Expedition 33

uhh so what if they are humans made of flesh and bone with their own unique lives, drives, perspectives, goals

so what if they have agency and free will

so what if they love, they dream, they hate

so what if they are completely indistinguishable from any person in the world painters live in

so what if they have souls

they are not real because... uuhh... they just aren't, okay?!

therefore it doesn't count that I genocide them

I am very smart and morally in the right, actually

V*rsofags are psychopaths and deserve piano mines.

Verso loved both families despite being purely fictional. He knew what had to be done. Alicia/Maelle is literally killing herself in the wrong ending

Painted people cannot stand a chance.
Even if Maelle wins no one can guarantee that another won't take a look inside and flood Lumiere with piss.
It's better for them to die rather then being gommaged over and over.

You are underage or dumb. Or both.
Verso is THE ONLY correct ending. You are a fucking fool if you think otherwise. the worst part is you probably think you are being nice by doing the maelle ending. it isn't nice, it's the opposite of nice. You picked the bad ending

Sometimes the just option still yields pain

Cool story bro

Notice how not a single versonegroid can articulate themselves past throwing tantrums and insults.

True. The overall theme is about letting go and moving on. (And yet I walked all the gold bars from the Sierra Madre Casino back to Novac anyway.) The painted people will all die eventually, is it worth dragging out their suffering? But aren't we all suffering?

Notice how you ignored the two "versonegroids" above

The problem is versofags just can't bring themselves to admit Alicia is saved at the expense of 3 sentient civilizations. Watch them shit and piss themselves arguing and tip toeing around such simple truth.

I don't disagree with anything other anons said though? I am only calling out versofags who refuse to admit they murdered living breathing world with real people in it for their own goals.

Imagine you were involved in a terrible accident that left you in a coma. Not only physically but also mentally scarred.
I have the power to wake you up so you can keep living your REAL life, learn to cope with the new circumstances, and let you grow out of it stronger and better.
But I (you), because I'm a stupid fucking idiot, think to myself "Hmmm you know what? what if while he's in a coma he's having really nice dreams? I'm not gonna wake him up, I'm gonna let him stay in a coma forever, coma that is literally killing him btw"

This is you. This isn't someone you want to watch over you, this isn't a friend, this is a fucking irresponsible idiot. The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real. They aren't human. they don't exist, it's the ultimate escapism to avoid facing reality. Facing reality is always better than killing yourself by trying to avoid it.

Grow up

The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real.

The catch is that we don't really know one way or the other.

Imagine a completely different unrelated scenario which conveniently sounds like it makes me right

Idiot.

It's not painted Verso's fault.
It's Aline's for painting people in the canvas, especially the one's that are copies of real world people.
Painting humans should be off limits, she deserves the guillotine for that.

The "people" she wants to stay with aren't real

Called it LMAO

but that's not entirely for his own goals? Yes he wants oblivion because he hates what he is, but he is also selfless about it, because he knows a real living breathing family is falling apart and killing themselves little by little. His ending is heroic as fuck.

What she's thinking in that moment

so what if they are humans made of flesh and bone

Huh?

The only people that pretend to have moral high ground are Maellefags. Yet they're all mentally ill hypocrites and wouldn't hesitate to genocide a group of people they don't like.

Verso is such a colossal lying manipulative cunt that his own father's interpretation of his essence is masked axon Visages.
In Maelle's ending he spends his last shred of free will to beg Alicia to unpaint him. Not to beg her to leave Canvas.
Verso did it ONLY for himself.

obviously dumb, they are literally inside a painting and they don't exist in the real world. they aren't real people. it's not complicated

yes I am okay with genocide, but people who aren't? actually it's THEM who are pro genocide, you see

This is beyond olimpic level mental gemnastics. There are no words how one must twist common sense and logic to so confidently call white black

This is what people who struggle to answer the hypothetical breakfast question sound like.

uuhhh but they are inside Canvas? so obviously they are not real? I don't understand

You're mad and you can't even deny my position, you would kill a bunch of people from the real world if it was for your hecking painterino people. I swear every time you argue with Maellefag it's like arguing with a retarded leftist.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing your loved ones over other people, even if you believe that all people are equal.
Hell, I'd sacrifice your life to save my dog.

You're mad and you can't even deny my position

I just denied it you retard.

you would kill a bunch of people from the real world i

No I wouldn't. What is this insane dellusional fanfiction? You just claim shit about me you invented. You know, it can go both ways.
You would kill a bunch of people from the real world if it was for your hecking computer people.

I swear every time you argue with Maellefag it's like arguing with a retarded leftist.

Oh you actually are fucking insane, fuck off shizo.

My beloved sister. I'm sorry, I must allow you to die because saving you would require me to sacrifice a village of talking sticks that are pretty much just dogs. That I created.

i mean he knew she had won and wouldn't be able to convince her to leave the canvas, so what was he supposed to beg for except being erased?

if it was for your hecking computer people

That's literally you though. You show it by by going crazy over painted people in the game lol. You're so disconnected from reality that you can't even see it.

yeah don't care Toby Fox still doing the genocide ending

What you guys gotta understand by having discussions about the 2 endings is that you are in 4chin, with people that live and breath escapism. So obviously here you are gonna have turbo escapists. Half of the maelle fags think their VR waifu is real and would kill you to keep files intact in their hard drive

You are writing fanfiction about me again, you goddamn schizoid. All I am advocating for is versofags should recognise the weight and the truth of their choice. Something they are incapable of doing judging by this thread

proves me right

a village of talking sticks that are pretty much just dogs. That I created.

Gestrals are no different than the humans in the painting.
Not to put down the gestrals, humans in that world are just more intelligent fighting sticks.

Well why did he beg about anything in the first place if it was so hopeless? It just that this moment shows his true character that's all

I have a more of a life and sane mind than you retard. Maellefags will keep lying that their ending is the only good and right choice because it's morally right, when it's all about escapism. Stay mad.

the weight and the truth of their choice.

The gestrals largely don't mind the whole death thing.
Every single painted human except for Sciel, Lune and Verso is already dead.
Their creator is already tired of it all and wants it to end.
Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

Because he knew she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing for her own amusement/grieving.
And he was absolutely right because she's just another Aline.
Just because you can't interpret extremely basic writing doesn't mean it's not right in your face.

But true actual Maellefags chose Verso's ending. The ending in which she is alone, undesirable, without any man she has connection to, except for her dad. Ripe for the picking in their fantasy.

maelle a cute

The gestrals largely don't mind the whole death thing.

That's because they can reincarnate.

Every single painted human except for Sciel, Lune and Verso is already dead.

Their chroma is still around and fresh and they can be returned back as they were.
Also you forgot about grandis.

Their creator is already tired of it all and wants it to end.

Their creator is dead. It's just a tiny piece of his soul. And despite being tired he still believes his creations have souls.

Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

Decades may pass in Cavas years until that happens. If you are going to die decades in the future it doesn't mean you should end it all now, does it?

more unrelated fanfiction

Yawn

That's because they can reincarnate.

And they don't care anyway.

Their chroma is still around and fresh and they can be returned back as they were.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years. It's not fresh if the expeditioner chroma isn't either.

And despite being tired he still believes his creations have souls.

And he still wants to end it all.

you are going to die decades in the future it doesn't mean you should end it all now, does it?

So why doesn't Alicia tell them? It shouldn't matter knowing that as long she's in the painting her dad will come back to murder them all right? They really won't care right?

t-they are not real

Missing the point award.

Either they die or they spend the remainder of their life under Alicia until renoir burns the fucking painting for real this time.

You forgot the part where Alicia inevitably goes crazy and becomes another Aline. That's why it's merciful to destroy the canvas ASAP

Imaging hating real life Monoco and Noco puppies so much that you prefer to stay with their OCs in fantasy land.

I agree they are real.
They also died.
So that's it for them, people's lives shouldn't be toyed with by gods, that includes bringing them back to life.

Because he knew she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing for her own amusement/grieving.

Do you even read what you type? You are contradicting yourself. He doesn't ask her to leave Canvas because he know she would never leave. Yet he asks her to unpain him because... he know she would force him to keep existing? You are making no sense.

Just because you can't interpret extremely basic writing

How fucking ironic to read this from someone who actually struggles to comprehend an incredibly simple character moment and can't even string a sentence together to prove his interpretation without tripping over his own argumentation.

Everything he wrote made sense though, dunno why you're being dishonest and try to gaslight everyone that has a different opinion.

Stop fighting for vidya characters, anon. None of them are real.

brother gave his life to save her

"Should I honor his memory by living a life he'd proud of?"

"nah, I'll kill myself to live in a fantasy world"

enslaves a copy of him that has his memories and personality so they can play house together

forces the last vestige of his soul to keep painting to maintain the fantasy world

I didn't pick Verso's ending because I agreed with him 100%.
I picked it because Alicia is a selfish cunt like her mother and she destroyed Maelle's character.

What's 'life', what's 'death', what's 'being real'? Contemplate the physological process of death. You become unconscious and your heart stops beating, yet the engine of your mind, your brain, stays functional and you may enter a dream state.
Within your dreams, time itself becomes a tool of your mind -- you can spend days, weeks, months, years, centuries and millenia in a dream, while in what you believe to be the "real world" a fraction of that time passes. Now, when parts of your brain start to die off as a consequence of oxygen deprivation, the faculties of your mind dissolve and the dream with it.
It may intermittently turn into a nightmare, but ultimately becomes abstract and incomprehensible. If you narrated the change you're perceiving, you'd not just struggle to find words to describe it, you would gradually lose your ability to speak and think entirely. Eventually you'd become silent, oblivious to what is happening and to what you are, have been and will be -- you'd lose your cognition and then eventually your sentience.
Nothing stops this process from turning into a comvolution, from playing out over and over again within your dream-realities. Between your the "start of your death" to the "end of your death", you may live infinite lives.

If you had choose a dream, which one would you cling to? What's your personal metric, based on what would you choose the dream? Potential for or actuality of experience?

Alicia only cares about what Alicia thinks.
Alicia agrees.

And they don't care anyway.

They are childlike and can't grasp the concept of mortality. It doesn't follow that it's okay to murder children since they don't comprehend what death is.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years

From previous generations, yes. Those who were gommaged a day ago in the end of Act 2 are a different story.

