Painted people don't get to live

That would be complete dogshit writing.

That's a subjective take, but it's the plot regardless of reception.

Look at it this way; if your average dictator had a means to fill the world with literally mindless supporters over sentient dissidents, he would jump at the opportunity to replace the dissenters in an instant.
The painting people are too dangerous to be allowed to survive. They are hylics.

Well, yea, that's my point. Its insulting to the player because the player is viewed as a hylic for getting attached to them.

Please make the case for why the ”it was a dream trope” is good writing.

The painted people don't lack a conciousness

Yea, that guy is retarded and has been spamming it for several days because he alone knows what type of simulated minds are truly conscious, even when the minds in this case are made up of magic that follows the in-universe arbitrary magic system (he will talk about chatbots next because a silicon 1:1 replica of human brain is not conscious he has realized after his studies into the subject).

And the game even states the painted people are sentient but he has ADHD and attention span issues so it didn’t quite stick.

The people on the canvas move as long as someone is "painting." That's why you can only let Verso-chan free in the ending where you destroy the canvas. Verso says they're alive in the same sense a kid says his imaginary toy friends are alive. Clea, an adult, tells the truth.

The proof that they are concsious is not just that they all lead individual lives and make inventions and shit, some play a massive part in kicking the ass of the woman who created them out of the painting which she clearly did not want them to do. They could still do it because they are people with free will and not some bot with programmed routines

Holy FUCK, i just got verso's ending, avoided most spoilers, fucking bauled my eyes out, idk how could you pick Maelle's you see that tortured little sliver of Verso's soul and how god damn tired his painted self looks, its over man. Absolute fucking kino

If I encountered God and he killed all my friends with a wave of his finger I'd question the point of my life.

Consciousness doesn't exist, neither does free will, it's all quantum particles bouncing around in deterministic fashion, even if the per state measurement is "random" as a system it's deterministic.

Sorry, nothing's real, nothing's consciousness, or everything of sufficient complexity is conscious whether that's cats, people, silicone aliens, or painted people (of sufficient complexity).
To insist on anything else is to put forward human exceptionalism, an infantile point of view that only holds up because we haven't yet met alien intellects though we're building our own.

chatbots aren't conscious

Maybe not, all you can really say is that they lack the complexity of a human brain, but objectively the goal is to recreate in an artificial substrate the computation complexity and capability of a human brain, that's a fact.
When that goal is achieved, whether that's in 10 years or a hundred years or a thousand years (or never), it is an objective fact that by definition that artificial brain will be a conscious human brain.

I mean, they're not real. She's basically doing the equivalent of sitting in a room twitching and drooling, no? Maybe taking a lot of hallucinogens on top of that.
It's like some NEET deciding that anime is real, while his parents shake their heads and realize that he's going to have to die.

Congrats anon, you got the game.
Now do Maelle's ending and witness what you avoided.

Of course they do, because it's the last thing left of a person who sacrificed himself to save one from the family. Get family therapy, save what's left and just leave it there. But scribbles are secondary here. They are just legacy that needs to be kept out of respect for the deceased. But wiping them out won't resolve anything either and just lead to later regret. Just get grief councelling you retarded baguettes.

pClea gets gigachad Simon

pVerso gets Julia

pAlicia gets... kidnapped by expeditioners and gets called a monster

defend this

painted people are mostly kind, level headed, empathic and overall well adjusted

you know realize they are only like that because they are an idealized version of human kind, without all our flaws

Yep, they are not real. Burn the canvas

FFX but with paint

But wait, time moves way slower in the canvas so why dont they just spend like a month inside then leave, then 8 hours passed irl. Is it just too addicting for that to be possible? I guess they dont have to eat or go to the bathroom while they are inside?

Do we ever get to see what happened to Julia? I think she betrayed Verso after knowing who he was and he killed her and all the expedition but she seemed important enough to be something more than a name dropped in a journal

Renoir can leave just fine. Aline and Alicia are very weak willed.

If you pretend to live in a perfect world where you are fine and your family is alive and happy and go back to the real world it breaks the illusion.

Yeah makes sense

They have several of those things, it's just the only one of verso. So mommy locked herself inside of her dead sons room to play with his toys, pretending he's still there which is why daddy wants to throw the toys away so she can't play pretend anymore.

I guess they dont have to eat or go to the bathroom while they are inside?

ALINE STOP SHITTING ON THE FLOOR ALREADY

Yeah Verso mentioned to painted Maelle while she was gommaging shes a talented paintress, youll be ok youll be ok. Whats stopping her from walking over to the next canvas and doing it all over again? At least Verso can rest but i think she's probably fucked

Nothing stops her, but the only reason both her and Aline are so obsessed it's because it's the last piece of Verso they have left.
Aline obsessed with it because she's HEAVILY depressed after losing her son.
In Alicia's case it's crushing guily.

shes a talented paintress

But she is not tho. She never painted a world from scratch

That's why the canvas works as a hyperbolic time chamber for her.
She's already painting sentient human beings and enacting her will on them during her ending.

Right but couldn't she more or less recreate Verso on her end? It would be from the power of her soul not his cause she made the painting

She could, but what they want is to larp inside his painting because it contains his soul.
The soul is the reason of it all.

It's implied bringing verso back works best in his canvas because since it's his creation it has a part of his soul and a verso painted in another canvas would be soulless. But he is probably the only thing that needs to be erased here because it's a mockery.

I'd love to see the first time real Renoir arrived to the painted mansion and saw Aline's larp, Verso and fucked up Alicia.
Aline is lucky he's so into her because that shit is grounds for divorce.

No wonder why reddit loves this game so much - it's atheists first circlejerk party. "Conscientiousness doesn't exist". lol I guess not for npcs who are incapable of envisioning an apple or possessing inner thoughts, right?

Prove you're real and deserving of life right now, and if you can't then I'm going to kill you and you aren't allowed to complain because you aren't real

She went insane from grief. She's the villain here but not from completely unrelatable reasons. It's probably more heartbreaking than infuriating.

The whole point is that Aline and Alicia CAN'T limit themselves to visiting, they're using the painting to avoid confronting the pain in their lives. Even if Maelle wins in the end, Alicia is going to die in the real world at which point Renoir or Clea is going to destroy the painting and everyone in it anyway. In her ending, she's torturing Verso while she gets to live a pretend life where nothing bad ever has to happen and there are no consequences to anything. Verso's ending is tragic, but Maelle's is horrifying.

They aren’t really sentient. They just look like they are because they have been programmed to fool you like that.

force them to do the must gruesome merde

...hot

I mean, imagine

hmmm Aline has been in this canvas for too long, let's check it

see Aline living her life with her fake family

Verso is alive again in the way she wants him to

she painted Alicia as a black and white burn victim because fuck you Alicia

He probably snapped a bit.

That requires God being real, which he isn't, Christfag.

Probably one of the npcs that whined over the Star Ocean 3 plot in the 4D universe, completely missing the point

Reddit's first game

SO3 was shit because it was shitting on a established franchise with a completely out of nowhere twist.
The fucking series that started as a shitty ToP ripoff.

I didn’t give a fuck about Zankerkand though. If the best they can create is a shitty underwater sport and a laughing retard, then burn it down.

Lumiere fading away actually felt sad.

base an argument on a false premise

get called out

chimp out over it

They have as much autonomy as an oblivion npc. Even their rebellion is pre-ordained.

I also wondered why she painted her fucked up, either because she blames her or because she wants to honor versos sacrifice. If any I think it's a sign that she can recover rather than being completely lost. But people making up fake realities because they can't handle loss is not that new of a concept.

Yeah i just looked at the ending again and Alicia sees everyone fade away right before the credits, i think its saying theres no way she can repaint any of them. ESPECIALLY Esquie and Monoco she only knew them for a little bit, same with the painted verso.

It was blaming her.
She literally painted her like that to pretend the fire only affected her, huge cunt move and basically

I know you are alive but I wish you weren't and your brother was, so enjoy being bacon

Maelle...
The INFP Chad ending...

Silence, golem

Why was clea such a bitch to Alicia? She seems so casual about her brother being dead and is even an asshole to Alicia saying she both loves and hates that he killed himsefl for his sister

Nope, went for Verso.
Alicia needs to heal.

Is your "real" life wageslaving 8 hours a day and then shitposting 6 hours on Anon Babble any more worth living?

Those scarred lungs ain't gonna heal
Zero stamina, starfish only

It was pClea that got kidnapped by rClea.
Then she tricked Simon into killing the Axon depicting her even tho it's technically on her side purely because it offended her.

Because her way to cope is being angry and lashing out.
She likes her sister, but being the only useful part of the family must wear her down.

Good luck healing being a mute face burn victim with a motherthat hates your guts so much she chose to paint your with your scars

If you are just a soul-less golem without a soul, you all might as well end it now and save yourself some misery. I recommend a sharp knife, using it vertically on the wrists. Livestream if possible. Thank you, anons.

