Name the franchise
Keep it Vidya related
Name the franchise
SOVL
soulless
Final Fantasy.
all of them
But which final fantasies specifically?
When was the final straw?
That one image that was spammed a lot that originally was FPS game maps then with DOOM FPS maps now with a line and later got renamed for various other shit
kanji is so easy, mountain is 山 which looks just like a mountain
鬱 is depression btw
can you explain depression?
it's complicated
even japs know its BS and usually write it as kana
XIII
Devil May Cry 4
DmC: Devil May Cry
What does DmC even mean?
Detroit Metal City.
On one end Mainland Chinese only have to learn 3,500 characters while taiwanese and hong kongers have to learn 8,500
On the other hand each simplified character has multiple sounds while traditional is (99% of the time) one character, one sound.
Also simplified can't read anything older than 50 years while traditional users can read shit from 2000 years ago
ma horse is amazing
lol
:)
Donuts Meatloaf Coffee
Simplified Chinese
...
Simplified Chinese, Japanese
KONICHIIWA!
13.
When I played that piece of shit, heard the devs say "yeah this is what we want to do now, 13 is what the serie will look like from now on" and finally the zoomoids and faggots make 10 pages essai about how 13 is the best game in the franchise, that's when I knew it was time to fuck off and never touch this serie again.
Since then, every time they shit a new one I look into it, watch people play it, only to confirm that I was right to never touch that shit ever again.
Why is the japanese character in bold?
ancient chinese history in wikis like baidu were in simplified characters
On the contrary, simplified learners can deduce traditional words, while those who learned traditional have trouble reading simplified.
t. chink who talked to taiwanese
It's an abstract concept anonymous
The character is 郁 and 抑郁症 is clinical depression in Chinese
Fallout 1 and 2 vs Fallout 3 and 4
Simplified characters is more aesthetic than traditional characters, which tend to look like amorphous ink blots more than anything legible. Not only that, most simplified characters (or at least, most of the commonly used ones) can be traced back to ancient calligraphy, which is cool in my eyes. And no, writing a bajillion strokes every time you want to write out “horse” is torture.
One great thing about simplified Chinese is that it can immediately tell you what kinds of products to avoid
obvious counterpoint
The final straw? 13 without a doubt
Utsu is at least easy to remember because it’s so much more complicated than every other common kanji. The real killers are the 1500 unmemorable kanji that show up in one word each and are all read sei or shou or kan or ketsu or kei or kou or sei or setsu or kyuu or shuu
The japanese character didn't look good either, in this case the traditional character won out.
while traditional is (99% of the time) one character, one sound
How? There aren't 8500 unique sounds.
There might as well be with tonal bullshit.
1500 unmemorable kanji that show up in one word each and are all read sei or shou or kan or ketsu or kei or kou or sei or setsu or kyuu or shuu
Thanks for reminding me chineese is retarded
Were the off-topic Anon Babble posters from last thread banned or something?
Wtf no it's the opposite
I've learned 0 traditional text yet I can read comfortably Taiwanese text no problem. The Taiwanese I talked with say they just can't figure out what the simplified words are supposed to mean.
I met some Japanese as well, they can't understand simplified east 东 yet I know traditional east 東.
System Shock 2 and Bioshock.
How difficult is Chinese to learn?
text is easy
speaking is impossible
You need to learn the 4 tones, and cantonese is 6.
Don't learn Cantonese, it creates mustard gas.
13
most chinks speak Mandarin badly, since most of them have their own dialect and only the writing system unites them, so yo will just be another foreigner (white) who speaks bad Mando
Battlefield.
GTA4 to GTA5
SOVL >> soulless
the writing reform was started by nationalists, btw, they just never adopted it because commies won the won, sore losers
Japanese uses traditional 99% of the time faggot
They did it because of China's literary rate at the time, but turns out Taiwan didn't have this problem after all.
Imagine liking modern woke simplified logo design
Brain dead zoomer shit
This is cope. It's well documented that going from traditional to simplified is easier. You are a mainltvhink trying to save face
Writing is impossible
Tones are impossible
T.hsk5 after 3 years living in china and studying 2 hours a day
simplified chinese
woke
zoomer
???
Just my personal experience, not trying to be confrontational. I don't even care about mainland anymore because I can't even go there without a visa.
The ccp were literally woke and Mao was a feminist unironically
So of course they redesigned their language to be like woke minimalist corporate shit
Bait
Other than Kanji, how complex is Japanese? Would it be anywhere as infamous if it was written wholly with Hiragana or Katakana?
