Director Guillaume Broche straight up said the Maelle ending is the bad ending during an interview

Not really, it's just escapist brats who throw shit at anyone that choose the objectively best ending

girl named Alicia

goes into a land full of wonders

Oh, I see...

director of the game said he's literally me DMC fan character that can fuck all the girls is in the right

yeah that's really strange but he wasn't the writer, ask what the asian chick that self inserts into lune thinks

He didn't say that, ez bait though

at least in this game escapism bad because at least some of the townspeople got to be monsters instead of cool jrpg main characters going on quests + ivalice is objectively a total shithole where you can go to jail for curing your stab wounds because that's illegal today, a jail so bad if marche is sent there the game automatically ends.

one of the main quests is that it's yearly "everyone in ivalice gives the prince a gift day" because he's more concerned with this then the fact that people need to hire heavily armed mercinaries to take their dog for a walk because there's constant monster/bandit/corrupt judge attacks

He didn't say that

Literally laughed at the guys who were doing the interview for choosing Maelle's ending and said they didn't understand Verso

Delusional till the end

Esquie's VA/Gustave, Verso and Renoir's mocap actor says he prefers Verso's ending

writer says she prefers Verso's ending

director and main creator says he prefers Verso's ending

How much will it take for Maellefags to realize the game's about accepting grief and moving on from it?

Yes.

Grief blinds us. All you see are walls.

He was telling her that her life wasn't over

Link it, else you're full of shit. No I will not google and find evidence for you. Do it yourself nigger. Back your shit opinion up with something other than your bullshit opinion.

every time see her i get this weird urge to stick my tongue into her empty eye socket

Cure for the 'painter problem'

you will never cum inside Alicias eye socket

why even live

Sorry, but you all have to die for my family's mental illness

People fucking LOVE to ignore the fact that Verso literally tells Alicia she can live any life she wants, but the life where she wallows in grief and escapism is the one that will kill her. He literally encourages her to paint hundreds of paintings and life all those lifetimes. Nut no they just cry about MUH GENOCIDE cause they emotionally attached to the first thing they were presented with like literal children.

versofags are always yapping some headcanon nonsense about how verso didn’t want to do it and only decided on it at the last second (monoco tells him he knows what he’s going to do after his quest)

I dont know. Its not like we know how any ending would impact anything else so it hardly matters.

Says he didn't say that

Didn't even watch the interview

"You're full of shit"

It Is worse than i thought

monoco tells him he knows what he’s going to do after his quest

Even Renoir calls him out for choosing this fate but never considering anyone else.

Imagine being such a self-righteous faggot to tell a horribly disfigured girl to "get a life"

Closing time, you don't have to go home

But you can't stay here

Maelle Ending is Cyberpunk Lucy ending (canon)

Verso Ending is like opening scene of RoboCop

Versos ending is the objectively right thing to do but people like the idea of the canvas living on.

Forcing the last remaining bit of her brother (who she got killed btw) soul, to keep painting so she can slowly die whilst living in a fantasy because she's too scared to face reality

Maellefags, why are you so selfish? She already got her brother killed, let the man rest.

I picked Verso because it's what Gustave would've wanted.

bros... I'm a cripple. My life is literally over and there's nothing left for me

Is Alicia retarded or are devs based?

don't play my game! I even put dialogue in the game to tell you not to!

I agree. I will not play your game.

WAAAAH I'M 16 YEARS OLD MY MOMMY DOESN'T ME AND MY LIFE IS OVER I NEED TO ESCAPE

That's an accurate depiction of the average teenager

Sorry, but the innocents live.

That's not what he said.

it's what Gustave would've wanted.

So the whole game was pointless then? I can see why the Japs didn't like this game. Even SO3 had their world and lives matter once Lucifer erased everything. This game says Lucifer was right and no one should exist but him.

There's no happy ending, so the game is shit

children

Later debunks his own ideological stance to save Maelle

She was supposed to cum after.

Gustave would've wanted his sister and apprentices to die

If Gustave were alive he would have convinced Maelle to go home after fixing the mess her family's metal illness caused something Verso was to much of a faggot to achieve.

He literally said the devs themselves don't agree on the best ending. Fucking Indian retards making shit up.

No, it's pointless. The entire world is fake and doesn't matter.

He was the co-writer.

I don't think you understand how little Alicia cares about Gustave compared to Verso.

Gustave would have told Maelle to go home

Gustave would have told Verso to stop being a faggot

/our/ hero?

Really? There won't be anymore shit flinging then. Just link the source so people can use it in the future. You do have a source right, you weren't just pulling it out of your ass?

Yeah, the dev team, not him, the creator and cowriter of the game who couldn't stop laughing at the interviewers seething because they chose Maelle and had to cope with it feeling like a bad end compared to verso's ending.

"Maelle"fags are too soft in the head to understand that Maelle ≠ White Maelle

He meant that he didn't understand verso because Verso wouldn't be the kinda person to go in camp and tell the team the truth and his goals. But you're a fucking retard so of course you didn't understand.

Gustav would shank Maelle to kick her out.

anybody have the webm of Verso smoking? It's the funniest thing I've ever seen

A real hero would impregnate Alicia.

Why did Maelle want to fuck her brother so badly?

Versofags... LIED?

Piano-cucks identify with a character that wants to ACK himself

If my mother raised me as a ghost, I would want to exorcise myself in order for my family to move on, yes.

youtube.com/watch?v=i9rBGOMdJCk

Ah so you are literally autistic then if that,s what you read from this.

Troon-cope

reincarnated julie chroma

Maellejunkies are looking ridiculous again

That never happened nigger, they were disagreeing live on the endings, about how the Maelle one was given too spooky visuals, and agreed there's no single better one
Retard

youtu.be/i9rBGOMdJCk
Also interesting from it, the fact that Gustave and Sophie looks like Verso and Clea isn't intended, the artist just used the same base for both and left some leftovers

main interviewer starts talking

he chose maelle

he's incredibly butthurt about the ending and how it was framed as a bad end

agrees verso is the good and intended ending

Meanwhile, Guillaume

laughs

keep getting mad bro, I love this shit

That's the first 10 minutes of the interview.

"Do you still believe that?"

silence

avoids eye contact

"Do you?"

more silence

more avoiding eye contact

"... I hope I do."

Another laugh at maellecopers thread

Oniichan daisukiiiiii!

He didn't.

is this game too deep for you?

and agreed there's no single better one

The interviewers all accepted that verso's felt like the better one, however. In an extremely dismissive tone because he couldn't accept it but he goes into a whole rant about it.
Guillaume, meanwhile, laughs because he won't talk about the endings or their interpretation.

The interviewers all accepted that verso's felt like the better one

*for following themes

create a living breathing universe

yes destroying life is valid so people can move on from grief in a different world

wrong

Disfigured, probably still have face pain.

One eye

Gated by mother

Unable to talk

I'm honestly shocked it took her this long to retreat into a canvas with her power.

Yes? They even called it the good one for that exact reason? And then proceeded to whine about the black and white filter and the jumpscare in Maelle's ending because it makes it feel like the bad ending (which they agree too)?
It's the normal take on the game.

Those guys are coping harder than the Dessandres lmaoooo

You misunderstand, she's still allowed to go hide in canvases, torture more people if she feels like it, encouraged even. The Dessendres only care for Verso's soul.

It's getting destroyed anyway, at least get something positive out of it.

I wish someone would interview the lead writer. That's who I wanna hear the most, but maybe she doesn't want to.

IF creating a painted world is creating real, true life with souls and it is a good thing
THEN
it is better to create a larger number of worlds.
If Maelle stays in this world and restores it, she is creating 1 (one) world of life.
If she left the world and didn't die, she could create many, many worlds, which is more than one.

