Her happiness and all of the thousands of very sentient residents of Lumiere are infinitely more important than her narcissistic family's feelings.
Her happiness and all of the thousands of very sentient residents of Lumiere are infinitely more important than her...
Alicia's part of that narcissistic family, and she might be the craziest of them all.
And I would sacrifice them both painted Alicia.
Her family all hates her and doesn't give a shit about the fact that she is an ugly, scarred, crippled, blind, miserable shell of a person in real life, they just want her to upkeep appearances so they can larp as the happy family.
Maelle's ending fucks over the Dessendres so it is the moral choice.
Living in the pod is a good thing ACKTUALLY
the thousands of very sentient residents of Lumiere
They were sentient but Alicia can't bring them back, her concert is full of copy pasted NPCs that don't even move, they only exist for her fantasy
What a fucking crazy bitch holy shit
actually genociding thousands of sentient beings all so this rich, psychopathic, narcisstic family can be """happy""" is le good ending
just let maelle live in the painting for the decades she has left and be happy, it's not even harming her family anyways, as they hate her guts.
And who gives a fuck about painted Verso's feelings when you kill thousands of painted people just for the sake of one lying, manipulative piece of shit's feelings? It's nonsensical
She and Gustave were genuine beacons of morals in this game, and both suffered for it. Don't trust anyone.
alicia needs to unpaint verso, repaint everyone else and get the fuck out of the painting and bury it with verso
asmon chose the verso ending
says lumiere aren't real
phew glad i picked the right ending
nobody gives a fuck about verso. he is a whiny, psychopathic, narcissistic psychopath who would destroy everything just to kill himself. he deserves eternal suffering
Those thousands of residents are dead, best you can do is revive them to play make-believe living with their spoiled coping goddess.
He's a fucking retard. The canvas people are sentient
listening to him crash out on Maellefags is pretty funny
his entire argument is "they aren't sentiment because... LE SIMS!!!!"
despite this being clearly magic with no real world equivalent
and the game going out of its on numerous occasions to make it obvious they are sentient and have feelings, emotions, goals, ambitions, families, personalities, feel pain, etc.
Yep, he's a midwit
they are sentient and the verso ending is still the correct choice
genociding 100,000+ sentient beings for the sake of one family is actually le correct and moral choice
retard
As a Versofag, the "sentience" argument has gotta be the weakest presented by either side and biggest low IQ flag. It's completely explicit in the game that they are sentient and as "real" as the painter family.
doesn't ever read
skips past dialogue
has no empathy
is a nihilist
yep sounds like versofags
Can't we just agree the story shift an twist was shit?
They were already dead. Alicia is no Aline, she brought back little more than shells
No, they aren't retard. Maelle absorbs their chroma and she is even stronger than Aline at this point, since she is totally uncontested in terms of chroma
The twist was good.
The shift was shit.
The shift was completely dependent on the twist though.
this.
t.someone in similar situation
She's unskilled. Having all the magic sauce doesn't mean she's any good at using it. I still think at least attempting to bring them back is the correct choice. The painters owe that much to the canvas world after utterly fucking it for a century
total maellebro victory
Their world isn't real. The whole Canvas's existence just prolongs their real life counterparts coming to terms with the fire. It was a really painful choice, but I ultimately had to side with Verso.
The real world equivalent is basically if a pantheon of gods like the norse or egyptian were a modern dysfunctional family that created all life on earth, then a couple of them decided that their mostly self caused problems on a plane above humanity's mattered more so everyone on earth deserves to suffer and die for it.
I dont get why people find this so hard to conceptualise
muh VR
muh drugs
Never have nor will play the game, but if this verso shit wants to throw a tantrum cause they can't have THEIR way at the expense of everyone else. Mold them into a limbless meat stump without any eyes, ears, nose, or mouth. They can have their world of emptiness devoid of anything and the rest of these canvas people can enjoy their charade.
There is a terrifying amount of people who just cannot engage with such thoughts or debate. Worse, there are some who willfully choose ignorance.
it's real to them, that's why the painters no to fuck off out of the canvas and leave them alone but also not destroy it
schizo mom needs her meds
everyone on earth deserves to suffer and die for it.
What? Did I miss a major cutscene where Verso maniacally laughs about how much he wants the foolish painting entities to suffer? They will just cease to exist. They *ARE* suffering right now in their current state.
I mean if you are depressed and suicidal irl like I assume Maelle is then there is pretty much no downside to just living in the painting even if it slowly kills you as it doesn't matter as you would likely just kill yourself irl anyways due to the suffering and depression and whatnot.
"sentient being" autist needs to take a break from spamming these threads
You played the game unlike Vercucks. Versotards skipped 9/10 of the story and only played the final Act, if even that.
they're suffering because aline and renoir are being cunts and fractured their world, and because clea was being a cunt and created monsters to kill them all to get her schizo mom out
The Verso ending ends up with the implied suicide of Alicia so you picked wrong for genociding people lmao. They die in both ends but yours is her suffering while Maelle ending is her happy.
True. And the only way to fix that is to take one being and basically put it in a state of perpetual torture for infinity. Tbh I think it's best to just tear the whole simulation down and force the Dessendres to deal with their grief.
implied suicide
I must've missed this but I'm basically 100% certain you are reaching here. The Maelle ending necessitates keeping Verso in a state of perpetual limbo, so I guess congrats for torturing a being for infinity to make a little girl smile in a simulation (that she could've made in a separate canvas not tied to her brother's soul LMAO).
your ending
weird how autistic and personal you kids get sometimes lol. I did both endings
great, the all caps lol lmao autist is here
Retards, do you realize that this painting in not they only one existing? They can paint as many of them as they want, they also can write anything. It's not real.
Genuine schizo shit. I beat the game this morning and this is the first time i ever participated in a thread. You are crazy for spending so much time arguing with people that you come up with characters like this, like genuine mental illness dude.
Every Painting has a fragment of the soul to generate it and keep it alive.
Damn interesting, when was this said? Because I remember Renoir saying something about having made hundreds of canvases before. Would imply some serious dark shit if every canvas requires a soul. Might speak more to whatever this "war" going on in the real world is all about.
I must've missed this
You did. Now rewatch the final shot of the ending. Watch what Gustave is doing and you realize they aren't waving goodbye. Also rewind a few seconds before the final shot and see how the Painter family one by one disappear too busy with their own shit leaving Alicia alone on the final shot.
Verso in a state of perpetual limbo
If someone genocided us once and we were brought back to life, would you like him to lead a happy life? I wouldn't. Fuck Verso. And fuck Renoir as well, he was the real Paintress killing us for generations, why the fuck should I give a shit about his feelings?
didn't this faggot kill his mom because he couldn't stop her from smoking while she was on oxygen and it blew up in her face.
He definitely enabled her, but ultimately it was his mother's choice to smoke
to make a little girl smile in a simulation (that she could've made in a separate canvas not tied to her brother's soul LMAO).
You didn't play the game to understand why Maelle is different from the rest of her family. What a brainlet.
We have to infer it. Verso only Painted the one canvas when he was a child and that is the essence of him at the end, still Painting. Its why Aline and Alicia have a stronger attachment to the canvas, because it literally is the last piece of Verso left in their world. Now with that said, we have to assume that a tiny piece of each Painter is left behind to keep the work alive. If not then Verso created a one in a kind Painting and no one mentions him doing so.
Her father obviously doesnt hate her
realizing they aren't waving goodbye
Where are you getting this? I mean, I just plain don't see that interperation. The final shot of the ending is pretty definitively Alicia symbolically saying goodbye to the fictional characters she spent so much time with in the painting. Willing to be wrong here, but I need you to explain it. Why do you think they "aren't waving goodbye"?
see how the Painter family one by one disappear
Huh? The shot shows all four of them, zooms in on Aline and Renoir, then cuts to Alicia and the final shot. Idk anon i put effort in here but I have no idea what you're talking about.
If someone genocided us once and we were brought back to life, would you like him to lead a happy life?
What a bizarre question. No, anon, I simply have *no* way of conceiving how I would feel about this situation. Perhaps living as a painted being is just fine, but perhaps I'd rather not be alive if I knew my reality was just a painting designed for a god to avoid dealing with her grief? I have no idea. I can see you are extremely emotionally involved here. I recommend drinking some nice cool water and taking a walk before you make yourself look like a retarded faggot any further.
great contribution
Personally, I think the Canvas has a piece of Verso in it because he died while painting it. That's just my theory though. I don't think there's any other implication that a soul is required to make a canvas.
one clarification - you do actually see Clea walk away from the rest of the family... which is exactly what that character did at every stage of the story. You do not see them "one by one disappear too busy with their own shit" and that's a huge mischaracterization
She isnt even fully smiling in her ending, its a half smile then the painted eyes, shes not happy
Versotards, a simple challenge: Define the difference between "real" sentience and "fake" sentience.
This is philosophy 101 really
Renoir has good intentions but in the end is a control freak that doesn't care to listen about anything or anyone else, Renoir lost his ticket to a happy end at the beginning of Act III when he made his intentions of destroying the Canvas clear.
He reminds me of Zanza from XC1, who was fighting for his sentience and own life that the humans put at risk by existing, but ultimately he was the bad guy. The only difference in them is that Zanza is made out the cookie cutter villain with the malevolent laughter while Renoir is depicted as a tired old man/father.
video game has ending where player must choose between true painful reality or false idealized fantasy
people on video game forum passionately and angrily defend the latter
absolute fucking ludo. brilliant stuff. most of them dont even realize how bad they got got. simply poetic.
Maellesimps, consider this bucket filled with the corpses of sentient beings.
I would genuinely, truly, unironically be willing to shoot myself on livestream if I'm wrong here: the writers of the game itself would strongly disagree with you that Renoir is a "villain". Because of the opposing deutoragonists he can barely be considered an antagonist.