Fuck off she can go be INFP with her own soul

Aline would eventually get over it and start not being a cunt to Alicia again.
Their relationship will probably be strained at best, but Alicia has renoir and clea who actually care about her, also a ton of money and magic powers.

Hence why her Axon is just Clea carrying the entire city on her back.

During Gustave's funeral Maelle says that he was the best brother and father she ever had.

Didn,t have her Alicia memories back other than through weird nightmares and hallucinations. But this quote is telling. She liked Gustave more than she did Verso and Renoir and in the end decided to keep living in the world where her favorite person could exist. It's not escapism to want to continue the 2nd life you lived without even being aware of the 1st one.

Honestly I think it would've been kino if Maelle never got her Alicia memories back and instead Renoir had to try to convince her she had another body in another world.

i just got to chapter 3 so im guessing this is some side quest mega boss?

The Axons are all parables and critiques to their personality flaws by Renoir.

Aline the self centered artist

Verso the fake

Alicia the hikkineet

Clea who just shoulders everything instead of sharing the burden

No, I enjoy my life quite a lot thank you. But to say that a life in a world that is eventually doomed isn't worth living is stupid cuz inevitable doom is the lot of every single living being.

Point out where I said it was.

For non-hylics, the answer comes down to -

Is one life (Verso's) worth more than the lives of all the people of Lumiere, as well as those of your main party members, like Lune, Esciel, Monoco, Esquie and others? Verso essentially lied to the team the entire game, allowed Gustave to be murdered then demanded the entire world burn with him. A lot of women choose Verso because they flick the bean to him, but thinking with your clit is pathetic, animal behavior.

Didn,t have her Alicia memories back other than through weird nightmares and hallucinations.

She liked Gustave more than she did Verso and Renoir

You actually contradicted yourself, her ending is just

VERSO VERSO VERSO VERSO

because it's Alicia, Maelle basically died in act 2.

You've already seen it. It's the dead Axon in Old Lumiere. It was hard to make it out during the story cos you just saw the back of its head. Check it out on the world map to see it's basically just a giant Clea carrying the city.

Very short-sighted, npc "thinking".

Muh escapism fags not realizing that even before Verso died Alicia was a shutin who lived other lives vicariously through books.

Truly she was saved in Verso ending. There is truly no way she will end up coping in other unhealthy ways.

I'll only accept the Verso ending as canon if the sequel has Maelle going turncoat and joining the writers.

Monoco and Esquie were on board.
Lune and Sciel are worth less than Alicia, Verso and Verso's soul, yes, because they are dead anyway, they just don't know it yet.

Verso essentially lied to the team the entire game

For good reason, no one would ever go along with his plan or believe they're just fake faggots in a painting. He's just tired of suffering knowing he isn't real.

NPC thinking is calling anything slightly different from your preconceived notions of life and reality "fake"

I saw it in the cutscene where Clea talks to Alicia, it's a painting on the wall, didn't realize it was in Old Lumiere.

Verso essentially lied to the team

Half the team.

Maelle is essentially the tranny ending complete with even a deadname. Suppress the boy inside and force your delusions on an unwilling world through a rictus grin.

Caring about the opinion of one fake faggot over the rest of the "fake" team.

Why do Versofags are so quick to dismiss the suffering and death of the painting folks cuz they're "Fake" but will vicariously defend the right of another fake to die. Makes 0 sense.

He's a liar, selfish and the game actually doesn't respect the player or your time, let alone your supposed intellect, in wasting 30+ hours of your time with shit that ultimately doesn't matter one iota. This game seems like an artsy project that no one expected to make it big, created by auteurs who think whatever they make turns to gold.

They should all die.

To Writerchads neither Painters nor paintings are actual humans worth a damn

Because there's nothing they can do anyway.
Verso goes with them? They kill the paintress
Verso DOESN'T go with them? They get gommage'd and their world gets like a 20 year extension before there's nobody left.
All he did was speed up the process of getting his retarded mother out of his canvas.

What a dumb plot

the difference is Zanarkand was real, and just perished. but it was real
Lumiere was always unhealthy escapism that should've not been made.

She has nothing to live for and will probably end up killing herself. The parents will likely end up as drunks or divorce as well, so in the end, no one gets a happy ending beyond the fake suicidal Verso.

20 years

They'll definitely get a lot more than that and besides, that's completely dismissing the possibility that the painted people could find a way to safeguard their world. It's a universe with fucking Magic inside and out and retards are willing to apply our magicless world's logic to it.

And this is why Writers did absolutely nothing wrong (other than failing to eliminate that whole family).
Those people are retarded faggots who can't properly work out their personal shit, and somehow they get to have power of creator gods? This shouldn't be happening.

The sequel to this needs to be the Dishonored style game where you play as Writer tasked with solving the Painter question..

???

There is no difference. Zanarkand was as "real" (or not) as Lumiere. Both existed yet didn't exist in another sense.

they're not dying from magic, they're dying because renoir can erase the old shit, there was no hope for them, it was a war of attrition and renoir would have won

They'll definitely get a lot more than that

Why? After 20 years only 13 year olds would be alive and that's game over.

completely dismissing the possibility that the painted people could find a way to safeguard their world.

Renoir can insta kill every single of Aline's creations. Every single one.
They don't know they are a painting, they can't go up against their creator gods and simply slap them in the face. To beat Aline and renoir they needed Alicia.

It's spelled out pretty clearly that you can't live in the painting indefinitely, your real body will eventually die. When that eventually happens to Alicia, Renoir or Clea WILL destroy the painting for good and everyone in it will be gone anyway. The only thing Maelle's ending accomplishes is prolonging Verso's suffering so Maelle can live out a fantasy where she can bring anyone back from the dead and she never has to feel bad again.

Zanarkand was more real actually, it was a physically existing place in the real world. Kinda like an Aeon but a city full of people instead. Pretty sure that was an asspull in either the novel or the audio thing but that shit is canon

Weird how the npcs focus on how bringing back characters like Lune et al. somehow is invalid. How so? Explain yourselves. Seems like a personal interpretation, no more.

Tidus' Zanarkand was his father dream of a real place that existed but was destroyed 2000 years before the game.

They could just convice Maelle to leave the painting and murder her family in their sleep. That'd be peak.

Verso is a loser and he lost like a dog. He deserved his fate for being a backstabbing asshole. All he had to do was be a good brother/son and not be a whinging cunt. In the end he gets denied death and is forced to play music, which he loved to do, but because he is a selfish ass he cries like a bitch about it.

The painting physically exists in the real world as well. What is this sensory nonsense?

Bros i don't like seeing her sad....
FUCK Verso

Let's be honest. Maelle's is the canon ending because there is 0 chance Verso beats her in a 1v1. Just being in the area where they fought is killing him.

The painting exists as a painting.
Dream zanarkand is a whole fucking underwater city summoned in real time.

Is it just too addicting for that to be possible?

The game says that its unsafe to stay "that long" on a painting, however it seems that both Aline and Alicia's connection to Verso makes it that they simply will never have the willpower to leave on their own. After the battle with Renoir before the ending Alicia says that it will be "just for a while" and Verso tells her that he knows she was lying and that renoir knew too (but gave up on stopping her after getting his butt kicked).
So i ASSUME that any canvas is liable to trap you forever if you spend enough time and that any connection with the painting or the painter just increase the danger.

Renoir can leave just fine

He can because Aline broke him out of a canvas before
He was then as trapped then as Aline and Alicia are now
Whatever he learned from that experience seems to have "immunized" him. Then again it might just be plot armor

I mean, they're not real.

How so? It's not like she's playing a video game, Painters are fucking magician-gods creating actual worlds.

I think he sort of deserved it for allowing Gustave to be murdered, doing nothing to stop it. The more I think of it, the less I care for Verso. His suffering in the end is almost a fitting punishment for his inaction there.

Why did Renoir and Verso have scores across opposite eyes?

focus on how bringing back characters like Lune et al. somehow is invalid

If you reread my post I never fucking said that. Even assuming that the Lune, Sciel, and Gustave that Alicia repaints are "real" and accurate versions, they and their entire world are doomed anyway. The only thing that changes between the endings is how long Verso is forced to go on and whether or not Alicia dies in the painting.

But it's not underwater... So for you sensors, scale is what makes it "real"?

also a ton of money and magic powers

and purpose, thats a powerful motivator.
killing writers

Verso is a snake, this part proved it, in case you weren't paying attention to the time before when he betrayed you.

*scars

Remember that in Act 1 Maelle says she hates liars.

I meant out in the water. But it's a real, physical place you can go into and people can go out of.