But Maelle's route literally saves it.

encouraged even

Honestly wouldn't surprise me. Total Painter death.

is he crying in the scene?

I chose the Verso ending because im a Renoirchad/Cleasimp. Simple as.

But Maelle's route literally saves it*

*until she dies or looks like she's about to and Renoir comes in and destroys it anyway.
You literally don't understand how doomed the canvas is.

That's a retarded argument. Hypothetical lives aren't worth as much as real lives. Otherwise you could justify shit like. Killing retirees and take their money to pay young couples who couldn't afford to have kids otherwise.

The writer is releasing more lore drops she's written about Lumiere and past expeditions on her socials, they apparently have a ton of history of Lumiere written, including Gustave's family and history.
So if anything, Lumiere is shown as important.

Why is it the creators obligation to create endlessly and not create one? Is it somehow morally good to create endlessly and abandon your creation or protect your one creation?

we don't want the story to be cut and dry in terms of this is right, this is wrong, this is what you should be doing

No, it's a happy moment after all, Alicia would never ever allow it.

Verso's ending is better executed. It wraps up the story nicely and doesn't leave loose ends.
In Maelle's ending the fate of the characters and state of the painted world is left obscure and unanswered.
I personally prefer Maelle ending because the people of Lumiere deserve a win, even if it is just buying them a few more decades of existance, but i can see why developers like the Verso ending more.

She will outlive Renoir.

Where? I haven't seen shit on her insta.

In Maelle's ending the fate of the characters and state of the painted world is left obscure and unanswered.

I believe that is the point.

She went 4 generations deep with notes for every single year in her world building apparently.

That's like saying it's immoral not to rape as many women as possible because it would maximize the potential life in the world.

Yeah, sure she will while the canvas kills her.

Imagine siding with a compulsive liar whose Father gave up on and Sister disowned over this cute demiurge.

but i can see why developers like the Verso ending more.

Because you're retarded and believe random shit you see on the internet?

It's the normal take on the game.

This is true, but I prefer judging events from an in-universe perspective rather than if they accomplish the goal of their writer

There was no clear indication Maelle was succumbing to the canvas and its corruption of prior people was using it as an outlet for grief rather than truly living in it.

Don't care. I made YOU a 'jak now.

Debating doing a challenge run of this. probably a solo. Should I do Gustave/Verso first or Maelle, since they're both the characterts in your party most often? Do any lumina you spend on Gustave transfer over to verso?

There was no clear indication Maelle was succumbing to the canvas

Aside from forcing verso to do her bidding.

was using it as an outlet for grief rather than truly living in it.

Same as Aline, still dying
If she doesn't get out of the canvas, she dies.
It's THAT easy and the whole point of the ending.

Link to interview?

It's good that you still included her delusions.

Reverse uno card

That's really embarrassing

It is so funny that Versofags are also can't breathe without lying

People don't understand that Maelle's ending makes no sense
I just wonder if the devs have that (self)awareness

cute demiurge.

She's just mooching off her dead brother who she got killed.

the only ending where lune gets to be happy is also the ending where maelle goes mad with grief, cope, and god-powers, and where verso has to suffer a lifetime (or longer) to reluctantly live through what used to be his passion (no doubt ruining it for him) to please his sister while she acts as life support for the world that ruined his family

What the fuck bros? The Dessendre family is fucked up.
Lune...

Piano-cuck

youtu.be/i9rBGOMdJCk

Should use the anger visage.

Here's what was actually said

the interviewer jokingly complained that he didn't like how Maelle's ending was presented as an outright bad one, and that secondary characters were ignored (especially Gustave and Lune)

Guillaume said their goal was to not have a clear "good" ending and both endings were supposed to be open ended and ambiguous to allow discussion

all well written stories should have the space for different interpretations (and it worked, you fuckers are arguing 3 weeks after)

they said that even in Sandfall opinions are divided, some think Verso is a misunderstood tragic antihero, others think he's a lying sack of shit

Guillaume didn't express any opinion of his own

Aside from forcing verso to do her bidding.

Who cares? It's completely irrelevant now.

I remember everyone shit the bed over Star Ocean 3's AI reveal. But in the end, Lucifer was proven to be false and the characters really did have souls in the end of the game. It went all Descartes, "I think therefore I am". But this game does the opposite and says NONE of it matters, just the Dessendres family drama.

I loved this game visually, music, gameplay and characters. But fuck the story after Act 2. Completely ruined.

Never has the chad meme been so misused than by autistic retards who think genociding everyone you were meant to save is the “good” ending.

Never forget.

In the Verso ending, Verso actually comforts Maelle as she fades and reassures her that her future is bright and that she will one day paint magnificent worlds like this one.

The final scene shows all of Maelle's loved ones standing behind Verso's grave before fading away, showing they will always be with Alicia.

In the Maelle ending, Maelle watches Verso fade while he begs to be erased and the part of the real Verso that is in in repeats that he doesn't want this while she yaks on about how herself.

Final scene shows Maelle is in the extremely late stages of over exposure and she forces Verso to play the piano.

okingly complained

Yeah, jokingly, not a 5 minute rant on how he didn't like how it felt like a bad end.

some think Verso is a misunderstood tragic antihero, others think he's a lying sack of shit

Actually making stuff up already, amazing.

Seeing her so pissed off in the Verso ending made me laugh immediately. Sciel I felt more understanding for because she just couldn't take anymore and was ready to go in that moment after so much grief, but Lune just staring so viscerally at Verso was hilarious to me.

everyone you were meant to save

Verso was meant to save his family.
He did just that.
Mission accomplished.

Le genocide

They were already doomed as the paintress left the canvas, illiterate monkey

It went all Descartes, "I think therefore I am". But this game does the opposite and says NONE of it matters, just the Dessendres family drama.

It's going to be some bullshit that Alicia still carries the memory of Lumiere within her as a very amateur Painter and she'll bring them back somewhere else.

goes mad with grief

Do you women need to overreact like this? Ohhhhhh nooooooo, the screen was gray, this is the end of the world.

Never have I seen a more rampant and deluded bunch of waifufags shrieking that their queen is right.

Who the fuck are The Writers?
Who the fuck is Clea?
Was she good/evil?

I finished the game and none of this was clear.

Because Maelle was going to paint the outside world for her, a painting within a painting.

Yet she gets nothing and dies.

the ending where maelle goes mad with grief, cope, and god-powers

She's gonna be alright mate

Genocide

Who's getting genocided? All the people in Lumiere are already dead.

Verso should force Maelle out of the painting. Then Renoir should give the Canvas to The Writers for safe-keeping without the rest of the family knowing.

she just couldn't take anymore and was ready to go

Sciel simply understands, she said so herself, she'd do the same given his circumstances.

shrieking that their queen is right.

DUDE

and that secondary characters were ignored (especially Gustave and Lune)

What more do people want besides seeing Gustave reunited with Sophie and looking happy? Some narrator telling you "and thus Gustave was reunited with Sophie as a happy couple"?

Alicia is a shit painter. Aline even said so. Your narrative is made up nonsense.

Verso should force Maelle out of the painting.

He did, the issue is that painters can always come back because nothing can stop them from doing just that.

Right now. Painting is a skill.

Oh my god... Maellefags are Edelgardfags

in the extremely late stages of over exposure

You have seen more than enough characters with this effect to know that this is them activating their powers and nothing else.

You imbecile do you know what WRITERS would do the the canvas???????????????

