What are your concerns for the game regarding changes from Rogue Trader's gameplay and setup?

What are your concerns for the game regarding changes from Rogue Trader's gameplay and setup?

There is morale damage on top of normal damage, so you can beat enemies by making them surrender.

Game takes place in one planet and its biomes

There is no correct answer in the investigations, there are just consequences based on who you declare guilty, including seemingly unrelated innocents.

Morality is based on Traditionalist-radical spectrum

No momentum system on this game

SLIGHTLY shorter game but with better reactivity and consequences/outcomes

Full Voice Acting

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most interesting class and abilities went to the genius black queen

No momentum and shorter story are both nice improvements

None of them, it all sounds good

I think the "slightly shorter but deeper" is a good thing.
Concerned how full voiced dialogue might mess up dialogue quality, harder to do rewrites. And concerned with how it might effect future content like DLC too. Since if they are gonna add companions like in RT with every DLC, they are gonna have to give them reactivity to previous content including DLCs for example (I.E. Arbites in next RT DLC will need to have comments for Void Shadows and Kibellah for Lex etc.)

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SLIGHTLY shorter game but with better reactivity and consequences/outcomes

In theory, I don't mind a shorter game as Rogue Trader's Acts 3 and 5 were both underbaked and superfluous, and added nothing in the game. If Dark Heresy is going to be only Rogue Trader's Prologue, Act 1, 2, and 4, but fleshed out even more, I'm very happy.

Now, if Dark Heresy is shorter than Rogue Trader *and* contains bullshit chapters that only detract from the game, then fuck that.

as long as I can chaosmaxx it'll be fine

I want them to rebalance combat so it isn't just "Lol kill everyone including bosses without invulnerability mechanics on round 1-2)
Make it harder to get OP

Everything sounds good, I'll miss voidship combat, the only good minigame Owlcat made

The changes seem overall good, the only thing I am iffy about is the full voice acting because it always leads to less dialogue, every time it is implemented.

Momentum is the only reason why it was possible.

I'm very much interested in the investigation system they're replacing the space combat with. That will either make or break the game.

Nah, there are OP things without momentum

Nivigator skills beyond busted

Officer extra turn and buffs

Arch millitant

Warriors can become unkillable living walls without using momentum

Bladedancer+exe even without ult deals insane damage stacks espcially if someone else can also get dots in

Voidship combat was good because they could just transplant ideas from Battlefleet Gothic.

Everything that you posted, seems good to me. But it's impossible to tell how they will actually be ingame.
My only concern is the extremely lacklustre companions they have shown.
But there are obviously going to be more, and Abelard, while looking like a boring, generic character, is actually one of the best owlcat companions. So I will try to not be too negative about it.
Considering that there is not a single potential waifu in the shown line up, though, that is a real concern. As the unrevealed companions are not likely to all be waifus.

lol

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Shorter story is a positive, in fact they should make it half the length and make sure 50% of the story isn't unfinished and broken. After that use whatever dev time left to add replayability and reactivity.
Full voice acting is concerning but we'll just have to see how it turns out.

It's funny to see people still forcing the

NOOOOO WE DON'T NEED ROMANCE IT DOESN'T FIT 40K GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

meme even after Rogue Trader

multiple xeno shitters presented right at the front in the promotional materials instead of being (secret) optional companions

I am concerned, all right.

Yeah, but some waifufags are treating it like Mass Effect
"necron warlord gf" is just retarded lore rape

>There is no correct answer in the investigations, there are just consequences based on who you declare guilty, including seemingly unrelated innocents.

The companions seem pretty lame but maybe they are more interesting once you get to know them however this one has me actually worried. The whole point of an investigation is to find the correct answer, so I feel like this has the potential to be really unsatisfying or outright frustrating. I don't want some ambiguous "maybe you got the correct suspect, maybe you didn't" bullshit or get dogshit rewards because I didn't let a corrupt but wealthy suspect go.