Don't worry she's happy now

i didnt expect the

No [Lie]

Yes [Truth]

It makes sense when he explains why he did it but i truly believed until that point that he simply didn't arrive in time

It wasn't even about fake realities in the beginning. The game drops more plotlines than Game of Thrones.

when he betrayed you

you

Looks like we lost another one to the canvas.

youtube.com/watch?v=i9rBGOMdJCk

any frog to translate this?
30mn discussion from the director about the endings

Verso isn't a good person, he admits as much.
Alicia isn't either, but she likes to pretend she is.

They mirror each other, just like their philosophies did. Renoir carries his guilt like a badge, while Verso wears his shame trying to hide it. Classic duality visual shorthand, pretty basic but effective storytelling trick.

What do you mean "assuming" - it's blatantly obvious that Lune, Sciel and even Gustave in the ending are the same people. Lune and Sciel in particular it is obvious due to simply, I don't know, talking to them and finishing their sidequests, which I assume none of you npcs bothered to complete.

Their world is doomed anyway

So it ours, and?

Verso deserves it for being a lying, selfish coward who murdered Gustave. Justice for Gustave. PLAY THE FUCKING PIANO, BITCH

Schizo: The Post

I for one think that consciousness is very real and it seems to be a very integral part of not only our reality but the multiverse itself, though I can't really prove it It's what I've gathered from reading various texts regarding spiritualism and nde's. Of course people can say it's all the mind playing a t rick on you but that hasn't been proven with certainty as well.

Esquie murdered Gustave.

For fuck's sake, go back to redd*t if you want to talk about this shitty game's shitty story.

But it's a real, physical place you can go into and people can go out of.

Yeah dead people.

But so is the painting! If not more so, since the Dessendres are not walking ghosts unlike Auron. What selective logic you people have.

They're just admitting their hylics or npcs. I'm fine with low level golems who look human accepting their place in life.

verso explains this in-game, they fought once and both hit each other, they could have healed the scar, but it was a sign that they cared for each other, plus he thought it looked cool so he didn't want it to go away.

If there was a suicide booth that instantly killed you, but before you die you get to experience an idealized version of your life play out in your mind, would you use it?

You niggas are unable to take any criticism.

It's a video game, retard. If you don't have any imagination, I suggest a new hobby, or at least, finding a new genre - perhaps call of duty, fifa or even forza is more to your liking?

It starts with Guillaume saying he's never going to give out any interpretation on the endings and he refuses to elaborate on whether the canvas people have souls or not.

One thing that's pretty clever is that Verso actually shows up in cutscenes in the background in Act 1. You can see him rescue Maelle in the Beach scene, and they show his silhouette when the part enters the manor for the first time
So there really is absolutely no way he somehow couldn't have saved Gustave. He was shadowing them the entire time.

It's wild how many people think verso did nothing wrong. He just led countless expeditions to their doom and backstabbed everyone he ever associated with all because he was overcome with grief that he wasn't the real verso.

Who are you self-inserting as that you think Verso betrayed you?

Well he outright admits it, so his "suffering" - oh no, woe is me, I get to live, grow old and play the piano - the hobby I loved when I was human, oh noesss! :( - is warranted. He sounds like a bitch crybaby, imo

It's mostly npcs without souls. Don't expect imagination, empathy or even mirror neurons firing in golems. They simply don't have it.

Frog here. He just said that Maelle ending is the good one and every single soul in the canvas is indeed real.

To protect his family, yes. What's wild how many people feel personally betrayed by him.

because its cool

I don't know what fantasy land these people are living in. Did they not play the game for the past 30 fucking hours? The characters clearly are human, they bleed, live, die, eat, sleep, fuck, have hopes, dreams, they lie, they get angry, sad, happy and are as human as anyone else. To deny that is severe AUTISM.

Verso actually shows up in cutscenes in the background in Act 1

didn't know that, gonna watch some of those cutscenes on youtube
i just realized that i forgot about the message in the tree of having taken Maelle to the manor
at the point it seemed so important but since they never really addressed i totally forgot about it

i agree with that and still believe verso's ending is the good one and guillaume can tongue my anus
these "people" are all living of toturing a child's soul and can fuck right off

Look into your heart, you know this to be true

bottom can be repainted. Top can't.

It's not his family though, he's painted. A fact many of you Versofags love to forget.

For this analogy to fit, the side path with one person would have to loop back and still hit the five, just later. The painting is going to be destroyed whether or not Alicia kills herself and tortures Verso in the process.

What is a metaphor (and not the shitty jrpg that came out 6 months ago)? Verso is not a child. The child symbolizes how his mother saw him. The REAL Verso was 25 when he croaked in the fire.

Remind me who his mother is.

he does appear, thats cool, not as cool as when gravity falls did it but still... cool

youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?si=4hVzKjFlI4et9hId&t=3183

Verso is just a self destructive suicidal asshole, who has a massive inferiority complex. He deserved everything he got and then some.

not really when the biggest criticism of the game is that the world felt meaningless after act 2. I dont think they did that good of a job desu

How? Verso's dead and the canvas is destroyed. Only Verso could paint a living world. (How, we don't know.)

You can't have it both ways, he's either fake or he's not.

The video is actually 90% translated in english

What a waste-of-time game. Had so much potential only to waste the player's time, energy and intelligence on slop.

He was 28, not that it matters the same way that it doesn't matter that its a now grown man's soul.
Those "people" are parasites unknowingly feeding on that torture.

I haven't talked about fakes at all. You sure you are reading the right reply chain?

referencing ME3 color coded endings and calling them shit

BASED

act 1*

Only Verso could paint a living world.

Because you say so?

The game is fine until they decide to delete everyone in Lumiere after killing Aline in act 2.

Paint another canvas. Verso's soul is only special to the family for sentimental reasons. They still have magical painting powers.

Provide evidence contrary, then.

Esquie spells it out pretty easily for slow children like yourself.

Soundtrack is pure kino.

No, I noticed the quality of the game went down considerably in Act 2. VERY QUICKLY it tells you it's not about the expedition anymore if you're paying attention. Lune and Sciel basically stop stop being characters outside of being Verso's harem.

Provide evidence that anyone other than Verso has the ability to create a new canvas. Why didn't Aline just make her own and escape there instead? Why did they not have spare back-up canvases with other worlds? You are now the one speculating and making things up out of thin air.

Paint another canvas.

They wouldn't be the same people, it wouldn't be the same chroma the memories and experiences either won't exist or just be pale imitations created from Alicia's knowledge of the people in question.

top being characters outside of being Verso's harem.

Outside of their character events and quests, you mean.
There's only a single plot event left and it's about Maelle, but they get stuff too.

DID YOU FUCKING PLAY THE GAME ANON?
THE FUCKING THOUSANDS OF MENTIONS TO HOW DANGEROUS IS TO GET TRAPPED ON PAINTINGS?
HOW RENOIR WAS TRAPPED ON A CANVAS WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER AND ALINE HAD TO BREAK HIM OUT OF IT?
HOW WOULD THE PAINTERS KNOW THAT REMAINING INSIDE A CANVAS IS DANGEROUS IF NOBODY HAD ENTERED ONE BEFORE THE GAME
ARE YOU TOTALLY RETARDED?

The canvas Renoir almost got lost in. Also like half of Verso's canvas was painted by Clea, so he isn't the special boy you think he is. Both are stated in the game. Where is the evidence for your claim?

Renoir has a whole workshop of canvas. Doesn't he even mention to Maelle that she can go to another canvas and that he just doesn't want her in this one?

No seriously, you must be reading some completely unrelated reply chain.

Clea mentions that Aline has spent even more time in other canvasses. She was the one who taught Verso how to paint in the first place. She was living in Verso's canvass because it contained a piece of him.

Holy reddit schizo, faggot. Calm your dilator and go watch Rick and Morty, nigge

outside of being Verso's harem.

I dont agree with your post but gotta commend the french on crafting a beautiful harem.
You have a former farmer wide hips round big ass tanned tomboy, a magic girl anime waifu, and a perfect aged redhead jailbait.
I mean..... well done frogs.

Keeping the canvas alive isnt the wrong choice, even if Verso is forever salty about it. Because Lune and the rest deserve to live. What matters is Maelle voluntarily leaving the painting from time to time to recuperate, and to have a balance between both worlds.

Doesn't he even mention to Maelle that she can go to another canvas and that he just doesn't want her in this one?

No.

Verso lost and got what he deserved.

NOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY LE PIANO EVEN THOUGH I USED TO LOVE IT..... HELP ME RENOIRERINOS....

My Verso won and got what he wanted.

Just lying when he's wrong

Fucking pathetic

holy kek

So was Verso really part of expedition 00 with his father? Did they both just not know who they were at the time? Why did they even go if the Grommage hadn't happened yet?