And he still wants to end it all.

Maybe, but the demiurge doesn't take precedence over thousands of sentient beings in his world.

So why doesn't Alicia tell them?

Why should she? If you know the world is going to end on march 21, 2056 what good would it make?

and she destroyed Maelle's character.

Maelle was grieving in a more or less healthy way.
She took Gustave's sacrifice to heart and strived to make a better world.
Alicia then took over and basically saw it and said

MY PAIN MATTERS AND I WANT TO GRIEVE MORE

She pretends she's Maelle, but she's not.

It's telling how you didn't even attempt to explain how it makes sense though.
The statement says that Verso knows Maelle a) never going to leave b) never going to unpaint him
Therefore by his logic Verso shouldn't have asked for either. Yet he did ask for one of those things and that characterises him in a certain way. It's that simple.

fuck both girls

tell them they’re not real and then kill them and their entire world

What the fuck was Versos problem?

Sciel understood, that's why she's the superior bang.
Lune only fucked Verso to vent out her own frustrations with her family and then she died. She's a good warning against not living your life until it's too late.

Forgive her, she's been through a lot. Just defeat her and prevent her from destroying her family and subjecting an entire world to be her puppets. She will thank you later.
Verso's soul is not the demiurge, it's the supreme essence of the world. The demiurge is the painters. And they should not be trusted with taking care of an entire existence, as seen with Aline.

Paint people will never be real people.

Add.: The real tragedy is that people always opt for dichotomy and will never bother to contemplate a third option. Is it really necessary for either side to indupge the extreme? Can't Alicia learn moderation and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr or simply as for freedom and/or oblivion? Why can't the family visit the canvas together some time later?

It's all learned helplessness, fatalism and defeatism.

You are a simulation in some higher beings world. You are not real. Now what?

Can't Alicia learn moderation

No.

and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr

her dad already asked.
The issue is that both Aline and Alicia use the canvas as their own cope world and they refuse to move on from it.

I am real. That being said, I exist thanks to the creator, and I am not entitled to my existence. If my existence is a strain on the creator's well-being, they are objectively correct in erasing me.

Damn the poster above me is an actual cuck. Tragic.

never going to unpaint him

That wasn't written. You're so desperate to win this meaningless argument that you keep lying.

You have no argument. You lost.

Quote me next, fag. If there's nothing that will make you submit, including god himself, then you're just mentally a teenager.

He probably played too much jrpgs where the only option is to use chuuni powers and kill the god.

You do use chuuni powers and kill the god.
As verso at least, you just beat the shit out of Alicia.

Are you trolling me?

she would never leave the canvas as long as he was there and would basically force him to keep existing

Change "never going to unpaint him" to "would force him to keep existing" if you are that autismal for real. Those phrases are equivalent to each other.

meaningless argument

That bit of characterisation shows that painted verso is selfish as opposed to heroic selfless figure. If you don't care about the game and it's writing and think that it's meaningless then why are you even here? Go discuss something you care about.

I'm talking about this post lol

Are you all conveniently ignoring alicia is mute, disfigured, and missing an eye in the real world?
It's not like she wants to stay in the painting just to have fake friends and see his fake brother... She wants to have a functioning body

No.

That's contrived drama.

her dad already asked.

So, Verso (and friends) can ask again, unless Maelle turns them into meatpuppets.

The issue is that both Aline and Alicia use the canvas as their own cope world and they refuse to move on from it.

Are they completely and utterly incapable of change, forever and ever? Is Renoir really supppsed to be the only character capable of change (i.e.: giving up his daughter/trusting her)? That's again quite contrived.

They're just stealing the philosophical ideas thag FO4 already came up with with the synths

see

Are you supposed to just let your family member succumb to addiction because they're hypothetically capable of change?

That's contrived drama.

That's the main point of the game, all consuming grief.

So, Verso (and friends) can ask again, unless Maelle turns them into meatpuppets.

She'd just lie to their faces and repaint them if they asked.

Are they completely and utterly incapable of change, forever and ever?

Ask Aline, she spent over 100 years in the fucking painting and all she did was grow more deranged, didn't get over Verso's death a single inch.
If you could make a perfect world where the worst day of your life never happened, you'd do it and in return you'd never be able to move on from it.

Can't Alicia learn moderation and can't Verso ask her to leave without LARPing as martyr or simply as for freedom and/or oblivion?

Painters are children who toy with godlike powers.
Writers did nothing wrong.
Writers, as connoisseurs of superior and more intellectual art, probably recognise morality of their powers and work on saving countless lives by riding world of p**ters

She wants to have a functioning body

If that was the case, then she could have picked (or painted) any other canvas.

I never viewed Verso as heroic and I still prefer his ending, they're all selfish characters anyway. I enjoy the game mainly because of the gameplay, art and music. Story is ok, hate the stupid dichotomy discussion the endings caused because it brings dimwits pretending that to be morally superior.

It was understood, are you genuinely retarded? He knew she wouldn't unmake him just like he knew she wouldn't let him die. In his final moments he did not beg for her to leave the painting, he begged her to kill him. Because at the end of the day he was just suicidal and looking for an acceptable way to die. He is a massive hypocrite that banged on about Alicia being a bitch for gommaging his sister but then had the audacity to try dooming EVERYONE because he was sad and wanted to die. He deserved what he fucking got.

No, she wants a lifetime with her brother, everything else, including her own brother, be damned.
Her body is secondary and the people in lumiere a distant third to the guilt she feels towards her brother's death.

They're both retards though and you have to be mentally ill to get so heated about this.

She can make her own canvas where she can have a healthy body. She could even recreate a Lumiere of her own.
But she doesn't want that. She wants to pretend Verso is still alive and ease her guilt.

I never viewed Verso as heroic

Autist-sama... the conversation wasn't about you, it started with anon claiming that Verso was in fact selfless.

And they don't care anyway.

He explained why they don't care, they are able to reincarnate. They still treat death as tragic, Monoco was devastated at Noko's death. Even if they were fine with being unmade it remains genocide.

Most of the actual chroma has been gommage'd for years. It's not fresh if the expeditioner chroma isn't either.

It's fresh to the extent that everyone recently dead can be brought back to life. That is still a shitton of people.

And he still wants to end it all.

He only wants to because of the fighting. He says repeatedly throughout the game that he wants to continue painting.

So why doesn't Alicia tell them? It shouldn't matter knowing that as long she's in the painting her dad will come back to murder them all right? They really won't care right?

This is all an irrelevant aside, just because Renoir will likely return to try destroying everything again in the future doesn't mean Alicia should simply let it happen.

No shit, the entire discussion is about Verso stop moving the goalposts dipshit

You can't fault her for not just fucking off from the world she spent 16 years in as a native. Especially when it was just couple hours ago that he remembered there exist anything outside painted Lumiere.

He knew what had to be done

More like, he saw his opportunity to get what HE wanted with no regard for anyone else and went for it, making up some high horse excuse as he did.

for not just fucking off from the world she spent 16 years in as a native.

You can fault her for the fact she doesn't actually care about that.
It's just an excuse for the part where her brother's soul is there. You need to understand it's all Alicia after act 2, her memories of Maelle don't weigh as much as she leads you to believe and it shows at certain points.
Especially against renoir it's a whole fight just because she won't leave Verso's canvas because it's Verso's and no other reason is given from her.

You can for sure argue that he is because the other painted people also have multiple motivations

making up some high horse excuse as he did.

He never excuses himself

I did this because I love my mother and she needs to get out

is what drives him until the beat the paintress in act 2.
Then he actually agrees with Alicia until her Aline side comes to light right at the very end.

I hate bad analogies and they're fucking everywhere these days.

Have fun with arguing. I'm gonna go play a video game.

The Dessendres are a family of genocidal maniacs. You’re a complete fucking retard if you think any ending that benefits them in the slightest is good.

Kill all paintniggers by slow drawn-out torture. Write a bullet into their skulls.

The flashback to alicia waking up and talking to clea indicates renoir went in the night before, meaning time dilation is around 12 hours for the 51years in canvas time, maelle can live a life worth loving in lumiere and pop out a day later as alicia. Versofags choose wrong.

It's not Maelle anymore. Maelle processed her grief, honored Gustave's sacrifice and kept moving forward Alicia is the one that wants to ignore reality and pretend everything is fine. She needs to be kicked out of the canvas so she can finally heal.

TPD brother.

there's nothing out there for me

She will never ever leave that canvas on her own volition, choosing Verso's ending is saving her.

He never excuses himself

I’m doing this for you, Alicia, can’t you see? Me getting erased is just an happy accident :) sorry, your friends don’t matter either, I’ve decided this is the best course for everyone, especially me.

Are you supposed to just let your family member succumb to addiction because they're hypothetically capable of change?

Are you supposed to force help upon them and create circumstances in which they'll never be able to change -- only obey? You're only helping others, if they ask for it -- if they don't ask for it, then you're helping yourself. Hence why drug addicts have a much higher risk of relapse when they don't start the withdrawel out of their own volition.

Ask Aline, she spent over 100 years in the fucking painting and all she did was grow more deranged, didn't get over Verso's death a single inch.

If you could make a perfect world where the worst day of your life never happened, you'd do it and in return you'd never be able to move on from it.

Anon, the issue is that absolutely nothing stops Alicia and Aline to paint a new worlds to OD on -- the soul fragment of Verso has been quintessentially irrelevant for 99% of the set up, the 1% being more contrived drama at the end. Aline frankly doesn't care and would abuse it indefinitely, and Alicia primarly cares about "escaping her shell of a body".
I am pretty sure that, if there's a DLC, it'll feature writers and present more contrived drama.

They did the same thing in ffxiv with the endless and I bet you I know who they voted for in the last election too.

Aline frankly doesn't care and would abuse it indefinitely, and Alicia primarly cares about "escaping her shell of a body".

It's THE ONLY REASON they are obsessed with this certain canvas. They are coping so hard in it because Verso's soul is in it.
It actually gives proper context to their obsession.

if I ignore the actual writing and motivations of the character I'm right

Sure. Reminder he was behind Alicia's actions through act 3 until she decided to behave like a fucking junkie.
Everything he does, even his death in her ending, is so she moves on from his real death.