Will Owlkek continue spamming 40K RPGs (Only War, Black Crusade, Imperium Maledictum etc.) while using RT as a base? That would unironically be kino, since they do 40K well

FFG's 40k TTRPGs all follow the same D100 system

In the tesser images they included Only War and Datk crusade in filename so eho knows maybe they hinted at future projects

I really wish Arbites wasn't an origin, I wanted to play psyker shotgun Arbites

The companions look very underwhelming, can't say it's a good sign for the game as a whole. Also it's quite obvious they aren't going to go with the low power level Dark Heresy is known for, which is another disappointment.

In Owlcats interview a few months back they confirmed they are not working on Eberron, Forgotten Realms, Planescape, World Of Darkness, Shadowrun, WHFB, Pathfinder, or their own original setting. So that leaves 40K, Dark Sun, or Exalted. Considering how unknown and forgotten both Dark Sun and Exalted are, it is absolutely possible that every single one of their current projects is 40K.

I don't think they even remember how to make low level anymore.

Just joined the death cult and i think i got a new base outfit? Can i switch back to my old one or something?

i really need a GOTH dommy MOMMY nurglite GF to FART in my face (you know what i mean fellas!!!)

Evayne x Corsairfu is canon

My concern is that the main girl is BLACK, unlike the cute fish girl or elf from rogue trader

the main girl is BLACK

Anon... it's the kroot

Tpbp

My MAIN concern is that the KROOTlady will not be SEXY enough and that I will NOT want to FUCK her.

>I will NOT want to FUCK her.

Good, more krootussy for me.

Why is everyone assuming the Kroot girl will be a romance at all

that I will NOT want to FUCK her

You wouldn't be able to fuck her regardless

Cassia statue was the RT collectors bonus.
Kroot statue is the DH collectors bonus.

because she got a statue and while it's weird as fuck it's not technically impossible since the whole deal with kroot is they gather impressive genes from xenos to bring back and strengthen the tribe (of course, they do this by being ritually cannibalized.....) so she could theoretically be attracted to your inquisitor's power.

There's also some people who believe at least one owlcat dev is a fucking vorefag based off wenduag

Let enemies surrender and let them talk about relevant investigation details

Slaughter the enemies and let Kroot wife eat them so she can tell me about the investigation details through their lives memories

Either way I win

you could use the bill clinton "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!" excuse since kroot don't have vaginas but a handjob and other physical acts are still possible, kroot aren't fags whining about how icky aliens are like yriliet, they could write a """""sharing genetic material""""" fade to black pretty easy

wenduag vore

I dont remember that at all besides the demon patron stuff in her final quest and thats not really vore imo.

at the start of the game doesn't she literally admit to having eaten people?

I dont think Kroot can literally eat memories like that. Space Marines can though so you could ask the rumored Night Lord you get to eat some brains.

Wendog only commits cannibalism once as part of her backstory, the actuall cannibal that spends the entire game killing and fucking is Camellia

Kroot shamans are more powerful eaters and seems this companion according to the text given on site is one of those and can partially absorb memories from flesh

I mean that's TWO cannibal girls as love interests in the same game.....not exactly helping the "owlcat has vorefags on staff" accusations

What I'm trying to say is that one only did it once and it was a choice between that or death, the other one does it regularly because she wants to

Wow these companions are so dogshit and boring

baaaaw I don't feel like fucking these companions FUCK YOU OWLCAT

this is a 34 year old

Jesus christ, what warp does to a mf

there has never been an occasion where a reply like this doesn't cause the other person to double down
which makes me think you are samefagging and trying to rile people up through example

So what do we think of spess dorfs being confirmed for Mechanicus 2?

Pretty intrigued. The Leagues of Votan are in desperate need of content and given their themes and lore it seems like a fitting addition to pit them against Admech and Necrons.