If people are ok with painted people like Verso then a recreated Lumieren shouldn't be that much different. Yea they aren't the same but they will look the same.

lol exactly, how dare my bratty sister make me play the piano
not canon

The girls are great don't get me wrong, my complaint is that their romance doesn't fit the story at that point and the game basically forgets about them outside of their interactions with Verso.

Provide evidence in game of where Renoir said this or shut the fuck up. Golem.

It's nice seeing a dude seething because he went with Maelle and knows it was the bad ending and can't cope with it.

What was he talking about then? I distinctly remember him mentioning other canvases.

i think they were, the expeditions might have even been their idea to pit the people against the paintress

Them specifically? To find Aline obviously.

Mine too. He got his dream of playing the piano in front of a large audience, including Maelle. :)

Any comments for a third ending is DLC? I'd guess not, he seems the type that moves on to new shit.

Zanarkand was originally an existing place.
Lumiere is an escapism paint that was created by a painter.

not the same.
Dream Zanarkand's only living soul was Tidus, placed by Jecth as a cradle.
Lumiere is full of sentient beings.
They're not the same. It's false equivalence.

The issue is not the worlds but the amount of sentient beings living in it.

The morally correct choice is for Maelle to wait until the sentient beings die, then leave the painting and destroy it.

it's a simple win-win solution.

He said both endings are valid and refuses to elaborate on them.
But he finds it so fun how hard the dude is seething about Maelle's ending.

Not really but he smiled when he was asked about a Clea related sidestory

Well, she let Verso grow old, so h can die a natural death then move on. The question is, will she move on? If not, then she become another Paintress and you get the whole cycle over again as Renoir enters and tries to expel her by killing her paintings.

I wanted to live our lifetime together

he dies

NO, NOT LIKE THAT

Thanks. I wouldn't establish a "good end" myself, I'd let the game do it. As David Lynch put it: "The film IS the talking."

hurr durr Alicia needs to heal in the real world.

And who said she’ll ever heal in the real world? Alicia’s life in the real world is shit, and destroying the Canvas won’t make things any better. The Verso ending is just about destroying one of 2 worlds where she actually felt happy, while guilt-tripping her with homicide and betrayal toward the people she cared about.
Nothing changes in the "real world," where:

Her sister treats her like shit

Her mother hates her guts

Her father is the only person who loves her, but he prioritizes his wife, leaving Alicia constantly alone.

Her family is persecuted, and their home is destroyed by the Writers.

She’s the weakest painter and won’t be able to create something like the Canvas on her own for a long time.

She is just a disabled, scarred, and hated girl living in the 1900s.

If the player is supposed to believe that things will improve from this point on, then why can’t the same be said about Maelle’s ending? Things can change here too especially because her family/friends here actually care about her well-being.

The fun part is that they all "get" which is the good ending, but damn does that one dude seethe about how Maelle's feels like a bad ending.

Maellefags live in a fantasy world where they just pretend that they're never wrong

Like pottery

The question is, will she move on?

She won't, I'm a Maelle chad and I'll admit that. When she first meets Verso again after getting her memories back she knows he isn't her Verso, by the end she's saying she just want's to be able to live the life with him that was taken from them. She's definitely on a downward spiral.

Things will get better. Renoir promised.

She calls him brother, that's the point of no return for her character.
She also likes larping as Maelle.

you are missing the point, a suicidal copy wants to kill everyone in a fake world and destroy it for good and that makes him the hero, because he is sad that he is not the real one

That's why Gustave is so important to the story. Are you really gonna tell me my man Gustave doesn't deserve to live?

If anyone is being manipulated, it's versofags retroactively deciding none of what they experienced mattered because the devs pulled every trick in the book to make his ending appear like the good ending and Maelle's ending appear bad. Truth be told they're both gray endings that require sacrifice, and how they're presented shouldn't affect your choice if you have a moral code, but you can't expect that kinda consistency from most versofags. They say Maelle is coping, but the irony is that they're coping by defending the ending they THINK is suposed to be the good one, rather than the ending they chose. If Maelle's ending were presented in color and there were no jumpscare, then it'd unambiguously be seen as a good ending and you'd see maybe 90% less versofags. Trully the devs expected too much from the average gamer.

womb shattering SEX with Lune

It would certainly have felt different if we had to make the choice as one of the painted people. Suddenly, saving Alicia takes a much bigger toll.

I thought the point was that Jecht was a real person, and so was Tidus?
It contains the souls of the people who had not been sent to the farplane, essentially trapped inside a limbo.

And the hooded kid is the embodiment of the souls that form the Aeon that is Zanarkand, but he isn't all the souls, he is merely the vessel to contain the image of Zanarkens glory.

They said that even the devs themselves fight amongst themselves when it comes to which ending is best.

The creator is defending both the black and white and jumpscare in her ending here The creator's vision and how he frames things is important.
He's also taking a piss of how mad people are at her ending.

i don't see any purpose for her to not move on.
but that's the "nuance" the devs want to hint at with her ending.
It's all pseudo-intellectual slop.
The game should've stayed simple and clean with the brave expedition forging forward kino and a simple yet satisfying ending.

So was Verso really part of expedition 00 with his father?

Yes and the Simon fight reinforce this.

No? They're not real, they're dreams.

Yeah, she's going to become like her mother. Some could theorize a sequel with Maelle as the Paintress or such, but I doubt these auteurs will ever make another RPG, let alone a "clair obscur" sequel set in the same continuity.

I 100% agree with everything you said here. The copium is strong in versofags, pretending nothing else is real but verso who allowed Gustave to be killed.

Does Aline hate Maelle for what happened to Verso?

Wasn't that obvious?

The truth is they are all real and you just have to get 100% in the sequel game to bring them out of dream zanarkand.

She also likes larping as Maelle.

Technically she is Maelle, and technically she's still Alicia. The life she had has both haven't been erased and both will be a part of her. But really both of them are gone and she's some fucked up amalgamation of the two.

There should really be that girl and acrobat meme for this shit.

Verso fags

Maelle and Aline are grieving, need to move on, happy ending

Maelle fags

your whole post I guess

I love her autistic smile

I've also seen the cope from Versofags

"Verso noticed Maelle lied to her father, he had to destroy the canvas, she would have never left"

But how would Verso actually be able to discern that from a 2 minute conversation between Maelle and Renoir, where Maelle desperately wants to save the people of the canvas. There's always the possibility that Maelle drives Renoir out, regains her bearing, celebrates with the people of Lumiere, and then finds a balance between both worlds.

Then why do FFX end with Jecht and Tidus being sent to the farplane?

es they are sentient beings

No they arent kek. Following an operational behavior doesnt make you sentiment.

She's the most tragic character of the entire cast. It's not fair that we can't save her.

If they go to the farplane, how does Yuna bring Tidus back in X-2?

He's a self pitying loser who wants to die, when you look through those lenses, everything he does is justified.

Verso is saving himself in a literal sense. Young Verso is tired and want to be free from painting. Not only that, Real Verso's sacrifice to save Alicia is in vain if Alicia decided to die of Escapism overdose.

>Her sister treats her like shit

Tough love. She even give her sister advice after you fight her as an optional boss. She isn't malice, but she cannot put up her Father/Mother bulllshit, look after Alicia, and deal with the Writers at the same time. When its all over, she has time to grief for her brother.

>Her mother hates her guts

The whole point of Phase 3 of the final boss fight. She came in, misguided or not, to help her daughter.

> Her father is the only person who loves her, but he prioritizes his wife, leaving Alicia constantly alone.

Her wife is dangerously ill and need to be look after. Alicia is still young and prayed that she makes the right decision.

>She’s the weakest painter and won’t be able to create something like the Canvas on her own for a long time.

She has shown that she could paint after Verso help her. Given time, she would be decent.

>She is just a disabled, scarred, and hated girl living in the 1900s.

Good thing she live in a wealth family that can look after her and give her time to be good at painting, right?

Another thing, if canvases are so intoxicating and tempts a painter to stay in there forever, then the family should never paint again right? RIGHT? But no, they're going to keep on painting and diving into their canvases. Trying to get rid of the established one with Lumiere is just a fart in the wind.

Malle's would simply be "for those who come after"

Verso's harem

The game really is just about Verso and his harem. And by harem, I'm also including the obsessed sister who has even been speculated as having a 'taboo child' with him in her end. The whole damn game has him as the center point of everything once the expedition and Lumiere cease to really matter. The canvas world is essentially his, the Dessendre family has most of the impetus for their actions revolve around him, the final endings are all about resolution for him and Alicia at the expense of nearly everything else in the plot. On top of this he killed a primary party member and lies to the rest to almost forcibly insert himself into the scenario as the main individual of the adventure. Man, looking at it overall, guy reads like somebody's fanfic self-insert. He even broods on command with a unique silver streak of hair and cool scar while contemplating his misery of being too loved by those unwilling to let him go. Truly, he was the coolest guy.

How do I defeat Simon? At one point, he just erases my team forcing me to send in the reserve aka no investment team.