DUDE THE CANVAS IS ACTUALLY MORE ADDICTIVE THAN FENTANYL AND HEROIN COMBINED AND NO MATTER WHERE YOU HIDE IT ALINE WILL FIND IT AGAIN AND BECAUSE PAINTED VERSO WANTS TO DIE THAT MEANS THE ENTIRE CANVAS NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED AND ALSO IF YOU CHOOSE TO SAVE THE CANVAS ANYWAYS WE'LL MAKE MAELLE ACT LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTER JUST TO MAKE IT A BAD ENDING

Not contrived reddit writing btw

I'm trying to make sense of what the fuck the expeditioners appearing at the end of the Verso ending is supposed to mean.
Is she still remembering and carrying their memory along, like the motto says?
Is she intentionally leaving them behind and forgetting to move on, something something muh grief they all get oblivion?

Alicia is a shit painter.

She can improve.

Exact same obsession and headcanons about the story and how everything is painted, yes.

teenager exaggerates and is unstable emotionally

No, this couldn't possibly be the case.

You're not dead when you can be fully brought back. That's like claiming someone doesn't have a pulse because there is a break between heart beats.

Do you women need to overreact like this?

Grief is why she refuses to leave the painting and forces Verso to live a life he doesn't want. It's an accurate description, not an overreaction.

O MATTER WHERE YOU HIDE IT ALINE WILL FIND IT AGAIN

She found it a couple minutes after she was driven out of it due to how time dilation works, yes.
Painters can actually affect their reality going by how renoir and clea repainted their manor.

Painting is a skill that is practiced. Also, I'd say that Alicia being able to bring back Lune and Sciel along with partially resurrecting the other Expeditions shows she has some latent talent with the magic side of things but lacks inspiration

Clea was fighting the Writers to stop them from writing a better Act 3.

Being a burned half-blind mute cripple who can't breathe without being in pain is not some minor impediment, you children.

for all we know, the writers could turn up tomorrow and finish torching the manor and destroy the canvas

Doesn't mean you need yourself because of it.
That's an insult to disabled people.

Act 3 was good. Source: 80.000 posts arguing about it on this website alone.

Both ending are not good nor bad, implying that you should look at them in a more open-minded and deeper reflection

End up thinking at them on toddler scale spatial paradigm anyways

You will never leave shutter island

You're not dead when you can be fully brought back.

So who's getting genocided then? Aline can bring them back in another canvas.

I just wanted an ending where Lumiere survives. Total dessandre death would be a perfectly reasonable price to pay for total expeditioner victory.

Anon, if that's the cases then that also 100% confirms that she literally FORCES Verso to play the piano at the end.

Whats the point when it seems everyone on their dev team wants the verso ending? I’m starting to think sandfall is retarded. They do everything in their power to try and make you care about lumiere, just to erase it in the end and act like they don’t matter? Its stupid.

they are not good nor bad

one just follows the intended themes of the game while the other is shot like a horror movie

Creating magic life from painting is not.

The easiest way to feel smart is being too dumb to realize how little you know after all.

He deserves it.

Une vie à t'aimer

male voice: Renoir

female voice: Aline

Violin: Alicia

Piano: Verso

THEY'RE NOT REAL YOU VIRGIN!
THOSE NIGGAS ARE PAINTED.
IMAGINE BEING FRIENDS WITH PAINT

Says who?

That ass with the floral shirt is insufferable, of course he'd prefer Maelle

You're too stupid to understand the nuances of any "intended themes".

Yeah well Maelle literally does that. So the argument is moot

You're right.
Every cripple should crawl into VRland and die there without burdening the rest of us.

Sorry anon but I made a better version

The devs are retarded because... they don't agree with LE ME!

Aline was the villain for bringing Verso's canvas into her grief and dooming the world to die because of it.

Gustave would've found a way to go in the real world and merc all painters. That's why Verso had him killed. He was scared.

THEN THE ENTIRE STORY IS POINTLESS OUTSIDE OF THE DESSENDRE SOAP OPERA, EVERYTHING PERTAINING TO LUMIERE AND THE WORLD WITHIN THE CANVAS SERVES NO PURPOSE

And Alicia kept doing just that in her ending.
She's just Aline all over again.

Maelle is not Alicia in the real world, anon. lol Maelle is her magic mary sue avatar self insert.

You imbecile do you know what WRITERS would do the the canvas???????????????

No. But hopefully they would find it too intriguing and curious to do anything too bad with it. I bet they're a morally decrepit bunch, but they don't strike me as a bunch that'd destroy shit out of spite or for shits and giggles. Maybe, but they're probably autists obsessed with creation in their own way. A world created by paint instead of words. A world that they can't create. Is probably too interesting to destroy, even if they hate the Painters.
And holding the Dessendre family's most precious canvas hostage, is probably more amusing to them than to destroy it.

Yes.
That's the point.

Verso deserves to suffer for being a 25 year old NEET nepo baby thinking he's going to make it big in the music industry any day now.

They were relevant to Alicia/Maelle.

As developers they probably value the endings based on execution rather than story outcome.

when it seems everyone on their dev team wants the verso ending?

That's not true. They straight up said so to make people stop slapfighting.
They did go too heavy handed on muh themes though, have to agree on that. Should have focused more on the implications of their actual story.

what WRITERS would do the the canvas

???????????????

I think the writers would protect the canvas, because they are fighting against the Painters over their blatant disrespect for created life.

So, with the Maelle ending. What are the chances that Clea would inevitably go into the painting and beat the absolute shit out of Maelle and drag Alicia back to the real world? Because it's implied she's retardedly strong.

They're more relevant to Alicia than her irl faggot family

Why would anyone care about the wellbeing of an immoral, malevolent family?

English interview
youtube.com/watch?v=7WY-ZcPdYXo

They did and she said that there is no good or bad ending:

... You do realise that Maelle and Alicia ARE THE SAME FUCKING PERSON.

Okay but why in the absolute fuck did she made him again? He was LITERALLY telling her how much he wanted to die.

Like, she could have her escape fantasy with all her other friends and she wouldn't have bother anyone, even had fucking Gustava as a brother replacement, but no, she HAD to include Verso as well.
What the fuck man. I hate women so much.

I just finish the game and I want to vent.

Reminder that Maelle is already dead in her ending. Alecia is not Maelle, she's pretending

Her family hates her aside from maybe her dad who is moslty just disappointed and embarrassed by her. They'd probably just let her die, which isn't that bad all things considered, she gets a few decades to enjoy herself

I think both endings are equally soul crushing therefore there is no good ending.

I am not watching that.

I meant a video interview.

I'd say 0% because Maelle already won against both the Paintress and Renoir when she was at a massive chroma disadvantage.
Maelle is now in full control and probably better prepared than for a possible attack than her mother was.

True. I want a sequel where Gustav invents a chroma conveter that lets him escape the painting and then kicks Renoir in the nuts. He will also breed Clea.

Pretty much. You see Maelle Gommage and then Alicia reappears. Maelle is gone, that's why her hair stays white.

You can probably feed this image to an AI so it'll read it to you if that's too much text.

Most subtle piano-cuck falseflag

Maelle is the avatar of Alicia. Maelle can speak and do 180000000 HP damage. Alica is a burned mute with no magic powers who sucks at everything. You can't see this?

Retard. Text interviews are always like 10 sentences because nobody is gonna write a 50 pages article.

Verso imposes himself on the party half way in. His desires were not part of why people went on the expedition, he’s an infiltrator, and a lair and manipulator who is a detriment to the mission. Mission accomplished? No, mission subverted to his selfish ends.

Honestly, close to zero. Clea is a pragmatist bordering on sociopathic. She only cares that people are in the canvas because it's fucking with her revenge plot against the writers. If it was just Aline in there, she wouldn't care, if it was just Alicia, she wouldn't care.
Renoir is ultimately broken by the end of the game. He doesn't have the strength or the conviction to say no to Alicia.
The biggest danger is Aline dragging her rotting broken body back over to the canvas as soon as she's able to and choosing to die in there too and then the family wars would probably start again.