I don't get why you think that's the reason the companions are getting a tepid reaction, none of them look very interesting, and that includes their backstories. About the only one who has any charisma at all is the Kroot, and they are obviously not going to be a romance option if you know anything about how Kroot reproduction works in 40K. They don't even have genitals.

Are they the full third faction with a story line? Then it's fucking lame and robs actually good factions.

Aren't actual 40k dwarves all canonically extinct?

not anymore, although they never actually were and fans made up headcanon that they were

she's got hands and a mouth and kroot collect genetic material from different races
"but she doesn't have a pussy!" is barely any barrier

Full Voice Acting

It's will be short cut-down slop, with targeting audience being tiktok consumers.

SLIGHTLY shorter game but with better reactivity and consequences/outcomes

Thats a lie, see above.

A "Necron warlord" is already retarded lore rape like created by Matt Ward

no, they just lost their army for several decades, squats as abhumans never went extinct

Devs said them being such a new faction is a double edged sword. They don't have near as much lore to draw inspiration from like the admech and necrons, but at the same time that leaves them a lot of freedom to fill in the blanks.

The vast majority of their holdings outside the galactic core were wiped out by tyranids. Pretty much the only survivors were small isolated enclaves and mercenaries like the iron heads on Necromunda. The current iteration are the ones that stayed in and colonized the world's close to the galactic core, the are a confederation of various guilds and such that call themselves the Leagues of Votann.

So I'm reading lore and... Callidus assassins can kill primarchs? That's insane, I thought primarchs were demigods but apparently Curze was slain by an assassin

Curze let it happen because he saw a vision where he dies and decided that that will then be his fate and didnt fight back

The simple fact that an assassin was sent to kill a primarch indicates primarchs are much easier to kill than it would seem at first glance

Kurze wanted to be killed to prove a point. Though if she had managed to catch him off guard, and that's a pretty big if, a Callidus phase blade might be one of the few weapons that could do it, seeing as they can shift through different dimensions to cut through armor like it isn't there.

you're significantly downplaying the strength of assassins, they cost hundreds of points to deploy on the tabletop for a reason.
kurze was depressed and basically committing suicide by cop but yes their equipment can absolutely kill basically anything short of a titan. even a knight they can board and assassinate the pilot like a fucking titanfall jockey.
Primarchs can be killed by being shot with a lascannon unprotected, they're not age of sigmar fanfiction walking deities. Alpharius died being beheaded with a chainsword. Dorn died being swarmed and overwhelmed by hundreds of cultists in melee. Angron was captured and permanently lobotomized by regular humans with fancy archaeotech slaving equipment.

Callidus specifically are equipped with reverse-engineered c'tan phase blades that bypass all armor. kurze sandbagging means m'shen could cut his head off like a trophy easily.

Primarchs are theoretically killable with many weapons and troops, yes. Their plot power simply doesn't put them in situations where that could happen. You'll never see a Primarch's spaceship get destroyed with him inside of it and then helplessly floating in space while they line up a nova cannon shot.

Temple assassins are pretty gnarly rape machines in their own right. They're at least as enhanced, if not more so, as a space marine.

they are way more elite than marines, they cost more to field than anything short of custodes HQ units and named characters. A vindicare is literally twice as expensive as a Custodes Terminator.

Eh, Curze was the Primarch of the Night Lords, who are all pathetic losers.

Raldoron attacked with greater ferocity. Skraivok’s arm was numb from deflecting the blows.

He forayed a few attacks, but they put him in more danger, as Raldoron caught and countered every one.

His latest riposte was turned away, and Raldoron’s power blade scraped sparks up the side of his breast-plate.

‘Atramentar!’ Skraivok called, his panic rising. ‘To me!’

If they heard, they could do nothing; they fought the Blood Angels Dreadnought still, their number reduced to three.

‘Night Lords! Help me!’

His power pack scraped on rockcrete. He had his back to the outer crenellations, and could retreat no further. Raldoron faced him. His sword energy field buzzed in the downpour.