Its' an entirely alien language compared to English, so it is about as hard to learn as possible, but at least it is multisyllabic and not tonal like chink.
If it weren't for anime, it would only be famous for being hard to learn.
People hated Anon for telling the truth. And the truth is that standardizing languages is a good practice. For example, the Soviets have completely eradicated dialects within the Russian language, so it's the same from Karelia to Vladivostok and everyone can understand each other.
Korean is the closest Langue to Jap, and it got rid of their Kanji (hanja). Still, nobody ever says it is easy to learn, just language fags glazing the Hangul alphabet for being crated by fellow linguists.
so it's the same from Karelia to Vladivostok and everyone can understand each other.
This isn't the case in China is it?
What does the image say? Are the litters in simplified Chinese?
I don't think so. For one, there is no single Chinese language, there are Mandarin and Cantonese. And they in turn have their own dialects. Why are you asking?
LMAO no
Chinese are separate language groups, not dialect, completely different like German to Greek, they are just politically united and use the same writing system... much like Europe when they used Latin for all the important gov. and science shit.
Korea/Japan/Vietnam was part of that "system," where their own elites spoke their own regional version of classical Chinese, no one in China proper spoke for hundreds of years.
and everyone can understand each other
Unless they come from some part of the country where Russian is but one of the spoken languages and never properly learned Russian.
Korean gets much less of an "impossiburu!" rep than Japanese, and yeah, no Kanji (or Hanja, as the Koreans call them - they used to use them to and they still appear in some limited contexts) is a big part of why that is. Korean and Japanese have very similar grammar, a similar honorific system, and both take vocab from Chinese, though I think Korean has significantly more than Japanese. Japanese pronunciation is easier, from what I've heard. So I think if Japanese was only Kana, it would be considered a lot easier, though still difficult for Westerners.
I meant grammatically, how complex is it?
it's fairly simple, no genders or complex tenses, but it's just different, not part of the Indo-European language tree... and some people just have a hard time bridging that gap as an entirely new system they are not used to
Cantonese is only famous because of immigrants in US working on the railroad, in China they have:
Mandarin
Shanghainese
Suzhounese
Wenzhounese
Cantonese
Taishanese
Hokkien
Teochew Min
Hainanese
Leizhou Min
Hai Lok Hong Min
And many more.
en.wikipedia.org
Canto is famous because of HK cinema, but yeah, most Chinese immigrants in US came from that area.
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Not even all mandarin speakers can understand each other, and there are hundereds of millions of people who speak other languages.
I said nothing about any standardizing, though? I just like the way they look. And Chinese writing has already been standardized for thousands of years and yet coexisted with numerous dialects that are functionally separate languages.
He said nothing about it being easier or harder,
so not only are you bad at following and formulating arguments, but you're also illiterate.
The components of kanji have their own relatively consistent meanings, making it easy to build up mnemonics to remember kanji meanings until they fix themselves into your memory.
What are the chances for the moon rune countries to officially romanize their shit in the future?
zero
learning to read simplified and traditional
only learning to write simplified
Fellow Chinese learning brainlets, are we gonna make it?
Too small brained to remember all the strokes for 聼 when the simplified 听 is so much easier.
chinks already use pinyin (phonetics based on roman letters) to teach kids how to pronounce the characters and Romaji is already supported in Japan to the extant you can type Japnese in roman letters to comminutae with anyone... it's just another alphabet they have to learn as part of their educational system
And both are retarded, Phoenicians have been using phonetic alphabets 3000 years ago and everyone in the mediterranean was clever enough to take notes
Chinks use pinyin to get the chars they want on their phones and computers. This is slowly eroding their ability to actually write these characters themselves by hand. Alphabets or syllabaries just have a ton of advantages in the information age. I wouldn't be surprised if the Japs abandoned Kanji at some point. China, probably a lot more resistance.
Biosock
Japan have more words that sound the same though, and unlike chinese they didn't have tones to differentiate them.
Hopefully zero. They already have Katakana, which is perfectly valid for writing. The Latin script is nice, but it's overused, and sometimes unfitting to the language (English and Polish are examples of that).
same for Korean and they got rid of their chink letters and they are fine
it is a shame though IMO, you lose the elegance of complex logography and their rich cultural history
if the Japs abandoned Kanji
That would've been nice. Imagine memorizing all that crap.