The most likely scenario to Maelle's ending is that Alicia withers and dies in the real world faster than her family, and Renoir and Clea destroy the painting so that Aline can't go back in.

?

they are fighting against the Painters over their blatant disrespect for created life.

Explains why they blew up a 16 year old.

Alicia is still Maelle, just with her original memories added to the mix.

escape the painting and then kicks Renoir in the nuts. He will also breed Clea.

No daughter of mine will be bringing home a CHROMIGGER

Maelle already won against both the Paintress and Renoir

She won with Verso, who was given an insane power spike within the painting by Aline. Alicia is not stronger than Renoir or Aline, but with Verso she was able to beat them after they were withered for 67+ years.

Her family hates her

Her mother is grieving the death of her oldest child

Her sister is waging a one woman war on those responsible

Her father is trying to save his wife from killing herewith her own grief

Also

Clea entered the painting after Maelle to tell Painted Verso to look out for Alicia because she was worried

That's hate huh? I think you are just retarded and don't know how grief effects people.

Clea was happy with leaving her 16 years in the canvas already, and she just got her mom and dad to help her autistc war so I think she'll just leave her alone
She is only hurting herself after all

killed the son

maimed the daughter

drove both parents into a different plane of existence

The writers might be ruthless, but not ineffective.

"I do not accept this end" update where Alicia escapes the canvas with all her favorite creations and fuck Writer shit up when?

Lune : I've never seen you before *shoots*

Good ending unlocked

Let's settle this once and for all.
strawpoll.com/3RnYX8NpBye

Alicia is still Maelle

I only serve my Queen.

Gradient limit break ending.

Is Renoir the only good guy in the story?

She stays in the painting to safeguard her friends lives and avoid her crippled state. Grief barely factors into it. Alicia is never shown grief stricken like Aline, duh she misses her brother but it is not the defining motivation for her.

Anon, Maelle=/=Alicia
Maelle died in act 2 and Alicia got her memories but that doesn't make her Maelle.
Alicia only cares about Verso and the only way to deal with her crushing guilt is to drown in her fantasies and make herself a fake brother.
Even as he dies, the first thing she does is look at his chroma, thinking that she can just make him again.
Alicia is an extremely selfish and deluded teenager who wants to live in her own perfect fantasy and she needs her brother playing the piano for it to be perfect
That's why you don't choose her ending.

No, that's Gustave.

yes. Even if he isn't he'd still be the most rational one

Her family resents her at best, hates her at worst. They all wish she died in the fire instead. There is numerous clues throughout the game, autismo

it is not the defining motivation for her.

I JUST wanted to spend a lifetime with you

It's verso's only canvas dad!

don't leave me again verso!

yeah, a non issue.

This game is a French tragedy. The only selfless moral beacon dies from treachery.

I just want Alicia to have the chance at a happy life. DLC where we can save her when?

Moron.

Honestly I hope to god Sandfall is working on a story campaign DLC that adds a super secret final 3rd ending.

It's incredible how this man leaves Gustave to die and people finish the game hating Maelle more than him.

we deserve to live

we deserve to exist

pAlicia a cute

She stays in the painting to safeguard her friends lives and avoid her crippled state

grief barely factors into it

You honestly couldn't be more wrong. Her grief over the loss of her painted "family" and her painted brother is what blinds her and keeps her trapped in the canvas in her ending. She is choosing to end her life with full control over the "scenario" rather than have to face anything that would lead to an unsure future. Her grief and regret is what drives Alicia's motivations to even entering the painting.

which one

It's just fags and women who can't resist a gruff voice saying "I'm tired". Literally every Versofag I watched picked him only because he said he was tired lmao.

you have to be alive to die. The flower petal people aren't real. The escapism will stop

Alpha female.

"people"

The red canvases and giant door in the Endless Tower, are placeholders for potential DLC right?
A painting within a painting. Outside worlds as Maelle explained it to Lune. Each canvas, as Clea put it, with its own rules.

The smaller canvases could be odd challenges like the trials that are actually in the Endless Tower already. And the huge door could like, potentially even load a world with its own new map and stuff, right?
That's of course assuming the devs actually does something like it.

But what else is the point of the Endless Tower? Cut content?

Verso when he was still chained in the cave

everything he does is for his family, no matter how dubious (at best) it is

everything she does is for herself and her issues

PC vegans made the wrong choice

lol

Be the reason rival group kills older brother and maims you

Oh why is my family angry with meeeeee

He was a bit too strong headed. He did want to save his family, but he wanted to save them his way with no room for compromise, driving his wife deeper into grief.
I think it would be very likely for Aline to just kill herself if Renoir successfully managed to wipe the canvas clean and I definitely don't see a way for them to reunite if she doesn't kill herself.

Clair Obscur 2

The devs accept the Maelle ending as the canon one

Clea enters the painting to get Alicia out

Maelle became the new paintress, she has total control on the canvas and his inhabitants

Every character you liked and loved in the first game now sides with her and became guardians of the painting, which you need to kill in order to get to Maelle

His family is literally already dead though.

Her family hates her

This is such a retarded take. Even Aline doesn’t hate her, she blames her for verso’s death, but that isn’t hate. Bunch of childish idiots making presumptuous statements.

yeah theyre a bit sus

Everyone dies at the end of act 2

What genocide, anon? The fake copies Maelle was planning to make in her ending that didn't actually exist at all?

I NEED to invalidate the point of the game

Cease.

Verso used to think this

Clearly changed his mind once he understood his "maman" was dying for their sake

WOWWWWWWWWWW WHAT A HYPOCRITE AMIRITE?

Verso when he didn't have an emotional outburst.

I think I'm with the Anon Babble fags here, painters obviously deserved to burn and it's a pity they just got 1.5 of them.

Well. She erased his sister. They're kind of even on that one.

Why would Renoir wish his favorite would have died?

Aline is his mother, no other way about it.
Real Alicia is his sister as far as Aline's fucked up memories input into him are concerned.

the point of the game was to forever play make-believe in wonderland

(you)

same game all over again

The whole point of the story is to break the cycles you are trapped in.

help your mom

your mom dies because of it

At this point they should do an episode verso that covers his whole life so retards can track his motivations.

Maelle died at the end of Act 2. In Act 3 she was replaced by a skin walker bitch.

She doesn't have to die for his sake anymore. Neither was she ever. Life in the canvas isn't sustained off the life force of a paintress. You're not making any sense.

Fuck I’m arguing with a bunch of pc 3rd worlders with their stunted brains.

Maybe you need to pay attention because Gustave’s death was literally the entire motivation for Maelle’s character arc

See Renoir's Axon version of Alicia

somehow take away that he hated her from that

Anon... your prudence...

They both hate each other, this is alluded many times throughout the game

there's zero sacrifice at all actually because their existence of people fighting for their lives is invalid

You're ruining the game.
In your idea, Renoir wasn't a cutthroat father who was ready to kill for his family, because he never actually killed anyone.
Painted Renoir gutting Gustave in front of Maelle then giving her a reassuring head pat? It wasn't one of the most emotionally tense scenes in the game, because he didn't kill anyone, it was muh deleting a tamagotchi.

Will Clea wear shoes?

he literally got them killed but alright

Seeing Gustave die again but by my hand

I could not do this man

The Maelle ending both frees the mother and gives the people of Lumiere the best shot at existence. I don't think you need an "episode" to read this post, but you're free to make one if that helps.

No, anon. NTA but the point of the game is that the people in the painted worlds are alive, their grief, their feelings and emotions matter, but Maelle remaking them is still not right. The point is that you, the player, grieves the loss of Lumiere and not pick the bad ending where Maelle and (You) live a lie in a fake copy of Lumiere.