How can you live in a fake reality when you know it's all fake and you created all those people? even the people who didn't die from the gommage, like Pierre or Gustave. In the end, Maelle's smile was empty because she truly wasn't happy.
Once you paint something you must keep it forever.
Uh oh, look out for the WMD!
The ending is a perfect litmus test to determine whether you a zoomer or had a bad family versus those who have kids or had a decent relationship with their family.
If you think Verso is a sus sigma skibidi rizz, you're going Maelle. If your dad left to get a pack of Newports and left your mom Nevaeh to "raise" you, you're going Maelle. If you're and adult with kids or had a normal family life, you're choosing Verso.
Personally, I think the Canvas has a piece of Verso in it because he died while painting it.
Did you play the game? Verso is a child because he was a child when he Painted it. Verso then never Painted another canvas, instead focusing on music and died in his mid 20s to save Alicia. The only implication and insight into how Paintings work is that a piece of the creator is left behind to keep it alive.
Thanks for the insightful contribution to the thread anon.
the source of the sentience seems to be verso's soul that powers and creates it. it is the engine that creates new life when they are born as lumiereans. therefore, the sentient one is ultimately the sliver of verso that still exists. the fate of his world lies with him and him alone, if he really does want to stop drawing, then its his decision to make.
Did you play the game?
Why be so condescending? Clearly I did, and this subject is basically never touched on. How do you even know this? When is it confirmed? Guessing you can't show me this because otherwise you would just do that.
The only implication and insight into how Paintings work is that a piece of the creator is left behind to keep it alive.
Except that is not even really implied. The only time a soul is mentioned at all is Verso's soul being in the Canvas the game takes place in. Anything beyond that is definitely a subjective interpretation.
once you create a life you must keep it forever
UH OH!
Troons will pick Maelle for obvious reasons.
muh writers
Play the game faggot. Look at what Maelle at first thought of her father. She went to Renoir telling Verso that the Painter Renoir wasn't as bad as Painted Renoir, only for Renoir to ruin that image of himself in mere seconds. He proved to be as evil as the Painted version, willing to fuck everything just so he can keep his family. Maelle's retort to Verso's shit isn't I WANNA STAY BECAUSE I'M A CRIPPLE, it's IF I LEAVE MY DAD WILL DESTROY THE CANVAS. Renoir had the good end in his hands, he blew it.
the notion that autists who escape into fantasy worlds to avoid how pathetic and broken they are IRL empathizing with Maelle is truly ludo and i dont know how to get that through to you
Man, anon. I don't know how to break it to you, but you might have a slight learning disability.
Maellefags pretending that 'muh real people' is even relevant to the ending.
Alicia was a dumb shut in neet that didn't give a shit about the painting or its inhabitants. She blew off Clea and Verso having fun there dozens of times, literally being so much of a cunt that she refused to hang out with Esquie.
Maelle didn't like the painted people either. She hated Lumiere and its people, never felt like she fit in, and deliberately went on a suicide mission because she couldn't stand living 5 more years there without Gustav, one of the few people she actually liked
This didn't change midgame. When Gustav died she stopped giving a shit about actually saving Lumiere, only wanting to mourn Gustav and kill Renoir.
She only pretends to give a shit about Lumiere at the end because its become her new neetbox since reading in her room doesn't do it for her. She repaints all the Lumerians to love her, because she never liked them, and lives in her fantasy heroin box until she dies.
the notion that autists who escape into fantasy worlds to avoid how pathetic and broken they are IRL empathizing with Maelle is truly ludo and i dont know how to get that through to you
Reminder that you're posting in the same thread, on the same board, on the same website, at the same time as us :^)
versotards really be like
uhhh fuck yeah I'd rather drink this cup of REAL cat piss than that cup of FAKE lemonade sweetened with sucralose (FAKE sugar!)
>muh writers
Clea hands typed this
ALICIA YOU'RE SHITTING YOURSELF, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CANVAS NOW
and verso, being the memory of the verso who sacrificed himself to save his little sister, proves that given the chance no matter the circumstance, he will do it again.
sounds like a problem for Renoir to clean up while I enjoy this beautiful piano sonata :^))))
CLEAN IT UP JANNY
Alicatroons saw this and agreed with it
Yea but on the outside she can paint infinite versions of her self painting infinite versions of rabbit heroine factories.
Plus the whole writers killing kids stuff.
These threads were kinda fun at first, but now they're worse than the Maruki threads, just endless autism and headcanon.
The game itself is "not real", so I don't care which ending is "correct" (spoiler alert: neither), but Maelle's ending is far more interesting than the graveyard scene.
Kek and based
"Realization that every other person around you is living their own rich and detailed lives with their own challenges and successes" is considered a sense and is a major step in brain development. Versofags haven't yet reached this state and should be banned for being underage.
The game itself is "not real", so I don't care which ending is "correct"
By saying this you've inadvertently just picked Verso's side. So you do have a stance on the debate.
Everyone in the family sucks (except maybe the real Verso, but he dead). Fuck em all, i want them all to suffer and i want the Canvas to last as long as possible. The "Maelle" (It's not Maelle she died in the mega gommage) at least keeps everyone alive whilst fucking over the family.
no argument
Yeah I'm sure namecalling won you the argument here champ.
Nyaht yhet
I appreciate that feedback anon.
NOOOOOO DAD NOOOO
YOU CANT DESTROY THE PAINTING, THEYRE REAL PEOPLE IN THERE
THEY'RE REAL PEOPLE, CATGIRLS WITH THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS AND DREAMS
THEY HAVE SOULS AND ARE JUST AS REAL AS ANY OF US
YOURE LITERALLY ABORTING THOUSANDS OF YOUR GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT GREAT GRANDCHILDREN
YOURE A GENOCIDER WORSE THAN VERSO A GENOCIDER A GENOCIDER
FILTHY LYING VERSO TRASH GENOCIDER
tbf it's a bit different since there isn't an evil force trying to exterminate you in this case like there was in the matrix.
But, infinite heroin bunny factories... Check and mate!
Trvth nvke
I think deep down, all of you know the canvas is not a real world, and are actually a bit upset the setting didn't matter.
and all of the thousands of very sentient residents of Lumiere
Those are all copies though, they're not the same ones except maybe Lune and Sciel. No different than just making a new painting.
So that means you sided with Verso, because Alicia is not happy at all in her ending. She only genuinely smiles in Verso's ending.
Nah, Verso is a scumbag too. Renoir's whole painting of him portrays him as a compulsive liar, which is based on the real Verso, and the painted Verso we encounter is also a compulsive liar.
You might be the most high IQ poster I've ever met in 2 decades of this awful site. Just absolute kek and pottery.
omega versomelty...
I love how you're ignoring Maelle literally seconds later saying she doesn't want to return to the real world because she thinks her life is over.
verso, being the memory of the verso who sacrificed himself to save his little sister
verso is his moms imagination of the perfect ideal of what verso would be if he wasnt dead. he doesnt love her because he loves her, he loves her because it is the essence of his creation to be unable to do anything other than love her.
Fair point, i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I can definitely see the painted verso being pretty different to the orignal after 100 years of being alive.
in the end is a control freak that doesn't care to listen about anything or anyone else
He knew that Alicia lied to him and still decided to give her a chance though, what are you on about? He's the only rational person left at that point, and is choosing the lives of his wife and daughter and tortured soul of his son over the remainder of lumiere
Even if I fought against him I could respect him
as they hate her guts.
This won't be true no matter how many times Maellefags spread the lie.
Aline does
Good job destroying the image your daughter had of yourself in mere seconds, faggot.
Lets put it from this perspective:
The Painters are gods and this Canvas or any others contain their creations. In any other story where a bunch of people are trying to maintain their free will we would be cheering on the creations. Why is this any different?
You fuckers are STILL arguing
He can't do much after battling for so long
all renoir had to do was "ok im going to step out now that we finally got our mother out of here. she needs medical attention and bedrest, and we also need to make sure she wont just walk right back in here. take this time to say goodbye to your friends. if you could, id like for you to clean up our mess a bit. your mother and i made a real wreck of things. it should be a day or so to settle things outside but ill be back here as soon as i can to pick you up, so in painted years, thats about 5? verso my boy, my offer is still on the table but please take this time with alicia to decide if its truly worth it. i lost verso once before, and i do not want it to happen again. once your mother is rested, we will discuss as a family whats best to do with the painting. ok bye, ill sent clea in before me to help you out since she made most of this canvas."
No she doesn't. Read her journal.
Its darkly comedic that it took 67 years for these dipshits to talk it out and by that point too much damage has been done.
Verso, stop lying to me. You want to be a painter.
no dad, i love the piano
lying. again.
Good job destroying the image your daughter had of yourself in mere seconds, faggot
I'm afraid, it's been.....67 years.....
Verso kills the one person who invented a device that granted the painted people the first shred of true autonomy they've ever had
Lune is right. He only thinks in a false dichotomy of white and black, a chiaroscuro if you will.
verso's soul's face when
The Verso ending ends up with the implied suicide of Alicia
Maellefags continue to make up more lies to fit their delusions.
He knew that Alicia lied to him and still decided to give her a chance though, what are you on about
He didn't have a choice since he got hos ass kicked and thrown out of the Canvas by force. The fuck was he gonna do, destroy the Canvas while Alicia is inside? LOL. See Alicia went expecting to be able to resolve this issue without any struggle and in peace. Renoir chose war with his own daughter rather than having a conversation.
It's not, versozoomies just haven't been able to turn that around in their heads yet. Give them a few more years.
It's from the perspective of a daughter who thought she could get away with everything because she's his favorite.