Polish
lmao, papist slav(es) will never use cyrillic
The hard part is really how simple it is, the grammar is so loose that there's no part of the sentence that's mandatory so you have to infer missing parts of sentences. And there's no future tense, there's just past tense and not-past tense. And there are two different kinds of adjectives but actually neither are really adjectives and they're just special nouns and verbs.
damn that's whack
i keep watching this vlogger that spent 7yrs in shanghai and he has no issue with the language or something and doesn't look like he put that much work in it either but then he's seems gifted with languages
Japs will never abandon Kanji, nobody want to be the first gen to write like children and retards.
it's the little things. like counters. still preferable than learning the gender of each individual noun for German. I wouldn't recommend you learning either unless you plan to live in those countries.
the grammar is so loose that there's no part of the sentence that's mandatory so you have to infer missing parts of sentences
And there's no future tense, there's just past tense and not-past tense
Somewhat reminds me of Finnish.
people really overestimate the use of romaji in Japanese. in 5 years of actively engaging with the language, I must have seen in like 5 times.
it's an agglutinative language just like Finnish, Turkish and Korean
I wouldn't be surprised if the Japs abandoned Kanji at some point.
I mean, most Japs CAN read and write in Romanji, they just don't because why would you?
What's the joke? I think I remember reading in the part that without Kanji, you wouldn't be able to tell where words start and end. Is that it?
part
*past
you don't need the 4th and 5th panel
BUT LOOK AT THIS SILLY KANJI-LESS WORDPLAY EXAMPLE
meanwhile the entire spoken Japanese
Japan will adopt the roman alphabet for their language in due time.
The joke is that that sentence uses wani 6 times and I don't which usage is which homonym.
Japs write things without using kanji all the time and they just put spaces between the words like sane people
Wait wait. This is how you write dragon in Japanese kanji? Haha what. I thought they used the trad character.
Yep, but I'm guessing there's also some ambiguity with whether the はs should be read as "ha" or "wa" to mark the topic
It's just silly to demand ~100 million people to change their entire culture just because you find Kanji too hard, it filters most japs too.
The only way it will happen is due to a revolutionary change, and they missed that chance last century.
They are slowly declining.
people who say shit like this haven't actually tried to learn the language for more than a month. like you have no idea how retarded you sound. it's like me saying they should remove vowels from the English language. that's the level of retardation we're talking about.
just switch the nouns from Kanji to Katakana. Boom, problem solved
it works for Hebrew and Arab, lmao
Its the
buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.
Of japanese
wh nt? j cn ndrstnd m, dn't j?
Jap literature now reads like an edgy light novel
neat
Look at all of this shit
unixuser.org
So a silly edge case?
Tomb Raider
It's an extreme example to show why they still use kanji and will never not use it.
1. Can Cantonese and Mandarin speakers understand each other?
2. What’s the language of instruction in the universities in the Mandarin and Cantonese parts of China?
3. What’s the language spoken in the Chinese military?
4. What percentage of Cantonese and Mandarin speakers know Mandarin and Cantonese respectively?
Those languages are built different. Arabic only has like 3 vowels, meanwhile English has atleast 10
Japan is more likely to adapt simplified chinese characters than latin alphabet if China rises in power and America in decline.
I met some Japanese as well, they can't understand simplified east 东 yet I know traditional east 東.
Simplified in this specific case seems harder to write or recognize.
But if all those sentences sound the same, then how do people tell them apart when speaking? Also spaces between characters would help a lot. You could probably find some examples of similar silliness in English if you remove spaces between words.
They'll get over it. Historically Katakana was used like how Hiragana is used today
They always are. As another Anon said, Korean is doing fine, though, for example, 말 can mean end, horse, word, language, fortune, and more. Context is enough is usually enough in 95 % of cases so no misunderstanding occurs, but in the cases where it does, you can explain, or if all else fails, Koreans do sometimes add the Hanja in parentheses (usually in newspapers or academic literature). That still reduces the number of Choinese noodlerunes you need to learn by a vast amount and it means you can function well in the overwhelming majority of situations without them.
Can Cantonese and Mandarin speakers understand each other
No. The choice of words aren't even the same.
Delusional, they will remain part of the US sphere along with Korea + Aussies, China has done the greatest job of alienating their former imperial vassals.
They will trade of course, but other asians just trust chinks less than Burgers.
Korea literally did it, and no, it's not like removing vowels, you tard. If you think Japanese can't be written in Kana only, you don't know anything. There'd have to be adjustments, but that's a given.
It's kind of losing battle to try and argue how a language could be improved, when you've got so many people being "fine enough" with the way things are
It's a dumb argument because uncommon nouns are written in kana most of the time anyway. The real reason Japanese shouldn't get rid of kanji is because they're cool and languages aren't supposed to be strictly utilitarian.