Renoir didn't create the axons. And Renoir is the only one who merely resents her rather than hating her

In your idea, Renoir wasn't a cutthroat father who was ready to kill for his family, because he never actually killed anyone.

Painted Renoir gutting Gustave in front of Maelle then giving her a reassuring head pat? It wasn't one of the most emotionally tense scenes in the game, because he didn't kill anyone, it was muh deleting a tamagotchi.

yes? every "person" you see in the game is a doll created by Aline for her fake family to play with

frees the mother and gives the people of Lumiere the best shot at existence.

And Alicia dying is magically fine too? The whole reason he fights her?

everything she does is for herself and her issues

Are verso fags this retarded? Do they not understand love for the friends around you can be stronger than that for the family you have no say in being born into? Alicia/Maelle fights for lumiere.

She doesn't have to die for his sake anymore. Neither was she ever

But she was going to. Are we really going to have this conversation? She was more than happy to kill herself staying in the painting.
Verso specifically only decides to go through with his plan to end the canvas because Alicia outright lied to Renoir, and because he had to witness Aline killing herself for a second time in the window Renoir opens up.

People who are already dead and would have new copies made of them would "have a shot at existence"

No. Verso makes this very clear, the newly painted Lumierites wouldn't be the same as the ones who got gommaged.

look at this fucking coward coping

People I agree with type like humans.
People I disagree with type like idiots.

Why is that?

“Hate” is Never mentioned, autist.

just say you weren't paying attention, retard.

Maellefags would have sided with antispiral and live inside pocket dimension

They deserve the drill

the point of the game is that the people in the painted worlds are alive, their grief, their feelings and emotions matter, but Maelle remaking them is still not right.

The point is that you, the player, grieves the loss of Lumiere and not pick the bad ending where Maelle and (You) live a lie in a fake copy of Lumiere.

I agree with this post wholeheartedly, as someone who empathized with the struggle of Lumiere very deeply. They were dealt a horrible hand, because the story is a tragedy, and their best outcome is ending the pain.

Alicia/Maelle fights for lumiere.

Alicia disagrees, in her fight against renoir and her conversations with verso in both endings.

Except it worked.
Aline was actually receptive to him in the end once she stopped running from her grief.
Still, she's a cunt for what she did to painted alicia.

I never liked Verso, the story took a nosedive after Gustav's death, he was way better so the ending choice was easy for me

Renoir didn't create the axons

You didn't play the game. Yes he did. Seline, Visages, the unnamed Alicia Axon and Clea Axons were all created by Renoir.
Which... you know... is why Seline and Visages are helping him in his fight

She fights for people who are already dead

Again, reviving lumiere is a lie. A very obvious lie that the game points out to you repeatedly before the end. You are willfully ignorant because you cannot deal with the grief and let go of those who were lost, and it's almost beautiful how well that mirrors the mistakes that cause the story to happen in the first place.

I'm not paying attention? If you actually played the game you would know full fucking well the people of Lumiere have their own autonomy, beliefs and sentience. Motherfucking Verso himself disagrees with you, coward.

The DLC will be Expedition Zero with Simon as the protagonist.

Sirene is supposed to be Aline. I don't think we ever see Alicia's axon

b-but my gay shounenshit

Anon, the people of Lumiere have a right to exist and should not suffer for the Dessendre's fuckups.

She’s not dead yet. You think lune and gustave would just sit by and watch her turn into a cracked faceless paintress statue and not tell her “its time to go but please safeguard us when you’re gone”?
Why do so many verso fags act like paint over the eyes is a death sentence when every painter is shown with it?

The flower petal people aren't real

I don't like this argument.
I watched a video of some streamer complaining about "nothing that I did in chapter 1 and 2 matters because this world and inhabitants aren't real"

Like bitch, they are alive, they are born, raise, and die in that world, they think for themselves and have emotions, it's no different if this was just other planet or dimension.

One of the things that bothers me about Verso ending is that he willingly sacrifices an entire world and all that lives in just because his moral code.
Imagine that you were one of them and this bitch ass emo boy tells you that a little dead kid's feelings are more important than you, your family and all have you ever known.

Expedition Zero

Not Expedition 60

A very obvious lie that the game points out to you repeatedly before the end

Make a list of examples.

I don't think we ever see Alicia's axon

Speak to Alicia when you play the game anon. You get a side quest to find painted Alicia, who is hanging out with the Alicia Axon.

Wrong. Francois will be the protagonist and he will invade the real world to be with Clea, the writers will be the main antagonist and they will die to frost lasers.

It came to me in a dream.

You think they have a say?
Alicia admitted she's never leaving, that's the ending of the story.

Motherfucking Verso himself disagrees with you

youtu.be/mGnLf9qJgjM?t=11640

make believe world

coward

projection.
again, you are retarded

Seline

It's sirene you secondary faggot

Read between the lines autismo, not everything is explicit

oh goodie the gay family of sociopaths was preserved at the cost of omnicide.

anime picture

best post

every time

He said they didn't understand Verso because they said something about the character that kind of goes against him. He explicitly says he doesn't want people to think there's a "good/bad ending" and won't comment on them much for that reason.

Literally nowhere is this implied. The only thing that is said is that the chroma in people killed by Nevrons is corrupted and can,t be used to revive them. It doesn't say anything else. Renoir and Aline being gone means that all the chroma is for Maelle to use and there is nothing that indicates she can't revive people the same way she revived Sciel and Lune. She could spot their chroma and use it, it's likely she can see every "soul" and then revive them individually. Pierre, Sophie and Gustave are revived that way and Sciel doesn't seem to think that Pierre is a weird copy.

A very obvious lie that the game points out to you repeatedly before the end.

It shows you that they can be revived when she brought back Lune and Sciel, she just needs to be able to take control of the chroma in the canvas.

My mom is more important than every anon in this thread. I'd gladly let you all die to save her.

It's right to pity the Canvas, but it's not right to choose them over real people.

oh shit he realised I don't know what i'm talking about and I didn't know that Renoir created the axons

uhh uhhh OH HE MISPELLED ONE OF THE NAMES!!!!

You're done.

Please post the screenshot where Alicia says she is never leaving the painting.

Sorry Versofags but genocide for the sake of some deoressed bitch is not a good thing. I have no reason to care about Aline's well being let alone prioritize it over an entire city of people

everyone here plays vidya as escapism and/or wants to be little girls, or get isekai'd etc

but also they pretend that they wouldn't also immediately pleasure cube themselves into the canvas

Sciel gets it.
I wouldn't agree but I'd understand why he does it since I'd do the same, really.

If I had the ability to create hundreds of pleasure cubes, I wouldn't be super attached to the first ever one I got to experience that I didn't even make.

but it's not right to choose them over real people.

Half this website would argue to mass murder some boogeyman group of people (blacks, jews, indians, trans etc.)

nta but she literally admits it to notverso when he calls her out on it after renoir leaves at the end

I think forcing painter Verso to paint against his will for all eternity to keep the canvas alive is a greater ethical violation.

I accept that my urges are wrong.
I wish I had someone in my life who forced me to fix it.

The Dessandres are video game characters. The people of Lumiere are video game characters. I like the people of Lumiere more.

I'm not even the same person you fucking moron. Follow the damn conversation

The only thing that is said is that the chroma in people killed by Nevrons is corrupted and can,t be used to revive them

Everyone who selflessly fought for everyone's sake is dead forever

Everyone who stayed comfy and at tendies in their final year can be revived perfectly

NEETGODS

What if the canvas becomes unstable due to Alicia inexperience and merges with the real world?