1. Authenticity
2. Opportunity cost and utilitarianism
yet another thread where maellefags embarrass themselves
they're French it was a hopeless endeavour. If it was an Anglo family they would've said "fuck it, not worth the hassle" like 2 years in
he did
you're a retard
he leaves disappointed that his daughter lied to his face
Maelle/Alicia literally picks escapism every chance she gets and will never change
NOOO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE IGNORE GUSTAVE HE'S WAVING GOODBYE I SWEAR REEEEEE
lol
reminder that maelle is a writer not a painter
No dad, you don't get it, these are the good kind of drugs
Maelle/Alicia literally picks escapism every chance she gets and will never change
that's because Verso let the only person who could talk her out of it die. Excellent own goal piano boy
Imagine not being a WASP.
Continue to live in your delusion. I wonder what lies you'll make up next?
yet another thread where versotards embarrass themselves
Reminder that maeleefags will never be able to comprehend the verso ending because they think that verso, the painted adult, is a rational being with a real mind making rational decisions and not an unthinking automaton acting out the behaviors that are ingrained into it. the verso ending is a machine performing its function.
That only applies to Maelle. Alicia doesn't really care that much about Gustave. Verso is far more important to her.
Gustav didn't talk Alcia out of holing up in her room all the time
Gustav didn't talk Maelle into embracing Lumiere and enjoying herself before the expedition
Gustav didn't talk Maelle into leaving Lumiere the first chance she got
but yeah, he would have succeeded the next time. yeah!
he did
Nah he didn't. He closed the door for a peaceful resolution at the start of Act III. You don't kill someone's family and then pretend you can reach peace with the person after the fact and when they have you staring at the end of the barrel already. But you are too much of a retard to grasp that. Renoir chose a war that he lost, there's no reason to talk through anything with him.
No wonder so many people on this site side with Maelle. They're depressed and lonely teens.
WIREHEADING IS.... LE GOOD
If they clean up the world, bring everyone back via their chroma and delete the nevrons, Verso will be much happier. He loves the world, its inhabitants and even the ones added in by others after him. It was only when the family stepped in and dragged all of their baggage into the Painting that it got bad for him. He is a snapshot of the Verso who created that world so if a fun and whimsical land is suddenly turned into warzones full of suffering, schemes, betrayal and death, any child would be upset and want to stop.
the 60+ years Painted Verso has on regular Verso where he develops as a person means nothing
and much like verso, you are currently performing your coded function of being functionally retarded. bravo, way to demonstrate your point in real-time for the us all to see.
unthinking automaton acting out the behaviors that are ingrained into it
but aline painted him as a replacement, but he went against her painted family
he's doing the opposite of what he was supposed to do
that proves he has his own autonomy and sentience
>Gustav didn't talk Maelle into embracing Lumiere and enjoying herself before the expedition
why the fuck would Gustave talk Maelle into something he doesn't agree with himself
Greetings Father, I'm glad you could visit us today.
Let me introduce you to my wives: Pearl, Korra and Asami
Thats Lord Dominator over there with our twins
Have you met your grandchildren yet?
They're not fakes, they're your real grandchildren
THEY HAVE SOULS AND FEELINGS FATHER
PAINTED PEOPLE ARE STILL PEOPLE FATHER
I see you're still ignorant. You may leave now.
I'm sorry wives, he still doesn't understand
lets have an orgy to get over it
Continue to live in your delusion
I'm not the one who chose the genocide and suicide ending and pretend it's the good one though LOL.
Sent that freak flying
It's not like he had the option though, he was stuck in the monolith while his wife had a melty
Did you forget that the curator is him, and that's why he's been guiding and helping her the whole time? The only reason you can upgrade your weapons or assign lumina points to do your bullshit damage builds is because of him now APOLOGIZE
Get to choose if Verso tells the truth or lies about him letting Gustave die
Choosing the in-character obviously canon lie choice locks you out of getting Maelle's third charge skill
Even though she can already use Grommage anyways
What did the devs mean by this?
he's doing the opposite of what he was supposed to do
she wanted a verso that could love his family and also not die to save alicia. what she ended up with was a verso who loves his family and dies to save alicia.
You don't kill someone's family
Family she deliberately ran away from because she felt she didn't belong.
Literally chose death instead of living with them.
She didn't give a shit about the people in Lumiere. Stop pretending she did.
Versofags when Zeus decides to destroy Earth because Hera and Athena pissed him off too many times and we don't really count as real people to him anyway
omega versomelty...
If it was symbolic of her suicide then she would have faded away with them. Its clearly her saying goodbye. Gustave beckons because she will probably repaint him in another canvas
anon hates his father and its projecting his hate on a video game characters, you can just ignore people like that.
maelle used the excuse that he was giving an ultimatum as a reason to stay as hostage so he doesnt burn the painting. if renoir has simply gone with the above post instead of scorched ground strategy, he could have saved both. reminder that clea knew how long alicia was in for and she's the most reasonable of the family. she knows how long a kid can stay in the roblox world cause she did it herself. dad is just overreacting. after all, renoir spent 4 times as long in the painting and is still strong.
WELL THATS DIFFERENT BECAUSE...UHMMM IT JUST IS MM'KAY
She clearly did, autismo. Her actual family is dreadful with the exception of Renoir and her Lumiere family was leagues better. This isn't up for debate.
epilogue alicia
wtf im like 50hours in. when is this done
Don't forget Zeus being defeated yet Hercules making the choice for everyone that we need to be killed regardless for the sake of Athena and Hera.
but aline painted him as a replacement,
he's doing the opposite of what he was supposed to do
How fo you know a replacement would not act this way, especially if he is an accurate replacement?
I guesse that would lead to compatabilism which is good enough for free will to me do good piont.
Gustav tries to talk her into staying, midwit
He's in his last year and thinks its his duty to go
She still has five years left and it isn't her duty
One more story dungeon left
He did it again with the letter as well, He screwed over the only two people that could've accomplished a compromise. He screwed over the two closest and purest people closest to Himself and Maelle. His sister and her Father/brother, it's amazing how he has so many people who side with his deceitful ass.
Never understood why her hair goes white/grey after Maelle dies. Real Alicia is a redhead just like Maelle.
Of course she does when you project your delusions on her and ignore whats actually happening in the game.
Define the difference between "real" sentience and "fake" sentience.
The source of the sentient beings. The fact that we cannot without 100% certainty prove whether we were created by a higher power or not is what gives plausibility to whether we are truly sentient beings and not just programmed to act the way we do.
Maelle and the people in the portrait are no different from the people pic related sees within the black mercy. They present to Clark that they have fears, dreams, thoughts, and emotions but they are not real.
The game gives the player zero reason to care for the woes of some rich assholes who larp gods in their free time.
Just play God of War already
she painted him as the son she loved. turns out the son she loved would do anything in his power to save his mother and sister at the cost of his own life, just has he did in the fire. aline's not the best painter for nothing.
I love how Versofags always end up namecalliong and crying. Never seen a single Maellefag reach a dead end on their arguments yet it happens all the time for Versofags.
Aline painted the humans and Lumiere. Verso only painted the Gestrals, Grandis, and Esquie. One of the faded boys mentions enjoying adding humans to his painting implying they werent' there from the start
Before 33 knew the whole story everyone saw Aline as the "evil force trying to exterminate you". After learning the truth it's revealed that it's Renoir. That's double the exterminating force as opposed to the Matrix' singular machine faction.
This almost happens to the Achians in the Illiad lol
The Maelle ending just seems like a waste of time. Either Maelle dies and Renoir destroys the canvas afterwards, or Renoir and/or Clea come back into the canvas to get her out. Either way, the canvas is getting destroyed.
A woman's job is to have babies. Does her ending provide that? No? Bad ending then.
Simple as.
FFTA discussion again
It never fucking ends does it.
Why the fuck was she so mean to her crispy bacon sister
She simply wanted it to be white i guess? Great gommaged out, instantly regained her memories and went back in, she had to have painted herself or she would look like more similar to the curator
Or Renoir staggers off to attend to Aline, then Clea counts to 30 and sets the painting on fire
Thats plenty of time to come out if you were going to come out
Now this one has an actual reason and not some schizo MUH DEMON SOUL SUCKING fake shit
Gustave figures out the truth and convinces Alicia to regulate herself
that fuck Verso still has to play piano forever though
he's much warmer than the renoir you know
what kind of WEGslop gamethread did i stumble upon
no, painted renoir definitely was compromised in his mentality due to aline painting a renoir who would support her decisions, where her decisions at the current time were wild hysterics. he is programmed to be the guardian of the woman moment and it makes his motivations contridictory.
wants to protect aline to save his painted family
protecting aline is killing aline
aline dies, real renoir takes over
painted family dies
for those who come after
All alicia had to do was leave and come back anytime she wanted, but no...
FFTA is actually interesting unlike this because the endgame of the mewt ending is that the fake world actually consumes the real world, while the endgame of the maelle ending is just that the writers come back and kill the painters again because they are too busy gooning to vr.
they are merely the developers, whereas verso's soul is the game engine. ultimately its the verso's soul that enables any of this to function.
i am so fucking lost
Verso probably would've tried to erase the canvas no matter what
Gustav couldn't even convince her to have fun before expedition. How the fuck is he going to convince to leave the canvas, even temporarily?
if real verso was still alive and saw that his mother was hurting herself due to his painting, he would tear that shit up in a heartbeat
MaelleGODS vindicated.
Why do so many people like Clea? She barely has screentime, is a mega bitch in her limited screentime, is only nice in optional hidden dialogue, and did monstrous things to the people in the canvas.
She's awful.
sorry anon, but Vishnu Brappagupta Shartypati (your painter) has decided he's bored with your world and will now delete everyone including you
don't fight it cuz like, none of it matters since it's all fake anyways bro
painted renoir
I meant Gustave for Maelle and Painted Alicia for Verso.
