Kek, goalpost moving cunt. Enjoy your dark corner.

No he's seeing his painted sister Alicia in her, but that's it. He has more of a connection to Maelle than to the real-world Alicia.

Do we even see Maelle die in her end? I think there is no chance that Renoir will allow it, he will probably get in with Clea and force her out.
On the other topic, they have no chance for more than 2 generation.

At the very least they would have like a generation of life while Maelle is there. After Alicia dies then anything could happen, either Renoir destroys Verso's canvas out of grief, or it just gets forgotten somewhere. Nothing lasts forever.

I'd say they have plenty of chance. Again, Gustave managed to make a machine that allows painted creations to fight Painters on even ground. I'd say there is a lot of room of possibilities for them to be able to do something while working towards Maelle's mental health stabilizing.
Specially since her family can always visit her to speed the process along.
Everything going to shit in Maelle's ending essentially relies on nobody doing anything at any point and just waiting several decades or even hundreds of years of painting time just shrugging out an impending doom.
Doesn't sound like what they'd do.
I think the implication is more that Alicia will try to save the painting or go down with it, not just that she will let things be and suicide without trying anything. Because it would just be weird at that point.

I don't think Clea cares, and Renoir is powerless against Maelle.

Sounds like a lot of wishful cope. Also the Gustav who comes back wouldn't be the same. Alicia would make him more palatable in her image.

Oh you are back. Unfortunate.

It kind of doesn't make sense for the painted people to be the same level of consciousness as the painters. They should be some kind of simple imitations like the people in your dreams that feel very real but are obviously not, your brain is not simulating their whole thought process it just makes convincing illusion.

If one year inside the painting is the same as hour outside does that mean that the people in the painting process information much faster than the ones in the real world? This means you can create computer in the painting and solve problem that takes years to solve IRL for just few hours.

I think Clea will wait for the last moment and then enter, rectangle Maelle's ass and get her our

It's still shown to be that way. They are pretty much indistinguishable from normal living beings.
That's probably due to whatever chroma is, and since we have no idea what it is or how it works or where it comes from, everything else is basically just nonsense stemming from speculation.

Any other rpg or jrpgs that have similar tones or feeling of dread or hopelessness?

Nothing suggests alicia is controlling verso like a puppet. Only an autist who doesn’t understand human emotion would think like this. Pain and resignation is written on his face as he watches his sister slowly kill herself while there’s nothing he can do, stuck in a life he doesn’t want.