Confirmed E33 concerts

Man these fuckers will make so much money with the game and side shit like this and Esquie plushies.

The child at the end of the game who felt forced to keep painting is the soul of child Verso (part of it), Aline didn't paint it.

The child symbolizes how his mother saw him

No, Aline painted adult verso because that's who she lost and wanted to talk to.
Child Verso is a child because that's when (real) Verso stopped painting in that canvas to focus on studying music.

aka no investment team.

Invest in that team, dipshit. It shouldn't be hard, either since each team member has a meme build that can shit out crazy damage or support

Put your reserve fags first with autodeath and then send your 3 real niggas.

Confirmed E33 concerts

Que?
Is Kepler activating the contigency?

WAAHH MY SISTER IS A CUNT

You never had an older sibling, do you?

youtube.com/watch?v=f1y_fUVMOHQ
I hope they use this song. This was really a great ending song that fit the entire theme of the game.

Gustave >>>>>>> Verso

Dev confirmed it in the interview in this thread. Concerts are in the work. Talking about Kepler, he also said they aren't forced to keep working with them for whatever they do next.

Talking about Kepler, he also said they aren't forced to keep working with them for whatever they do next.

So Sandfall kept the rights after all. They must have taken a hell of a deal then.

And a Live Film

Dmitri M. Johnson

Well fuck, they're going to make Gustave, Scial or Lune Moroccoian, aren't they?

she's some fucked up amalgamation of the two

I doubt its fair to say she is even really an amalgamation of the two, more like Alicia pretending to be Maelle because she can't fully let go. But the lack of true resolution for Maelle as a character, outside of token resolution for the people she knew and loved, with the ending focused almost entirely on what Alicia would want, just seems fairly definitive about which is in the driver's seat so to say.

Cope cope cope

WAAAAH I'M 16 YEARS OLD MY LIFE IS OVER

Aline: "Go home Renoir, Go Paint something else"

Cast them.

Just want to say she is perfect.

we're getting zendaya as maelle, I just know it

Oh shit I was always wandering why Verso needs to dye his hair black and only now realized it's because his hair turned white after Clea painted him over when she tried to "recruit" him during their second meeting.

Jack Black as Monoco.

clea hairstyle on lune is peak

NEED Alicia gf
I can save her

Sciel's VA is pretty hot.

Robert Pattinson as Robert Pattinson looking guy
Pierce Brosnan as Pierce Brosnan looking guy

Why do we even need this?

being the only rational women in the family must've been difficult

hi Franfran.

Kepler.

Not as much as Clea's

Holy Reddit Batman!

and I lacked a conciousness like the painted people lack

????

Verso is a rat.

You think he's also wearing full body makeup and contacts to hide his grey skin with gold veins and the glowing mind control eyes?

There is no proof that Alicia in Verso ending will be healed or this ending is much better than Maelle's ending

REEEEEE SHUT UP, SHUT UP

lmao

Depends. How long is the ideal life gonna last? A month? If so, then no.
If it lasts an entire lifetime (or more), then yes.

Frog...

Sandfall has registered 2 IPs (Clair Obscur and Expedition 33). They probably sold the Expedition 33 IP to Kepler and kept the Clair Obscur one, which was the smart thing to do

WAAAAH I'M 16 YEARS OLD MY LIFE IS OVER

*I am 16 years old with debilitating disability, severe pain, disfigurement, half my family hates me, and I have their approval to immerse myself in another escapist painting anyway as long as it isn't my brother's.

Hopefully its a prequel about the first expedition or something, theyll just fuck up the pacing trying to do a movie unless its 4 hours

Robert Pattinson as Gustave
Pierce "The Architect" Brosnan as Renoir
Jake Gyllenhaal as Verso
Sadie Sink as Maelle/Alicia
Olga Kurylenko as Sciel
Shu Qi as Lune
Willem Dafoe as Monoco

Interesting that both the dudes interviewing the devs picked the Maelle ending. Maybe Versofag is the American (uneducated) ending after all.

sold the part that is about a painted world with an absolutely doomed ending with people who may or may not be fake

Really smart.

WAAAAH I'M 16 YEARS OLD MY LIFE IS OVER

That's a meme when it's because of a breakup, not when you are a mute monstrosity that will at best get a fetishist husband

Yes they are sentient beings with actual feelings but they don't stand a chance

So living, feeling, sentiant beings that don't have power (or adequate power compared to others) don't deserve rights and don't deserve to live, according to you?

That's so philosophically confused and backwards I just don't know what to say man. Your core beliefs are fundamentally wrong and unsound.

And they can't stop seething about it because they know it's a bad end deep down.
Don't forget that part.

Dude stop talking about yourself, Alicia is still cute

She didn't betray Verso, Verso betrayed them and killed her expedition because they found out he was going to betray them anyway later on.

both the dudes interviewing the devs picked the Maelle ending

I think in a lot of people's cases, choosing the Maelle (really Alicia) ending is as simple as having even the slightest instance of empathy for the Lumerians.

I was talking up Lune whenever I had the chance in my playthrough, but never got the sex? scene with her. But im partially glad because Verso is shit and doesnt deserve her

hard choice only for idiots.
real family versus splash of paint

They both proceed to argue that verso's is the good end right after, however.

I get the themes and whatever and get that verso's end is the right one

but I'm still mad

While Guillaume laughs, perfect representation of the average Maellefag.

family that hates you and a world where you're miserable versus a world where you're happy and everyone's alive and healthy

fake Verso lost, get over it. Now he has to 'suffer' by doing the thing he enjoys, poor baby

The splash of paint cares more for her though.

get to act 3

IIIIIIII SEEEEEEEE YOOOOUUUUUUU

IIIIIIIII FEEEEEEEEL YOOOOOUUUUUUUU

IIIIIIIII FEEEEAAAAAR YOOOOOUUUUUUUU

Monoco specifically says he wants to live, more than once, even more so after his quest. He just doesn't betray Verso because he's not a bitch ass traitor (like Verso)

I like how so many things end up getting slightly twisted by some fans to make Verso look better. I mean surely Julie was asking for it, really she had it coming to her when he killed her and the rest of the expedition. Think about how sad he must have been while killing them all.

Why do you think someone painted over needs to look to the full extent like paintedClea?

this is why making him play the piano is the canon ending, he is a sad baby

Shu Qi as Lune

Seems a good choice but she has no tits

Sandfall has registered 2 IPs (Clair Obscur and Expedition 33).

I looked it up and you're correct, it seems they want to use Clair Obscur as an overall series title after all.
But the E33 trademark would be useless to license without Clair Obscur accompanying it, no?

you HAVE to live in a world where your family hates you and where you're crippled, barely functioning and ugly

those people who support you more than your family ever did are NOT REAL and SHOULD NOT be accounted for, LET THEM DIE

that world where you're functional and happy, with a loving family and friends is LE BAD because... because it's le escapism or something okay??

What.

Why do you think your hair turning white means you got painted over.

surrender monkeys immediately concede and don't try to defend their ending choice

Man, shocking.

Gustave. I am gustave and that bastard killed me.

PAINTED LIFE MATTER

THEY ARE ALL DEAD AT THE BEGINNING OF ACT 3. There is really no point in saying if their life matter or not. They're all dead. They're gommage'd.

Maybe they got a deal with Kepler where they sold the Expedition 33 and all merch related to brings half royalties to the CO IP and half of it to the E33 IP so a 50/50

Why ELSE would his hair turn white when they were originally fully black?

Expedition 00 was mostly search and rescue after Lumiere was torn apart by the fracture.

Sorry tardy as long as it's Verso's canvas they're gonna be the same ones, pre or post-gommage

No that was Renoir.

Stress?

I just can't accept that a dude can get away with 'yeah I let him die' and then be treated like a good boy whose never done anything wrong.

They won't be the same. The game tries to teach you this lesson multiple times and if you still didn't get it then you're retarded.

defending an ending you know is a bad one while the director of the game sits there laughing at you

obligatory purgatory

I picked Maelle not because I really agreed with Alicia, I mean the goodbye to Renoir makes it very obvious how far her mental state has declined at that point after all she has lost, but I picked it because I cannot sanction paint Verso's scumbaggery. If I hurt so many people that badly to the point I promise the last 2 survivors of an entire civilization that I will help them save their people, the idea of betraying them and killing them again at the finish line is the most unthinkable demonic fucking evil shit ever. I would be very sad over the situation I have put myself in where my existence basically destroys a family, but I would see no choice but to shut up and play the piano.

Anon alicia literally respawns the party

But he's done plenty wrong.
Alicia doesn't care because

painted people

but he knows it. His goal is saving his retarded mother and sister so it evens out.

Go make your own painting then. One that preferable isn't powered by a dead boys soul.