Enough with the faggotry
post best music

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Hence why drug addicts have a much higher risk of relapse when they don't start the withdrawel out of their own volition.

This is not an excuse to do nothing.

Writers were too obsessed with a tragic ending. So they forced one.

They made Renoir and Aline both at fault and then said 'okay, which shithead do you side with?' Only, the player doesn't want to side with either shithead. You just don't have a choice. Cut off your hands or your dick, faggot.

renoir commits the genocide, not the player. stop being so fucking stupid. it hurts to think i breathe the same air as you.

Only, the player doesn't want to side with either shithead.

But I did, I sided with renoir and verso because Alicia was being an idiot (expected since she's just a teenager).

Did I miss Verso/Alicia scenes? I only got the one where she hands him the letter.

youtube.com/watch?v=f1y_fUVMOHQ
Best and most french thing they could come up for an ending song. It hits just right.

to the tomorrows not written yet

Only, the player doesn't want to side with either

I wanted to side with both though?

finish the game

Both force the soul fragment to continue drawing against its (= Verso's) will. Alicia even threatens it when painted-Verso tries to reach out and stop it. Both know where it resides: Aline flees to that domain and Alicia tells painted-Verso that he's not supposed to be there.
If it was just a matter of grieve, both would spend their time with the soul fragment itself, no?

Renoir speaks a lot of sense. He's not faultless of course, looks like he didn't handle Verso's loss very well himself and didn't communicate with his wife to help their family heal, which resulted in her retreating into the canvas. Also I believe his claim that "you can just paint other canvases" is a cop-out. He fails to understand that the only reason they managed to paint many canvases without incident until that point is because their life has gone smoothly. Then the fire happened and they went crazy. But that's to be expected, as life never goes smoothly, in other words the events of the game were inevitable from the beginning.
The bottom line is that the power of paint is inherently wrong.

Words words words

Only who's wrong tries to justify itself so badly lmao

excuse

Good intentions don't automatically translate to good deeds or good outcomes.

I did. I also did the reacher and all the camp scenes before finishing it. I know Verso was super attached to her but it's hard for me as the player to feel anything since I didn't actually get to see any other scenes.

It is factual that whoever choose Maelle's ending is an immature zoomer

So, you wanted to destroy the painting because it was a reminder of grief while also wallowing in grief and escapism at the same time? Have you considered that makes no sense?

Renoir was also being a terrible parent and husband and not giving his family the emotional support it needed to not be destroyed. His idea of destroying the painting and making war on Aline was very obviously not the way to help someone with their grief. More trauma doesn't help trauma.

Exactly, which is why utilitarian attitudes "I should do nothing because statistically if they manage to change it will be better on their own" are a mistake. You simply assume that they will manage to change instead of lending them a hand.

Make the ending of your videogame be about how escapism is bad

It's a videogame. It's escapism.

Writing a book about how reading is stupid.

Hmmmmmmmm.

uhh so what if they are humans made of flesh and bone

Already wrong at the very beginning. They're made of paint.

Get Maelle's bond level up then go to that wooden tower area

You're right, Renoir should have just let his wife and daughter die and live alone with Clea.
Wait, thats retarded

Verso's soul was bound to that canvas. It was neccessary to destroy it to let him finally rest in peace, and only then they could move on.

I wish our god was a cute redhead

That's headcanon.

That wasn't said. You made up something to get mad at.

I'm more curious about the axon killed by Simon in old lumiere. Is it Clea's representation from the Atlassian burden on it's back represent the burden placed on Clea to run the family household since parents are fucking off, and does that mean she tasked Simon to kill it as an allegory that she doesnt Want the burden and prob wants to just go back to simpler days like singing with Francois?

im a puppet for she

who says she isn't? she just doesnt want to talk to a rando like you

liking books is the same as locking in your room 24/7 doing nothing else

MODERATION

Clea probably had Simon kill that Axon because she's a cunt and didn't like daddy's painting of her.

this is a hard concept to grasp after a decade of corporate propoganda but escapism =/= enjoying any piece of art/media at all. you play the game, you enjoy and think about the experience, then you move on to something else.

it's more like an indictment against the people who cosplay or write fanfics about a game they played when they were 12, people who make indie games that are just unofficial sequels and otherwise cant move on

what if they're real

can you prove it anon or are you just a faggot

verso = reddit
maelle = Anon Babble

It's explicitly said that what keeps the canvas's existence is last silver of Verso's soul painting it.

Her axion is older than the game, it's painted on Renoir's atelier.
It's his ironic way of saying she's carrying to much and that's why it's called the hauler and attacks by throwing her buildings.
And she killed it because she can't stand what her parents painted her as.

just go back to reality you fucking tranny

Yep, issa truke

So? That doesn't mean it has to be freed.

It was 'tired' because of all the bullshit Aline was putting it through. There's no reason to believe it couldn't just be left be and 'had to be set free'.

game2deep4me. Neurons=Nevrons, Chroma=Soma, Axons, renoirs gold tree looking like neurons and dendrites.

It was all a simulation

And then they all died and nothing matters

I did that you fuckwad Maelle erased her and Verso was really pissed off about it. What I meant was how the fuck was I supposed to know what this guy was feeling for painted Alicia when we barely saw them together unlike Gustave/Maelle?

In this thread: Citizen of the United States of America is too illiterate to comprehend characters motivations in a fucking videogame, because it lacks basic human empathy (which apparently isn't built around his black and white/left or right directional brain and is far more complex)

dont destroy the canvas

aline and/or alicia need their fix

verso is tired again

Let him rest, anon. Destroy the canvas.

have fun, you're still wrong goodbye

Anons live in endless escapism

Sounds accurate

Aliciafags can't admit that everyone is already dead in Act 3 and she is resurrecting zombies. Noco's revival, Maelle's parents, and confronting painted Alicia should have all been part of the main quest leading up to Renoir. The Lumerians are dead. Lune and Sciel are dead. The Maelle we knew up until Act 2 is dead. The faceless zombie horde of expeditionars are dead. Alicia is completely fucked in the head and whoever sides with her is retarded.

imagine not supporting genocide of the je..
i mean painted people

verso is a liar

yes

verso ending means maelle will suffer in the real world

yes

deleting the canvas is genocide

yes

maelle is a selfish hypocrite

yes
verso's ending is bad and makes alicia suffer in the real world, but suicide by OD on fantasy fentanyl while enslaving your dead brother's soul because you can't face your own mistakes and grief is even worse

Apparently maellefags want him to live forever, diabolical fucking bastards

what this guy was feeling for painted Alicia

They have scenes together and she's his little sister.
It's not hard to understand what he feels for her, especially considering their shitty life after learning what happened to the original Alicia.

They were already dead in act 2.
The real genocide happens to the Gestrals and Grandis, but they would probably be OK with Verso's choice if it meant letting the soul of their creator who loved them finally rest.
Esquie and Monoco supported Verso, I trust them more than any painter or Lumerian.

you don't get it I need MORE more pverso/palicia scenes

utilitarian attitudes

If your intervention exceeds an offer to help, you're just replacing addiction with dependance.

You simply assume that they will manage to change instead of lending them a hand.

Lending them a hand is offering them help, not forcing your will upon them for your own sake. You may not like their descision (to destroy themselves), but as long as they are agentic (i.e.: in the possession of the faculties necessary to start the process of withdraweo if they wanted), it's ultimately none of your buisness.

Agency is non-negotiable. If you don't want others to issue unsolicited interventions in your life in matters they disagree with, neither should you -- no matter how their (bad) descision may worry and pain you.

Honestly, the dlc should be about the painted family.
Just so we can see the sheer cope of Aline when she made them and how they lived before the fracture.

in the possession of the faculties necessary to start the process of withdraweo if they wanted

Psychology babble.
Aline created painted Alicia with the specific intention to make her suffer. It's probably the most diabolical thing in the entire game.

if you knew he WAS having really nice dreams and the option would be to wake up and be a quadriplegic, would you wake him up?

Erm no mass genocide is worse than trapping one soul, retard

Playing a sequel as writers going into Painter worlds and fucking them up then killing them would be such a cool game lol

They are bound to go through under another Aline situation if you entrust Maelle with the canvas. Genocide is merciful.

genocide of fake people

wonder if they cared abot the hundreds of other paintings like that

They’re real people with a real physical form

One objectively real soul > any number of theoretical souls

MOOOOM ANON SAID HIS IMAGINARY FRIENDS GOT *checks note* MASS GENOCIDED AGAIN

they're npcs, they're not real, maelle
you have to go back

No? But they are paintings, they just get stored somewhere they don't go destroying it.
They destroyed this specific painting for plot reasons, but gestrals had been happily living there for ages.

now you're just assuming
then I'm going to assume some of these paintings were created specifically so rich people could make their westworld dreams come true

people aren't made of flesh and bone, they're made of atoms

I am very smart!

I mean the fact is if you read through the expediton journals you see they:

bleed

require food and water to survive

run out of water next to the ocean, which implies that the osmotic properties of salt in the intestines prevents them from drinking saltwater

get infections

get poisoned from eating bad shrooms

vomit

train their muscles

break bones

Painters are the ones who go inside canvases, looks like, it's their power.

Verso would be in the right IF

A) The conditions of the real world were not UTTERLY fucked, both personally for Alicia as well as the state of the world

B) Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't. It just affects what KIND of life she will live, and it can be argued that the life in the "real" world would be much worse than her life in the painted world, based on her health and the war.

is there anything more cowardly than the Versocuck absolving himself of all responsibility by claiming they aren't people? I chose Verso but you niggers make me sick.

Painted Verso is absolutely a real person

Thats why he has to suffer for decades so he can enable his sisters suicide.

I am very smart and ethical

Only because the Dessandres' life went smoothly before the fire. But life never goes smoothly forever, so the events of the game and the family conflict was bound to happen, and it's better if they forgo their painting power for their sake and prevent the suffering of any future creation of theirs.

They can't procreate unless Aline wills it so, since she needs to use chroma to create new life (see Maelle)

Calm down escapismo, your painted people will not come to life by taking it on me

why is existence suffering for Verso exactly? What exactly is so awful about living in a newly whole Lumiere with all the Gestrals and Grandis?

both personally for Alicia as well as the state of the world

Alicia's body is kind of fucked but she can still live.
And the real world is mostly fine, there's a secret war but that's about it.

B) Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't.

It is, if she stays, she dies in the real world.

the life in the "real" world would be much worse than her life in the painted world

She's just coping and basically keeping a fake perfect world she's not even happy in because she needs to manipulate verso for her fantasy to work.

So you don't trust Verso's own opinion?

they're not though, they're all just literal magic paint woven into homonculi by a crazy hag

so the events of the game and the family conflict was bound to happen

Not really, if Verso's canvas had never existed it wouldn't have happened.
Aline would have grieved properly and the family would have moved on, it was a specific combination of a horrific event and the existence of a single canvas that fucked it all up.

and prevent the suffering of any future creation of theirs

You think they actually care about the people they can erase on a whim? Not even Alicia cares by the end of the game.

Alicia's life was actually on the line with this decision, but it isn't.

Renoir literally showed us Aline puking blood as a result of her addiction to the canvas

It's how you get out of paying child support.

Dude, being based on a dead kid is totally dark. Not even eternal youth could cheer you up then.

We don't know if Maelle is a one-off thing or not though.

They can't procreate unless Aline wills it

100% headcannon.
Aline painted first generation of Lumiere and the rest multiplied naturally.
She only needed chroma to paint over Alicia.

Nothing is stopping Alicia from making her own canvas where she is whole and healthy, Verso even encourages her to keep painting.
In the end all she wants is Verso. She could've let Verso die when he wanted to, like she did with Painted Alicia. But no, she doesn't give a damn about Lumiere or the canvas if Verso isn't there to live out her fantasy.

Anon, her lungs are burned. That means her oxygenation is fucked and will only get worse as time goes by. Add to that the state of medical science in the early 1900's and she has a few decades if that.

And if you are going to suggest that she extend her lifespan via paintings, I hope you see the irony in such a suggestion after telling her that no, she cannot stay in the painting to live a better life.

He knows that his canvas is destroying his family.
He doesn't mind the lumerians and stuff, but the end result is his whole family being torn apart and he's just tired of painting.

Thing that gets me maybe even more than killing all the canvas people is that Verso has just been lying and scheming the whole time, can't trust that guy.

he knows his existence means the people he loves are suffering

This is all headcanon and cope

All of the lumerians are Aline's creations, ALL OF THEM.
They don't multiply naturally because it requires Aline's chroma to happen. She shapes the people in Lumiere and makes the next generations because people can't magically produce chroma.

My point is the moment the family came upon a rough time, which again was bound to happen, someone would find themselves addicted to a canvas to cope. The specific details don't matter, their power is addictive escapism on steroids.

After years and years in the painting. Alicia will die if she stays in the painting, but she will do so outside of the painting as well, perhaps even faster than she would inside.

Bro, she's mentally 16. She'll gain some wisdom in the canvas and eventually leave of her own volition. Have faith in Gustave, Lune, and Sciel.

has just been lying and scheming the whole time,

Just act 2, for his mom.
He's 100% being honest in act 3 until Alicia lies to Renoir, then he's honest with her again about what he wants to do.
If you can't get over him lying to the party to off his mom, that's on you, but otherwise he's been honest.

Rent free lol

She'll gain some wisdom in the canvas and eventually leave of her own volition

Zoom Zoom has no reading comprehension.

She'll gain some wisdom

in a world she can shape to her every whim

and her mom didn't leave in over 100 years

bro she's a literal deranged child with godlike powers

They live in a fantasy setting of Paris, that's why Verso's tombstone says he died on the 33rd of December. So your argument about medical science is irrelevant. If painters and writers have magical powers maybe doctors have too.

he's been honest except for the time that he wasn't, which is 99% of the time you've known him.

Okay I guess.

The fuck? Do you think that inhaling burning hot smoke and fumes leaves your lungs just fine and dandy?

HAVE FAITH

tfw sister HATES Verso and prefers Gustave

I already know she's gonna pick the tard ending

All of the lumerians are Aline's creations, ALL OF THEM.

She created the OGs yes

They don't multiply naturally because it requires Aline's chroma to happen.

We don't actually know if this is the case. We're shown that painted creations can use chroma themselves to varying degrees. Painted Renoir is able to basically do painter stuff.
Also keep in mind that we know painted people eat food and grow up. How is that so different from cell growth that turns into a different person?

He never really liked painting and probably went through a lot of shit from his parents before being allowed to become a musician. Now he's trapped in a world where a piece of his soul is doomed to paint forever, and playing the piano has gone from his life's passion to something he's being forced to do like a trained monkey.

Not even her dad has faith on her.
And she's his favorite and he had placed a ton of hope on her "reaching out".

They live in a fantasy setting of Paris, that's why Verso's tombstone says he died on the 33rd of December.

They also live inside a painting/book, which makes the "not real" argument completely hollow.

HATES Verso and prefers Gustave

That's literally everyone with a pulse.
Verso is interesting but he isn't likable at all

We see her run with that damage without getting winded.
You're just pretending its lethal to justify torturing Verso and the other Canvas residents enabling Maelles insanity.
There's nothing in game to indicate Maelle can't live until 100 in the real world without problems.

It means she's loyal. The game is kinda fucked up for having Verso suddenly pop up in the same fucking cutscene as Gustave's death

Are you seriously suggesting that Verso would magically be okay with Alicia permanently retreating into a painting just as long as it was hers? This is about Verso controlling Alicia, thinking he has the right to make decisions for her.

NOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO LIVE A PERFECT HAPPY LIFE AS A SINGLE FAVORITE PERSON OF THE LITERAL GOD AAAAAAHHHHHH I AM GOING INSANE SAVE ME PAINTERMAN

I've seen girls do a total 180 by the ending due to the writing.
Even if you hate him, you either get that he's trying to save Maelle or they get the jumpscare ending.

why is this ending so sinister bro i just want maelle to be happy why isn't it the happy ending

They also live inside a painting/book

Painting-inside-a-painting would be terrible world-building, fantasy Paris is far superior

How long will it take for the movie adaptation? 5-10 years?

what do you mean you're tired of dealing with painters and their bullshit?

what do you mean you don't want your loved ones to suffer anymore?

You'll play the piano and like it

Could knock it out in a couple of years if they get started right away.

They are indistinguishable from people and every painted character remarks that they are real. Your reasoning is simply that because Painters have the ability to create that their creations don't deserve life.

Anon Babble is gonna have this debate for years to come, isn't it?

make movie

written by american roasties with daddy issues

alicia the mary sue tells her dad to fuck off and makes everything happy and perfect and her ending is all sunshine and rainbows

Everyone hates Verso at first. "Who the fuck is this opportunistic prick and why didn't he save Gustave?"

We see her run with that damage without getting winded.

Outside the painting? At which point?

They also live inside a painting/book, which makes the "not real" argument completely hollow

headcanon and cope

Maelle ending is bad because the music sting is sinister

They are indistinguishable from people

They are human shaped gestrals, nothing more, nothing else.
Except they can't even reincarnate.

Painting-inside-a-painting would be terrible world-building

Sadly Maelle/Alicia implies that painting-in-painting is possible.
It's a hypothetical retardLORD, stop being so aggressive.

You can fucking sprint in the manor anon.

The good ending :)

So what's the deal with this one armed dude?

never said they deserved anything
it's the tard ending only because it means maelle slowly commits suicide instead of facing the real world and the consequences of her actions

fucking lel

sudden black and white like her nightmares

music stops

verso looks visibly angry

chroma pickup sound when he refuses to play

alicia uses her paintress powers

he starts playing

THIS IS THE GOOD END SOMEHOW

yeah no, everytime he starts to become likeable he goes back to backstabbing liar in an instant

i just bught it. am 6 hours in. holy... 10/10. godlike. for me personally kcd2 is still game of the year.. but man... maybe not when i am through with this. just kidding, i wont let hang you medieval bros

Your argument for her not being seriously ill is that the game allows you to move faster during gameplay for convenience?

multiple threads about this daily

This game really tickled Anon Babbles pickle didn't it? I don't remember a reaction like this in a long time.

Verso is a genocidal maniac. He should be flayed alive a million times, not forced to play the bibano

They behave and function just like regular people. They bleed, eat, sleep, etc. I don't even know why you make the distinction, since gestrals clearly would also be deserving as life when examined from a moral lens.

he goes back to backstabbing liar

This happened once, at the end of act 2.
The act 3 betrayal is ALL on Alicia.

Fuck Verso and fuck Alicia though?!?!?!?
GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE
NOW
NOW
GO PLAY AND DON'T READ SPOILERS

lmao

MUHH GENOCIDE FREE GAYLESTINE

reddit is that way

Anon, the entire reason everyone in their family is obsessed with that canvas is because it has a carbon copy of Verso thanks to the fragment of his soul.
Without that perfect copy of Verso then Aline and later Alicia would have no reason to be so enthralled by it.
So yes, I'm suggesting that Verso would be okay with Alicia smoking weed if she gives up heroin.
And if you want to talk about right to make decisions then tell me why it is okay for her to decide that painted Verso should keep living when he wants to stop existing.
Or why it is okay for her to force Verso's soul to keep painting when he's tired of it.

Good. I want my friend to watch it so we can discuss it but he refuses to play the videogame.

hey behave and function just like regular people.

I didn't know you could just delete people into petals with a weave of your hand.

finner

Both endings have their positives and negatives.
This angers autists.

V*rso suffers

Alicia gets to live at least couple decades of healthy life among people who love her

this is bad somehow

V*erso gets what he deserves

Alicia is forced to live as an abandoned cripple in constant pain among people who detest her at worst and see her as a worthless liability at best

this is good somehow

They're both real worlds. The only difference is in this one she can live for centuries as a healthy human, and in the real world she is stuck as a one-eyed disfigured mute. Nobody in the game responsible for what happens faces actual consequences for their actions in any ending at all. Not Maelle, not Aline, not Renoir, not Clea. None of them face any punishment for the things they have done.

You couldn't, but I bet ALLAH could. The Painters are just their gods.
Does that mean your life is meaningless and you'll rope?

People completely ignore how unsettling the last shot of Verso's ending with the family gone and Gustave beckoning Alicia towards him is.

V*erso gets what he wants

fix
I am retard

The real black pill is that this entire story was written by Writers, which is why both endings are fucked up in their own way. There is no war going on, the Painters already lost and this is their punishment.