Context, pitch accent, and Japanese people do pause a lot when speaking.
The truth is, they don't sound the same. Japanese has accents that highlight different syllables of nouns. As far as I was explained, it's like stresses but lighter.
I agree on spaces, though.
It would be harder to recognize if they're not exposed to it as often
Trump is making it worse though
Korea only did it because the population was illiterate anyway and the country was divided and destroyed completely in the war.
Even now you still have Korean boomers complaining about not using Hanja.
Pretty sure plenty of languages have examples of context being key, and it's usually not a big deal
Like pic related, kuusi palaa most commonly would either mean spruce being on fire, or six pieces, everything else is a funny way to interpret it due to the words involved
True, but he will be gone.
Biden doubled down on anti-china shit and so will Trump's successor.
It's hard to separate those countries from the ZOG-baking system that rebuilt East Asia after the war.
They're cool and they're really not that hard to drill yourself into knowing.
t. gone through 1700 kanji on Anki already.
Wokeism is cultural Marxism, so other forms of communism are also woke by default.
Intonation, rhythm, and context.
crusty boomers and AUTISTS wants you to suffer as they suffered
Your moon returns
90 % of boomers will be dead in 10 years, who cares.
Context is key in all languages, otherwise communication would be so cumbersome language wouldn't offer any net benefit. That's also the reason why puns exist in all languages. Homophones/-graphs/ are only a problem when little or no context is available, which is almost never the case. Else, spoken Japanese wouldn't work as is because they got rid of the tones that Chinese uses to differentiate between all the different homographs.
By 2028 Chinese chips would have caught up with those of the West, and Chinese companies will still demand more chips and they’ll buy from Japan. Japan won’t join America’s chip embargo of China.
This example is basically just homonyms.
But case and inflection system would be enough to blow an EOP's mind.
I'm guessing that moon also experienced plenty of fire
That implies the Japanese are logical and not run by LDP boomers raised since birth on imperialist nationalism and anti-china, anti-CCP hate.
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No
2
Mandarin
3
Mandarin
4
No clear numbers but most Young to Middle aged Cantonese will understand Mandarin, while not even 1% of Mandarin speakers would understand Cantonese
Is Cantonese kill?
Turns out literacy rate is only related to education. Also complex characters are harder to write but easier to identify.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Japs abandoned Kanji at some point. China, probably a lot more resistance.
Anon, they are both using the characters today because there was fairly strong resistance to dropping them completely, which both governments wanted to do.
Chinese simplifications were devised as a way to enable mass literacy by Mao. They were supposed to go down the path of Vietnamese. Simplified things further and when issues arise, fill the blanks with pinyin until nothing but Pinyin remained.
But education caught up first and the masses of literate people were against dropping it further, so even the dictator had to admit defeat.
Same story in Japan. They wanted to drop kanji for much the same reason/assumptions (the idea that they're incompatible with modern tech like typewriters, plus make achieving full literacy impossible) but there like in China the romaji-only newspapers or further modifications of kana didn't go anywhere because once again their education actually got them to full literacy and the literate population was against erasing said part of the culture.
Vietnamese and Koreans never got their population truly literate in characters and so in turn the populace didn't object to removing them forever.
In Vietnamese case by a Frenchification policy (cutting the characters made sure they could no longer read and share ideas with the rest of Sinosphere and was meant to be a stepping stone to teaching nothing but French in school), in North Korea because of muhRevolution (communist anti-traditionalism) and in South Korea because of a politician who got free reign for long enough to ensure the characters disappeared from public life/newspaper/etc completely because he disliked them.
no
Both Path of Exile and Diablo
Are the litters in simplified Chinese?
yes. probably implying it was all mainlander littering in hk
this
tones are literally artificial difficulty, fuck this gay language
he can't CHONG or even CHING
lol filtered
Absolutely no Japanese native uses romaji to write Japanese. ローマ字 literally means "Roman characters". It's not special Japanese phonetic system, it's just a way to designate the Latin alphabet.
I like kanji because it filters the majority of weebs.
Absolutely no Japanese native uses romaji to write Japanese
90% of Japs with a computer do. But it's nihonsiki, not hepburn faggotry.
Sometimes I type tu instead of tsu and it makes me feel like a shoushinshoumei nipponjin
Learning is good for your brain.
shou
It's syou, you son of a pig.
The Latin script is nice, but it's overused, and sometimes unfitting to the language (English and Polish are examples of that).
what script would english use if not latin?