Remember what Monoco said about Noco

Because most canvas are white to start with so repainting it white is like wiping it clean to restart you painting.

inb4 black canvas too

yeah i know.

They're the same people when they come back. Memories/Personality, all of it.

but I would see no choice but to shut up and play the piano.

... while slowly killing your extremely deluded sister, who obviously matters more to you.
Even Sciel understands.

Yeah but everyone seems the same to me before the end

You can't be fucking serious. In a story this well thought, where every detail has an intention and meaning behind it, you think the mystery of his hair turning white is nothing significant?
Sasuga Anon Babble, only looking at things at a surface level, and not a centimeter deeper.

The point of the joke is less about their choice of ending being the good or bad one. Its more about them being French.

So if we get to a point so were our VR/AI tech gets so advanced that the NPCs inside of them are considered sentient, is it our moral obligation to keep that on perpetually?

Bottom

where every detail has an intention and meaning behind it

Goblu and the flower.

He just let him die

If you're going to bitch about Gustave death, then blame the one person that KILL Gustave. Gustave also had a chance to run away and Maelle beg him to run away. He choose not to. Don't blame Verso for his father's blood thirst or Gustave's suicidal attempt to save Maelle

dead boy

He's 25.

Also meaningful and first indication of Chroma being literal "soul".

The soul that in the painting split off from Verso at a younger age.

25

literal child

you think the mystery of his hair turning white is nothing significant?

Or it could be little more than a mild story justification for character design, much like the jrpgs this is inspired by.

I actually thought they were going with gestrals and nevrons being reincarnated people since some of the gestrals you fight have the same names as people in the journals. Maybe its the chrome reused or something but seems they didnt focus on it as much.

25 and still trying to make it as a musician

Literal child

Depends on what happens if/when you turn it off.
If they just get paused in suspended animation, with the people inside not noticing being turned on and off, then no.
If they experience complete ego death and/or pain, then yes.

I think they made it clear enough that the canvas world operates on different logic anon. If a person can die in such an unfair magical bullshit way where they just disappear instantly without a chance, then it's perfectly fair to bring them back in an equally magical bullshit way. Basically painters are way too comfortable messing with the existence of beings they create. It's very comparable to the way Greek gods are portrayed in the Iliad.

The painters are just going to keep painting in the event Verso's canvas gets destroyed. Renoir and Aline will just throw themselves in their own works for years and years.

lmao just run and abandon what you care about most in this world

you can't be serious
and he wasn't about to pass up a chance to dramatically echo "for those who come after."

It's very comparable to the way Greek gods are portrayed in the Iliad.

Great example.

This is Sciel's husband

So she really is supposed to be a gypsy?

he thinks Alicia could ever repaint the world on Aline's level

nice ending Maellefags, enjoy your "world" with literally 4 people in it and everyone else being a blurry faceless background NPC

Who knew gypsies had such gigantic asses?

Yeah its fucked either way but at least verso can rest man hes tired

child-verso nods when adult-verso asks him if hes tired of painting

maelle forces him to keep on painting

somehow people consider that to be the good ending

25 and still trying to make it as a musician

I am being called out...

Im aware and they both promise that they will run away from Renoir.

play the piano chud

What point can I comfortably drop the game?
Im not really that wow'd by anything yet and everything feels pretty basic. Is there an agreed point in the game where its like if you dont like it by now its not for you?
I wanna give the game a really good chance and I know some games time time to really kick in.. I just got the 4th party member and am trying to find a rock for Esquie.

Tarot card, anon.

It's interesting he didn't like Metaphor and dropped Rebirth because he can't stand open world games

There is no mystery though. We've seen two instances of people getting painted over by Clea both with a distinctive visual design which includes far more than just white/grey hair.

Nah, Verso can play the piano. Let Lune, Sceiel, and Gustave get a chance at life before pulling any plug.

Ya, after the monolith youll know. Shouldnt take too long

Isn't Maelle ending literally forcing Verso's soul to keep painting? So the world will be the same

Sorry, Versofags, but he abandoned and betrayed this precious cinnamon roll so he gets the piano. It's really that simple.

maellefags are the ultimate cucks

Look, the oldest sister can be civil at times when they have common goal!

Now, post screenshots where Clea blames her imouto for being useless and for their family’s current shitfest so much that Alicia feels no remorse about abandoning her loving sister.

Isn't Maelle ending literally forcing Verso's soul to keep painting?

Painted Verso isn't Kid Verso

Aline created the people, verso just made monoco noco and the gestrals

Gustave also had a chance to run away and Maelle beg him to run away

He gestures to Maelle that he isnt making out of there when she begs him to run.
Do you think that him shaking his head there is meant to mean "im not running durrr". Its the typical movie trope that an injuried character knows his time is up

youtu.be/r1ppZs_tujI?si=BKpE70AYl0L77U_v&t=9173

Maelle = Cumala Harris
Verso = Donald Trump
the choice is simple.

I know that, anon. And Alicia knows that its all her fault, too. Hence why she is willing to go to the painted world to help and try to fix this.

Wait, so how does the flow of time work in canvas?
Renoir talks about being stuck in the monolith for 67 years ever since the death of Verso, but Alicia and Clea are both young in the Verso ending.

this anon gets it, why are versochuds so dense?
I don't think the verso defenders have any idea how stuff works and think that aline/alicia/clea were being mean and torturing the soul of child verso and making him paint the world.

Gestral reincarnation is a rule specifically painted into the world because Verso wanted his beloved toy friends to keep coming back naturally after their ceaseless fighting and dying. It's basically no different to a kid re-using his action figures for different storylines and adventures, the same bodies but different plot every time. While we only see it done directly to two people, Lune and Sciel, we know it's not the same process since Maelle literally puts their exact chroma back together and they continue from where they died with all their same thoughts and memories. It's not really comparable to gestrals because that rule was very specifically made for them, note that Grandis also lived and died normally unlike gestrals.

the literal ground is made of Chroma

Chroma is even used as a currency

still somehow thinks Chroma = soul

Listen to yourself.

Clea blames her imouto for being useless and for their family’s current shitfest

I missed the bit where any of that is false though?

Verso only painted Vestrals. Aline is one painting humans and it seems like Maelle it was she that repainted all of Lumiere's residents after Renoir gommage'd them.

Doesn't matter. You faggots are blaming Verso for something Paint Renoir does. If you're going to blame someone's death, blame on the person that did the killing.

I didn't watch that interview.
Who wonnered?
Who losted?

So in the Maelle ending you're parasiting off Aline's painted people. She doesn't actually paint anything herself, she just undoes the gommages

if an all powerful god exists you may as well die, because your free will is a joke in front of their power

you didn't play the game

Who wonnered?

Guillaume

Who losted?

Seething Maelle endingfags.

Im not the anon, im totally fine with blaming Renoir on gustave's death and the rest of the expedition's
I was just making the particular point about Gustave's trying to buy time since its such a common trope

She forces kid Verso to keep the world stitched together and painted Verso to play the big bro role for her

I mean the real reason is paint Verso's hair was always white, he says he always dyed it black in the gestral village. He is in Lumiere in the end even though he said he didn't really want to live in a city afterwards, so I see it as a detail on him losing his agency and "growing old" like Maelle asked him.

Yeah thats how i understand it

le painted people are not.. le real even doe they have feelings and aspirations and dreams and the will to defy their literal creator

Listen to yourselves, Versosissies.

if your "free" will is a gift from those gods, is it actually "free"?
for the sake of a thought experiment let's assume biblical God exists and he created us with "free will" - the same God who has a "plan" for everyone and everything, so how is free will "free"?

Wait, you actually think the Nevron are eating mountains for fun?

Aline creation are sentient though
Clea and Renoir admit it too

she just undoes the gommages

Alicia can't do that and it shows with their clothes and whatever, like Lune and Sciel she just recreates them.

NTA but doesn't that mean that 's point is completely nullified?
Maelle doesn't paint anything herself, she just locks herself in a room with her mom's and brother's toys.

25, he was a fuckin' kid

wtf Renoir did nothing wrong, he's literally the only adult left in the room trying to fix women's tantrums & emotional escapism. You can't blame him for anything, beside maybe for being so weak he get his ass kicked by his own daughter while she just learned back her painter supapowa the day before.

The only thing interesting thing he said:

The youtube guys says he is is disappointed Lune and Sciel didn't do as much to fight for their lives when they were erased in Verso's ending

and Guillaume responded with

You didn't understand Verso

i dont think we can conclude it one way or the other
i personally think that she paints them again, the same way she painted them back after they got deleted in lumiere with verso's guidance

He lacked tact talking to a bunch of mentally unstable women.
He should know that much at his age

No, that's on why they didn't just confront him about their world and whatever and pressed him harder than they did.
That's when he says they didn't understand verso

Not painting anyone "new" means no new "births". Means completely stagnant and frozen world that doesn't change or move forward.
Gee sounds like an amazing ending for the people of Lumiere. Eternity of nothing is so much better than erasure.

