Thanks for breaking street dates, Amazon/third worlders. You forced them to do this

Don't care about PCs, since I don't feel like learning to use linux, and windows went to shit years ago

Dunuvo

Switch 2 NSO shit

Every other trend that exists now, but not 15 years ago

Dude, I thing I'm dont with games made from this point onward

and marvelous and limited run, too

Forced who to do what?

I thing I'm dont with

ESL

limited run

That's kind of their gimmick.

Marvelous

That one is surprising, maybe they're banking on being one of the only games actually being on a cartridge to boost sales and it's a calculated risk. It's very obvious that most games will use the key cards though because the 64GB cartridges cost too much, only a handful of games ever used a 32GB cartridge on the Switch 1. One of those being Witcher 3 so CDPR is being consistent.

Nintendo 64: cartridges suck as a medium and are too expensive

almost 30 years later cartridges still suck as a medium and are too expensive

I genuinely don't know why they didn't just go for Switch 1 cartridge tech with PSP style mandatory installs if read speeds were an issue. I know it seems like a bother to the customer but at least then the game is on the fucking cartridge.

Because victims need to be punished for being victims.

They'd need more than 256gb of internal storage if they wanted every game to be installed onto the system. They could have done it but the Switch 2 costs $338 to manufacture and they might not make $100~ on every unit sold(outside of Japan where they lose $8) if they had a decent amount of storage space on it.

can't contextually discern that the intended word was "done"

A typo doesn't negate the face that gaming has left me and I'm sure many others behind in pursuit of flakey zoomers, troons, and robot like consoomers

It was a "problem" on PSP too. Honestly, how many games do you need on your system at once?

It was a "problem" on PSP too

It wasn't as pronounced though, the newest Call of Duty is 300gb. File sizes have gotten full on retarded, FF7 Rebirth was 150gb on console.

Nintendo Switch doesn't use ROM cartridges. They use Flash memory, which tends to lose data if left unplugged for too long, unlike proper cartridges from the 90s and before. It fucking sucks.

thats stupid, the alternative to not installing your games from the card is downloading them? nintendo is pushing hard for digital, thats the only reason we are on this situation

Ive got a 2 tb sdcard that wasnt even that expensive, what's the problem?

Nintendo is offering traditional cartridges, it's just that no one is going to use them because of the price difference. It's a funny situation because it's going to make Nintendo's games feel more premium and people will suck them off more since you plug them in and they just werk.

You cannot fully blame them when like every major Switch game has been uploaded online like a week prior to release and then running on emulators within hours of the leak. I can recall Tears of The Kingdom, Xenoblade 3, Xenoblade X DE, Unicorn Overlord and I am sure there is many more.

Blame everyone but Nintendo. Curious.

64GB are too big for most switch games, not too small.
And the issue is that nintendo asks for $16 per unit for the 64GB carts, which is extremely expensive comparatively.
They're effectively strongarming the third party devs into putting out these key carts.

write-once flash memory is generally not prone to electron leaking

Isn't the issue with only 64GB carts being available because the supplier didn't want to provide smaller capacity carts anymore?

Nintendo is just following the standards both Microsoft and Sony have set aka your physical disc is fucking useless and the game will still need to download 50-60 GBs of data when you pop it into the console.
Physical is dead.

it's both. supplier makes only 64 gb carts and it's too fucking expensive

Nintendo did nothing wrong! It's everyone else's fault!

Sure sure.
In the end it doesn't matter whose fault it is. It's a shitty situation for third party devs. Hopefully the smaller sizes will come back at some point.

Essentially
It’ll probably happen with higher production, they’ll probably get 32gb ones within the year

The negative impact of that system is a bit greater on a handheld where the console isn't always tethered to a single spot. I'm fairly certain that the rumored PS and Xbox handhelds will be digital only like the Deck though, unless they rip off the Game Key Cart idea from Nintendo. There's no chance they use actual cartridges, those are more or less dead now.

it's not that they're too small it's that they are too big(aka too expensive) for smaller games.