Nobody in the game responsible for what happens faces actual consequences for their actions in any ending at all. Not Maelle, not Aline, not Renoir, not Clea. None of them face any punishment for the things they have done.

WriterGODS will have something to say about that.

and Gustave beckoning Alicia towards him is.

If that's how you interpret the whole gang saying goodbye to her, sure.
You need to be on several levels of cope to see that.

Well no you are unable. All of them die via traditional methods when not at the hands of Painters. They bleed when cut, they suffer broken bones and contusions when crushed, etc. This is also ignoring the latter half of my post wherein it's made clear that regardless of whether they ARE indeed just like gestrals, they still deserve life.

Living with the knowledge that he is not real but a creation based on a dead man

Said dead man's last sliver of soul is also tired and wants to stop painting and end it

Also living with the knowledge that Aline and Alicia are playing pretend that everything is fine while they are killing themselves with grief and escapism

On top of already being a hundred of years old and not allowed to die until you sister decides she has had enough of you

Yeah bro, I wonder why he is not ok with this life.

she can paint anything she wants at any time as long as she leave the canvas, dumb nigger

The Day of the Typewriter is coming. Just you wait.

She can paint new worlds.
She just needs to let go of her unhealthy obsession with her brother's death.
That's all there is to it.

Oh so escapism is good, actually, as long as V*rso gets what he wants

Gustave

the lies by omission

getting everyone killed in Act 2

having Soarrie the entire time

going behind Lune and Sciel's backs to destroy the canvas

in the verso ending maelle faces her grief and the consequence of being a fucking writer stan
also she can apint anything she wants at any time

You're the one who made up completely that she was going to die soon
Her running in the real world is an in game canonical event.

Do you not have eyes?
Literally just look at the motion Gustave's arm makes. Lune, Sciel, Esquie and Monoco are waving. Gustave is beckoning. Maelle is not moving.
Thanks for proving my point about people ignoring it btw.

I chose it because I thought it I picked the right ending I wouldn't be able to ng+

Sure, she can do so. But then it just runs into the same issue of her living another life in the painting and wasting away. She could just as easily do that in the world of Lumiere, the only thing she really needs to change is to let Verso die, and leave on occasion. But then Renoir will destroy the Canvas. It's a lose lose for both really.

>Gustave

>the lies by omission

>getting everyone killed in Act 2

That's all part of a single lie in act 2 and his whole plan from the beginning.

>having Soarrie the entire time

Who even cares about this.

>going behind Lune and Sciel's backs to destroy the canvas

Again, Alicia is to blame for this.

And then the painter family found out they were in a video game and the gamedevs tried turning off the computer. So the painters tried to stop them but the gamedevs were too powerful and everyone died oh well :////// for those who come after (nobody comes after)

This how stupid you sound. Just accept the writer is a novice and accept that the game is good despite that

Not everything convenience game mechanics allow you to do is canon you collosal dumbfuck. If you force Alicia to jump 1000 times before Clea's face it doesn't mean she canonically jumped around Clea like a monkey.

Verso wouldn't allow her to permanently retreat into any painting. He wants to control her.

What was the last game that had such divisive opinions over its endings?
Except both were considered satisfying

Yes she did, and they all confronted Renoir in their swimsuits

You are totally reading into something that was not explicitly shown. She was shown over Verso's grave, but that doesn't mean she was actually facing her grief and recovering. I personally know people that have attended family members of loved ones and then drank themselves to death. It's just as likely she goes back to another Canvas and lives vicariously there instead. She could have faced her brother's death at any time, why would it matter to Aline or Alicia whether or not the facsimile they create is in Verso's painting or elsewhere?

it just runs into the same issue of her living another life in the painting and wasting away

The game made the point that it's only because it's Verso's canvas that both her and Aline are willing to kill themselves.
Aline could have just painted a new world where verso is alive to cope, but she won't, because it's not verso's.
Alicia says she cares about her body or the people in Lumiere, but the only reason she's actually fixated on the canvas is because of Versos's soul.

Alicia is forced to live as an abandoned cripple in constant pain among people who detest her at worst and see her as a worthless liability at best

no she isn't? she can paint whatever and fuck right off again into another delululand if she feels like it. how are some of you so fucking braindead? pay some attention to the game when you're playing it.

I'm such a useless fuck I can't force Aline out by herself so I'm going to manipulate the Lumierians to do it for me

Verso is fucking dead anon. Once that canvas is destroyed he's gone. He doesn't control anything.

Thanks for proving my point about people ignoring it btw.

Because it doesn't look like that, retard.

That may be true of Aline, but it is not true of Alicia. While she refuses to let Verso go, the primary reason she wants to stay is because she is mutilated. She remarks as such not just in the final battle, but also before first entering the canvas when she dreams of being whole again. She's basically guaranteed to just repeat the same fantasy again in another canvas, regardless of whether she processes her grief over Verso's death.

either she copes with it or an hero is all facing her shit
just let the fucking spirit of your dead brother rest

Why reply to me if you're going to remain delusional about Alicia's realworld health?
Just pretend whatever you want, just don't pretend its real, valid, or canonical

He could have done NOTHING and the end result would be the same, it'd just take like another 10-15 or so years once lumiere doesn't have adults anymore.
But Maelle/Alicia was there, so he took the chance.

Can you argue against the pleasure cube without resorting to emotional cope about things needing to be REAL™?

She could have faced her brother's death at any time, why would it matter to Aline or Alicia whether or not the facsimile they create is in Verso's painting or elsewhere?

I guess the Master Painter Renoir is a fucking moron who doesn't know anything, and just pulled the need to burn Verso's painting out of his ass.
Please, school us more on how you're so much more knowledgeable about painting than the patriarch of the Painting family

Based

I'm against stimulation machines. And yes if it was possible I would have humanity unlearn the technology for TVs/smartphones etc.

She's basically guaranteed to just repeat the same fantasy again in another canvas

she is but she should at least have the courtesy to let verso die and then go live in another painting as a goddess without torturing her poor brother's soul.

there was essentially no reason to engage in such blatant treachery but I'm going to do it anyways because I'm a selfish twat

I’m still upset they baited you to get emotionally attached to the people of Lumiere and then just doomed them, that’s not ok.

There's nothing in game to indicate Maelle can't live until 100 in the real world without problems.

There is absolutely no reason to assume that the real world from which the Painters come is not the same as ours outside of the exceptions we accept to suspend our disbelief. That is, as far as we can tell other than their ability to paint worlds, they appear to be regular humans. It is almost impossible that Alicia will live to reach 100 years of age in the real world, and if she does it will be mutilated and decrepit. When she passes in the real world and subsequently the painted world, it would be after several decades of health.

Just have him watch this youtube.com/watch?v=mGnLf9qJgjM

She was in a fire, anon. It is not a fucking stretch to assume that she breathed in smoke and fumes, which would permanently and seriously damage her lungs. And the fact that she is incapable of speech attests to that, as well.

my assumptions are still val-

So you don't have anything.
I'll accept your concession

The faster they take his mother out of the canvas, the better, it's pretty simple.
And he kept Alicia safe which was his priority anyway, otherwise he let the expedition do exactly what they wanted to do, which was defeating the paintress.

suffering is a right of the living
theres nothing wrong with that, people are just dumb if they use the argument alone because theyre only focusing on the suffering aspect
I say this as someone who takes affront to people who put down their pets

Hello, Mr. Renoir? Yes, I'd like to commission a canvas of a Shinto shrine populated by large breasted kitsune maidens. I have mailed you some picture books from the land of Nippon as reference.
Please have it hand drawn by Clea. One thousand silver francs shall cover it.

I agree, but she could just as easily do that in the world she inhabits now if she were sensible. I don't see a reason why these two wouldn't go back to exactly what they're doing but in a new canvas. In all honesty Renoir's best bet is to have them committed in their world's version of a sanitarium.

Actually since you can paint additional paintings inside paintings it’s likely the Dessendres are in a painting themselves. The writer did not think about this because she is a novice.

you're a blind retard

He should find a way to get rid of their power, it's inherently wrong.

can't go into the canvas because he's not a painter

Maellefags keep coping and seething about their ending being the evil one

take Aline out of the canvas

"okay now that that's done surely we can just leave the Lumierans alone and no need to gommage them?"

lol no get flower'd plebs

the Dessendres can eat shit. If they can't stop Aline from going back in that's on them and the Lumierans shouldn't have to pay for Clea being an apathetic cunt or Renoir not getting a handle on his wife

No one argues against canvases being amazing. Even in the Verso ending he highlights how cool the power to paint is and that Alicia will have hundreds of canvases to fuck around with after she leaves.
The Verso canvas was just completely tainted and Aline gave it life it was never created to sustain. it's a blatant and monstrous use of their powers and Clea highlights that in her right mind, Aline would have never have done something so retarded.

The only genocidal maniacs here are Alicia and Aline because they will rather risk the destruction of the canvas than not being some fucking junkies that only visit now and again.

Renoir not getting a handle on his wife

Renoir's handle of his wife is tearing her psycho fake family apart and destroying her imaginary cope world.
Because it's what she'd have done if their roles were reversed.

If there wasn't a war going on, they could save the painting.
But hard times call for hard decisions, and Renior can't just let Aline and Alicia kill themselves while he's fighting against the Writers with Clea

Actually since you can paint additional paintings inside paintings it’s likely the Dessendres are in a painting themselves. The writer did not think about this because she is a novice.

Most "debates" around the game revolve around logical hypotheticals and horrific conclusions from the worldbuilding that the writer didn't see in her mission to present an emotional message. She nailed that, along with the atmosphere and the interpersonal drama, but the worldbuilding has gaps where you can extrapolate a lot of terrible consequences form.