The part where verso tolds her to go back and she says she doesn't have a life outside.
Or the part where she admits she's lying about leaving the canvas to her dad.
You know, the basis for the final fight.

Maelle tells Sciel that she can bring Pierre back. This is obviously a lie as she never even knew Pierre and his Chroma is long since been used up in Renoir's creations.
We see Renoir turn the chroma in Lumiere from the last Gommage into Nevrons, the whole final area is a big battle of Maelle's old chroma golems and the Nevrons Renoir made specifically out of the Lumierites. They cannot be brought back as they were.
Verso has several speeches and conversations as to the nature of their existence, with Esquie in particular, where he points out that making such a copy of someone isn't the real them, its like them, but it's not them. Hell his whole character servers to hammer that point home. There's more but you surely get the point.

wouldn't also immediately pleasure cube themselves into the canvas

God imagine how much paintussy Renoir tapped before his wife found him

You’re reading between the lines too much. There is no evidence of hate, only a grief stricken mother laying blame in her anguish. That’s not hate. You’re the autismo if you think otherwise. Please post a screenshot where it’s said that Aline “hates” Alicia.

not that verso you stupid fucking cunt, the soul of Verso
try playing the actual game instead of watching a let's play

I wouldn't be super attached to the first ever one I got to experience that I didn't even make.

I would consider the creation and destruction of whole worlds of living and self aware creatures as trivial as crushing an ant with my shoe

Yes, that's what the demiurge Dessendres think, and that's why The Day of the Turpentine is coming for them.

Appeal to triviality

I'm clearly arguing in regards to a world wherein the painters are "real"

responds to a conversation he wasn't in previously on an anonymous board

dude how did you think I was the other retard???

It's ok that you didn't know Renoir created the Axons. It's expected of someone who didn't play the game.

You fucking retard. Verso is talking about Painted People versus Real World people. Of course they aren't the same. Painted people are made of Chroma, not carbon and water. Nothing says that painted people can,t be revived.

Except there was another requirement you're conveniently forgetting. Why is that, anon?

so should I choose mass murdering inhumane "real" psychos over the canvas people? Because that's essentially what you're doing. Lune alone is worth a billion Dessendre shits.

Pretty much zero if you listen to Clea's thoughts in the tower area. Clea cares so little about Alicia that it actually works in Alicia's favour, Clea doesn't mind her sister spending the rest of her life in a canvas.

the soul of Verso

ah yes, the absolutely trustworthy child narrator. I'm sure the 5 yearold has a perfectly rational interpretation of what the canvas world actually is. Retard

literally wishes she died instead of Verso

paints her as a disfigured freak even in the painting

Kek, sure buddy, she loves her, just like your mother "loves" your retarded ass

verso fags: the kids soul will paint for ETERNITY!

also verso fags: lol the painting will be erased as soon as maelle dies

I was having a sappy dream, too.

They will never understand.

comes back to help her during her fight against renoir

No see the point isn't identical and I cannot process subtext!

Thanks for admitting you're a retard so blatantly, saves me the trouble of exposing you. Also nice to see you cherrypicked and ignored everything else, further exposing yourself as a complete joke of a person. What a fucking loser.

dude just genocide all your friends

Friends that aren't real and were painted by your mother and have memories of the people she knew when they were alive.

you're forgetting she literally spent effectively half her life growing up with them, seeing their suffering, connecting with them, etc
also i'm surprised they never addressed the whole playing god thing, like renoir and aline have painted so many worlds that could also have entire civilizations of their own to the point where deleting a whole world of people and causing them decades of suffering is just something they can do casually

forcing painter Verso to paint against his will

Verso made him. He's just a system that keeps the canvas alive. It's cpu. There would be a piece of Aline in every canvas she has made.

Verso niggers literally think an obvious metaphor is a living person.

he literally got them killed but alright

The thing with (painted)Verso is that he doesn't consider his "real" family real. Just like how he doesn't consider himself real either.
Verso does love his family, genuinely. But his love for his real family will always supersede that. Even if that real family isn't literally his since he too is in his own words, make-believe.

And the fact that his death and his beloved canvas that he painted is tearing his family apart something fierce and slowly destroying them all, is surely wrecking havoc on Verso.

I would trust the child's soul over the pathological liar who has only ever uttered one singular line of truth in the whole game

I don't want this life

That's all it comes down to.

still projecting about some other anon

literally thought the boss was called seline (??????)

Lmao, next time play the game instead of watching a twitch stream, fag

Torturing 1 child is worse than killing every child in the canvas

okay

To add to this, the reason the Verso soul fragment is miserable is because he's haunted by all the fucked up shit that Renoir and Clea put into the canvas.

Cuz she wants to save the canvas, moron. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Both are true, yes.
Alicia will enslave him until she dies, then he's dead.

Aline is clearly listed as at fault for fucking with the painting and adding people to it. Clea goes out of her way to say it's something she would never do, and that it's something anyone in their guild would never do.
From the mansion we see when we play as real Alicia, it's obvious they don't take canvas destruction lightly. All their previous works are still intact. They don't see it as trivial at all. They put a heavy amount of emotional weight onto each one.
Renoir ultimately decides the canvas has to go because he's weighing up the lives of his family and untold hundreds of canvases more of people, versus this one canvas and he also admits fully that it was a fucking mistake for anyone to ever be created by Aline.

who has only ever uttered one singular line of truth in the whole game

which would be the make-believe world line.

It's not his family.

So she never says “I’m never leaving the painting, ever!” Ok thanks. Guess you didn’t want to post “as soon as I leave papa will erase the canvas” because you knew that isn’t the same.

The same child's soul that wanted to stop painting? So you want to torture that soul for years on end then, that's your goal?

Piano-cuck didn't play the side content

but your urges are you, so you basically just want to be someone else
plus if you didn't hurt anyone else in this canvas hypothetical it wouldn't even really be morally wrong, frowned upon sure but idk no one else gets to decide your life but you

an obvious metaphor

can actually talk, think and tell you he wants to stop

no, it doesn't count

What makes the endings so kino is the fact that the painted world IS alive, and has sentient creatures that would prefer to stay that way. It adds an immense weight to Maelle's delusion and grief, and even a bigger one to Verso's decision to erase it so he can finally pull his sister out of her delusion to heal her wounds.

This is why this game is a tragedy, you cannot walk away without sacrifices and broken lives. You can either let Maelle live out in her fantasies after she realises they're just that, or have Verso put an end to her game of godhood while killing people who shed their blood just to survive.

Painted people lives are worth less and this is something you have to admit before we can discuss the ethics of this game.

Is Alicia effectively 32 years old?

Versofags would torch Omelas to save that one kid not realizing that in a non utopian world tons of kids would suffer.

The only reason soul Verso kid is unhappy is because Clea added all the Nevrons to his world. Horrible monsters in his little child like playground

Why even bother that it isn't you responding anon? It's ok that you didn't play the game.

Akechi lives
Marche stays
Verso plays the piano

simple as

My headcanon!

Lol. No. Verso was not a painter anon. The story makes that very, very clear. There is a very obvious artistic difference between painters and musicians, Verso being made to keep painting is impossible to justify. You're pathetic for even trying. A cope so desperate is just fucking disgusting.

and he also admits fully that it was a fucking mistake for anyone to ever be created by Aline.

these retards would then go on to paint over a hundred canvas of god knows what
they need to be put down

inb4 wrigger

them too

Now explain how Aline isn't his mother.
Come on, should be easy.

Aline is clearly listed as at fault for fucking with the painting and adding people to it. Clea goes out of her way to say it's something she would never do

oh shit is that from one of the areas that opens up after you get flying?

Finally someone gets it.