‘Listen to you,’ Raldoron said. ‘The masters of fear. You are cowards, like all cruel men.’

‘You are and always were an evil Legion. You took the Emperor’s mission and twisted it. Selfish. Monstrous. Tormentors of the weak,’ snarled Raldoron. ‘If Horus had not turned, I would have gladly led the hunt for your kind myself. I thank you from my heart that you came to my sword and saved me the trouble of looking.’ He shifted the weight of his foot, bringing another cry from Skraivok. ‘Wait!’ the Painted Count said. ‘I give you my surrender. You beat me. I am your prisoner!’ ‘There can be no prisoners in this war,’ said Raldoron.

‘How much mercy have you shown to all those that you harmed? I have as much mercy for you as you had for them. Now get off my wall.’

He shoved hard with his foot, sending Skraivok skidding towards the drop.

Genuinely the best thing about Night Lords is how they always die in an entertaining way like the bitches they are when push comes to shove.

These aren't random assassins, it's an assassin order specifically directed by the Emperor. Which just brings more foresight into the mix.

Callidus phase blades aren't reverse engineered, they're recovered necrodermis fashioned into the universe's most advanced punch dagger. Necrodermis by the way, being the same shit the C'Tan's physical bodies are made of. So the callidus basically stab people with pieces of Cthulhu.

Honestly, I think that people's kneejerk reaction against the Leagues of Votan has been rather premature. The core concept of them as a race and even their aesthetics works pretty nicely at translating dwarves into space (far better imo than the og squats) while they also work as a nice contrast to the Imperium and a tie to the Dark Age of Technology of humanity.

there's a book where assassins from each temple set out to try to kill horus during the heresy. it doesn't work out. curze just wanted to die so he let her kill him. she was later chased down and killed by a regular night lord so take that as you will

well, kind of, all necrons and all necron machines are also made of necrodermis, they're the ones who invented the material and fashioned physical shells for the c'tan to inhabit out of it

This is why voice actors sign multi-year contracts

fandom

Don't do this.

I loved skraivok in the books. What a goofy retard.

she was later chased down and killed by a regular night lord so take that as you will

that's downplaying it, the scene in question also had her killing multiple other night lord in hand to hand combat, punching straight through their armor and throwing them around, she did massive damage to talos before he was able to spit acid in her eyes and she still fought pretty well after that
assassin's physical strength has always been in flux depending on the author, some callidus stories have them about as strong as a regular human basically, some have them being killing machines

praying for callidus gf with polymorphine as unrestricted overpowered as it is in lore and on the tabletop.

callidus successfully infiltrates night lords by stealing a set of power armor and shapeshifting into a marine

successfully infiltrates genestealers by shapeshifting into a literal six armed genestealer and fooling the hivemind

successfully infiltrates orks by shapeshifting into an ork warboss and sowing chaos with conflicting orders

successfully infiltrates a craftworld by shapeshifting into an elf and acting like a haughty bitch

because there's no restriction on their imposter bullshit on tabletop they have a bunch of canon lore feats that are straight up hilarious because GW have to justify how your callidus can sneak into a bunch of fucking necrons or tyranids. Then there's the fucking freaky "definitely somebody's disguised fetish" shit like:

A Callidus Assassin, sent to steal away the firstborn child of the dangerously self-centred Planetary Governor Thygmus van Spracht, disguises herself as the infant's matron-vigilus. By widening her craw with polymorphine and swallowing the princeling whole, she walks past the elite palace guards without so much as a whisper of resistance. She carries the prize in her belly to her masters before regurgitating it whole, mewling but safe. Pict-skull footage is sent to the governor, and he falls back into the Imperial fold within the week.