I mean what the fuck are they supposed to do beyond looking at him disappointed
They had mere seconds before getting erased

blame on the person that did the killing

But... the story literally goes out of its way to show that he is partially culpable for the events resulting in his death. To not mention that is to ignore literal canon, so nobody owes it to you to 'go easy on poor Verso'. Alicia/Maelle herself goes out of her way to accuse him and beg from him the truth. Good samaritan acts and all of that bull exist for a reason, purposeful inaction (especially in his case when we see him able to save the day) is as good as action.

that makes more sense

Maybe he got tired of it after a virtual 67 years at enduring their bullshit, and that's why he eventually put this ultimatum kek.
I would have gommed myself if i were him ngl.

You can hear them arguing at the start of act 2, Aline is retarded.

The youtube guys says he is is disappointed Lune and Sciel didn't do as much to fight for their lives when they were erased in Verso's ending

How is that a fucking question even? Was he retarded or just didn't notice the fact that a painted creation even stepping into the "inbetween" immediately gets them Gommaged. Sciel didn't last 5 seconds after stepping in, what the fuck where they supposed to do? God knows why Verso somehow could last for longer, probably has to do with Verso's soul or something idk.

he is partially culpable for the events resulting in his death.

No, you're just being retarded and wanted to blame Verso for killing Gustave when Renoir was stabbing his cane into Gustave's body. It doesn't matter that Verso is a lying faggot or not, he didn't kill Gustave, Renoir did. And do remember Gustave and Maelle had a chance to just jump on Esquie but decided to play skipping rocks, which bought time for Renior to strike.

He said it was "Maman's gift" or something along those lines, that allowed him in there

le painted people are not.. le real

Most vocal Verso supporters truly don't care about anything other than Verso. They make arguments about lack of painted right to exist or sentience when their chosen character to support in all things is himself painted. It is blatant exception made for the character they play as, no more. Even if they wish to resort to claiming that really, they just want to support child Verso, it doesn't change the fact that their primary argument completely re-contextualizes everything Verso does in the story as the actions of an empty-headed puppet. Their primary argument contradicts their primary point of supporting Verso as an individual.

The game plot is awful

Not painting anyone "new" means no new "births".

The paintings take a life of their own she doesn't need to paint new ones. Aline just painted the initial lumiere and it's citizens and used it to larp a "normal" life in it for a few in painting years until Renoir came in to put a stop to it.

JDG mentioned on Anon Babble

based

But the "real" world is still just a video game so the Painters aren't real people either.

do not redeem madarchod

he thinks paintings are a self-replicating virus now

lamo

So that means even Aline knew it was time to stop?

Chroma is not self generating, if you want a new life, you need chroma and a painter needs to do it.

he thinks Aline painted every new baby even after the gommages started happening

Correct.

No, it's just two femisimp soibois, don't read too much into it.

No, you're just being retarded and wanted to blame Verso for killing Gustave

Anything to exonerate Verso of any possible iota of guilt, obviously. To not even acknowledge that it is an extremely morally dubious thing to do robs Verso of character complexity. Grow up. This isn't about literal murder, its about intention to have him die and then save the day a moment too late, all for the sake of making his task easier.

She repainted Lune and Sciel just fine, there is no rule we know of saying that painting more is somehow harder

Why did Aline paint black kids?

No its real, renior said it wasnt a game

Fr*nch woman

it's a mystery

It doesn't matter: Verso did not stab Gustave, Renoir did. And you still continue to be a moronic idiot blaming Gustave's death on Verso and keep rejecting reality.

I wish the painted peoples perspective didn't get so sidelined in act 3 and the endings. Renoir wouldn't care if they are sentient or not, but it is really lame that no one tried to make the case for their right to exist.

see what happened to Julia?

Who the fuck is Julia...?

The game creator is a sissie according to... A literally who anon who can't admit he choose the bad ending

There is no point if they have right or not when they're all dead at the beginning of Act 3.

The trolley problem has a correct solution when one rail is empty, and it's not the one Verso picked.

Ask Alicia, she should be the one but she really doesn't care.

Verso's girlfriend
He killed her btw

I picked Maelle, regretting it afterwards. I guess the game does teach a lesson after all. I made the same mistake Renoir did, I guess father in me just took over in the moment but... you really do want to believe in children and their ability to do and be better. We are making the world for them, so what's the point of denying it to them, right? I genuinely expected Alicia to be better, using the experiences she had, living a second life as Maelle, to have the perspective no other Painter could have before because no one else actually "lived" as a painted creation before. Turns out I was wrong, and it was wrong to trust a fucking sixteen year old not to be stupid and make the same mistakes. You really do need to look after them and "keeping the lights on" is not good enough. You have to fucking think for them, because even the most "mature" child is still a fucking child.

Guess I understand Renoir a little bit more now.

She knew them and they just went through hell and back, cant say the same about the randoms in town

one(1) guy working on the game chose the Verso ending therefore my (literally who) choice is le right one

ngmi

Nothing bad about Lune getting to live her life and Verso the rat doomed to piano duty.

Death of one being is a death of an entire galaxy is the vibe i got from the team waving to Alicia standing behind Verso’s grave

You can really spot the people with room temperature IQ with these kind of posts

references the trolley problem as having one rail empty

Shit thats actually a really good way of explaining it.

They can be brought back, and the Gestrals and Grandis still exist as well.

You have Verso there being her older brother, should have taken the hint

but it's just one more shot daddy!

said the dead junkie.

Verso's girlfriend, trapped, betrayed and killed during Expedition Zero

N-no you reVerso card

I won

Maelle having full access to altering humanity is how india came to life

Abandoned her

literally deleted by maelle without versos ok

kek maelle enders are truely brain rot.

it was a collective decision to make Maelle's ending look, sound and feel like a horror movie, while Verso's is bittersweet, bright sun on the horizon and a family grieving together

One rail empty the no one is actually tied to the tracks.

umm you cant just use my own extremely flawed and retarded logic against me??

I accept your concession, ESLsissy.

Renoir is the one pulling the lever, not Verso. And the track is the expedition

Maelle was happy living with a fresh face in magic lalaland, she did not want to see the reminder she was a cripple in the real world
Im not being ironic here, I would have done the same

I just love how these threads are just shitflinging. Just monkeys throwing shit at each other.

Shut up maggot, i told you i won already

Drugs analogy is fucking stupid because those are outright destructive and it's a no fucking brainer to stop your child from taking them, duh.
If you want to compare it to something irl then technology is better. We keep making the world more advanced for their sake after all so what purpose is there from denying them access to it, but sometimes, not always, technology can ruin their lives.

That's why i hate the stupid (truth) & (lie) addition there. It leaves away all ambiguity about the character's morality the players built in their mind until then.
Both answers could have been a lie for example, by saying "Yes" Verso could share some of the burden of his father, this way not all the blame and resentment from Alicia would be targeted at Renoir alone, when all he does is trying to fix this mess up.
This wouldn't even penalize Verso at all to be seen as a sicko by his sister, since he want to be erased anyway.

those are outright destructive

Just like locking yourself in a painting which leads to certain death in basically irl weeks/months.
Yes.

Marche is still revalent for +20 years for this quote, now imagine how long this shit will last with this game

reminder that both endings are bad endings
the good ending would result in verso dying, maelle disappearing and alicia and her whole family coming together and getting over the death of real verso and stop blaming each other. also alicia stops beeing a chroma addict in the good ending and just painting different canvases but nether overdosing.

Maelle ending feels a bit forced.
Instead of helping her cope with her grief, now that she was in control of the canvas and could work through her problems, Verso throws a faggy hissy fit because he "wants to die RIGHT NOW!!".
Maybe I'm wrong, but Verso feels like the biggest hypocrite. When Allicia decided to not continue her painted existence he was like "Y-Y-You didn't give me time to change her mind", but when they overcame all challenges and could finally have some room to breathe he's suddenly "I can't do this anymore".
Really? Couldn't he wait a month or two? Ask Clea for help? Doing anything else then forcing a impossible choice on someone who is clearly not mentally well? What an actual bitch. Versofags are delusional in thinking that this faggot is in the right.

Drugs analogy is fucking stupid because

They're made by mutts, which can only make analogies throughout either food or drugs

I just want to discuss about Lune's feet, Sciel's dumptruck and Maelle lil cute butt. But the same fags keep talking about what shitty ending is better than the other.

Objectively the correct opinion

>Abandoned her

He abandons her and her father and didn't give Maelle the letter she asked him to give to her that would have explained everything. She lost her Father and she lost her Brother because of that, she had nothing left and asked Maelle to Gommage her. It was entirely down to Verso's selfishness.

The more I think about it, the shittier this game becomes. The entire game is a waste of your time and mental energy since none of it is real or matters.

