Name the franchise

Detroit Metal City.

On one end Mainland Chinese only have to learn 3,500 characters while taiwanese and hong kongers have to learn 8,500
On the other hand each simplified character has multiple sounds while traditional is (99% of the time) one character, one sound.
Also simplified can't read anything older than 50 years while traditional users can read shit from 2000 years ago

ma horse is amazing

lol
:)

Donuts Meatloaf Coffee

Simplified Chinese

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Simplified Chinese, Japanese

KONICHIIWA!

13.
When I played that piece of shit, heard the devs say "yeah this is what we want to do now, 13 is what the serie will look like from now on" and finally the zoomoids and faggots make 10 pages essai about how 13 is the best game in the franchise, that's when I knew it was time to fuck off and never touch this serie again.
Since then, every time they shit a new one I look into it, watch people play it, only to confirm that I was right to never touch that shit ever again.

Why is the japanese character in bold?

ancient chinese history in wikis like baidu were in simplified characters

On the contrary, simplified learners can deduce traditional words, while those who learned traditional have trouble reading simplified.
t. chink who talked to taiwanese

It's an abstract concept anonymous
The character is 郁 and 抑郁症 is clinical depression in Chinese

Fallout 1 and 2 vs Fallout 3 and 4

Simplified characters is more aesthetic than traditional characters, which tend to look like amorphous ink blots more than anything legible. Not only that, most simplified characters (or at least, most of the commonly used ones) can be traced back to ancient calligraphy, which is cool in my eyes. And no, writing a bajillion strokes every time you want to write out “horse” is torture.

One great thing about simplified Chinese is that it can immediately tell you what kinds of products to avoid

obvious counterpoint

The final straw? 13 without a doubt

Utsu is at least easy to remember because it’s so much more complicated than every other common kanji. The real killers are the 1500 unmemorable kanji that show up in one word each and are all read sei or shou or kan or ketsu or kei or kou or sei or setsu or kyuu or shuu

The japanese character didn't look good either, in this case the traditional character won out.

while traditional is (99% of the time) one character, one sound

How? There aren't 8500 unique sounds.

There might as well be with tonal bullshit.

1500 unmemorable kanji that show up in one word each and are all read sei or shou or kan or ketsu or kei or kou or sei or setsu or kyuu or shuu

Thanks for reminding me chineese is retarded

Were the off-topic Anon Babble posters from last thread banned or something?

Wtf no it's the opposite

I've learned 0 traditional text yet I can read comfortably Taiwanese text no problem. The Taiwanese I talked with say they just can't figure out what the simplified words are supposed to mean.
I met some Japanese as well, they can't understand simplified east 东 yet I know traditional east 東.

System Shock 2 and Bioshock.

How difficult is Chinese to learn?

text is easy
speaking is impossible

You need to learn the 4 tones, and cantonese is 6.

Don't learn Cantonese, it creates mustard gas.

13

most chinks speak Mandarin badly, since most of them have their own dialect and only the writing system unites them, so yo will just be another foreigner (white) who speaks bad Mando

Battlefield.

GTA4 to GTA5

SOVL >> soulless

the writing reform was started by nationalists, btw, they just never adopted it because commies won the won, sore losers

Japanese uses traditional 99% of the time faggot

They did it because of China's literary rate at the time, but turns out Taiwan didn't have this problem after all.

Imagine liking modern woke simplified logo design
Brain dead zoomer shit

This is cope. It's well documented that going from traditional to simplified is easier. You are a mainltvhink trying to save face

Writing is impossible
Tones are impossible
T.hsk5 after 3 years living in china and studying 2 hours a day

simplified chinese

woke

zoomer

???

Just my personal experience, not trying to be confrontational. I don't even care about mainland anymore because I can't even go there without a visa.

The ccp were literally woke and Mao was a feminist unironically
So of course they redesigned their language to be like woke minimalist corporate shit

Bait

Other than Kanji, how complex is Japanese? Would it be anywhere as infamous if it was written wholly with Hiragana or Katakana?

Its' an entirely alien language compared to English, so it is about as hard to learn as possible, but at least it is multisyllabic and not tonal like chink.
If it weren't for anime, it would only be famous for being hard to learn.

People hated Anon for telling the truth. And the truth is that standardizing languages is a good practice. For example, the Soviets have completely eradicated dialects within the Russian language, so it's the same from Karelia to Vladivostok and everyone can understand each other.

Korean is the closest Langue to Jap, and it got rid of their Kanji (hanja). Still, nobody ever says it is easy to learn, just language fags glazing the Hangul alphabet for being crated by fellow linguists.

so it's the same from Karelia to Vladivostok and everyone can understand each other.

This isn't the case in China is it?

