How would you fix Fallout 3 and New Vegas's perk/skill/attribute system?

New Vegas' system got demolished by Lonesome Road

How?

So was New Vegas or Fallout 3 speech system better?

New Vegas already fixed the issues 3 had by adding meaningful perks and cutting out the worthless +5 to skill type perks.

remove the dumpstats that shouldnt be their own catagory

Big guns

Should just be integrated into guns

Barter

Should be part of speech

Medicine

Should be part of science

keep survival, that actually brought in some usefull shit into the game

smaller nitpick, but crafting new chems/healing items shouldnt be tied to science but Medicine

I find it already superior to both older games and newer ones

why

guns have skill requirement, your aim, damage and recoil are affected, some of the mods tweak it further(can't sprint with sniper rifle if your strength is not 6) instead of just

gun GUNS harder

Fallout 1/2 actually did it pretty well with the fact that reading books advances time by several hours

I don't like the 0-100 system for the skills, each skill should have maybe 10 'tiers' to it with each increase being more meaningful. Force the player to really invest in their chosen skills and build, rather than being able to max out your tag skills by level 10.

unironically remove them. they are CRPG holdovers that do not belong in an action game

3 by a mile. new vegas having both threshholds and visible checks is legitimately one of the worst designed systems I've seen. there's zero risk or though involved, just click on passed checks for free benefits

Then they'll only be like 11 skills. I think we should be going the other direction like with F1 and 2. Just the difference being actually making them useful. F1 and 2 had a the perfect system the only problem was that a lot of skills didn't do anything.

Eat shit moron, skills are in 4 tiers
0-25 dumbass (you) are here
26-50 average
51-75 competent
76-100 expert

There's more nuance, but you shambling shit huffing little retarded cum receptacles can't manage to string together a coherent thought without shitting yourselves from having your minds overloaded.
You two can join the above anon in tier 1. I'll let you three know when you're all ready for tier 2.

Nah you're wrong

NTA but I think he wants a system with diminishing returns like 1 and 2. what you're describing, the increase from dumbass to average is the same level of investment as competent to expert

Meh
More fun than whatever they did in fo4/rimjob

0-25 dumbass (you) are here

26-50 average

51-75 competent

76-100 expert

This right here is literally the exact problem, each skill might as well only go up to 4.

lol are you serious

F3

NPC: Your a retard and cant pass

reload reload reload

ok you can pass

NV

Your a retard and cant pass, should have specced your character better fag

you control the buttons you press. try not cheating and you'll have a more enjoyable experience

Which is more than enough, perks shouldn't have ranks, skills should go to 100 along with granting passives for reaching those 4 increments.

But all skills should get more representation in how players interact with the world. Lockpicking should get combined with sneak however, while melee and explosives should be allowed to break and blast things open

try not creating a system that can be easily exploited :^)

hard limit on skill points available

no implants, gifted or any of that nonsense - S.P.E.C.I.A.L points are hard locked and dictate your strengths and weaknesses for the rest of the game

skill system is mostly fine you just need to spend a bit of time slowly tinkering with them along with decently big QA team

And stay back at very low levels mostly.

a save/load system is inherently exploitable. most people don't play games as time travelers because it's not very fun. this is a problem with you, not the system

both options lead to different outcome of the same situation that progresses in a different wa

every time i sit down to write or design a fallout quest for funsies, i end up going down a rabbit hole with this. its so fun but also gets so out of control real fast

I think it lowered the level cap and made the DLC weapons hidden loot among other things, it probably does fix the unbalance.

I wouldn't. They actually work well unlike Fallout 1 and 2

Reduce perk points so that you actually have to choose what perks you want instead of being able to grab everything vaguely related to your archetype
Also introduce skill caps so that you can't max rush your main skill in like 10 levels

Thing about reducing the amount of perks you get means they have to be far more significant than what they currently are.
All you accomplish is narrowing what people end up using.

Can you beat FNV without Super Slam or And Stay Back?

You forget that some of the perks are fun flavor perks that barely affect gameplay, like Terrifying Presence. Nobody will experience those if the perk abundance doesn't allow players to deviate from what they'd consider no-brainer choices that directly upgrade damage.

it's overpowered in both, it would make more sense if in most cases speech checks also required you to have gathered relevant information beforehand

Bump

What are you seething about?

its so fun but also gets so out of control real fast

oh absolutely

farmer needs help poster

route A: decide to do the quest

hey farmer you need help?

yes raiders took my daughter

it's probably those guys but i don't really know

find tracks which lead you to their cave

bust in and shoot everyone, sneak and stealth kill em or talk to the guard

talk to the leader and quit pro quo, shoot him or buy her freedom

route B: ignore the poster

weeks later find note on a raider about a captive in their cave

nobody came for her so they turned her into slave

made the slaves fight for fun

she keeps killing her opponents

she became a problem and they don't know what to do with her

raped her to break her but it didn't work

boss doesn't want to kill her for some reason

route C: don't follow up on the note either

weeks later

raider gang wanted poster

track down the gang

outside the cave a huge pile of charred organic mass that used to be human

inside the raiders are in the process of executing the former leaders

the farmers daughter ripped the old leaders' throat with her teeth and took over

route D: ignore the wanted poster

weeks later

raider presence increased

are threatening traders and caravans as well

literally ambushing the player f3 talon company/regulators style

decide to track down their base

farmers daughter not only took over that raider gang but rival gangs as well and is now running several compounds like a business

i don't think any studio would build a quest like that.

Maybe you have to be at a certain speech level for a charisma random dice roll? Just because you have the words doesn't mean you have the proper charm to back them up

That story kind of went off the rails after you brought up corrective rape.

raiders are basically savages united by a common goal of hedonism. whoever can control them rules them until he gets got and the whole gang falls into chaos or someone else takes over.

New Vegas is (mostly) fine, but the biggest issues with FO3’s system is that it’s boring, especially in the early game. I don’t really care that you can become overpowered; enemy scaling is fucking retarded with Broken Steel installed anyway. I just don’t find the choice between “additional stats” or rare dialogue checks to be very interesting, and that’s most levels. It’s better to pump SPECIAL, I think. But that’s not very interesting either.

Make it percentage based again like in the original Fallouts (goes all the way up to 300%).

Make is so you can casually gain points as you use certain skills (very slowly, like 1% per 500 hits with a baseball bat for example).

Bring back the little mini challenges from NV.

They act as little exp boosts (5-10% per challenge completed for certain skills associated with that challenge.

Challenges are grouped into themes and if you complete a group of challenges you can unlock perks.

Level up skill points confer 5% per skill point into a skill like Fallout 1 and 2.

Each weapon in the game will also have their own little sub masteries (0-100%).

Mastering a weapon improves handling, reloading and attack speed.

Also unlocks special moves when certain skill thresholds are met (Weapon Skill 200% + Weapon Mastery 75% for example).

HEY FAGGOTS WHATS THE BEST MODLIST? IS IT BEGIN AGAIN? WILD CARD???