They were probably the only two people that could have helped real Alicia to achieve a conclusion that could have allowed her to use the canvas in moderation.
Painted Renoir and Painter Renoir are the same as proven at the beginning of Act III. They are willing to do anything to keep their family safe no matter how vile.
That "this is a kindness, not a cruelty" line dropped on Maelle is the same kind of condescending """""mercy""""" Renoir drops on Verso with "oblivion being your reward".
You should preserve the painting because... the painting says so!
It's time to stop painting. Verso.
It's a good thing I don't care what paintershits want. You create a world and life on that world, you have the responsibility to care for them, simple 'as. If you can't, don't paint shit at all.
STOP QUOTING PAPA!!
Shes hot as fuck. Are you gay?
She's pretty
its her canvas, as much as verso's. unironcially has the most right out of any of them to do whatever she wants in there.
I never really see this brought up, but the ending implications of Alicia being a writer instead of a paintress are pretty interesting
The clues are all over the place, she was reading in her room all day, and her room is the only one that has a typewriter instead of any paintings or easels. Aline also only ever put one small painting of hers on the wall, which was just a crude painting of their mansion, not a unique and imaginative one like the other family members' works.
She is also obsessed with continuing Gustave's diary, where she writes down the entire story for the apprentices to read.
And she wasn't able to repaint Lumiere in the end, first she wanted Renoir's help but when it turned out he wasn't gonna help her and she stayed in the canvas, she couldn't repaint, the world is still fractured.
She never fit into her family, her mother hates her because Verso died for her (she repainted her as her broken burnt self instead of happy, and she sets Maelle on fire as soon as she reaches the paintress), and Clea also lets her know she loves and hates how Veros sacrificed himself, because he was infinitely more useful than her in their war or whatever.
Alicia was always the black sheep, which is why she can never find peace in the real world, and why she needs Verso's canvas since she can't make a proper one of her own.
And people forget there is a secret ending where you 100% all the mission, an ending where Marche stayed
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This analogy is awful because kicking the gods out of your world doesn't actually do shit. Since they have to be out of the world to completely destroy it anyway.
Finally, peace
they arent the same. they are the same in their stubbornness, not their goals. aline rewired the painted renoir's reasoning. if she painted renoir perfectly, painted renoir would also want her out of the painting for her own sake.
If we're going with the drugs analogy, it's proven the best way to get someone to kick the habit for good is to provide an alternate lifestyle. The Dessendre family seems to subscribe to the "completely self-destruct" method so I doubt things would get much better for Alicia outside the painting.
Threesome with the jeet and Lune's voice actress
She blew off Clea and Verso having fun there dozens of times, literally being so much of a cunt that she refused to hang out with Esquie.
The last time Clea & Verso were in there Alicia would've been like 2 or 3.
I'm not saying she looked happy, but I think the whole family gathering to honor Verso's memory at his grave instead of all the giga-canvas-cope is a step in the correct direction as far as actually healing.
That line had good delivery.
reminder that clea knew how long alicia was in for and she's the most reasonable of the family.
Clea isn't as smart as you think she is. Even though she prefaced that Aline would find where the portrait was hidden eventually, she praised Alicia for how clever her choice of hiding spot, which you'd think coming from "the most reasonable of the family" would suggest it'd take Aline at least one year in portrait time before getting found out.
Renoir and Aline caught up in each other as usual
Clea fucking off immediately after a sassy side-eye
Alicia staying behind well after everyone else has gone
not looking good, grim state of affairs really
Well I just meant she lives in pain irl due to being a burn victim so its not out of the question to expect her to end up killing herself so her just living in the painting is probably better for her as yeah she will die irl at some point she would have died from suicide anyway probably.
nobody'd even discuss this if the writer wasn't just a retarded hack and made maelle ending ominous looking
when asked during an interview she just said "i dunno i mean?????? uhhh??? overcoming grief is important???"
what a fucking shit game for ntr fans
he did care for the canvas and its inhabitants. in fact, he even had unconventional ideas about the nature of sentience for canvas people that other painters never even give the time of day. its the rest of the family that abused the place to the point of collapse.
Clea literally says they tried to invite Maelle multiple times but she blew them off to read alone in her room.
You're just making up delusions to excuse a midwit take of the game
everything is NTR
browns and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Weirdos seek out the most incredibly mid females and simp relentlessly for them.
because shes the only person in the family (allegedly) doing anything actually productive
You create a world and life on that world, you have the responsibility to care for them, simple 'as.
So how does that apply here? Remember that Verso did not create Lumiere nor did he create the people who live in it.
Renoir and Aline showing that much affection feels like a good sign to me, personally. Aline seems to be handling things well, means more support for Alicia hopefully.
All you can ask for, really. Clea... you can't cure being a cunt unfortunately, although she's arguably pretty justified.
the west is spiritually cucked and this game proves it
Alicia learns to paint
Makes her own painted world
Develops a healthy relationship with it so doesn't get the notion of spending her entire life in their
How is that not a better alternate lifestyle?
How is t
means more support for Alicia
They literally leave Alicia alone.
laezel voice actress + barefoot + unbuttoned blouse
that's enough to make my dick rock hard
people misunderstand Maelles ending because its all 'ominous' and 'framed like a living nightmare'
the people who wrote the game obviously don't understand what they are talking about
did they even get that painted people are real people?
Sciel was right, grief blinds you, all you see are walls
another paintershit slain, writerbros.
When you think about it, Mael's ending is the ending we all chose here on Anon Babble
How do retards like you skip this whole part?
It's a grave. There's nothing wrong with letting people take their time.
You can't just suffocate her with support either. She's already a recluse, and recluses tend to pull away with that shit.
i also don't get how is verso supposed to be more real than everyone fucking else in the painting
tourist outrage tranny doesnt even know her name
Versochads stay blasting retards
it applies to every member of the Dessendre family, anon. None of them operate by that ethical framework so they all ought to suffer until they understand that.
You can't just suffocate her with support either
They aren't showing her any support at all.
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They're already dead. I used to be for saving the canvas. But upon thinking about it, her dying to revive people and make a dollhouse sim; isn't really moral. It would be more moral for her to make a new canvas with new people that arent doomed.
I wish this world was a painting, would love for a painter to show up and end my pathetic existence. Bonus if it's a hot bitchy one like Clea to do it.
Most of you feel the same as me. We are just like Alicia, even in a fantasy of our own making, we still wouldn't be happy or satisfied. Only death awaits.
Okay but you're literally not punishing anyone from the Dessendre family. The only one you're punishing is Verso's soul by making him house what are effectively illegal immigrants brought in by Aline.
He was painted with parts of a real soul
what the fuck does this mean
Wouldn't have been gathered at the grave if that was the case.
This is some circular fucking logic.
She brought back people that shouldn't of been brought back like gustave. Then she basically rearranged versos dna
grieving wife tries to recreate her son in a painting
she's the best painter ever and creates the best copy
literally referred to as too well made
ridiculously precise copy of verso is good enough for the chunk of versos soul in the painting
painted verso has a little itty bit of a real person soul
Did you even finish the game?
Alicia stays in the painting, rots and dies.
Renoir is inconsolable and ends up blaming himself
without Renoir to tardwrangle, Aline falls back into her retardation
Clea will probably self-destruct on her own anyways with her one woman crusade against the wriggers
verso probably supported her as he was also a musician born into a family of painters. renoir probably wanted his eldest son to follow in his footsteps cause he had the talent for it, which is while he painted him as a mask axon, because he blieved he was wasting his potential. when it came to alicia though, he knew she struggled to follow in the family footsteps but had interests in other things. perhaps his experience with verso softened him up to the idea of his children finding their own paths, which is why alicia's axon is so hopeful. it also explains why renoir's attempts to support her are so cumbersome like building a tower to the sky and making her wings so she can fly despite her hating heights. he doesnt understand alicia cause shes a writer and hes a painter. its typical akward dad trying to connect with his daughter.
the soul arguments makes no sense without real explanations from the og writer and seems like gigacope just to say versoGPT is just a better language model
Maelle lived 16 years as one of the Painted people. Imagine if right now some faggot said your current gf/wife and family aren't real and you gotta come home with him, where you are a balding manlet with a 3 inch dick. That's pretty similar to what Maelle's perspective is.
Not only does Renoir expect her to be fine with her family getting deleted, but also return to a burned crisp of a perpetually hurting body that can't talk and lost one eye.
This is a whole lot of reaching and heavily relies on the rest of the family not jumping in to triple tag team the shit out of Alicia to punt her out.
what the fuck is a soul nigga
do they even elaborate this shit somewhere
It's implied renoir is a late in life painter. He could of been a musician too. Alicia got into writing. So I take it that renoir was open to his kids doing whatever they felt passionate about.
the twist is that he isnt and the real fragment of versos soul is a tortured child forced to make the simulation keep running
nta, but I think they're just implying that Alcia made a copy of Verso so good that it tricked verso's own painting into thinking it was him
Clea couldn't be fucked to do anything more than the bare minimum and Renoir pretty much accepted that she wasn't coming back from day 1.
Aline would probably like it if Alicia died.
That's why she can learn how to paint. And staying in the painting only ensures it's destruction.
Wouldn't have been gathered at the grave if that was the case.
They didn't even glance at her once. Oh actually, Clea did, and he fucked off 30 seconds later. Nice support.
so good "copies" or, let's say, painted charactes have a soul? where do we draw the line?
So I take it that renoir was open to his kids doing whatever they felt passionate about.
for sure, and his biggest disappointment in Alicia was that she just didn't do anything
she literally chooses escapism every time
even when you go through her Axon, which is all about 'just go fly' she fucking refuses.