The hypothetical smaller sized carts were probably more expensive if the production pipelines aren't fully up to the task
Nintendo is still doing full fledged physicals, it's only third-parties deciding if they want to go the route of key cards
But people online are being extremely autistic over physicals and muh preservation just to merely virtue-signal.

Lick those boots anon

The hypothetical smaller sized carts were probably more expensive if the production pipelines aren't fully up to the task

More expensive for Nintendo but less expensive for publishers. Not catering to publishers is what caused the exodus to Playstation 1 back in the day, but Nintendo gave the publishers the Game Key Carts as a peace offering this time so that doesn't happen again. The choices really were the Key Carts or digital only, but it's obvious that the Key Carts are there to ween people off physical and to get used to downloading their games for the next generation.

The way to look at it would be that once Sony and Microsoft go digital only next gen, third party publishers aren't going to want to pay extra to release on a Nintendo system. These license keys on a disc/cartridge right now are a stop gap until we get forcibly dragged into the all digital age.

This thread gets the "Anon Babble sucks nintendo corpo cock again!" award.

that's nintentodlers for you

buy game

download

sell later if i want it

i don't appreciate the extra download time because lol nintendo servers but i don't get the doomsday response
what's the actual issue?

nintendo asks for $16 per unit

where did you get that price?

Butthurt much?

cutiepie explains the beans
youtube.com/watch?v=1bWQcwhluGk

Americans are corporated cocksuckers.
Nintendo fans made N64, WiiU, Virtual Boy and Gamecube fail.

Dunno, the Nintendo 64 had quite good public support for what it was. The others were indeed colossal failures, tho.

Nintendo fans kept N64 and Gamecube alive
64 was objectively a shitty console

Other consoles have been doing this, like putting in a disc and then downloading the rest of the game. But nintendo users expect the game on cartridge if they're buying physical. And being a portable device that isn't always connected online plays a factor. Imagine going to gamestop with your switch, buying a game, popping it in and finding out you can't actually play it since you need to download it. Even games that had day 1 patches, you could still play them without internet.

How can CD Project Red and Marvelous can afford the carts but not bog name punlishers like Capcom, Square-Enix or Konami

can't wait til this console is blown wide open and piracy is as easy as running some bullshit hardware exploit. nintendo doesn't deserve shit

Because they're cheap asses and they're gonna learn that people care about that stuff when these game key cards stay on the shelves with low sales.

CDPR decided it's reputationally better to have lower profit margins. Sega decided they'd rather not. That simple.

good morning saars

Consolekeks are tech illiterate.

the real reason i will not be supporting the Switch 2. nitnendo being the one to stop supporting physical games is a sad day in gaming

Ive got a 2 tb sdcard that wasnt even that expensive, what's the problem?

Switch 2 expects higher read speeds than what's allowed by older SD cards which is why it only works with Express type SD cards. You can assume that cartridge read speeds would also have to match which means it's newer tech in them too.

Limited Run wouldn't use real cartridges even if they were affordable, those niggas write to CD-Rs and can't even be bothered to get fresh bootlegs for Shantae cartridges.

Lol no-one actually cares about this. They care about getting to play the games they want to play.

ewwww switch 2 cases are hideous

Literally all of their games have physical editions...

God he won so hard

Imagine going to gamestop with your switch, buying a game, popping it in and finding out you can't actually play it since you need to download it

like most sane people, i wouldn't be out with my console on the goddamn store in the 1st place
disregarding that, yeah there's the incovenience of a required internet connection in order to get the game which it fucking sucks, i agree. i like that it's treated like a cart, meaning i can resell it and whatnot, but yeah. if it's physical, it should fucking be there

They already said all of their are numbered titles will be physical, just gonna have to wait to see if they stick to their word.

download required written extremely clearly on the box

Imagine being illiterate

That single 64gb card is probably around 15 to 20$ to buy from nintendo, so if you put a 40€ game like the bravely default one, then you literally have negative profits because the vidya store is probably buying it at 25€ tops, add the middlemen and other costs and the accounting doesn't add up.

they can afford them, they dont want to pay it lol.