Nordic Runes or Shavian I guess?
ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ ᛏᚩ ᚠᚢᚦᚪᚱᚳ
guess he meas shit like this from medieval english
Didn't the mainland chinese gamers get butthurt at some game for having traditional chinese characters in its language?
do chinks need a reason to get butthurt
nope
China will always be third world
Technically, it's the 2nd world, still "commie."
It's a developed country pretending to be developing because it lets them pollute and not care about things like that making cheap shit
cope mutt
China will always be third world.
2 more weeks and they still will be
Thanks for breaking it down like that. You've convinced me.
NOOOOOOO DIDN'T YOU SEE THE LEDS, CHINA IS ADVANCED
China literally has the same standard of living and wages as Mexico but with a less advanced economy.
Amerifat cope
China and the USSR were rivals, which was why China had friendlier relations with America after the 1970's.
For example, the Soviets have completely eradicated dialects within the Russian language, so it's the same from Karelia to Vladivostok and everyone can understand each other.
That sounds horrid. Not the "everyone understands" part, but rather that the dialects were "eradicated".
Retarded take. Not only will Japan never be friends with China (unless they over throw their current government) but Latin would be easier than full Kanji Japanese[sjis][/sjis]
My third world shithole has big buildings!
Can't drink the water
Can't breath the air
Can't eat the food
People piss and shit in the street
People have to work 60 hour weeks to make 1/7th what Americans make
But pretty building!
Yes it is compared to
This isn't hard to read at all though, dumbass.
Yes Chang and there are parts of Africa that look nice with filters on too
that's commies for ya
not that the czars were any less cruel, but at least they mostly let the non-whites alone as long they were loyal
Simple.
Mao destroyed the forests of China in order to replant the same 3 trees throughout the country so that way all scenery was the same for each ethnic group. It lead to ecological collapse and desertification
Uhoh, CIA melty.
If you want a proper state you want to make sure people all speak the same language. Europeans were doing the same thing back in the day and the Chinese are doing it now.
kanji isn't needed
receive pictures of mango for next manga award
Say a third world shithole is a third world shithole
Commie Chang seethes
Oh so nothing compared to what China spends
Japanese is a retarded system. Either go full Chinese characters or go full phonetic. It's the worst of both worlds currently making it harder to read than either language system.
Mexico and China have the same standard of living. Yet it's only Chinese that pay shills to pretend their country isn't a shithole
filters latin script users with latin characters
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It's not difficult to remember.
What extension is that
"Wanting a proper state" made out of every culture in Siberia and East Europe ought to have been a nonstarter to begin with, but the Soviets sure had some determination.
this character is already 26 strokes, this is getting out of hand
we're already this deep let's add some more just because
Chinese people are such jokesters
All Chinese sounds could be converted into only 300 characters. This would include each sound along with every variation from tones.
B-BUT MEANING
Simplified already combines meaning so if this were an issue then they should have kept with traditional.
decorative strokes
10ten
It always baffled me why China settled on such an elaborate writing system. Most English characters by comparison are three, maybe 4 strokes at most. Can you imagine being in China seeing a doctor and you're standing there for like ten minutes while he writes a script that's ten letters long?
Kanji was always as much about aesthetics as it was about function.
I reckon literacy was something more the nobles and higher ups did, so they just wanted to be fancy while at it
Not too much to do back then, so form took over function
Right up to the 19th century, most of the population could not write or read much, literacy was simply not necessary when 90% of the humans ever were simple subsistence farmers.
The elites using the writing systems could get as whimsical and complicated as they wanted since they had al the time in the world.
Hey, at least they developed a script. The Finns didn't have written history until some guy decided to translate the Bible to their language.
China is just Ancient Egypt that never died.
I was speaking more of the core Russian Territory where the dialects was already close. The policy would of course been different in constituent republics that each spoke their own language
Chinese script is elaborate, but it can always be much worse
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Neither did any other Euros, "Roman" alphabet is Phoenician, Semitic people descended from Sumerians.
Difficult unless you have a reason to learn it like every language. Mao didn't even bother. He spoke only in his native Shaoshanese.
Canto is culturally significant because along with Teochew/Chiuchow it preserves more of the original sounds of the original Chinese language. Mandarin was at one point the language of the court, but it was the result of multiple conquests in the north, whereas southern China was further away and harder to conquer so the original language was better preserved.
By Mao's day, Mandarin was more of a 'common tongue' whereas having knowledge of native dialects were still seen to have more prestige and distinction.