What they need is a lore master/script doctor. I assume that they'll clean up the worldbuilding in their film/TV series now that this has the legs to be a major IP (2 million sales in 2 weeks is incredible) and base any sequels or future games on that.

you fucking realise even fire and brimstone Old Testament God isn't that callous towards his creations. If those faggots are willing to spawn sentient life and alien civilisations they should be prepared to take responsibility for them. If they can't then their family deserves to be torn apart.

whys that the first thing you assume its happening? the aesthetic of the Paris we see? why cant it just be magic Paris?
also, if you go with that argument then when do you stop? maybe the world that painted the world the Dessendres live in is also a painted one. And maybe that one is also painted.
The whole argument is retarded

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking of it at the time of the ending but after a few days of thought they're really just a bunch of psycho demi-gods that give no real care to what they're doing. They have these powers but don't treat them with any gravity at all, in a world in which they were real I have a tough time believing there wouldn't be controls on arbitrarily creating worlds and then slaughtering all their inhabitants as one sees fit.

It's almost as if that power should not be entrusted to the feeble human mind which can easily go crazy from what our messy life can throw at us. The painting power is inherently wrong

sounds like someone didnt deal with the third axon
alicia has vertigo
its her character arc that shes afraid to climb
picking the alicia choice is just wrong for alicia as a character

"okay now that that's done surely we can just leave the Lumierans alone and no need to gommage them?"

You're wrong. Chroma is a finite resource, and Verso's canvas was only ever designed to hold Gestrals (which are finite by design and recycle themselves) and Esquie, and a few other doodads painted in by Clea when she was a kid which are also one offs.
If Lumeria was left completely alone, they'd eventually start disappearing automatically once the chroma had run out. There would need to be constant loss every "year" to maintain the stability of the canvas especially if no painter was going to obsessively stay inside until they died.

You are assuming she is going to live until 100 apropos of nothing. So I have no idea why you think my assuming she is otherwise a regular human is a stretch...

You can clearly tell he's beckoning not waving

Sadly Maelle/Alicia implies that painting-in-painting is possible.

where?

didn't link a video because it would prove hir wrong

Its not beckoning
youtube.com/watch?v=mQrTgMQWT9k&t=785s

Lumierians lived for a long time before Marika shattered the Elden Ring. Chroma is finite, but it isn't being consumed, the people had to be mercy killed slowly since Renoir was fighting for control over chroma.

that's not the fault of the Lumierans, that's the Dessendre's family playing God and proving themselves to be unworthy of their power. Maybe if Alicia rotted in that painting they would learn some fucking humility.

I think they probably just couldn't get pregnant if the chroma was too sparse. Then some old people would die and they could get pregnant again.

Not having my validation for your endgame choices is truly upsetting you, isn't it? Good. Play your piano.

Lune says that Alicia promised to paint her a copy of real world.

How should I deliver an anti-escapist message to the world?

Oh, I know, through an escapist media!

Every time I see this shit in a videogame of all places, I can't help but cringe. It's like those godawful anti-drug PSA's of the late 80's.

It's sincere. That does wonders to how people receive your story

You're still dodging where you came into your delusion that Alicia is horrifically crippled and soon to die
There's nothing in game to suggest she'll die anytime soon, in fact Renoir not wanting her to waste away in a painting directly suggests otherwise.

I don’t agree that she nailed it. The player gets way more emotionally attached to Lumierans and they just get deleted. That invokes despair, and a sense of pointlessness. And the act 3 scenario is so very, very low stakes in comparison.

Who cares about a singular girl who has god powers? She can create a thousand paradises for herself, fuck her. It’s very hard to like or care for her.

Finishing E33 made me averse to playing anything for a good week, so they won.

Lumierians lived for a long time before

No they didn't. Aline spawned them in herself. If we go off verso calling himself 100 years old then it was around 33 years before Renoir and Clea went in (and then he got trapped for 67 years)
And in that scenario Aline was there injecting her chroma and manipulating it constantly to the point of madness.

Verso said it himself

we're all hypocrites

That only shows you are a brainlet.
Media isn't escapism, they allow you to pass time, immerse in their worlds and then MOVE ON.
The message is for people who refuse the final step.

nigger where do you think I screenshotted that from
thanks for proving you have a terrible understanding of human anatomy
yes waving, not beckoning, is where you pull your palm toward your face, then move it away, and back towards your face, as opposed to all the other people with their palms facing out towards Alicia moving side to side

Nah media has definitely had radical effects on the human psyche since TVs became common

make game about letting go

anon cant let go

It's just a game, it isn't real

entire thread full of Maellefags ignoring replies that invalidate their arguments

Agreed with this, and I was actually paying attention since the beginning with the Manor and piecing together the scraps that something was very sketchy heh about the setup and world we saw in the prologue, and expected a red herring.
But I simply didn't care enough for that family to overwrite my investment to the peril of Lumiere and the characters we embarked on this story with. And not just killing Gustave, Sciel and Lune basically got sidelined immediately.

beckoning, is where you pull your palm toward your face, then move it away, and back towards your face

You're describing a way to beckon someone, but thats still not what Gustav is doing in the video

After act 2 I just didn’t care and put the game away. I got my closure, idgaf about 1 video game character. Her emotional well-being is not very compelling for me, Lumiere was compelling though.

You think a terminally online hikikomori is going to give a rats ass about a videogame going "You shouldn't like... engage in something all the time"?

If that is who the message is for, not only is it delivered using the wrong medium, it is wasted as its intended audience does not care.

I'm not the one you were arguing with that she is soon to die, but she is absolutely horrifically crippled and basically guaranteed a pretty shitty life because she can't talk at all. And for what it's worth I do find it reasonable to conclude that she did suffer some permanent damage that shortens her life, though I certainly wouldn't say that it's guaranteed.

So you literally didn't beat the game

versochads know the writers did nothing wrong

for me it's simon's theme

youtube.com/watch?v=VIs_82VxUHE

versogods, we can't stop winning...

The message is general is about grieving.
Everyone has grieved at some point in life and people can connect to this message.
I know I can, because the ending hit me like a truck in that regard.

I watched all the cutscenes but yeah

Why couldn't Alicia's father let go of her, then?

NTA but I looked at it and Gustave is absolutely beckoning at Alicia. A wave is simply to move the hand left and right with palm facing the recipient, he is turning his hand and pulling the palm towards him, a universally recognized gesture meaning "come over here." The rest of them are clearly waving but he most certainly is not.

We are all hypocrites

Something I've been wondering, any reason why Sophie and Emma look a lot like Clea? Just asset reuse, or did Aline paint them specifically like that? I mean, you could argue that Gustave also looks like Verso, so maybe Aline tried to give Alicia a "normal" family? Probably overthinking this though.

because she's alive and he doesn't want her committing slow suicide?

basically guaranteed a pretty shitty life because she can't talk at all

You'd be right, except she's a Paintress that can do all those things just fine when she's working inside a Painting.
Which is going to be her job
So I think she'll be just fine once she lets go of Verso and metaphorically spreads her wings like Renoir was encouraging.

Your opinion that its fine for her to torture the remains of her brothers soul in order to commit suicide is valid, but still wrong.

For me it wasn't really about grief, but my fucking ex-gf. My whole life has been practically frozen since she left, but I made up my mind long ago that if I had supernatural powers to get her back I wouldn't do it as it would not be the same. Verso's ending was easy to pick.

Telling other people how and how long they should grieve is preachy and, quite frankly, insulting.

my living teenage daughter is trying to kill herself

I should let go, it's her life

nobody said she will stop grieving, dumb maellefag

Take a break while gaming ya’ll :)

Wow… Profound!

Wow I know there are Maellefags but I didn't expect to see a fucking Alinefag

I thought there was a scene when Maelle's origin was revealed where it was shown that her real family sort of imprinted on Lumiere and the people around her.
Gustav was inspired by Verso, etc

They share french VA (irrelevant in this case) but I chalk it up to Aline not caring enough to paint every single person and phoning it in and reusing assets.

Ignoring the part where she will live a full life inside of the painting first

If that is killing yourself, then everyone is killing themselves. Even you, right now.

Yes it is, you just don't understand human anatomy.
He very clearly is pulling his palm toward his face.

I absolutely don't think it's fine for her to torture Verso by keeping him alive. She should certainly have let him rest. Otherwise, I think her staying in the canvas is fair. I'd prefer if she were to leave it every few decades to recover before going back in, of course.

will live a full life

A delusional cope while drowning in guilt about her brother's death while torturing his soul.

want to die

beg Alicia to let you die

tell her repeatedly that you don't want this life you're being forced to live

she forces you to continue living it, but now you're old and will never have another chance at fighting her for control of the canvas

she perverts your old fantasy of playing another concert in Lumiere by forcing you to perform it under duress, with her host of shells that she's brought back from the dead (who only look like the people they once were) and iwith her literally breaking down in front of you

and then you wonder why he's not exactly happy about all this

renoir showed aline withering away, puking blood due to her addiction to the canvas

This is like saying we should led junkie ruin themselves because we would die someday too

full lige inside the painting

die in the real world relatively quickly

She also took away his scar (sign of rebellion against Aline).
Alicia is not a good person.

Marche sent your ass back to reality 20 years ago, he was right then and he was right now. Just take your hrt if you want to be delusional in the real world

And how long had Aline been in the canvas at that point?

I think it makes more sense that she made a new Verso

btw, this single screenshot btfo Versofags
this is ACTUAL Verso speaking, not a painted imposter

not feet drawn by Clea

I sleep

He considers them to be alive.
He's also fucking tired of painting and wants to end it all.
Both can coexist and it's his right to do it.

I don't really judge/blame her, it's up to us to decide the fate of the painting, to allow Verso to overcome her to spare everyone from this fate

Feel free to die on your autism hill bro

It's Marukichads vs """"free will"""" Redditors all over again.

Post the rest of this conversation. You know, where he talks about his sister's view.

Versohomosexuals do not acknowledge this though.
They lack the conviction of Renoir, they can't say millions must die for my family. They weasel out with "Sims" and "VR" bullshit.

The drug analogue does not work because drugs do not conjure real, tangible magical worlds for you to go and exist in. It's more like leaving behind your corporeal form to live in another world.

Petition to stop calling them Maellefags, it's an insult to Maelle. They should be called Aliciafags.

Maelle would've followed Gustave's footsteps and embraced her disfigurement.
She'd rocked a cool eyepatch and designed a voice box to communicate.

It's more like leaving behind your corporeal form to live in another world.

Note that the Dessendres have zero issue with that btw. They approve creating universes with life to torture and then erase just fine, the issue is that it's Verso's painting in particular.

Here you go, his thoughts on painted Clea

to live in another world.