Limited Run lies fucking constantly so I wouldn't take them at face value.

use gamekey

it’s still downloaded in someone else’s acct

refuses to allow download despite key

game over, 600$ pissed out your ass

it’s still downloaded in someone else’s acct

retard

I wonder why people even care about this.
It's almost like you are weaponized retards for a billion dollar company and you do it for free.

Nintendo was still synonymous with video games as a whole back then, the N64 didn't completely flop because it was coasting off the success of the NES and SNES. It's still insane to think that it got outsold by the Sega Saturn in Japan though.

it’s still downloaded in someone else’s acct

I'm not sure you understand how it's supposed to work.

Sony is terrified of the Switch 2 to the point of surveying their users so they're spreading FUD all over the web.

so all physical switch games are key cards? or is this an optional choice for game companies for an extra layer of protection like denuvo? honestly, why even bother with physical if they're all going to be like this? may as well just stick to digital only and cut the price back down to $50-$60. No way a handheld port of a game or a handheld game in general is worth any more than that.

game key card blocks you path

all of the third party's are.

64 came out 1.5 years behind Saturn and PS1.
That's a huge amount of time and you're right, there was a lot of good will towards Nintendo systems and Nintendo games but by that point PS1 was running circles around it due to CD medium and being easier to develop for. Nintendo's own software support was somewhat anemic. Ocarina of Time didn't come out until 1998 and the rest was mostly carried by fucking Rare. What a blunder.

Most, but not all.

it's fucking stupid. also the fact that the first switch had this thing where if someone made their account the main account, they would have to deactivate it as the main account. so if you bought a switch used and the guy you bought it from didn't properly deactivate it, then you're basically fucked. the greed of the company just makes things worse for the consumer.

want to play game on my switcharoo
insert key card
delete last game to save up space because now you have to use your own storage which is another hidden cost
use up internet at full speed
download complete 3 hours later
ready to play game
i changed my mind i'd rather play another game
Anon Babble is laughing at me while they enjoy the new blockbuster i will never be able to play

HAHAHAHHAH PIRATE FAGGOTS GET FUCKED

if handball 17 can get cracked, then not even nintendo is safe

you're not a victim, faggot

this behavior is exclusive to nintards
they also thought nintendo shitting out a simple "new look" teaser and making everyone wait 2 months to get the actual news was due to the hecckin evil leakers!

limited run

Oh nonono, the Raidou CE they are selling for the Switch 2 comes with a game key, not a full cart.

do you think that greentexting automatically happens based on post format?

3 hours

Anon what?
Also, this is now the case for literally everything
Switch 2 will be the only console where you have the ability to not do this

because the vidya store is probably buying it at 25€ tops

I just imagined Nintendo walking into a Gamestop with a cart full of freshly produced games and the Gamestop employee offering them store credit for the batch

Anon what?

not all places have access to fast internet. that's a reasonable ammount of time for a 30GB game considering for that time your internet will not be usable by anyone else in the house.

Also, this is now the case for literally everything

not if you have the game on the disc

Switch 2 will be the only console where you have the ability to not do this

they do not have the games on the card

All the platformer holders take a 30% cut too. So it's $15-$20 on top of the 30% Nintendo already takes. It's financial suicide for smaller and cheaper games to release on those. I've got a schizo theory that the entire reason Nintendo increased the price of games to $80 is because the cartridges are so expensive.

Nice that after waving the muh preservation flag for years, tendies are finally admit they don't actually care.

nitendo bros, this is what owning your games looks like

Offline play Yes (*)

Download required No*

doesitplay.org/game/Clair Obscur: Expedition 33/ps5/Base PS5?region=ESRB&version=Standard

why faggots always assume any decision is becuase of culture and not because companies/people are fucking greedy?