It's quite interesting. At one point in history one of the official Chinese languages was manchu (pic rel) during the Qing dynasty.
When you start learning traditional Chinese characters, you get the sense that it itself is a standardized/simplified version of something older, because a lot of the characters are ridiculously systemically put together ideogrammatically, suggesting the meticulous deliberate fashioning together.
Take the character 寶 for example which means treasure.
It's literally 'king/royalty' 王 next to wine jugs 缶 on a bed of money 貝 under a roof 宀
like come the fuck ooooooooooooooooooooooon
t. Westerners hurting the feelings of the billions of Chinese people
but seriously how the fuck are they perpetually butthurt
There are multiple characters they use for dragon. The one on the left in also is used. For example yakuza: like a dragon is 龍が如く7 光と闇の行方 in nip
I would say it's actually MORE about aesthetics than function, which is its primary problem. Koreans had the right idea making a phonetic writing system and ditching kanji bullshit.
i was feeling depressed, so i went for a walk through the GROVE where i found a TIN CAN CROWN in the SHEAFS. i dug it up with a SHOVEL, and SAT DOWN to bend it back into SHAPE
based mind palace user
acceptance of suffering as counterpart of joy is essential to life. how could you tell them apart if you wouldnt know both, eh?
use 4k monitor
TINY kanji, can't read shit
As elegant as hangul is, Korea never let go of the Chinese characters either. They're not a mainstay of the language like in Japanese, but knowing them is considered a sign of intelligence, so any scientist has to study them, and there are even those who demand the Chinese characters being brought back into everyday written Korean (because every country has their version of "retvrn to tradition").
I have read Mando described as pidgin Chinese that is simplified for imperial (now national) use.
because the empire was fuckhueg and filled with dozens of languages, and they needed a way to centrally administrate all those peoples so they made up a script that's basically language agnostic
China is too huge even with modern transportation, imagine back in the day... each region was basically autonomous.
I don't imagine the letter systems for japanese or chinese being all that complicated if you were born within these countries
Same way we have the alphabets, they understand their symbols just as fluently
Was Chinese writing actually made for multiple languages at the same time? I just assumed it was made for one language and adapted to the others.
i literally have a 42" 4k monitor and i use Anon Babble in granny mode zoom and i still couldnt read it
Dante mthe Cdemonkiller, has a nice ring to it don't you think?
Sure, through sheer exposure they learn the necessary ones, but they do still need to dedicate a good amount of time to study a bunch of them. That's why they have different ranks of fluency, rather than a simpler "can read y/n?" classification in the west, some issues like dyslexia aside.
i mean at the start it was just how educated people wrote but over time yes, it was specifically standardized and designed by the empire's scholars to centralize, administrate and unify the empire
modern chinese is different and not as flexible, but classical chinese was made with that purpose in mind and was just as much of a tool of control as roads, walls, laws and armies
who knows, that's going back into legendary times with the yellow emperor and shit... it could even have been made by the Sanxingdui people who made those alien broze statues and chinks borrowed them, china is OLD
Same way we have the alphabets, they understand their symbols just as fluently
They keep learning their own written language the entire time they're in school and then some more. Instead of just a couple of years in the grade school. And even adults often encounter unfamiliar kanji. The environment makes it much easier for them to learn it, compared to you sitting in front of a screen in your own country, but it IS objectively harder than alphabetical writing systems.
Yes. Chinese have 10 languages yet still use mostly the same writing system
Chinese writing actually made for multiple languages at the same time
Nobody knows because it's too ancient. Probably not because it was literally drawings.
im tired. morrowind stat screen on the left, skyrim perks on the right.
This
Nips could really benefit from some orthography reform but >muh heritage always wins in the end
Somewhere right now seething chinks and japs (and everyone else) are bitching about English and calling for standardization and spelling reform.
And they're right. English (and French) are a fucking mess.
look nothing alike
Asians are something else with their runes. It's no wonder even the "dumb" ones who are cashiers or whatever still have 100 IQs when they are forced to learn such a weird writing system. It's like their writing itself is an IQ test.
it's cool most of them really don't know much kanji
English doesn't have a governing body defining grammar and shit like French does (and that's good, languages change over time organically)
Well you have to understand the history. Before writing there were only pictures, so wherever writing was invented, like in China, pictures were used as its foundation. Everything else gets built on top of that
The pictures can simplify to letters much later on, usually by the equivalent of secondaries, but by then you've been writing in pictures for thousands of years. You get really used to it
Other than Kanji, how complex is Japanese? Would it be anywhere as infamous if it was written wholly with Hiragana or Katakana?