That kills you.
You grow addicted to.
Show literal withdrawal symptoms if you don't enter.
It's a drug.

I agree with Renoir.
No anon, heroin would not become fine if it was the same as the paintings. Renoir showed us clearly what it did to Aline and how it hurt him seeing her like that. The drug analogue is right there.

that literally doesn't invalidade versos' point
all you maellefags should just go inject fentanyl in a corner and die in your stupid fantasy

Illiterate retard.

be maelle

properly grieve Gustave's death and make the best of it

get gommage'd

some bitch larping as you can't do the same shit you did and doomed the world because of it

Maelle would be seething at Alicia.

You got it all wrong. Alicia wants to be called Maelle because she's escaping her IRL situation, Verso plays along with this charade at first, but when it comes to the ending he specifically calls her Alicia not Maelle because he's done playing dollhouse

Lune throws that idea around onve she finds out she's living in a painting.

Agreed. Maelle was actually moving foward with her grieve, its Alicia thats hellbent on living on a lie till she dies.

I'll accept your concession

resorts to insults as he loses the argument

typical painted Versofag, are you gonna have a suicidal meltdown next?

Yes, and that's great. The shitflinging and different ideologies clashing will continue for years on end. Even when discussion dies down, someone will make a thread saying Verso was right (he is) and it'll just be a thread of people talking shit.

What's wrong? Why aren't you posting the part where he talks about what his sister thinks?

What's this hardened goo all over Lumiere? Is it chroma? Why here?

These threads are pic related all over again

Are you tired of painting

*nods*

BTFOs this entire retarded point.

Joining the Writers to write a route where they have a loving marriage

It's because these bitches have degenerated into dumbass stoners. Spend 3 or 4 days in the canvas, get high on adventures and chatting with Francois, leave. But no they are all like 'Dude, canvas dude duuuuuude.'

when no one ever asks you how you feel about the whole thing

except yourself

Soul Verso was depressing.

Fucking everything kills you. Breathing oxygen is actually one of the largest contributors to why we die of "natural causes".

And it isn't really addiction if you make the conscious choice to abandon the previous world for a life inside the painting. It's more like choosing the be euthanized in a very gentle, slow manner.

May I ask what the prologue scene of Sophie dying and children losing their parents and being terrified and crying was for?

What was the narrative aim here?

Who is the most tortured character in the game?

painted Verso(in Maelle's ending)

painted Alicia

Verso's soul vestige

Writer here, currently writing a story where Clea sits on my face and gives me footjobs while insulting me, please look forward to it in Clair Obscur: For Those Who Cum After

It's the same shit as FFTA and Persona 5 Royal, except here you can actually choose this ending and people obviously don't want to let go after being in this world for 50+ hours

Lune, her entire life had zero happiness, and it ends right when she can earn it.

maellefags are pro assisted suicide now

hahahahaha

Decontextualizes a dialogue taking only a passage from it

Why am i being insulted

Gee you tell me

I picked Maelle's because I had faith she could make it work, since we're talking about a universe where artists are basically magicians.
Turns out she turned into a canvas-neet just like that.

Probably this desu

After all the E33 discussion it's clear to me painters are abhorent, immoral, irresponsible and egotistical and should be genocided for the greater good.
That's all.

To set a dark post-apoc tone? Like, you're not just going on a random ass adventure, people are dying en masse and this is Gustave's final year of being alive, his one last hail Mary

For all we know the Writers are just as bad if not worse

and people obviously don't want to let go after being in this world for 50+ hours

Most people actually understand the aim of the game and let go.
Except Anon Babble I guess.

who was in the wrong here?

both characters are villains

I don't understand the praise this game is getting. Both of the main characters are pieces of shit and the actual good one was taken from me. Borderline false advertisement.

It's absolutely comical how Lune gets clobbered like a dog the entire game. Is it an Asian self insert thing?

Welcome back FFTA

Lune footjobs and cumming on Sciel's tummy.

hfw you nut 2 seconds in

A happy ending was never an option

and the actual good one was taken from me

Gustave was bland dude.
As the game said, GET OVER IT instead of clinging to a dead person's memory.

Clea says they're not alive and I believe Clea. I don't care what Kid Verso said. Clea is a prodigy paintress!

It's the opposite, both are sympathetic and in the end only one ending is right for both of them, Verso's.

So if Alicia is over it in the Verso ending, why even include the shot of the others waving to her? Doesn't that imply that she still very much thinks about them?

Maelle did nothing, she dies at the end of Act II, just like how Gustave dies at the end of Act I.

nigga shut the fuck up

Gustave would have told Maelle to fuck off from the painting.
She would have refused to, and then it'd be the same shit all over again because she needs someone to just destroy the world to get the fucking point.

It shows that those who leave us are still in our heart, a proper way to grieve.

Imagine Lune's incredible despair that can only come from her entire world ending and being sexually dissatisfied

Painted Verso for sure, but he also deserves it

It's sad how Lune, Sciel, Monoco and Esquie have basically no say regarding the game's endings

both are sympathetic

Verso is a liar, manipulative, vain sack of shit. He is far from being sympathetic considering all the shit he does in expedition logs and the story in general.

I didn't want to destroy the canvas so badly that I didn't even watch Verso's ending on YT, that's how much I hate the idea

My headcanon is she fixes the facture and leaves after some time

you can think about someone whos long gone while being over it bro, thats what grieving is for.

If your family dies, and you eventually start moving on, does that mean you will never think about them again? They wave her goodbyes so she can finally move on, but they will remain a part of her, forever. Just like Verso

forever painted in our hearts

It's a goodbye to her painted family and mirrors her grief over Verso's tombstone. Which is why they all gommage in her mind's eye as well. It's a visual representation of that world being left behind, while the real Paris looms in the background.

Lune was always my favorite since I saw her playing the guitar, I am suffering.

the painted people are real

So how come Sophie and Clea are so identical hmmm? Strange coincidence for two "real" persons, totally not artificial simulacra created from figments of Aline's imagination totally not

But the Lumierans don’t matter? Did they just wanna trick the player?

Monoco and Esquie

They were in the know and supported Verso's choice.

Dude he is 100% right, Gustave is beckoning at her, there is no culture where someone waves at another person as hell or goodbye by drawing their palm towards themselves.

They wave her goodbyes so she can finally move on

Except Gustave is beckoning to her, not waving.

Esquie and Monoco would want the best for kid Verso, so they'd go ahead.
Sciel and Lune got dropped like a rock after the game decided they don't want to think about them, so the players shouldn't think about them either, we have to focus on the Goebbels family drama.

You can keep pushing this, but no one seems to be agreeing.

Emma is also this face shape, indie game please understand
Also note that the credits do not list face models for these characters, meaning they indeed use generic models

So how come Sophie and Clea are so identical hmmm?

It's just devs being lazy and cutting corners with models (similar to how Tifa is copypasted all over FF7 rebirth). They are completely different characters in terms of personality, voice actress, role in the story, etc.

Sciel is literally random NPC tier. She's lucky if she can even contribute to any random combat encounter.

This, but I think they made it like this by accident. They made the player get too invested in Lumiere for Maelle/Verso to hold any weight.

Your brother died? Boo hoo I was just in Lumiere witnessing 10 000x worse

Monoco and Esquie wanted whatever Painted Verso wanted. They've fully accepted him as their Verso, and they come to terms with their end alongside him. Sciel clearly shows some level of understanding for his choice. Lune acts the pragmatist to the end, sitting outside the dessendre canvas in defiance.
Lune definitely would have wanted the canvas maintained, but if she knew all the facts I doubt she'd want Alicia to die over it because she knows it would eventually lead to the Canvas' demise anyway. She's too smart not to figure that out.

maellefags now convinced themselves that alicia an hero'd for gustave in verso's ending

lmao

after the game decided they don't want to think about them

That's why they get the final character bits in act 3?
Sciel and Lune have already expressed their thoughts on the matter to Verso and their scenes in the ending are the same

upset, but understanding

actually mad

May as well complain esquie doesn't have a say in the matter.

I just watched that video and he's 100% gesturing towards himself, nobody greets like that.

What if a painter paints a painting in which he paints a painting that is intrinsically designed to not incur any of the adverse effects of staying in paintings? And does the time dilation deepen with every layer?

They needed to get you emotionally invested before the rug is pulled, otherwise there would be on impact

The gommage scene at the harbor is so well done I cried like a baby, then again on a rewatch. The vocals just really do me in.

so what if they have agency and free will

so what if op just makes up things to try to shill his position

there is no evidence they have free will or anything resembling souls retard.

tree roots sucking all the expeditioners dry

doesn't explain further

what the fuck was going on there

If she wanted sympathy she should of tried one last dropkick to the barrier before getting erased.
But she didn't and so her opinions are forfeit.

I have more faith in writers because literature facilitates character growth while every art fag is insane and mentally unwell

By the ending you ditch sciel and lune anyway since they suck but monoco and esquie are versos best friends. they will always do what he wants.

decide only to try and live after completing your life's mission

Maybe she could have tried before, but she was too obsessed with her family issues to see it.
I WONDER WHO THIS IS MIRRORING

Looks like you don't want to post it. Who could have seen this coming.

The purpose of Nevrons is to kill Aline's humans and suck their chroma

I'm pretty sure I'm almost done the game, and it definitely seems like there is a fuck ton of stuff that gets dumped at some point because I have no idea what any of you are talking about.

That scene got me too, which is why I’m pissed the Lumierans got tossed away like garbage. They were too hell bent on having a twist, the original premise would’ve been completely fine to follow through fully.

Just make sure you did your character quests before going to the final boss in act 3.

Writers

Yes, why were they mentioned but not expanded upon?

Evidently it has something to do with Painting, I assume that it's leftover hardened Chroma from the battle between Renoir and Aline 67 years before the beginning of the game.

Verso had it coming

so what if they have agency and free will

They don't, as they repeated the expedition suicide mission for several fucking times like predestined puppets

reddit is having the same debates btw
old.reddit.com/r/expedition33/comments/1kliv12/i_think_ending_is_not_as_bad_as_everyone_says/

Though these threads are often downvoted because Versofags are normalfags and thus the majority

They could have stopped Maelle from killing him in the Maelle-ending, but they didn't

to follow through fully.