You forced them to do this.

that makes no sense since Nintendo's first party games will be on the card as far as I understand it. So the next Zelda can still break street date. it only applies to third parties. and piracy can still happen once the Switch 2 gets hacked. so this is just nintendo being cheap. it has nothing to do with piracy.

Are you actually retarded?
Some games are the keys
All systems now have to install the game off the disc, no exceptions, they can’t run on the spinning disc
And yes, Nintendo is the only console that has games that run directly off it
Also majority of places can do 30gb in under an hour

It is a confluence of factors. If I'm looking at spreadsheet of retail costs from a business point of view. The expensive storage medium on my product is on is a factor I'm considering. If games leaking was the primary factor for this change why are all first party nintendo games all on card? They were the primary target of leaks.

There have been some motions to make the first sale doctrine apply to digital goods. I would not count on that happening stateside even if Europe approves it. As it stands you can still buy, resell, trade these key cards. Physical media has been straying in the field of physical based drm keys for a long time. You still had to install the game and download updates. after installing the game it effectively becomes a drm check anyways.

Are you actually retarded?

All systems now have to install the game off the disc, no exceptions, they can’t run on the spinning disc

my brother you can't call me retarded and say something completely asinine. yes i have to install the game. that's ON THE DISC I OWN. WITHOUT USING THE INTERNET FOR HOURS.

When you look at the boot process of these games the first thing the game does it a firmware and security check. It will throw a error when it fails the security check and in this case the security check is the card being inserted.

It's still insane to think that it got outsold by the Sega Saturn in Japan though.

Lack of CD audio right at the time where having CD audio enabled stuff like Panzer Dragoon Saga and Metal Gear Solid on the PS1 hurt them a lot.
Also, spending a ton on development for a cutting edge console that no one, not even themselves, really truly understood how to develop games for.

online goes down

can't play anything, even on disc

great...

The alternative would be blaming Nintendo

>Offline play Yes (*)

>can't play anything, even on disc

tendie pls.

tell me what happened with the last ps outage? could you play your games offline then? the wave of ps players bitching about it say otherwise.

It's an economies of scale gamble retard
Having to offer multiple size skus of those cards keeps prices higher because the spread is so wide. 64 was the best size Nintendo thought that the majority of games on Switch 2 will need this gen. If they force everyone to use 64 for true physical, it keeps prices lower (in theory)

The gamble in the beginning is right now 3rd Parties don't have the benefits of others to rely on since they're first out the door on the system and will do anything to cut costs cuz of pussy investors except the few exceptions of companies with a spine

for the record an average off the disc installation of a ~90 GB PS5 game is 1 hour and 20 minutes

could you play your games offline then?

yes?

the wave of ps players bitching about it say otherwise.

their games were online?

Only turbo jews will use this method. Snoytrannies will blame Nintendo though, not jew devs.

Piratefags just have to wait like everyone else before they get to pirate

This is just going to fuck over physical and collectorfags in the long run isn't it?

download complete 3 hours later

Download speeds were actually hard kneecaped on the first Switch, whereas the new proc + microSD Express on the Switch 2 should make the downloads far much faster. Like I'm expecting 15 minutes to download Yakuza Zero Director's Cut

nope, can't do that without changing a license setting that can only be changed while online.

excuse my retardation, i had it wrong.

anon, you can play a ps5 completely offline. you never have to connect it to the internet, you can install games off the disc in a lot of cases just like you would on pc back in the day. even if you have a digital copy, as long as it's downloaded then you can play it offline.

normalfags on social media were bitching because they couldn't play online games.

despite most of the launch games on keycards are less then 64 GB.

then why are you still here?

GTA VI is 300 GB and will likely require a four hour install.