What does the image say? Are the litters in simplified Chinese?

I don't think so. For one, there is no single Chinese language, there are Mandarin and Cantonese. And they in turn have their own dialects. Why are you asking?

LMAO no
Chinese are separate language groups, not dialect, completely different like German to Greek, they are just politically united and use the same writing system... much like Europe when they used Latin for all the important gov. and science shit.
Korea/Japan/Vietnam was part of that "system," where their own elites spoke their own regional version of classical Chinese, no one in China proper spoke for hundreds of years.

and everyone can understand each other

Unless they come from some part of the country where Russian is but one of the spoken languages and never properly learned Russian.

Korean gets much less of an "impossiburu!" rep than Japanese, and yeah, no Kanji (or Hanja, as the Koreans call them - they used to use them to and they still appear in some limited contexts) is a big part of why that is. Korean and Japanese have very similar grammar, a similar honorific system, and both take vocab from Chinese, though I think Korean has significantly more than Japanese. Japanese pronunciation is easier, from what I've heard. So I think if Japanese was only Kana, it would be considered a lot easier, though still difficult for Westerners.

I meant grammatically, how complex is it?

it's fairly simple, no genders or complex tenses, but it's just different, not part of the Indo-European language tree... and some people just have a hard time bridging that gap as an entirely new system they are not used to

Cantonese is only famous because of immigrants in US working on the railroad, in China they have:

Mandarin

Shanghainese

Suzhounese

Wenzhounese

Cantonese

Taishanese

Hokkien

Teochew Min

Hainanese

Leizhou Min

Hai Lok Hong Min

And many more.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_China

Canto is famous because of HK cinema, but yeah, most Chinese immigrants in US came from that area.
youtu.be/E4jsI2eskmk

Not even all mandarin speakers can understand each other, and there are hundereds of millions of people who speak other languages.

I said nothing about any standardizing, though? I just like the way they look. And Chinese writing has already been standardized for thousands of years and yet coexisted with numerous dialects that are functionally separate languages.

He said nothing about it being easier or harder,
so not only are you bad at following and formulating arguments, but you're also illiterate.

The components of kanji have their own relatively consistent meanings, making it easy to build up mnemonics to remember kanji meanings until they fix themselves into your memory.

What are the chances for the moon rune countries to officially romanize their shit in the future?

zero

learning to read simplified and traditional

only learning to write simplified

Fellow Chinese learning brainlets, are we gonna make it?
Too small brained to remember all the strokes for 聼 when the simplified 听 is so much easier.

chinks already use pinyin (phonetics based on roman letters) to teach kids how to pronounce the characters and Romaji is already supported in Japan to the extant you can type Japnese in roman letters to comminutae with anyone... it's just another alphabet they have to learn as part of their educational system

And both are retarded, Phoenicians have been using phonetic alphabets 3000 years ago and everyone in the mediterranean was clever enough to take notes

Chinks use pinyin to get the chars they want on their phones and computers. This is slowly eroding their ability to actually write these characters themselves by hand. Alphabets or syllabaries just have a ton of advantages in the information age. I wouldn't be surprised if the Japs abandoned Kanji at some point. China, probably a lot more resistance.

Biosock

Japan have more words that sound the same though, and unlike chinese they didn't have tones to differentiate them.

Hopefully zero. They already have Katakana, which is perfectly valid for writing. The Latin script is nice, but it's overused, and sometimes unfitting to the language (English and Polish are examples of that).

same for Korean and they got rid of their chink letters and they are fine
it is a shame though IMO, you lose the elegance of complex logography and their rich cultural history

if the Japs abandoned Kanji

That would've been nice. Imagine memorizing all that crap.

Polish

lmao, papist slav(es) will never use cyrillic

The hard part is really how simple it is, the grammar is so loose that there's no part of the sentence that's mandatory so you have to infer missing parts of sentences. And there's no future tense, there's just past tense and not-past tense. And there are two different kinds of adjectives but actually neither are really adjectives and they're just special nouns and verbs.

damn that's whack
i keep watching this vlogger that spent 7yrs in shanghai and he has no issue with the language or something and doesn't look like he put that much work in it either but then he's seems gifted with languages

Japs will never abandon Kanji, nobody want to be the first gen to write like children and retards.

it's the little things. like counters. still preferable than learning the gender of each individual noun for German. I wouldn't recommend you learning either unless you plan to live in those countries.

the grammar is so loose that there's no part of the sentence that's mandatory so you have to infer missing parts of sentences

And there's no future tense, there's just past tense and not-past tense

Somewhat reminds me of Finnish.

people really overestimate the use of romaji in Japanese. in 5 years of actively engaging with the language, I must have seen in like 5 times.

it's an agglutinative language just like Finnish, Turkish and Korean

I wouldn't be surprised if the Japs abandoned Kanji at some point.