You don't even fight the Axon, Alicia literally won't face her flaws
i dont think it was a trick. we see the fading boy be aware of the overall situation at times. he just accepted painted verso's decision as the right one in the end. they are both too tired.
He isn't more real. He's just Aline's most well made imitation of a person. Apparently her memories of Verso were very accurate.
There is a version of Verso that has a soul though, which is the little kid with no face. Based on the lore painters imbue a piece of their soul into a painting to make it live through their soul continuing to paint within some space just beyond the dimensional confines of the portrait.
Final Boss fight
Renoir = Dad with the belt
Alicia = the child
Monoco = the dog
Verso = imaginary
Aline = Mom that just got out of a relapse
Sirène = Dad's blow up doll with mom's photo for a face
What am I missing here?
Painted people are implied to be a part of the painters soul, alicia couldnt repaint lune and sciel she had to literally grab their chroma first to rebuild them
He LITERALLY killed her family. Are you fucking retarded or is it just you larping about having a functional family by choosing Verso's when in fact you despise them and that's why you are fine with them just getting erased like nothing?
Well alicia fused with maelle thus there could easily be some bleed over, to continue what maelle wanted to do, and since alicia wasnt fully capable of distancing herself from the painting it influenced her far more.
Real Alicia before jumping into the canvas was deadset on destroying it and helping Renoir (because she blamed herself for everything and felt like this was some sort of atonement).
After living within the canvas for 16 years after being painted over by her mom, she decided to save it.
Verso didn't give Maelle the letter from painted Alicia because it would go against his own wishes of destroying the canvas so he could finally die.
Alicia was a writer
the one time she presumably tries to do something Verso is killed and she's blamed for it
Clea and Aline both end up playing into this source of lifelong trauma
cool
LMAO VERSOFAGS IN SHAMBLES
what if we find out that something was a written world?
sentient residents of Lumiere
they are all dead by the end anyway so theres nothing there.
larping about having a functional family by choosing Verso's when in fact you despise them and that's why you are fine with them just getting erased like nothing
OBLITERATED Versofags can't recover from this one.
Real Alicia before jumping into the canvas was deadset on destroying it and helping Renoir
No, retard. She was an escapist flake even before jumping into the painting. When Clea tells her to fuck off and paint a face and throat before she forgets how to hold a conversation she goes "oh yeah it would be nice to be able to talk again.. not that that's what I'm going in for. I totally am jumping in to help papa... yeah. totally."
She could make paintings that allow that and not force this last bit of verso to suffer for it as well, he already died to save her
They will insist that necromancy = life, so they're already braindead
If you think that Renoir/Verso are commiting genocide, consider that the Lumierans were killed by Renoir at the end of act 2. Bringing back the dead for the sake of your "happy" ending is spitting on the sanctity of life and death. Either life is short and meaningful, or it's meaningless and can be brought back at any time at the whim of a Goddess. You can't have both. Even within the Canvas world both the people arguing for Maelle's ending and Maelle/Alicia does not respect life at all. You and her are both running away from our fragile natures and can't move on past the loss of life.
they are all dead
And your solution is rewarding the one that killed them? LMAO.
Conservatory = room
Alicia = dad
Piano = belt
Verso = kid
Verso getting tortured to death by his little sister so she can commit suicide, invalidating real Versos genuine sacrifice and wish for his sister to live = goofy mask
If picrel explicitly wrote "the player should stick a dildo up his ass right now" into the game, would you do it?
They all deserve it for being escapism enabling monsters.
and the game going out of its on numerous occasions to make i
sentient life!
game goes out of the way to point blank expo dump on you in a cutscene just to make sure you grasp its fake
retards still pretend the game meant otherwise
Yeah she was totally thinking that, that must be why it was Clea who suggested the healing and it wasn't something Alicia came up on her own. Totally anon. Fucking idiot.
its not about 'life' its about not taking my toys away. it doesnt matter if you already destroyed them, make new ones that are just as good and give them to me.
monoco mk 3
Wasn't Alicia just a fan of reading the writer's works (iirc Clea mentioned that while Verso and her were having adventures in his canvas she was holed up in her room reading)? Which is why she trusted them because she liked their works, which of course led to Verso dying. Clea even called her out for being so naive in trusting them.
How do you think the fire started? Any theories?
maellefag can't come up with an argument, resorts to self assfucking
predictable
this family of reality warpers that refuse to seek therapy kind of sucks
The only one that deserves to suffer his daughter dying inside the painting because they don't want to see their bitch ass dad anymore is Renoir. Be a better father next time and maybe your offpring won't grow to hate you lol.
Aline makes the painted verso, she is head of painters so is really good at it, makes a very accurate version of verso, that is also in versos only actual canvas with a piece of his soul, thereby yhe soul and painted verso are in harmony with eachother and both want the same thing
Cleafag
retard
I'm talking about the Lumierans enabling Aline's escapism.
I think its implied the writers somehow took advantage of alicia and used her. I think the idea is the writers gave her a book because she preferred to read and write over paint and the book blew up.
Clea
lol that bitch is more deas inside than Noco post resurrection.
you should get your morals from a psychopath
Are you just not capable of forethought? Maelle staying in the painting just guarantees it's doom, since it'll be destroyed when she eventually dies. Yet if had tried to face her actual life head on, she might've been able to convince her father to spare the painting, but look away it where no one will find it, thus guaranteeing it's survival.
Verso is the Wreckage Brother who Bane left to die in the plane.
Just before he dies he hallucinates all of it.
Actually im a maelle fag which is why i picked versos ending. To help her become healthy.
Dear Writer pen pal,
I hope you so enjoyed my last letter describing the layout of my house and description of all the entrances, its an odd writing topic but I enjoyed the challenge. I've received the book you sent without comment, titled, 'Open This Book and Burn to Death You Stupid Paintress Bitch', what a fun title! I'll read it now and send you another letter telling you what I think of it.
I think my brothers coming, I must go!
Sincerely, Alicia, your paintress pen pal
And I'm talking about Renoir being a shit dad and husband.
Writer's ask to go to her house promising something neat (new book or something)
She agrees cause she's a big fan
Writer's try to kill her family by setting a fire but only Alicia and Verso were home
Verso saves Alicia but dies in the process
Based
anon this is literally just her insane female delusions. verso is only real to her and her creations because she wants verso to be real. no sane rational being (clea, verso) thinks painted verso is verso
DING DONG Aline you've been in the bathroom too long it's time to come out!
shit dad and husband
sane rational being (clea, verso)
Maelle staying in the painting just guarantees it's doom
Leaving does toom staying keeps them alive longer. At the end of the day The Paintress is still Renoir being unreasonable. He killed them from the inside and failed so he now is trying to kill them from outside. A piece of shit like that deserves a second death in his family, considering he doesn't care how many times he did the same to others.
he still isn't more real than anyone else, just a better painted character
why should i empathize with him compared to literally anyone else in lumiere
actual retard doesn't even understand the argument, focuses on the assfucking part instead
Pottery
kek
honeymoon phase is overlong
people are starting to realize the twist was dogshit and Act 1 is 80% of what makes the game good
Alicia even says he's not "the" verso. Just someone that looks and sounds like him. The real verso most likely wasn't a self serving asshole
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If he were a good dad and husband his wife and daughter would be dying to see him again because they miss him. They don't because he sucks.
Leaving does toom staying keeps them alive longer. At the end of the day The Paintress is still Renoir being unreasonable. He killed them from the inside and failed so he now is trying to kill them from outside
What are you even saying here? Renoir is trying to get aline and alicia to stop abusing themselves out of grief. Hes also grieving but he knows he has to be strong for them.
Literally no one is realizing that becuase its not the case.
Alicia staying in the painting means she will eventually wither away in the real world
that may only happen after a long lifetime inside the canvas
Is it so bad, then? She's trading a lifetime for another, essentially.
square fucking mogged
people always act rationally when dealing with the sudden death of a loved one
schizo post
literally no one is realizing because we all knew it was shit all along
long lifetime inside the canvas
time in the canvas is nowhere near the same as real life. so she will wither away in like a month or two most likely.
oh god im speaking to a SnKfag
she is head of painters
WAS the head of the painters council. The way Clea words it her running away to Lumiere cost her her job.
Best Airship, all games any game
How long would you survive with no food, water, bathroom breaks, or rest. Theres the asnwer. Its less for her too because of her already bad health
Renoir is trying to get aline and alicia to stop abusing themselves out of grief.
Don't care. He killed people for decades. Families thorn by his hand. Children losing their parents. I feel no sympathy for him. I don't think Maelle staying is good because he suffers, but it sure is a bonus.
Isn't like, hours outside = months or even years inside the canvas?
If that's the case, she may last long enough to live a full life inside the painting world, right?
we better be able to kill the wriggers in the sequel
Paris filled to the brim with megalomaniacal god-complex artists
Germans pls cleanse that shithole
Renoir lasted 67 canvas years trapped under the monolith so probably.
I think its 1 day irl is 1 year in the canvas. But i cant recall if thats accurate. But we dont know at what point the damage starts to happen. But renoir says she will hurt herself and we see aline sick at the end too. So likely only get 3 months maybe. For someone stronger like aline and renoir.
Children losing their parents. I feel no sympathy for him.
they arent children theyre painted images. They arent real.
Yes, but leaving also gives Maelle a chance to learn how to paint and make her own canvas. That way she doesn't desecrate her brother's canvas with her death. Maelle's ending is nothing but pure selfishness, considering everything that transpires in the story is brought about by her own naivety or foolishness in trusting the writers.
She's an in injured, weak young girl. If her body is not being piloted, i give her a week at most.
had this opinion the morning after i beating it and had time to digest it. the music and presentation carries the story in act 3 so you dont really notice the oddities. like how sciel and lune just stop talking about anything important like their right to live as people of lumiere. never once did they try to argue their piece to renoir.