Learning Nip, around a year in.
It's literally impossible to be written without kanji because there are lots of homonyms. Only things I know that are written in kana only are old pokemon games and babbys' reading books and those are intentionally not complex.
I just typed this randomly to give you an example, there are thousands of homonyms like this.
All of these are read as shugyo.
Play Summon Night.
please
Languages don't just change organically. There are many instances where languages changed radically due to active intervention, and many of these changes have stood the test of time.
The Sumerian alphabet, of which most languages in the world(Including European languages) derive their writing system from, was also logographic
True
The Koreans were smart enough to dump Chinese hieroglyphics ages ago
I'm not Asian (although I'm technically from Asia), but I still agree with this. Just because I'm used to the bullshit of the English language doesn't mean that I'm not aware of it.
We're entering a new era where the majority of English speakers are ESLs and bots, I can only imagine how retarded the language is about to become
hehe
Very true. Chinese like Egyptian have different characters that aren't all equal. Some are supporting characters that give context or purely phonetic (used purely for the sound, like the names of foreign countries or loanwords). They're both logogramic/phonogramic admixtures.
The Egyptian semagram at the end of a chain of phonograms plays a similar role to radicals in Chinese characters.
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There are semantic and phonetic elements within individual characters too though the positions are all over the place, such that you can guess the sound of words even if you don't know the full character, or glean the semantic basis even if you don't know the character. There's no systematic way for it though.
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The more I learn about Chinese the more I think it's the most beautiful language system on earth.
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ages ago
barely 80 years, and they still print Hanja mixed in, educated people are supposed to know as much as Jap's ~2000 kanji
cunnyform
China is the Roman Empire that didn't fragment.
draw a vulva
"yep that's a women"
kek, almost as funny as 母 and 女 both being tits
didn't fragment
it did, but it alwasy reunited
"The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been."
Imagine what europe would be like if the roman empire still existed. Greeks, Egyptians, morrocans, arabs and English would all have intermixed to the point of one race
do we want 2000+ unique characters with multiple readings or spaces?
The empire, long divided, must unite; long united, must divide. Thus it has ever been.
話說天下大勢,分久必合,合久必分。
A good example for info density.
So when speaking, the only thing differentiating studying from prostitutions is context? Actually, now that I think about this, there is correlation in the meaning of those words.
doesn't kanji solve the problem of homophones though?
for example, はし can mean both chopsticks and bridge
why does this dumb asshole keep talking about finnish
English can be written like Chinese too, but it would sound retarded:
Big world split, come back, many times.
To be poetic in English means more words, in China and other Sino-influenced cultures, less words.
Some are supporting characters that give context or purely phonetic
That's also a thing in Russian. Letters ь and ъ don't have sounds. ъ (hard sign) mostly acts as a separator between a consonant and a vowel so that they don't flow into each other ("ne" Vs "nye"), and ь (soft sign) palatalizes the consonant before it.
Playing Xenoblade X
Playing Xenoblade X (using Ghost Walker)
It's a lot easier than Nip but still difficult.
want
it's not about want
it's about the continuity of culture
and proving you are not a big dum-dum in school
Ah, my mistake. I had assumed this thread would be about video games.
That's basically a 300 character syllabary. Might as well switch to something like Zhuyin and cut your letter count by like 90%.
If information density was the ONLY criterion, we'd be writing in QR code or some shit. There's more to written language than just info density.
weebs think that a country that's thousands of years older than america should completely reinvent their writing system so that it's easier to understand hentai visual novels
Yes.
You already posted this.
I mean I think the confusion aspect is overstated because English has tons of similar examples.
It's the equivalent of 'dropping the kids off at the pool' means both literally dropping them off at the pool or taking a shit.
English from the older times like in Victorian times had a ton of these double entendres that just aren't in use anymore, but there are plenty of new ones I'm guessing.
They were created and formally introduced in medieval times, but yes, Korean society only truly adopted them in the early 20th century. And while they do teach Hanja at school and educated people (okay, everyone's expected to be educated in Korea) are expected to know a significant amount, they are nowhere near as present or important as in Japan. If you want to live and work in Korea as a professional, you should know the most important Hanja; if you only want to consoom Korean content and be more autonomous when you're holidaying there, then Hangeul only is totally fine. In Japan, Kanji are a must, even at lower levels.
You can tell that they're people who never even studied Japanese because if you've even taken a basic course then you realize that reading gets much smoother when you start bringing the kanji in.