Several publishers aren't keen on paying the costs for a mass scale 64GB cartridge production for their 8GB - 16GB games, doesn't matter if big publishers like Capcom won't simply because they don't want to (see it as unneeded expense), or small publishers consider an actual net loss to have a physical version of their low budget game on a 64GB cartridge.

This happened to me after a hurricane. Internet was down because the towers got destroyed. I got locked out of my digital Switch library because they couldn’t touch base with the servers.

remember when limited run released Among Us with only a digital copy of the game?

perhaps im a dumb dumb but I dont see how it should be that expensive. Like a 64GB sd card isn't that much for then an 8GB card. Is the Switch cart storage that different to SD cards that is cost that much more to manufacture?

Switch 2 doesn't use the old SD cards, it uses Express cards, so it's probably designed for higher read speeds which means more expensive media.

good?
I have a 1tb PS5 and the installation from the disc will go smoothly. thank you sony for not jewing me.

Nintendo puts out in very clear terms what the gamekey is and how it works

Retards still think that somehow it's tied to accounts and other crazy shit

So they're cheap asses

Imagine people legitimately shilling for LRG in the current year when every release they do has some kind of shitstorm behind it

I miss living next to a store that would break street date on every single release. Wouldn't advertise it by putting them on the shelves, but if you went to the counter and asked for the game they'd sell you if if they'd received the stock (and charge you £10 more for the privilege). That was like half their business model; the other half was walking a few doors down to the local Game and buying out the entire stock of any Limited Edition release likely to be in demand and then putting them straight on their own shelves for double the price.

And the issue is that nintendo asks for $16 per unit for the 64GB cart

going to need a source on that one, this is so out of the ordinary for large scale manufacturing of anything

delete last game to save up space because now you have to use your own storage which is another hidden cost

This has been the case for both the Xbox and Playstation with games wanting to take 200 gigs and even having a 1 or 2 TB drive still not enough at times with how bloated game sizes are if you play a few AAA titles.

Yes, apparently switch 2 game cards are more like little NVME drives, which helps explain the obscene pricing they have

We are literally on the downswing of them releasing Shantae cartridges that can brick DS Lite systems too! These guys sell faulty products! It's fucking astonishing anybody would go to bat for them

Wait, their cartridges brick DS lites? How does that work, do they have a power draw the DS can't handle?

We are literally on the downswing of them releasing Shantae cartridges that can brick DS Lite systems too!

fucking hell

The proprietary Switch 1 and 2 cartridges are completely different than a SD card in terms of memory, and the Switch 2 cartridges are beyond the Switch 1 cartridges as Nintendo now is making clear the console needs Express SD cards to store digital games.

Proprietary tech is always more costly to mass produce, it isn't a random DVD or Blu-Ray their respectful owners allows everyone to produce decades since their creation, bringing the production costs to pennies.

Retards still think

they're doing it on purpose to fearmonger

This has been the case for both the Xbox and Playstation with games wanting to take 200 gigs

most games are around 100 GBs and less. 1 tb can allow you to comfortably have a nice rotation of games. don't be a stubborn bitch, the same is not possible on the Switch 2. it could have been if nitendo forced publishers to publish their games on the card. Sony should also force publishers like MS to put their games on the disc unlike what they did for Doom and Indiana jones.

Some kind of power draw issue from them using shitty, old, and already-used parts. Voltage too high.

80$ for a thin gray case with no manual and no game

Bankruptendo

buy what you think is a brand-new game

turns out it its some jizz crusted pre-owned circuitboard that can fry your now hard-to-replace hardware

how does one company fuck up every time and still somehow survive

it could have been if nitendo forced publishers to publish their games on the card. Sony should also force publishers like MS to put their games on the disc unlike what they did for Doom and Indiana jones.

that's one way to piss off your partners and sabotage your third party lineup, especially when shit like capcom has had most of their sales in digital last year

People are claiming it's from the Arc systems leak. Same with the 64 gig carts. I'm too lazy to look through the leak myself.

pirates are victims

Anon Babble? Are you feeling okay?