There's nothing in the game that tells us how long a year in the canvas is in real life. Best we can do is make guesses with Aline and Renoir being in the canvas for 67 years which was long enough in real life to start negatively affecting things and for Clea to get impatient
alicia is the writer the rest doesnt matter
they arent children theyre painted images
Renoir's isn't real. He's a video game character. He deserves the ending where he is implied to suffer.
its about a week that aline was in the canvas. thats at least 67 years, more even since she was in there before the fracture for a worrisome amount of time.
They stop talking altogether outside of their romances. They don't ever say anything relevant again after Gustave dies.
Lumierans have not been painted beings for 100+ years, all of them sans the dessandre's clones are born.
Come back to this I find it hilarious how you people have avoided facing this very simple fact. You don't care about your family. You are larping. If you cared about your family you would put yourself in Maelle's PoV and think about your own father, mother, sister, gf all being deleted from existence and feel bad about it. You don't care if they get deleted as long as you are promised there is a "real world" out there that can get you away from them.
Lumierans have not been painted beings for 100+ years, all of them sans the dessandre's clones are born.
Clean literally says that alicia is being reborn as one of alines creations. the lumerians are all alines creations and painted by her.
Renoir's
renoir is real though retard. the game tells you taht.
ah ok idk where i got the 1 day is 1 year thing. But yeah she wont last long as a weak injured girl who isnt as strong at painting as her family.
it's funny how people think the 16 years she spent with Gustave mean nothing, lmao. Gustave is just as valuable to her as her family.
Maelle's PoV and think about your own father, mother, sister, gf all being deleted from existence
except they arent deleted? Theyre outside the canvas?
maelle was entangled in aline's chroma or some bullshit when she first enters the canvas and that caused her to be born as a lumierean tho it might just be a single line addenum to explain why she had to be babified with how oddly fasttracked thqt part of the epilogue was
like how sciel and lune just stop talking about anything important like their right to live as people of lumiere. never once did they try to argue their piece to renoir.
I thought about this in the shower too but realized neither Sciel nor Lune would be saying this kind of stuff. The only one in the team that would be dropping JRPG Protag at Renoir like Shulk was Gustave.
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I can almost hear Gustave say this shit to Renoir.
I JUST WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE AS A LUMERIAN
IN A WORLD WITHOUT YOU
Except she has the memories of Alicia, so she knows that they aren't her real family.
I think they did rush gustave. his death scene was kino but who he was is an oddity that they didnt expand on. Hes clearly different than the other lumerians. I first thought he was a younger renoir or something but they dont seem to suggest that.
Gustav wouldn't let Maelle waste away in the painting. He'd tell her to leave.
Then she'd overwrite that part of him so he stops saying it.
renoir is real
Yeah? Where can I meet his bitch ass then?
If Maelle is capable of re-painting everyone Renoir killed anyway, why doesn't she just re-paint them in her own canvas?
Marche was right. Escapismcucks still seething 22 years later it seems? touch grass
the game would have been better if he did the anime ENTER during the duelist fight. imagine hearing the line "for those who come after" then lightning striking the duelist in the pit?
tfw talking to an 80 IQ ape
You have no hope.
She would need Aline's chroma for that
how useful can I make the death bomb I wanna turn Gustave into a Bravely Default dark knight also it'd be really funny if he specifically attacks by dying
Gustave was a creator and was able to understand the rules of the world without having all the pieces to the puzzle.
Gustave would have been able to convince her to leave for a little while. Verso was going to destroy the painting as soon as she left, she had no reason to even trust him.
She doesn't need Aline's chroma to repaint everyone Renoir killed in Verso's painting?
Maelle is just using Aline's chroma to repaint everyone.
I'm so bored of people talking about this game. Stop.
her canvas, her choice
Paris 1905.
she would have to practice and train to be as good as verso/aline/renoir. She just wants her toys now and doesnt want to learn to paint.
Maelle a shit
Verso only committed to destroying the painting when Maelle lied about eventually leaving.
Maelle's the only one forcing the paintings destruction.
its pretty much what aline is doing with her painted family. painted verso lives in constant guilt and suffering for being a mere facsimile of the people she actually loves.
Maelle is not the No. 1 thing in Gustave's life. She did become that when he was left in a desperate state of mind once they arrived at the Continent and his team got wiped out, but Gustave didn't join Expedition 33 to "save Maelle". He wanted revenge at the Paintress, and to save the rest, including Emma and his apprentices. If Maelle has to be stuck to avoid the demise of everything he loves, it's going to be a hard decision for him, not an straightforward LMAO LEAVE XD.
They're all still painted beings even when born. That's why they are all still affected by gommage even though they're not directly painted by Aline with a brush. They were made through her control over the chroma in the portrait.
Gustav would totally tell Maelle to kill herself
poor bait
my love a shit
what did the poojeet meaned by this
Everyone in Lumiere is made of Aline's chroma because she painted Lumiere.
Recovering her previous memories means the old ones and their feelings for those people get wiped out
You really are fucking beyond help LMAO.
Ben Starrbros, is ff16 worth it?
It's also why Gestrals and Grandis don't grommage, they're real Verso's creations and not the paintress.
Verso seemed uncomfortable about the prospect of living, he never seemed like his mind was changed. He was just going along because he felt obligated too because he failed.
She lied but he didn't even try to bargain. He was always dead set on it being destroyed. His last words were even don't make me live.
Its Clea's
Gustave would totally tell Verso to kill his sister, apprentices and friends
Poor bait.
I think it's painfully clear the game cares exclusively about the grieving family and the tragedy. All this talk of souls and sentience is irrelevant to the message of the game. You either let Verso go or stay attached to the fantasy that he is still there.
the last conversation between the two was Painted Verso's one chance to be a genuinely good big brother and he fucking botched it
Anon Babble talks like they would not dive dick first into a fake world full of fake women fuck
probably too early for anything like that. maelle is your best bet for the early cause she has a party cover so you can set her up to be the priority to die by tanking hits.
the game cares exclusively about the grieving family and the tragedy
Yeah that's why they show you this amirite?
the fuckton of dialogue specifically referring to the painting people, their souls and their right to exist sort of disagrees with that notion. It gets dropped in the final confrontation because the Painters are selfish fucks that don't care about the paintplebs.
All this talk of souls and sentience is irrelevant to the message of the game
Go throw Chroma at the fountain, faggot. You literally skipped 90% of the game to arrive at that conclusion.
a being
Fading Man
Fading Woman
Young Boy
These are not people. They are remnants of painters who painted shit in the canvas. Their feelings/emotions.
too pussy to enter the final room with the rest of the cast
what a worthless bitch
There's no a fuckton, there's one dialogue from boy Verso in one optional dungeon.
I unironically agree, outside of the fact that she should probably let Verso die and should hopefully just take a break from the canvas and have tea with her bitchy sister every now and then rather than burn herself out needlessly quick like she's an addict that can't go a few days on leave.
I hate how the lives of Lumiere are treated as completely expendable in the end when the vast majority of the story is about exploring their clear emotional agency as individuals.
This part gave me a boner, knowing she was filled with PURE rage, but unable to do anything about it.
The Canvas is doomed either way. She can't maintain it for ever and she's way weaker than her mother that was barely holding it up.
This nigga thinks Ai is alive because it talks back to him.
The writers of the game didn't care. Lune and Sciel don't have an opinion in Act 3. They don't even kick Verso out of the group like any normal person would.
Verso seemed uncomfortable about the prospect of living, he never seemed like his mind was changed. He was just going along because he felt obligated too because he failed.
And? Verso living isn't required for the painting to go on.
He only committed to destroying the painting when he realized his sisters life was on the line.
He didn't kill himself, he sacrificed himself to make sure She Continued.
It pisses me off that Sciele even shook Verso's hand after he blatantly betrayed them (twice) and got them and their entire society killed.
Yes, and they show you her choosing to stay in the paintings safe zone instead of entering the soul chamber where painted creations get erased. It's consistent with her character of being the stubborn nigh inflexible one. She can't accept moving on.
They had to show them and it wouldn't make sense for Lune to be happy. But that's it, everything else is about the family. I truly do not know how you can watch both endings and not understand it's about letting Verso rest, literally and metaphorically.
Verso Dessendre
Forever Painted In Our Hearts
being wiped out of existence because Verso wants it
moving on
lel
For me
Renoir already painted hundreds of worlds so destroying one means next to nothing for him and Aline was the one who trained him to feel like that after he almost died from doing the same shit she was doing now. I assume the rest of the kids were trained in a similar manner so they'd share a similar sentiment.
Fuck Verso. I picked Maelle ending to make that asshole suffer.
moving on
this is her life we're talking about retard. Paintershits have no concept of empathy outside their dysfunctional frog family
she was already wiped out once and bounced back. she clearly doesnt have a soul to take issue with it or remember it.
What life? She never had one. She only ever chose to be the dutiful lab monkey and back up plan.
yup, maelle suffering slow brain death as she slowly forgets to breathe wasting away into oblivion
Sciel is a shell of her former self after her husband's death. She doesn't care whether she lives or dies, that's why she's stated at the Camp to be stoic and mostly unmoved by events that occur all the time. She likely saw it as going back to her husband.
says the Anon Babbleermin
she was already wiped out once and bounced back.
Yeah and your faggot ass solution is to reward genociders for their genocide LMAO. Part of why Maelle's ending is the good one is because Renoir ans Verso both suffer. Everyone else is shown happy in that ending.
genocide of made up pictures of alines
kek verso didnt make the lumerians. theyre an invading species created by a psycho mother. who cares.