lexicanum is great but i love the lore fluff on the fandom wiki, lexicanum has way less information about each thing, basically an overview and that's it, but it does have information on just about anything in the universe, whereas fandom is still missing pages on a lot of units

on tabletop assassins have pretty much always been Strength 4 which is the same rating as actual space marines. they're about as enhanced as somebody can possibly be in the setting, the reason they're not used everywhere is that it's so much more investment to train and equip one than even marines (who are the goldilocks zone between easy to mass produce and effective compared to other super soldier options)

most of that lore fluff is literal fanfiction or some asshurt fanboy of a specific faction editorializing shit to jerk off his favorite spacemen

I am casually optimistic.
youtube.com/watch?v=V8RGHUQ2hnE

Based on the trailer the game seems to be more unit focused with tech priests working as just hero units, leading armies of units so I assume that the same setup is for both Necrons and the nusquats, assuming that they are supposed to work as playable factions as well (which to my understanding is the case). I find this to be a nice change of pace from the first game where you typically had no real reason to use the skitarii units etc because your techpriests were so op.
I am also happy to see the Leagues of Votan in get some attention as the faction is very much underdeveloped and underappericiated.

The big issue is that their initial release was a microcosm of literally everything wrong with 9th edition 40k

tiny undercooked range that desperately needs a second wave of actual stuff yet will just get token heroes for years

have every rule that people HATE to play against (renamed armour of contempt, railguns ignoring invulns, with splashing damage)

extremely lethal in an already hyper-lethal edition

of what very little fluff existed much of it stunk of design by committee

To put it another way, they are the only army in any edition to be BANNED IN TOURNEY BEFORE LAUNCH. So bad GW had to panic nerf them before the preorderers even got their boxes.

a lot of people seem to forget how rare imperial assassins are, they spend all non-mission time in their various hidden temples, and only ever appear to carry out a mission, whereupon they immediately return to the temple. and even when they're out, the whole point is to not be seen in the first place (except for eversor but no one ever lives to speak about them). i've seen a lot of people going on about having an imperial assassin ally but it's fucking ludicrous to consider unless their specific assignments align with what the player is currently doing and they're just on the way to complete it

I thought they could not feel fear. from whatever bullshit the space marines go through to become space marines

Yeah, GW's inability to ballance shit really gave people a bad first impression of the LotV. Hopefully they will get some new stuff in the next edition and generally better fleshed out range. I genuinely think that their core concept fits very well into 40k and is a good way of incorporating space dwarves into the setting without just copy pasting dwarves and their aesthetics wholesale into 40k from fantasy, which is basically what the og squats did, and failed terribly by being way too goofy and retarded even within 40k.

The skitarii definitely had their uses in the first game, provided they were leveled up or you had that class of tech priest that could buff them and summon them anywhere on the map for reduced cost. Always funny to just summon a castellan or some kataphrons right on top of some necrons that were giving you trouble.

They're rare but can collaborate with other imperial forces fine, Culexus are the ones with the big super secret lockdown temple since they're all blanks. People want a Callidus girlfriend because Jaq Draco had one and an Inquisitor is one of the few people who could requisition an assassin's service long-term. On tabletop there's literally an Imperial Agents codex where you can have an inquisitor warlord and his assassin buddies as an army now

"Night Lord, tell me about their memories."
"No."

yes, and no. they absolutely feel fear, 100%, but it's not really processed the same way as normal humans. they can feel despair, terror, hopelessness, and dread but the alterations made to them allow them to easily cope with it and not let it affect their actions. the "they will know no fear" is more of a mantra that fear can never hinder their actions or duty. this isn't new btw, this is an ancient bit of lore from before the HH

Yeah, I don't need the fluff. The universe is complex as it is, I don't need random factoids from god knows where to complicate things more.

He can't possibly be, his reckoning of time is fucked. Kunrad served on the ship for at least four decades, and he was around at that time too.

Hope there is no base building with some overly shitty gimmick fights

Navigator

True

Officer

Which are based on momentum 60% of the time for good effectiveness

Arch Millitant

Almost always requires you to have said extra turns by officers. And they're also ones who benefit from momentum the most

Warrior

Yes, but it's mostly just that if you go vanguard next

BD/Exec

Maybe, but isn't like pyro psycher is more effective in any class than BD/Exec?