Do you want to tell us what exactly they're victims of?

the cases are horrendous full of text and a massive logo, wtf

fuck, i bought one of these... Is it safe on gamecube gameboy player?

when the victim is a multibillion dollar company that lobbies laws to be changed so they can make more money I dont care about the victim. Its like using Hitler for suicide awareness

I have to agree with this.
Before they had 2GB, 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB cards and nobody bought the 64GB cards. Now every game needs to waste space for 64GB? Ridiculous.

So they're pretending to be retarded? got it

Varied reports about whether it's fine on ANY kind of hardware or not. Would probably just play the ROM and keep the cartridge as a collector's item. The game reports itself as Crouching Tiger: Hidden Dragon to ROM dumpers and other cartridge-read hardware, funny enough

wow, its amazing that I got get repo carts that worked perfectly fine on ebay yet LRG cant get one working...

They just don't care, they're not a high-brow company and they've always had horrible track records on actually delivering. Sometimes failing to deliver preorders to people for so long that the game hits normal street date and it's easier to just cancel and buy it normally.

write-once flash memory is generally not prone to electron leaking

They're not using WORM or MO-ROM though, they're using cheap NAND flash chips with the internal write-protection register hardwired.
This means if it isn't powered every 3-5 years they WILL experience electron leakage.

because CP2077 fits on 64GB without much excess space, whereas SE's titles are all 8-12GB and there is huge amounts of wasted space.

I guarantee someone mistranslated something

I bet our reddit buddies will find it then, since we're all too lazy to check and learn Japanese

Yes. The outrage is because people think Nintendo can slice a 64GB cart into 4 little pieces to get 16GB carts. If they could, they would've, but it's not up to Nintendo, it's up to Samsung and Macronix. Macronix makes the carts and Samsung is the one making the tech behind Switch 2's carts which is presumably 3D V-NAND. 32GB, 16GB, 8GB literally do not exist and would probably cost way more to shift production rather than just producing 64GB and hoping they get cheaper to produce thanks to economies of scale.

marvelous also has a huge amount of space left over with their games, too.

LRG will cut any and all corners. They always look to make shit as cheap as possible and sale as high as possible. One of my biggest buyers remorse was the bug fables collectors edition they made. The diorama was made of the cheapest cardboard. The character cutouts dont fit into the slots properly. Meanwhile they made it look like it was plastic on the listing.
Not to mention they (allegedly) their sale out of print games on ebay at high prices and even shill buy em to make em seem more high demand then they actually are
Ya. I wont lie I bought that too

This is just part of their console cycle. This is the console where it's borderline impossible to pirate things that will sell horribly. The next console will have fewer restrictions and be a smash hit.

bros should I migrate to digital only? the future is not looking good for physical

All the games worth buying (the first party ones) on the switch 2 will be completely physical.

Do whatever you want to do, anon. Digital media hate is a meme anyways.

because not everyone is retarded like you

Do normies even give a shit about the game key cards controversy? Seems like it's only terminally online people who are upset

Physical is a meme
I buy digital games with the expectation that I won't have them forever. I see it as spending X amount of money for X amount of perceived enjoyment.
After I get my money's worth I don't care what happens to the game.
It makes me more picky and wait for sales

???

Damn I ordered their sigma star saga dx.

That's the thing, anon. No one cares about game key cards and you know why? because every other company have already done it for decades. Normies have gotten used to putting a game in console and wait for the game to install and needing to download the latest patch

marvelous is charging full price for a game that shouldn't be full price. it'd probably be $20 cheaper if it wasn't on cart.

It's the same price on pc and other platforms.

16 dollars

I really fucking doubt that, but if true, then yeah there's absolutely no way anyone would use that thing.

Yeah, sure. Anything else I can do to make your dumb paynigger experience any worse?

if true, then yeah there's absolutely no way anyone would use that thing.

well thats exactly what happened. The only launch game released on a non-key cart is mario kart world