And it did, act 2 is the generic ending, they go back home and celebrate and that's the end of the game.

Everybode here understands "the aim". But not everybody has enough intelligence to question all the implications writers decided to ignore.

because theyre not real. they do what a painter wants and the only painter left is maelle.

if he has no idea what the fuck we're talking about hes definitely not in act 3 so nice spoiler there bro

I want to le die

Go suicide against a nevron, tard

Noooooo I actually want to kill everyone else too

What a friendly feller

Versofags want you to know that they have "media literacy" and "get" the meaning of the game, thus blindly following the superficially uplifting ending.
If you pay attention you know both endings suck ass

I am the music man
I come from down your way
And I can play
What can you play?
I play piano

Pia-pia-pia-no
Pia-no pia-no
Pia-pia-pia-no
Pia-pia-no

Maelle is literally the demiurge. She calls the shots and they can't do shit. They're puppets.

She turned them into happy mascots who think it's super fine what verso is doing.

Esquie and Monoco being loyal to Verso until the end proves that no one in the painted world has free will

/Thread

i want the last fragment of my soul to go on to death.

uhhh no play the piano lol!

Versofags want you to know that they have "media literacy" and "get" the meaning of the game

Hence the thought terminating reply of "hehe get off the crack"
No fucking shit that's the message they want to push, but they torpedoed the game trying to force it.

It's the Maellefags that are a retarded minority, even here.

More like they were fine with both outcomes, and the choice wasn't theirs to make

and it would have half the staying power.

that changes nothing anon, who cares what she thinks

ywn live in a world controlled by a cute demirge girl

Just about everything out of Verso's mouth is a lie. I don't think we ever hear him utter the truth until he is literally begging Maelle to just kill him lol. He's sympathetic in the sense that he's tortured, but he's a major fucking bastard that tried to fuck over everyone for his own self-interest, all the while criticizing others for the exact same behavior.

Such harsh punishment

oh shit so it's implied Alicia an hero herself?

they know verso wants to die

super hard

but they are fine with him being kept alive by Alicia

At one point you need to understand Alicia is a bad person.

Why couldn't Verso's soul stop painting by itself?

escapism autists who identify with the underaged girl scream the loudest about their objectively wrong opinions

Not a surprise

Can painters actually control the plebs on the canvas? If so, why didn't Aline just control everyone to do her bidding?

It would have more staying power, people are seething at the ending.

In your headcanon yeah it did, samefag

He has to paint because people keep mucking about in his Canvas

She's the only productive member of that family, her opinion outweighs the rest.

What are you even trying to argue? A semblance towards someone else does not mean that someone is not a person. Are identical twins not real people now???

The moment that canvas is empty of any (real) Dessandres that's exactly what he's planning to do. That's why Alicia needed to fuck off

Alicia kills herself in her ending the same way Gustav is beckoning her in that ending.
So she doesn't, and he doesn't

People are seething cause they didn’t get their golden ending and instead the game actually challenged the player beliefs.

And who cares what the shadow of a little kid thinks?

He can't die normally. And none of the mentally ill painters will gommage him

85-115 IQ

Vershomos

115-130IQ

Maelle scholars

130+ IQ

LumiereGAWDs and writerbros

Why should I give a singular shit about the woes of some posh, stuck-up hon hon hons?

I don't think it's saying she killed herself no.
I do think it's implying she's going to follow in Aline's footsteps with a painted Gustave similar to painted Verso though.

She is pretty selfish, but she hasn't mind controlled anyone

that tried to fuck over everyone for his own self-interest

That selfish fuckhead, saving his mothers life is so selfish. Why can't he think of someone else and save them?

except that that analogy was actually really good. the projections of humans in the canvas are not real

If you really think about it, Maelle's ending actually has no downsides
option 1: she fixes the fracture and goes home, everyone happy
option 2: she stays there too long, grows weaker, Renoir comes back and btfo her, she's still fine

Verso's ending is the odd one as it doesn't give anyone any chances, just a complete destruction

the projections of humans in the canvas are not real

You are an idiot.

You are quiet literally in the middle of the bell curve retard.

While there's nothing that points in any direction, it's implied that the effects experienced by Painters are a direct result of using their abilities without leaving the canvas for a period of time. It's suggested that this happens only when painting specifically, but it's also possible that they waste away regardless just at a less accelerated rate. If I had to guess I would say that the time dilation should deepen with each subsequent painting Inception-styled, but I suppose there's no way to know.

this is actually embarrassing

KEEP COPING SAARS

KEEP UP THE COOOOOOPE

Esquie and Monoco being loyal proves only that they are good friends.

whoops forgot image

ESL talking about the middle of the bell curve

Idk they even have god powers. Everyone likes a good underdog story, but who sympathizes with people who live in near eternal paradise that also crush millions of innocent lives on a whim? The painters are such disgusting people, no way the devs thought people would sympathize with them.

Give me the underdog story, the eternal classic.

But this is ignoring that Verso's soul is tired and directly does not want to paint. The moment she even used a weapon at him, that's the moment when you know Maelle cared more about her wants than his own. It's his Canvas so he should have every right to choose what to do with it and the answer was to stop painting.

The canvas was destroyed because the one who was maintaining it, Verso's last bit of soul, didn't want to anymore.

Wow. She was straight up cruel to the kid. He looked so tentatively hopeful reaching out for Verso's hand, then so pitiful when he was stopped. And without even an acknowledgement.

still a filthy paintard, and one that couldn't be fucked to visit Francois

Yes, highest IQ is recorded in non english speaking countries, correct.

so what, when the fuck has Verso ever considered what anyone else wanted?

What if the story isn't a commentary on escapism, but power? Think about it, if the Dessendres did not posses the power they do, none of these shit choices would have to be made and there would be no need to decide the fates of homunculi.

The rights of the Lumierans outweigh Verso’s rights. Sorry, now play

I bet you cry when someone deletes a SimCity file

*hit notes*

plin plin plon

what lumierans? everyone is dead

I'm going to bring them back to life Verso, so if you destroy the painting before I resurrect them you're actually the one killing them

Do Maellefags really?

youtube.com/watch?v=gxEPV4kolz0

It's wildly selfish to damn an entire universe of people in the hopes it helps your junkie mother, yes.

There's like a hundred people left in there anon

I think it implies that Alicia has not let go of Gustave at all, and will try to find a way to unite with him either in death or living the life she wanted in a painting, thus repeating the cycle.

the people in the painting literally arent real

you are retarded

Verso's world, Verso's soul, Verso's rules

His body his choice chudette

You cannot make that statement before you can define reality and then prove that your experience is that.

entire universe of people

What people? you see them all die prior. its just gestrals and nevrons.

Artists aren't supposed to have the power to create worlds in the first place.
Magic-Paris needs some laws against cruelty against fictional people

Cause Renigger killed them

Yes, they are. I chose Verso's ending all the same.

The painting is doomed. It is fucked. Alicia can't save it for long, she can only destroy herself in it. Time to move onto new paintings and Alicia can start her own fantasy world if she likes. But not one where she feels tied to the soul of her dead brother.

open Alicia's ending

outside of Sciel, her husband, Lune, Sophie, Gustave, Monoco, Esquie, and young Verso, everyone is the same two or three people copy pasted

obviously you could assume this is just dev laziness but when Aline was in charge, you had a massive variety of characters during the prologue that you could speak to, both design and personality wise. None of them got to come back to life. Alicia revived the few she cared about and called it a day at that point.

they're all dead

And whos fault is that again?

Time to move onto new paintings

the paintard will refuse to see the inherent immorality of this

Renoir.

the woman is the delusional one in the end

didnt expect this

Not Versos.
Hes not responsible for the lives of people created by his mother to be hostages, and he's not guilty for his father killing them.

I don’t mind bad endings but this setup was so oppressive from the start, it really needed a golden ending.

Conveniently forgetting his whole mission was to help Renoir and he did it by lying to and betraying everyone.

That's not the way the French do things.

it is immoral for what is essentially a deity to create new life

Let me explain it even to the "The canvas people are real" folk. You're trading a civilization for the life of TWO GODS, one of which has according to the game already created hundreds of worlds. They're more than just "two people" and by stopping their addiction to that one canvas, they can go on to create so much more life.

Valiant Hearts was a much better story about a frenchman in the early 1900's

There should be a Gustave ending

Maelle summons Gustave to fight Verso instead

Gustave gets caught up to speed, and tries to talk Maelle into leaving the painting voluntarily to support her real parents

Maelle spergs out and accuses Gustave of betraying her

Gustave fights Maelle and kicks her out of the painting

Verso tries to end the painting now that Maelle is gone

Gustave stops him, and urges him to believe Maelle will make the right choice and everyone will come back to fix the painting.

Survivors return to the city to wait, we see the world fixing itself just before the credits roll

No, it was simply set up for making a hard choice that screws innocent people one way or another. Like life.

You're right. Esquie and Monoco killed them all by not warning the party about Verso, a known traitor. How could I forget?

Also true, but they're forgiven because they're dogs.

Esquie isn't a dog.

The choice was not that meaningful, pretty low stakes actually

He serves the same purpose.

That world is fucked. It is doomed. Everyone would like to save the people there but it cannot happen and will not happen because Alicia and Aline cannot stay out. They will die, everyone will die.

If we save the TWO GODS, they can create new worlds that won't be blown apart due to grief and obsession.

Only if you believe those in the canvas are not real. I believe they are, but I still agree with Renoir and Verso

his whole mission was to help Renoir

The mission he betrayed by helping the expedition?
You need to stop skimming the story zoom zoom

Even if it were just gestrals, it would still be wrong. That also forgets that Alicia can simply remake the people, and additionally assumes there are absolutely NO humans that were hiding or still alive.

You forgot the part where Renoir will destroy the canvas the moment she leaves, and will not be convinced otherwise.

Not at all.

Anyone that recently died Alicia can just bring back with their Chroma, as she did with Sciel and Lune

You can't be serious.

simply remake the people,

kinda like theyre not real then...

You forgot the part where Renoir will destroy the canvas the moment she leaves, and will not be convinced otherwise.

You're right, because I didn't play the version of the game with your delusions included
Renoir was willing to give Alicia a chance at the end, and she immediately fucked it up

Confirmed for not playing the fucking game retard