Verso did nothing wrong in wanting to break free of the cycle. Suck my dick Anon Babble.
puppets
happy
She already stopped caring about living after her husband died and she miscarriaged. Learning about the truth of the world made it worse because she realized that nothing matters because everything is fake.
The only hope she had left by the end was Maelle reviving her husband as the paintress.
Better than throwing herself from atop the Eiffel tower like it's gonna happen in Verso's ending.
What do you think about Trump deporting people to El Salvador?
I don't care about NPCs no matter how "sentient" they appear. This is just the android argument with magic instead of technology. Unless you are created by God you are not a person.
verso didnt make the lumerians
Doesn't matter, he grew to accept them
Waste of fuel. Bullets are cheaper
Verso even loved the Lumierians more than Alicia, kek
You only picked Maelle ending because you're a pedo
So you're saying that Renoir deleting the people who were never painted by Verso in the first place deserve to be obliterated.
Nobody is created by God, there is no God.
When was the last time Anon Babble was this mindbroken over a games ending?
The only puppet in that ending is Verso lmao.
Verso is exactly the kind of person who deserves to be thrown into the gulag. He's a global genocider, he's worse than the worst war criminals we've had in history.
except thats not actually verso. its a fragment of the soul in the canvas. aline didnt paint the lumerians until after verso died.
skyrim prob?
Her giving you this stare after you just pumped her full of semen the night before.
No, I'm saying shitskins should be killed since they don't belong in USA
I picked her because she had 4x more HP than Verso and 3x more defense.
And 2x more lumina points invested.
And she looks nice.
And she is not a traitor.
its a fragment of the soul in the canvas
Aka the only living part of Verso still left.
No, because Sciel, Lune, and the other inhabitants deserve to live. What would you do if the "god" of this universe wanted to end it because he wanted to die? Nah, he doesn't deserve to end the lives of innocents just because he was suicidal.
Lune's the main downside to choosing Verso's ending. Otherwise, it'd be very easy.
They show you Lune specifically to guilt-trip you. It's considered one of, if not the most, iconic shots in the game for a reason.
Alicia get out of the painting! You're shitting yourself!
Yeah, the hope of potentially seeing the one she loved again dangled in front of her before being snatched way, as she and all her friends and students in Lumiere were killed.
maelle: "the only puppet is verso! lol"
all the puppets in opera clap in unison
clea looking it this shit happen like she was looking at human garbage
And Lumiere doesn't belong on Verso's canvas as he never painted it, never collaborated to bring it into existence, none of that. Lumiere is a tacked on imitation of Paris on a painting that is pure fantasy. Its existence is that meme of a BMW in Lord of the Rings.
Its funny. It gotten to a point you could just post a piano and shitposting arise from it.
What would you do if the "god" of this universe wanted to end it because he wanted to die?
That's not the worse part. That would have been death at Renoir's hand. What Verso did is Elliot Rodger getting reality warping powers and sending us all to die because he didn't get pussy.
not a traitor
burns her brother to death
all the puppets in opera clap in unison
Damn, we are all puppets because of the Chicken Jockey...
who's we, fagbag?
He chose to burn himself to death while saving her.
A honest mistake on her part anyway.
Maelle gommages Alicia before Verso can say goodbye
She's yandere isn't she?
Payback for Gustave.
We humans.
It's revenge for letting Gustave die.
If you argue for Verso because "nah uh dey not real muh VR" you're an asmongold tier mongoloid retard without a soul or reading comprehension.
You can argue for Verso the correct way ie. the people of Lumière have a valid existence, but Alicia WILL NOT FIX THEM because of her obsession for a perfect frozen good ending.
Motherfucking cr1tikal the fencepost rider got it better than most of this board
frogslop
She doesn't care about Gustave though.
If she did she would have brought Gustave back the same evening that she brought Lune and Sciel back. Lune literally tells her that his chroma is still floating around them and she feels it whenever she uses pictos.
thats what the police report says anyways. btw, did you read alicia's new novel "I Murdered My Brother In A Fire And Got Away With It?"
Alicia WILL NOT FIX THEM
versus exterminating them?
im afraid you lose the right to being called human if you bought a Minecraft movie ticket
Verso: go live your life as a burnt cripple, you have no right to complain
Alicia: How about you live your life playing the piano for me like you said you would :)
Verso: NOOOO I LIED UNPAINT ME UNPAINT ME I DONT WANT THIS LIFE I DONT WANT THIS LIFE
Why is he such a hypocrite?
But there's another layer to that, the fact that Lumiere needs "fixing" because of two faggots in particular. Picking their ending means the villains won and got rewarded for making things as bad as they are. They don't deserve to win.
exterminating
Aline wiggles her pinky toe and farts
Lumiere is back in a different canvas
Painted people's "lives" are cheaper than the paper used for their canvas.
the entire family is hypocrites
More importantly, which ending they will take as canon for the sequel?
They're all already dead. And considering the state of Lumière at her ending, Lune and Sciel behave extremely suspiciously, you can't even be sure it's them anymore.
Their best chance is for Alicia to remember them fondly, to recover mentally and repaint Lumière somewhere else, or recover her relationship with Aline and ask her to do it.
different chroma different people
It's still their best shot
neither. its an alternate ending where gustave fixes everything like the chad he is
You literally fell into Asmongold tier 2 posts later kek. You Versotards have no hope.
This is the correct moral argument for Maelle's ending. If you want the Dessendres to suffer for being cruel demiurges, it's better.
It will be a prequel where you play as the son of a writer and it will end with Verso dying.
Retard.
"It's not about verisimilitude. It's about essence."
"The truth of them."
Who the fuck would know the truth of them better than their creator?
Gustave invented the lumina converter which is enough of a game changer to strengthen expeditioners enough for them to subdue Painters like Aline. Painters need chroma to do their magic and aren't omnipotent. The people of the painting at least have a chance to take back their autonomy unlike in the Verso ending where their chroma is gone for good
Verso didn't create the humans of the world, that was Aline. Verso created the Gestrals, Grandis, Monoco and Esquie. Clea created Francois and then abandoned his ass.
Verso didn't create the humans of the world, that was Aline
Yes, who do you think I said will wiggle her toe and fart Lumiere back to existence? Hint : not Verso.
The people of the painting at least have a chance to take back their autonomy
Alicia won't allow it, nobody can interfere or ruin her perfect ending. Unless you argue that at some point between the 58th concert and Renoir or Clea going to sleep then coming back to beat her ass and burn the Canvas, Alicia somehow decides that it's enough and she's going to leave, which is fanficition level. If at any point in the game she decided to take a break, the story would end happily.
Lumiere back to existence
without the same chroma it would be a different Lumiere genius
wcyd
Nowhere in the lesson to bring Lune and Sciel back does it require being the same chroma.
Besides, while considered disrespectful without permission from the original artist, transferring paint from one canvas to another is a thing in the real world. That covers any retarded hangups about muh chroma.
Gustave being alive could end up dangerous to the Painters. The paintings work as magic we already saw one Painted being able to enter the Twilight Zone with god privileges. Would it be possible for a Painted to exit the Painted world? It's magic, we can't say for sure.
But what Gustave did was already akin to achieving a sort of reality warping. Gustave managed to find a way to use the Chroma of another Paintress different from his own creator entirely and wield said power as his own. Canonically, Painted Power and the gamebreaking capabilities that come with it are all Gustave's Lumina Converter in action, Painted Power is absorbing the Chroma of the Paintress herself, a god. Given more time, could he achieve what seems unachievable and come out of his pocket dimension?
transferring paint from one canvas to another is a thing in the real worl
You can't do that here because child Verso's soul is embedded there, you have to discard it all
If at any point in the game she decided to take a break, the story would end happily.
is that really the way you're spinning this shit? Literally all of the Dessendres both painted and flesh went about it in the worst ways possible and only served to make things worse and worse. Why should we give those fuckheads what they want?
greek god analogy
What does “find an expeditioner” mean for some sellers? Do i get more party members
The story is beat for beat a Greek tragedy thoughever
yes. do the main quest, nothing is locked out of doing later.
braless
and Verso ensured he was killed. The real STEMchad protagonist died in the first act and so the poor painting has to endure the never-ending histrionic nonsense of a retarded aristocratic artfag family
Nothing in the lesson to revive anyone mentions that either. All that's needed is that you capture the essence of that person's true nature aka the truth of who they are.
if you have five already, then no. it might be a cosmetic for a character who was in your party earlier, but isn't now.
Find more party members. In the event that you still see "find an expeditioner" when you already have Monoco aka your last party member, that means the item was meant for Gustave.
Literally all of the Dessendres both painted and flesh went about it in the worst ways possible and only served to make things worse and worse. Why should we give those fuckheads what they want?
I agree with this and it's the correct argumentation for Maelle's ending. No it won't make anything better for the Lumierians, but it will make the bastard Dessendre demiurges suffer
i like bossy women
WAAAH I DON'T WANNA BE HOT AND IMMORTAL WAAAAH
why is verso such a fucking pussy? i assume its because he's french and the idea of banging his qt3.14 sister is terrifying to his faggot sensibilities, but is there anything else?
She looks like a female chud
the fire really only took the one good one
Gustave's Lumina Convertor manages to make use of both Aline and Clea's chroma. It also gave them the ability to inherit the extra stat buffs instead of being stuck with the 3 pictos like the previous expeditions.
Imagine if Expedition 33 didn't get spawn killed by Renoir and how busted they would get.
So many normies playing this on stream being absolutely shocked that the paintress wasn't the main antagonist
I fucking hate normies so much. They never played a single RPG before but wanna praise this game as the best ever. Fuck normies bandwagoning on all our hobbies.