I mean, most Japs CAN read and write in Romanji, they just don't because why would you?

What's the joke? I think I remember reading in the part that without Kanji, you wouldn't be able to tell where words start and end. Is that it?

part

*past

you don't need the 4th and 5th panel

BUT LOOK AT THIS SILLY KANJI-LESS WORDPLAY EXAMPLE

meanwhile the entire spoken Japanese

Japan will adopt the roman alphabet for their language in due time.

The joke is that that sentence uses wani 6 times and I don't which usage is which homonym.

Japs write things without using kanji all the time and they just put spaces between the words like sane people

Wait wait. This is how you write dragon in Japanese kanji? Haha what. I thought they used the trad character.

Yep, but I'm guessing there's also some ambiguity with whether the はs should be read as "ha" or "wa" to mark the topic

It's just silly to demand ~100 million people to change their entire culture just because you find Kanji too hard, it filters most japs too.
The only way it will happen is due to a revolutionary change, and they missed that chance last century.
They are slowly declining.

people who say shit like this haven't actually tried to learn the language for more than a month. like you have no idea how retarded you sound. it's like me saying they should remove vowels from the English language. that's the level of retardation we're talking about.

just switch the nouns from Kanji to Katakana. Boom, problem solved

it works for Hebrew and Arab, lmao

Its the

buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.

Of japanese

wh nt? j cn ndrstnd m, dn't j?

Jap literature now reads like an edgy light novel

neat

Look at all of this shit
unixuser.org/~euske/doc/niwatori/index.html

So a silly edge case?

Tomb Raider

It's an extreme example to show why they still use kanji and will never not use it.

1. Can Cantonese and Mandarin speakers understand each other?
2. What’s the language of instruction in the universities in the Mandarin and Cantonese parts of China?
3. What’s the language spoken in the Chinese military?
4. What percentage of Cantonese and Mandarin speakers know Mandarin and Cantonese respectively?

Those languages are built different. Arabic only has like 3 vowels, meanwhile English has atleast 10

Japan is more likely to adapt simplified chinese characters than latin alphabet if China rises in power and America in decline.

I met some Japanese as well, they can't understand simplified east 东 yet I know traditional east 東.

Simplified in this specific case seems harder to write or recognize.

But if all those sentences sound the same, then how do people tell them apart when speaking? Also spaces between characters would help a lot. You could probably find some examples of similar silliness in English if you remove spaces between words.

They'll get over it. Historically Katakana was used like how Hiragana is used today

They always are. As another Anon said, Korean is doing fine, though, for example, 말 can mean end, horse, word, language, fortune, and more. Context is enough is usually enough in 95 % of cases so no misunderstanding occurs, but in the cases where it does, you can explain, or if all else fails, Koreans do sometimes add the Hanja in parentheses (usually in newspapers or academic literature). That still reduces the number of Choinese noodlerunes you need to learn by a vast amount and it means you can function well in the overwhelming majority of situations without them.

Can Cantonese and Mandarin speakers understand each other

No. The choice of words aren't even the same.

Delusional, they will remain part of the US sphere along with Korea + Aussies, China has done the greatest job of alienating their former imperial vassals.
They will trade of course, but other asians just trust chinks less than Burgers.

Korea literally did it, and no, it's not like removing vowels, you tard. If you think Japanese can't be written in Kana only, you don't know anything. There'd have to be adjustments, but that's a given.

It's kind of losing battle to try and argue how a language could be improved, when you've got so many people being "fine enough" with the way things are

It's a dumb argument because uncommon nouns are written in kana most of the time anyway. The real reason Japanese shouldn't get rid of kanji is because they're cool and languages aren't supposed to be strictly utilitarian.

Context, pitch accent, and Japanese people do pause a lot when speaking.

The truth is, they don't sound the same. Japanese has accents that highlight different syllables of nouns. As far as I was explained, it's like stresses but lighter.

I agree on spaces, though.

It would be harder to recognize if they're not exposed to it as often

Trump is making it worse though

Korea only did it because the population was illiterate anyway and the country was divided and destroyed completely in the war.
Even now you still have Korean boomers complaining about not using Hanja.

Pretty sure plenty of languages have examples of context being key, and it's usually not a big deal
Like pic related, kuusi palaa most commonly would either mean spruce being on fire, or six pieces, everything else is a funny way to interpret it due to the words involved

True, but he will be gone.
Biden doubled down on anti-china shit and so will Trump's successor.
It's hard to separate those countries from the ZOG-baking system that rebuilt East Asia after the war.

They're cool and they're really not that hard to drill yourself into knowing.
t. gone through 1700 kanji on Anki already.