I wouldn't say so. Experiencing life from 0 - 16 twice while having no prior knowledge in either life wouldn't make you more mentally mature. It'd just make you a 16 year old with two memories of growing up to be 16.

Play the side content, Piano-cuck.

goalpost moving

that's not the argument, the argument is if the painting people are sentient, which they are. Just admit you're wrong instead of switching the subject like the third world subhuman you are.

The more I read these threads the clearer it becomes that versofags are in fact retarded, going hard into headcanon and hyperbole like Aline “hating” Alicia, not to mention a ton of other misinterpretations just to justify killing everyone.

Ah, vagueposting when you get BTFO, what a Anon Babbletard classic! Are you going to spend the rest of the thread regurgitating stale memes now? Go ahead and ask me if I'm mad next

play the piano mon amis

she's experienced 32 years of life yeah (making her prime expedition 33 age kino) but it's not irl time so not really

like Aline “hating” Alicia

That's aliciafags to justify her shit ending of cope?

jesus you really didn't play the game, huh

It's from Clea's dialogue when you get the prologue from Alicia's perspective. She basically disses her mother's actions as something that in her right mind, Aline never would have done.
You do get a lot of perspective on Clea from the Tower though.

No one needs to ask.

Verso niggers be like "muh family" when he's a fake and it is Maelle's family

Your suicidal faggot abandoned his own family to the point his sister was disgusted with him and wanted to die

Life for the 33 members would be hollow as fuck with Maelle in control of the canvas - knowing that life and death is completely meaningless, knowing that your entire existence is cooked up by a petty family who are facing a persistent existential threat from the writers that they can't do anything about.
There is nothing to aspire to, everything is meaningless and you're at the whim of a selfish teenager. Plus its repeatedly implied that Alicia isn't as talented at painting, so there's no guarantees she could actually fix the fracture.
Literally living a lie for nothing.

The argument

There is no argument there. They are. They are also dead by the end of act 2 and cannot be brought back, only remade into new versions of themselves.

Anon so lost he doesn't even know what the argument is about, claimed something heinous to support his "maelle ending good" headcanon and is now sperging because he got called out.

Clea is not one to talk given the shit she does and her lack of empathy for the painting people
bitch should get her fingers broken, her canvas are probably hellscapes

eternity = finite existence

Classic versofag retardation

tfw no ending that has the whole family killed except for Clea who is locked in a pillory for free use by the Lumièran

Maellefags trying once again to gaslight people

Embarrassing

Don't worry, most people know this. People who spam "they are not real it's just sims NPCs" are mostly just Verso pickers trying to bait Maelle pickers, or genuine retards who didn't play the game. Neither are worth engaging with.

Nice projection

Again, explain how Aline isn't his mother.

She has 32 years of memories but 0 years of adult memories.

Gotcha, gotcha, what do your notes tell you to say next anon? Any more Anon Babble classic sperg-outs you got up your sleeve? I'm already feeling nostalgic. Maybe tell me you were just "pretending" to be retarded, that's a classic!

Verso was not a painter anon.

dumbest post of all time award

Yes, torture is worse than death.

Your suicidal faggot abandoned his own family

I don't understand the difference between the painters and the painted people

hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?

Destroying a wonderful world full of living, breathing people? Killing my loving family, Gustave and Sophie? Erasing Lune and Sciel?

Mmm...

...

No.

Pianotroons would rather see an entire world die than admit that their depressed gay dmc dante parody is in the wrong. Sad!

They are also dead by the end of act 2 and cannot be brought back

Lune and Sciel quite literally were brought back exactly as before. All you need is some chroma

He didn't come out of her vagina

My and your lifestyle are funded by Congolese children digging mines with their hands RIGHT NOW

I didn't play the game

Good to know, off you fuck then! It's a rather key point made about Verso and repeatedly at that. It's impossible to miss, so you not knowing it just exposes you.

Of all the fucking things to try to tie to GL, you try to make it about Verso?
GL would be something like Gustave/Lune/Sciel GIGA LUMINA BREAKER in the Painter's face and telling them to gfto out of his canvas, their lives are their own.

Imagine the world's a puberty ridden painter would create

Their lives were destroyed and their futures were stolen at the whims of squabbling painter gods, it's not unfair if their lives are artificially repaired and their future given back to them by a benevolent painter god.

laughs at your delusional escapism

to the point his sister was disgusted with him and wanted to die

It's hilarious how she just completely disregards him twice in that scene.
youtu.be/LItGIL9XfzE?t=69

She created him, gave him all the original verso's memories she could and spent a lot of time living together.
How is she not his mother and the only one he's ever known?

I get to kill everyone in the world as well as force Maelle to be a cripple

Why is this based ending considered bad by you faggots

That'd just be Indian twitter.

bros... Simon last stand... how do I beat him with a party of underleveled monoco and LUNE

They already died though? Why do you lot keep forgetting that part? Oooooh right, you're coping! Got it!

I'd tell that Russkie shit that I would gladly do so because all of society is built on the bones and deaths of the innocent (literally if you're a Christian like Dostoyevsky was)

He's a DMC fag and designed Verso with Vergil's mechanic. What did you expect?

oh damn okay ty

Versofags would erase that too

noooooo you can't spend your free time having sex with painted people. Escapism

Fucking karens

and he also admits fully that it was a fucking mistake for anyone to ever be created by Aline.

It would be kino lore if it were confirmed that she was breaking a serious taboo by creating sentient life.

Parry bro.
Don't be a bitch and 1 shot him

That's your free time and doesn't kill you, so nobody cares.

He didn't come out of her vagina.

It's pretty simple. I undetstand a tranny like you rejects this logic.

If Aline is his mother than every other being in Lumiere are his siblings. Which he misled and killed.
He loves Aline not cause she's the creator goddess, but because of his retarded "she's maman" memories.

More versofag headcanon

it already is you stupid bastard

noooooo you can't spend your free time having sex with painted people. Escapism

This you?

Not Maelle any more. That's Alicia and she broke the NAP by overwriting Maelle and wearing her life like a skinsuit.

Just kill him before he uses it? By that point you should easily knock off about half his health with some big skills. Personally used Lune with Fire Rage that blew away 50% of his health in one go.

Not that anon. But the thing with Verso was that he WAS a painter. Always was. It just wasn't his passion.
He painted the canvas. His family may have added parts to it, but it is Verso's canvas. And it's quite literally soul, painting, that keeps it together.

Aline is clearly listed as at fault for fucking with the painting and adding people to it. Clea goes out of her way to say it's something she would never do, and that it's something anyone in their guild would never do.

You people are just inventing lore here.
Nowhere does she say this.

Best solution is to outright kill him before he gets to that phase. So most likely you are looking at two-shotting the fucker with no other attacks played.
Sciel 2x damage buff + Virtuouse stance + Gommage and a ton of damage pictos does the trick.

Bonjour? Painters Guild? Yeah, I'm looking for Miss Clea, I have a commission to order from her.

Self-portrait, naked, fully interactable. Hand drawn by her, no interns.

Yes, paid in full before delivery.

She's his creator, not his mother.

She's his mother because he was both created by her and given all his memories of being raised by her.
Just like painted Alicia is his sister.
The issue is that he knows aline is killing herself and her real family.

sucking dick

No, I'm not a Versofag

I mean the painted people are basically fucked regardless aren't they? Renoir is putting his trust in his Daughter. As soon as he realizes she's just as obsessed with Verso's canvas as his wife, he's diving in to stop her. I'd assume Clea will too, assuming she hasn't just fucked off and given up on the family at that point.

Clea doesn't care

Renoir only cares that he cloned his son

Aline clearly doesn't care

These Painters are fucking shit. They need to lose Alicia too otherwise they won't learn a fucking thing. Verso wasn't enough.