Guess I understand Renoir a little bit more now.

tbdesu it's quite surprising you weren't understanding him from minute 1 of the plot getting unveiled.
The devs teached you an important lesson today :

always expect the worst from women by default, and even some more for good measure

Even tho tbf french girls are pretty (very) easy going compared to american ones.

Renoir and Aline spent 67 subjective years inside the Canvas and are fine (well Aline isn't, but would have been if she rested properly and not jumped right back into the Canvas). Obviously it's not just how much time you spend inside but to want extend you exert yourself in it.

It truly is funny. Verso essentially swam half away across the ocean, and instead of seeing things through with Lumiere and Maelle, he swam back because he was tired.

KILL
ALL
PAINTERS

I think, therefore I am real if some faggot on Anon Babble say I am

Anon, games arent real

And maybe you will even say that cucklander is a good guy heh chud?

He probably would've seen things through, but then the suicide button was dangled in front of his face and he didn't want to resist the urge to press it.

It's more about Renoir giving up so easily in the end and just being "alright I'll keep the lights on" instead of giving her the same treatment he gave Aline. At first I was confused but after seeing Maelle's ending I realised I basically did the same thing.

Yeah, never trust a sixteen year old to "be better". Even if it's your own child, you can't trust them for shit.

i let verso get trapped forever simply because he killed my boy gustav. simple. fuck verso

this level of misunderstanding of how the trolley problem is being posed, with Verso's choice of action vs inaction with Gustave on the track being the subject

Some people really would blame a woman wearing a skirt for being raped and murdered sooner than the glock carrying bystander who went out of his way to be nearby, saw and heard the whole thing, knew a murder/rape was planned at that moment, and still watched from afar until after it was done to claim credit for intervening only after it was too late. And just to be clear, if anything, Renoir is the trolley itself in this scenario. He is the oncoming death, the trolley problem is about how an onlooker (Verso) handles it and chooses to intervene.

, he swam back because he was tired.

No, because maelle was behaving like a retard.

Maelle ending is either better or worse than Verso's, but we can't know that because we don't get to see the effects of Maelle's control over the canvas.

b-b-but her face falls off

No it doesn't. Her face just starts looking more like her real life self's.

b-b-but painted Verso

Deserved.

But what has Maelle done wrong? We don't even know how much time has passed from fighting Verso to the opera scene at the end. Verso saying Maelle lied about leaving the canvas periodically was just him coping and justifying why he was about to doom Lumiere and everyone in it.

It's more about Renoir giving up so easily in the end

I mean he just got buckbroken by his daughter the minute before. Maybe he thought it would definitely break all the bridges if he continued to insist, and would rather not risk it to keep this "lifeline" open between him and Maelle?

it's better if we ignore all the bad stuff in it

Yes and

Maelle lied about leaving the canvas periodically was just him coping

Autism speaks.

What other 'bad stuff' did you see there, anon?

Yeah and you're the autist speaking.

was just him coping and justifying

... you missed the part where she agrees she lied?

out there I just exist

here I can live

He went against her because he knows Alicia.

missed your post, sorry

Verso is saving himself in a literal sense. Young Verso is tired and want to be free from painting. Not only that, Real Verso's sacrifice to save Alicia is in vain if Alicia decided to die of Escapism overdose.

Fake Verso is just doing what he thinks is right while making choices on Alicia’s behalf and permanently destroying the world she lives in and cares about.
The real Verso is dead, and his sacrifice doesn't mean Alicia is obligated to live up to fake Verso's expectations. Alicia will die anyway, the question is how she wants to live her life. Her life in painting is not lacking anything and works just as real.

all these arguments that given time everything will get better and her family will treat her a lot nicer

That’s a lot of optimistic "ifs", especially for a family that has been unable to overcome grief for so long, blamed the youngest, and still has a bunch of enemies to deal with, holy shitto.

it's 1900s

Ah yes, things will certainly get better in the real world during that time, especially for mute and horribly damaged girl.
Nah, I can't see how Verso's ending is way better for Alicia, than Maelle's.

Her face is telling you things are fucking BAD.cmon anon you know this

Because there is no trolley problem here. What matter is that gustave died at the hand of Renoir and you're far too deep to blaming Verso

Sorry to tell you that but you're terminally retarded...

blamed the youngest,

Are we ignoring WHY?
Or that it's been a couple month tops since he died?

i mean we clearly see that she cant even control color inside the canvas. its all a different shade of grey. meanwhile when aline was in charge the canvas was fully coloured.

We don't even know how much time has passed from fighting Verso to the opera scene at the end

1200 canva years.
Cuck Verso has been playing the fucking piano for 1200 extra years and never got to fuck Maelle either. A fate worse than Hell.

while making choices on Alicia’s behalf

That will kill her.

and permanently destroying the world she lives in and cares about.

That his real self made and agrees he wants to stop.
What right does Alicia have to make choices on Verso's soul's behalf?

she cant even control color inside the canvas

Anon..? The entire opera scene was colored...

the fire rises

Are we ignoring WHY?

Because parents missed the elephant in the room and let a fucking teen made stupid decisions that put the entire family in danger.

Did Maelle say she lied? To me, she had a face of being unsure what she was going to do. First and foremost, she wanted to secure the lives of Lumiere and its people and that meant saying anything she could to drive out Renoir. Now that things have settled down, she can do some self reflection and make trips out of the canvas to recuperate.

Man, just admit to being unable to understand something as simple as the trolley problem in a purely conceptual sense, as posed by that other anon. It more than sufficiently gets across the point, even your denial of Verso's guilt doesn't change the scenario. For instance, you could at least say that in this Trolley problem, no one has a right to expect Verso to pull the lever in a situation that technically does not yet involve him. I'd still disagree, but at least it would prove you can at least understand & conceptualize the scenario to begin with. But you can't, so you just outright ignore it and resort to repeating yourself.

Nah, I can't see how Verso's ending is way better for Alicia, than Maelle's.

Other Canvases exist. Verso's ending doesn't take away her ability to Paint. Are you pretending to be retarded?

games arent real

FUCK, you're right, this really is all gay and stupid. My life is a lie.

There is nothing to admit since this is not a trolley or food analogy argument. It's the matter of FACT and that Gustave was killed by Renoir. We all seen this without eyes. You choose to deny reality, make up some bullshit excuse to blame Verso, a guy that dis not stab Gustave in the chest.

why would she join the people who killed her dear brother brainlet cum?

That will kill her.

She won't life forever in real life too.

That his real self made and agrees he wants to stop.

Real Verso died a long time ago and the shard is tired of war that was caused by parents. Alicia doesn't want to fight anyone.

What right does Alicia have to make choices on Verso's soul's behalf?

Shard is not a real Verso and fake Verso is mortal now, so he can kill himself, if he really wants to die so much,

PAINTED RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

no it wasnt. you are imagining things. are you a writer perchance.

food analogy

Jesus Christ man, just look up the damn trolley problem already.

sad painted man, Verso, wants to doom many other painted people who want to live. who am I to deny sad painted man in his lone struggle against depression

verso literally admits he let gustave die and could have saved him

this poster right here proves my theory that maellefag ending was made for blm activist trannies

I liked my take but no one commented on it ):

woman came up with the greatest storytelling in a videogame

bros???

admits

the one who guards the truth with lies?

It's not about ability to paint, retard.
Alicia doesn't want to play the goddess, she wants to live in the world she likes where she already lived her life as Maelle.
She also sucks as painter and can't create the world like Canvas.

Maellefags can't do simple subtraction

He was 26.
And the soul fragment came from when he was a child, that's why it never aged despite Verso still visiting the canvas when he was older.

Versocucks are barely sentient aspies with no social skills
Maelletroons are fembrained sissies with no logic skills
Both endings are tragic. There is no good ending here.

Find the record called

A 33rd of December in Lumiere

Oh thats a neat little tidbit of worldbuilding lore that their calendar is slightly different to us... 33 days hehe silly lumerians.
See the date on Verso's grave.... oh
the song sucked tho

There is no good ending here.

/me points at Versochad ending

you would never help your little sister from a fire

behold, the enlightened centrist
pity him for his soul has withered and his life has no meaning

Maybe not, but he was completely justified in this scene.

except you can choose to lie if you want, the game tells us outright it's the truth

ignore those other anons bro, I agree with you
and author statements align with both being bittersweet and imperfect endings.

She can always ask for help

Verso the rat.

Replace the trolley with a piano.

Both endings are literally meant to be tragic. It's a classic French tragedy. You're choosing between:

erasing thousands of sentient people with their own hopes, lives and aspirations

returning to a sad, unfulfilling life with a mangled body and a family that hates you

and

living in a fantasy world where everything is seemingly good but is actually just fake

torturing your dead brother for hundreds of years until your real body gives out and you die