True, but personally I just found it more optimal to go full hog with the tech priests due to how much shit they can do themselves.

Night Lords are such weak faggots they cry like little girls when facing equivalent force of any kind, they genuinely only do well when fighting unarmed civilians or IG with flashlights, anything stronger than that and their main battle strategy is to run away screaming.

You could always fluff it that whoever your Commander did something important for someone high up in the imperium and is owed a favor, with the assassin being him calling in that favor.

you a tabletop guy then? they're the ones who generally don't give a shit about the actual game they play beyond numbers and dice

Someone at GW is into some freaky shit

Stop talking shit about my batboys or I will start crying...

dark eldar are literally like this and have been for 20,000 years but they don't get this kind of bitching

you write about the nightlords like they raided your village while you were away

Dark eldar have the excuse that literally their entire culture is built around raiding and not standing and fighting.

dark eldar don't cry when they lose since they all know turnabout is fair play and can feed off even their own side's pain

We are getting a night lord companion, you can cry about it if you wish

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Momentum is a serious problem but the thing that really does break the game is the Officer, in fact one of the main reasons the Momentum issue is so big is specifically because of Officers Momentum ability being so busted, imagine if every Momentum ability was Operative level, it would become a non issue. Officers fundamentally break the game, Owlcat designed all the encounters so that you can win without an Officer, which means that if you do have one everything becomes ridiculously easy as enemies that are designed for a 50 BS Argenta with 1-2 shots a turn are suddenly facing an Argenta with 80-90 BS with 8-9 shots a round. It's ridiculous that Owlcat actually let the Officer class as is.

Nah, never played the tabletop and probably never will.
I just don't need stuff that isn't properly credited to Black Library when that's already a can of worms in itself.

some of that is really retarded, since she shouldn't be able to fool them at a psychic level

reads last sentence

what in tarnation

getting an NL lackey is great because you can order him to do all the boring gruntwork and imagine his internal seething

They did foce 'no character gets more than one free turn till one round passes- and they did nerf seize the initiative.
Plus most flat damage bonuses they could give as themselves or MT.
Still not enough cause officer is still essentially copying the most broken character in the party and making them both better essentially

some of that is really retarded, since she shouldn't be able to fool them at a psychic level

They undergo mental training and can use psi-blockers and shit, in the case of genestealers she posed as a remnant of a separate hive splinter that had been wiped out by imperium forces so she wasn't part of their same broodmind so she fooled the magus that way

lexicanum doesn't even mention a quarter of the stuff in official codexes. what part of this universe do you like if it's not anything in it really? you're in it for the lore but only a little bit? wierdo

I just think they're a joke, they genuinely feel like heels from WWE or something, they strut and prance about how evil and sinister and malevolent they are, then actual military force shows up to oppose them and they job while crying like little girls. Add to this their "2 edgy 4 u" vibe and the bought from a 2 dollar Halloween party store batwings they plaster on all their stuff, and it's impossible not to laugh at them.

NL might work well with the moral system. As in you dont have any moral when you fight him. I dont know though, for a spy thriller sort of story alpha legion would be better, NL would be more suitable for an actual horror game.

ok, what about the eldar one? posed as an exodite/reformed deldar?

Yeah it's obvious we're getting a Night Lord companion what with the Morale system being specifically designed for one. It's still not going to ever get me to take the Night Lords seriously, they're an element in 40K that gives real credence to the people that argue the entire thing is just comedic parody.

successfully infiltrates a craftworld by shapeshifting into an elf and acting like a haughty bitch

Never heard about this, its something by Ian Watson?

the vast majority of eldar are not on the path of the seer and have no significant psychic abilities, most are literally civilian artians and gardeners and shit. if you don't let them read your mind it's not an issue short term

Part of it is I really don't like Fandom, and if there's an alternative I always take it.
Their layouts are dogshit and the autoplay video ads when I'm on mobile are absolute cancer.
Not to mention for other subjects where info is scattered between several different fandom sites because the somebody decided to make a new one when they showed up instead of using the search bar.

autoplay video ads when I'm on mobile are absolute cancer.

this one is just a skill issue, ublock origin is available on firefox mobile, i see no ads anywhere anymore

isn't the whole justification of why there's no genestealers in craftworlds because eldars would psychically sense the infestation and cull it before it became a problem?