WAAAH I DON'T WANNA BE HOT AND IMMORTAL WAAAAH
The DLC ending :)
Maelle's dead a day later from huffing too much paint fumes
Renoir takes a torch to the painting
Decades old Lumerians dead and all their works and history gone
over a days worth of suffering for the nasty demiurges
kek
I was holding them back
classic wow
Lucien's reaction to Inverted
KEK
implying Alicia's death wouldn't crush that retard family for good
The dude got mindbroken after his girlfriend thought he betrayed her and she tried to kill him
He's already lived two life times. He didn't ask to be immortal and there is a lot of examples of immortality not being the greatest thing.
Freedom.
verso refers to himself as immortal multiple times and says he's over 100 years old. was he lying? to what end? Renoir says he was stuck under the monolith for 87 years, was he also lying? it doesn't make any sense for him to be anything other than functionally immortal. even after Maelle beats the dog fuck out of him in the best ending, he doesn't 'die' until she like, un-exists him or whatever the fuck (just to bring him back later)
aerisfags are maellefags
not surprising
I like Verso, but I feel the game's tone is too sympathetic toward him.
Verso was a manipulative snake who would, without a shred of remorse, kill himself and countless others for his own agenda. Lying through his teeth the whole time. But the endings coddle him like a baby and as a result so does most of the audience. He should be far more divisive but the author "weighed in" and clearly told us he was right, what he did was fine, there aren't two sides here. It really put a damper on the ending and the character for me.
Bro, Aline painted her as hickory smoked bacon. Clea insinuated to her that Renoir and Aline being stuck in the painting was her fault.
The only one that would really mourn her passing is Renoir because he had high hopes for her.
Her death ain't crushing shit.
Oh and he's a hypocrite too. Judging by the painted Alicia scene.
Verso was a manipulative snake who would, without a shred of remorse, kill himself and countless others for his own agenda.
You gotta ask yourself how he ended up like this. Go do 100 years of watching people die to feed your psycho mother their souls.
Most people don't even see that, they just go "Wow, Maelle is such a bitch. Poor Verso"
Her death ain't crushing shit.
Maybe, but my next best seller novel will.
Sure but that being everyone else's problem while backstabbing and fucking his way through the game shouldn't have been cast in such a cloyingly soft light. Like I said, I really like Verso as a character, I don't like how the writing sucks his dick. Especially the last part of the game and the endings.
It says a lot when both his mom and dad thought his most defining trait was that he's a liar (He who guards truth with lies) and he even repeats Renoir's line about how everyone's a hypocrite.
Go to bed Alan. You won't be born for another 72 years.
The two things aren't exclusive. Maelle is kind of a bitch in that moment. Remember, Gustave's death question is the last node of the friendship system for those 2. It's not even about revenge, it's just her acting as cold as her parents.
But he IS a hypocrite, and a piece of shit too, because his sister wants suicide because of him, yet he feels like they have to ask him before gommaging someone yet he doesn't give Sciel or Lune a say in his ending, or the people of Lumiere a say in Act II.
Alan Woke means the Writers won. Clea lost. Cope.
maelle's also a hypocrite for respecting alicia's decision to end herself but not verso's
I wonder if you could fit this game as a perquel to the Remedyverse.
Maybe most of the reality editors died in WW1 and the post-war governments agreed to suppress them so their existence drifted out of public knowledge?
I think it makes sense within the context of the game
The thing is the dude is consistently lying to the party throughout the entire game, so they never really know about his motivations in order to punish him
His dialogue in Act 3 is especially sociopathic in hindsight. He lies to Sciel about trying to help get her husband back, and he even lies to fucking Esquie about wanting to go on more adventures with him. You can't really blame the game for not going harder on him when none of the party even know his motivations
Plus I felt like Painted Alicia feeling betrayed that he never gave Maelle her letter and deciding to kill herself was a decent punishment for him.
NOOOO NOOO MAELLE IS RIGHT!! DESTROYING THE PAINTING = MURDER REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
proceeds to close the game thus killing all the people in the game world
lol
lmao even
why not let the game run forever basedboy?
His dialogue in Act 3 is especially sociopathic in hindsight. He lies to Sciel about trying to help get her husband back, and he even lies to fucking Esquie about wanting to go on more adventures with him. You can't really blame the game for not going harder on him when none of the party even know his motivations
Bro what? He doesn't lie about either of those circumstances. He just chooses to abandon those goals at the final act. That's why he's staring around like a retard when Renoir and Alicia are fighting over the canvas and why he apologizes to everyone in view before jumping into the area where Soul Verso resides.
Looking back I thought it was pretty fucked up how he kept talking about the future when he knew full well that the world was gonna be erased.
The Monoco final social point honestly felt like he was trying to convince Verso not to go through with it.
i think its more that he was trying to convince himself to keep going on but grief and guilt and trying to stop maelle from being a fucking retard forced his hand
Dude if you don't think that counts as lying I think that says a lot about you as a person. Even before the final batle as soon as Alicia goes against Renoir you can tell he isn't 100% on board and still wants to die, so already he's lying about how he really feels about the situtation
But even still, these are serious promises he's making to the party. It doesn't matter if he changes his mind only in the final battle, the fact that he changed his mind at all shows that he was lying when he said he would help Sciel or go on adventures with Esquie. If you make a long term promise like that but are willing to throw it away, then you never really believed in the promise in the first place.
A videogame, as far as we know, isn't literal magic that imbues its depictions of people with sentience
maelle fag trying to explain why verso lying about killing himself is different to her lying about killing herself
Dude if you don't think that counts as lying I think that says a lot about you as a person.
Yeah, it shows that I'm fully capable of understanding that shit changes based on circumstances. If your dad told you he'd go play catch with you at 5 pm but then had to take your mom to the hospital because her appendix burst does that mean your dad lied or does that mean circumstances changed so he had to change too?
not playing catch with mom's intestines on the way to the hospital
shitty father
I didn't even go with Maelle's ending I just think Verso is a sociopath and it's fucked up how he acted towards the party when he fully intended to have the canvas destroyed
Even acting like his decision was suddenly made in the final battle is cope. Like Maelle says to him after he quest, he always intended for everyone in the canvas to be erased in the first place, he always wanted everyone to be erased
Except this is a guy that already lied to the party and had the killed beforehand. You're telling me that after he gets Sciel killed, he all of sudden fully intends to now help her get her husband back? Bullshit, the guy always intended for everyone in the canvas to die one way or another, he was just fine going along with Alicia for a time.
kills her painted self
makes no effort to stop her death
tells verso he is selfish for wanting his sister to live
fuck this bitch
He literally tells Monoco that he's going to work on earning their trust back, in one of the interactions after all cards were finally on the table.
he was ready to continue on with his terrible life, maelle being a stupid fucking bitch was the problem. its spelled out for you in the end despite all your grasping.
You're example only works if the person is actually being honest about their intentions
Verso very clearly was never fully on Alicia's side
Yes he is being dishonest to Monoco when he says that you gullible sap. He doesn't care about actually helping them, he just wants them to trust him ahain
see
painted guy who's only knowledge of his dad is a painted version
painted version of dad is an absolute bag of dicks that only exists to simp for his mom
"daddy likes me, he'll listen"
Gee I wonder why the fuck he'd be skeptical.
reminder that renoir says he can peacefully end his life right then and there. verso didnt take the deal then. he had intentions to live. its maelle's whore fault that he decides to end the canvas cause he knows shes a lying fucking cunt of a sister
he was ready to continue on with his terrible life
No he fucking wasn't. From the very moment Alicia appears he wants her to leave the canvas and wants Renoir to destroy everything. He NEVER says he wants to continue his terrible life in Act 3. You're trying to make a headcanon about how a pathological liar felt in the situation when nothing indicates he wanted the canvas or his life to continue existing in Act 3
NO HE LIES HE LIES ALL HE SAYS ARE LIES
Then there's no point continuing this discussion with you. You're not here to exchange ideas, just to farm (You)s.
youre headcanoning!
fifteen somersaults to theorize that verso's shittains one night aligned with the moon to give us proof that he was being uncertainly certain about a decision one time
verso is clearly in the wrong here
idiots may assume that he was correct that renoir would, in fact, not listen.
however, enlightened minds will realize that in his statement he makes the mistake of disagreeing with alicia, which means he is ontologically wrong
Verso kills countless Lumerians and tricks the rest into finishing them all off
Poor Verso. Let's all feel bad for the mass murderer who does it for family while abandoning his only real one
Alicia WILL NOT FIX THEM
They don't need fixing. They just want to live
LMAO
is there a bigger fucking cunt than maelle in fiction?
She's tied with Joffrey.
they arent real anon. even verso knows that
Why didn't Verso just let Renoir kill Maelle?
She would wake up as Alicia and use paintress powers to save her parents.
she's a shit painter
You mean her mother?
That's not Maelle's mother thoughbeit.
mewt is everything maelle is except he also has the power to pull random people from the real world into the canvas as level 1 slimes unable to speak or communicate that they have the souls of humans, and then when they are killed in the painting by beginner adventurers grinding for XP the real world versions actually die for real.
maelle pre-merge with real alicia was a better person than maelle post-merge. it just goes to show how terrible the real alicia is as a person if her fake persona ended up being massively better at being human than she was
does 1.9 billion damage
paints myself without a hp bar
You guys can't be serious right now. Like Monoco's whole reason for wanting to revive Noco asap after the paintress fight is literally because he knows there's a real possibility Verso will destroy everything
Even Monoco, Verso's best friend knows that he isn't being 100% truthful about his intentions in Act 3 like come on now
french video game subject
wow look at her skill with an eraser. shes such an amazing artist
One nitpick. There's no such thing as a pre and post merge Maelle. They've always been merged together.
What you mean is pre and post memory return.
Monoco and noco are actual pieces of verso, unlike the creature distrusted by monoco because it is a creation of aline.
as far as we know