Having to keep Jisho open while you read runes for something that you haven't seen before is more convenient than if you are just given kana and have to take a stab in the dark.
It mostly solves the problems it creates. In a language that develops organically, two words read and spelled the same would be a rarity, but kanji is the crutch that lets tons of cases like that exist while also adding a bunch of redundant readings into the mix, because most kanji can be read in more than one way.
And besides, it's a language that people actually speak, so we know it works well enough without kanji.
didn't fragment
Maybe the words for things they eat with and things they cross rivers with should sound different.
you dont need all that, just remember that the bottom par looks like the american flag
writing in QR code
You are wrong though. Machine languages/encodings are less efficient than Natural languages.
video game
1110110 1101001 1100100 1100101 1101111 100000 1100111 1100001 1101101 1100101
genius
actual retard
Typing kana into a dictionary is way easier than having to write the kanji for google translate or god forbid looking it up by radicals
learned to recognize a decent chunk of Kanji
try to write them
can't remember shit
I'm only continuing because learning new shit is good for the mind and all, but I don't even watch anime anymore...
no argument
thread about asian glyph writing
some people start showing chinese letters
glowniggers go full melty and start spamming cope
It seems that losing the trade war has all of them really triggered
kys
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Not reading your post you fucking frognigger.
japanese would be way harder without kanji
Lmao now they are seething at the post
Someone mentions China is in fact a third world country
Changs have a mental breakdown
pic related is more efficient than writing "video game"
actual retard
UH WE HAVE TO KEEP CHINESE BECAUSE CULTURE
This is the same country that banned it's history book, burned down most of it's temples, banned Chinese holidays and Chinese religion and even reworked the traditional characters to more casual ones. There is no reason it can't just be phonetic
Not necessarily, it preserves the original final consonants, but the onsets and medials are simplified. Mandarin preserves the original onsets better and Wu languages preserve them the best.
The way kanji have multiple readings is the consequence of the language developing organically. It's a mix of high speak (which was Chinese at the time) and low speak (i.e., actual Japanese).
It was infact the language of the Imperial Bureaucracy, but I wouldn't call it a pidgin. I'd probably describe it closer to what French is to Latin
It's is a contraction.
Its is possessive.
Prove it
well that was the intention, eventually they would phase them out for roman letters like Vietnam, but Mao died and you know...
that hope died when the word processor was introduced
Really? Source?
You are telling me the one good idea Mao had never actually got tried but the war against birds did?
That's why children start out reading works with lots of kanji and work their way up to reading only kana
SEQUEL
anon computers have led to more kanji, not less
Red Guard thing went too far, everyone chilled the fuck out after he died and Deng evetually opened up China... I suppose it could have only been done by his decree.
CUNNY LINES uOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
'Mao Zedong (who was Mao Tse-tung before pinyin, under the “Wade-Giles” romanisation system) wanted a radical break with old ways after 1949, when the civil war ended in mainland China. He was hardly the first to think that China’s beautiful, complicated and inefficient script was a hindrance to the country’s development. Lu Xun, a celebrated novelist, wrote in the early 20th century: “If we are to go on living, Chinese characters cannot.”
But according to Mr Zhou, speaking to the New Yorker in 2004, it was Josef Stalin in 1949 who talked Mao out of full-scale romanisation, saying that a proud China needed a truly national system. The regime instead simplified many Chinese characters, supposedly making them easier to learn'
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I don't give a shit about how many Russians Stalin killed or whatever but I will forever hate him for making me waste hundreds of hours of my life memorizing bullshit characters
Stalin's greatest crime...
go back to your flashcards
Hey Stalin, should I kill all the Sparrows and collectivize all the crops?
"Go for it man"
Now about letters
"BRO DON'T GO TO FAR NOW"
That's not what he's saying. The computer can figure out what character they want but their ability to write them from memory has gone down.
Isn't this the same advice Anon Babble would give? Search your heart, you know it's true.
The annual New Years' address would probably hit different if the big red doors opened and all you saw was
Wèi Rén Mín Fú Wù
We would've done that for the lulz as opposed to any real argument.
They were floating the idea of phonetic writing even during the Republican era. China would probably be writing in a native alphabet if the Communists never won
yeah. but Taiwan and overseas chinks would still use the old script, as well as Japs and Gooks
banned it is history book
burned down most of it is temples
Retard.
Cute, but you don't write for kids exclusively.
That's like complaining Universities use too many big word nigs can't read.
imaging being taught only about Mao's achievements, never his crimes
wumao, you gonna cry???