He made a painting, he wasn't a painter. If you don't understand that distinction you sleepwalked though the story. Verso was a musician. Very clearly and blatantly so.

Once again, Maelletards got BTFO'D

Take the L

Take the L

frfr on god

realizes

He knows already.
He's just given up until she's almost dead.

Alicia this isn't the real world you're still in a painting, one last Expedition

My headcanon for Gustave beckoning.

plus the writers could show up at any point and finish what they started

N-no you

I won

muh escapism

Theres literally no difference between Maelle living out her life and dying in her magic world or her real world. Theyre both realities. Shes an adult, she can chose whatever she wants.

makes a poll in a versotroon thread

somehow surprised versotroons dominate the poll

Lol
Lmao

Bonjour? Painters Guild? I'm sending la cheque in the mail

Monoco and Esquie are sentient though.

Versofags don't know what a bell curve is.
Typical.

reads an epitaph "forever painted in our hearts"

sees everyone waving goodbye

You tell me.

I picked Verso because it's narratively more interesting

actually prefer Maelle because I hate Paintards and want them to suffer

1/3rd of Anon Babble are unsalvageable retards

about what I expected

Those fags are programmed to do what Verso wants.

Aline and Renoir, unironically, probably had to destroy porn/gooning canvases made by Clea, Verso, and Alicia.
You can't convince me that an ero-canvas wouldn't be too tempting for a hormonal Painter at the height of puberty. But it's also probably a rite of passage of sort to move past that point and leave your ero-canvases behind. Even if you have god-like powers, you can't just let it tempt you to goon forever.

she was breaking a serious taboo by creating sentient life.

you NEED to make your artificial life retarded on purpose

does Golgra count

I takes forever when I do so little damage... what is Lune dps rotation? been like 40 hours since the last time I used her at the end of Act 1

Missing the point of the ending

He walked away, anon. He gave up. Verso outright tells Maelle that Renoir knew she was lying from the start. It's over for her, there is no half-baked Maelle have-it-both-ways ending. She will die alone in a world of painted ghosts.

Versobros would save a real nigger over a "fake" Lune

deranged

Remember that she is canonically fucking insane, if she made a copy of her dead brother just to make her fantasy better she will absolutely use her God powers in the people of Lumiere if there's something she wants to change

Not exactly because Renoir knew Alicia was lying to him. He doesn't show it but he was basically accepting that was seeing his daughter for the last time, unwilling to keep trying to take away the one thing that made her happy. He obviously would like to hope she comes back, but there's no indication he would try to force her again. Clea also doesn't care about Alicia and says "do what you want". The real problem would be what Aline does afterwards, but the ending does not explore that.

Aline and Renoir would havr comissions to make goon canvases for the rich

I wonder where calligraphyfags stand in this world?

Wrong. It will be Clea and the story will follow her sewing misery and destruction wherever she goes. I love her so much

27 votes, 20 votes, 12 votes, 1 vote

Except they aren't. The painted Verso isn't Verso. They clearly have their own thoughts and ideals. Did you even do Monoco's story at all?

there's no difference between letting your child rot to death plugged into VR with realistic AI and them living out their life in the real world where they can actually make a genuine difference

Giving a child godlike powers and expecting them to follow the rules

Based. I want the Dessendre family crushed. I want them torn apart. I want them to never touch a canvas again and to live the rest of their lives in regret
writerbro btw

my fuarking hero

Alicia was a shut in NEET and odds are she'll be even worse now cuz she has double the trauma.

Bell curve fags at it again

"Nooooo half of us are actually geniuses unlike our brethren that are retarded"

No. That's why Nevrons are so whimsical and cute. They're barely sentient and wouldn't care if they got erased. Aline, on the other hand, painted real people.

Why do retards care about the shitty painter family over the characters you llay as? It's weird.

How based.

Because they can't think for themselves so they choose based on exposition and 90% of the exposition in the last 30 minutes of the game is pro Verso ending.

They don't. They care about Renoir. The rest of the family can fuck right off.

look Guillaume, this faggot chose the bad ending kek

He made a painting, he wasn't a painter.

Bro. As I said. Painting wasn't his passion. Music was. But he was still a capital P Painter. And he did paint.
And the real world surely has millions upon millions of passionate painters that aren't capital P Painters. No magical powers. Verso however has the magical Painter powers. And does paint magic worlds. And thus is a Painter. Even if his passion wasn't painting.

That'd be like saying I'm not an accountant just because I hate my job. Silly.

That's because versotroons have no empathy

you're condemned by default to never mature or change your life from how you live at the age of 15

They are definitely the villains of the story. No matter how you slice it the real Renoir caused untold suffering just for the sake of bringing only his wife back. There is no making that right no matter how desperately you'd try to spin "real people" as having more value than the painted ones. There's also really no clear path where wiping out Lumiere would somehow force Aline out of the painting, if anything his deleting of the Lumieres slowed down his own aims.

based as fuck

DO NOT REDEEM THE CHROMA BLOODY BENCHOD PAINTER BASTARD JAI LUMIER

don't worry writerbros we got a doozy of a sequel coming

Why are you still here Anon?

You don't play as verso?
Maelle Alicia?
Monoco and Esquie?
Just because you played as Gustave for like 5 hours doesn't mean you need to keep up with him.

Death of the Author lmao.

There is nothing to suggest Painting the way it is done by the Dessendre family is uniquely tied to them. Even if this WOULD be a unique magical talent, the fact remains that Verso's soul rejected the ART of painting, even if he was magically inclined toward it. He was, as a person, rather than as "a member of the dessendre family" a musician. The boy doesn't want to keep painting, this is one key truth that is thoroughly undeniable.

People I feel bad for in Verso ending

Alicia

Lune and Sciel

Monoco

Esquie

All gestrals

All grandis

People I feel bad for in Maelle's ending

Renoir (but like REALLY feel bad for him)

one of the hardest decisions a game has ever proposed for sure, but I hated paint Verso's lying traitor ass too much to play as him. Think of how different things would be if he just trusted people and didn't mislead or withhold information the entire time.

an aspiring young Painter gets rejected and humiliated by the snobby art world

rises up the ranks in the Writers Guild with his best seller Mein Kampf, calling for Total Painter Death

Verso is fake. Him and the other 3 painted copies are the only actually fake people in the story.

Clea enters the painting a few weeks after Maelle's ending

Alicia immediately confronts her and tells her to leave

Clea tells her to shut it and says if she wants to stay shell have to force her out

Alicia summons her rapier and decides to fight Clea alone

Clea summons a Zweihander

All of Lumiere(minus Verso) is cheering Alicia/Maelle on

The fight:

the unnamed Alicia Axon and Clea Axons

reacher and hauler

where wiping out Lumiere would somehow force Aline out of the painting

Did you miss the explanation the game gives you for that? Because holy shit you are acting retarded.

Someone hasn't done the post game content

when you have to paint degenerate furry-worlds for the furfag-illuminati because it pays the best

Why do commissions for furries pay so well?

Death of le auteur because... he doesn't agree with me!

Reddit behavior

DLC ending

Maelle never takes on her family's ability to paint

Turns out she's a talented sculptor instead

Sculpts Gustave, Sophie, Lune and Sciel

Allows them to live in the real world

Funny thing is that in their next game everyone will start theorizing that it's a painted world.

They are as real as every single gestral or person of lumiere.

but they are based on real people

so? Exact same origins.

maelle end is pro-escapism, verso end is pro whatever you call it when people force something on others and say its for their own good or because of their own internal justifications/beliefs like keeping people who wont get better on life support
pick your poison

Vagueposting because he ran out of things to say

I accept your concession.

"Alicia, why did you sculpt 16 Gustaves?"

Unironically the best possible ending