Space Marine stealth and infiltration has always seemed hilarious to me. Both for Night Lords and the Alpha Legion. Eight to nine foot tall giants in hulking armor, guns that blast tank shells.

It's basically Talos getting pissed that their chapter just spend their time beating up defenceless planets and avoid fighting anyone who could kick their shit in.

eldar have star trek++++ medical science and are a post-scarcity society where everyone knows everyone, the whole point of genestealers is to infiltrate and start infecting people and rapidly reproducing......which is also literally impossible since CWE don't reproduce without soul stones ready.

there are cases of craftworlds ending up with GSC infection but it's a really dumb and contrived scenario from Gav Thorpe where a craftworld turned to genestealer shit to try and avoid slaanesh with the idea the Shadow in the Warp would protect them from She Who Thirsts and then had a fucking genestealer shove his cock inside their shard of khaine so there's a giant flaming Genestealer Patriarch of Khaine instead of a normal avatar.......thank christ that series was cancelled

But the idea of a battered legion ashamed of themselves and being irrationally angry at the world for it, seeking slaughter to appease their souls, is incredibly kino
Why would anybody not want that

sex with Eldar men

but that's just because the NL (and every chaos legion) are just a bunch of random splintered warbands that refuse to even work with each other, much less anyone else, and they don't even have the favor of any gods to back them up. hit and run is all they're able to do given the resources at their disposal

Anything written by Gav Thorpe (and BL material in general) should be ignored as a general rule.

Not enough cool spells when you play a psyker. Come one, all the cool magic shit in 40k and get like 3 spells

Never liked the Votann aesthetics.
Way too clean and futuristic.
Should've been more futuristic industrial (with heavy emphasis on industrial) or they should've simply took the Necromunda Squats and polished those further.
That and add more ceremonial aesthetics to their leaders and elites.

Siege of Vraks was good as BL material.

Heavy emphasise of industrial is Genestealer Cult aesthetic. Their entire theme is labor union.

Only named characters retain their senses and persona brother

my sides

Night Lords have a terrible record overall

Dark Angels shit all over them in Thramas

embarrass themselves in Pharos

more embarrassment in the palace walls

their primarch is more concerned in being """right""" than anything else and is a kooky goofball during the entire series

Their terror tactics gimmick don't really work on other space marines who can't be intimidated like regular humans do.
Now, they make for very entertaining antagonists like emperor's children do.

not a single waifu in revealed dh companions

nothing but a disgusting negress and a sausagefest

Trash

no waifu no buyfu

There is morale damage on top of normal damage, so you can beat enemies by making them surrender.

That's part of the Dark Heresy TTRPG so I welcome it in the adaptation

Game takes place in one planet and its biomes

Good choice I like smaller but more detailed game worlds, also all Owlcat games are at their worst when the game pushes you into some alternate dimension for 10+ hours

There is no correct answer in the investigations, there are just consequences based on who you declare guilty, including seemingly unrelated innocents.

Based as fuck

Morality is based on Traditionalist-radical spectrum

Only correct way to handle an Inquisitor

No momentum system on this game

That's fine

SLIGHTLY shorter game but with better reactivity and consequences/outcomes

Sounds good to me same as above with the single planet choice

Full Voice Acting

That sounds like it could backfire massively. I don't mind reading through a view paragraphs of text when playing CRPGs at all, I really would be fine with voice acting being limited to important scenes and combat noises

Nothing wrong with sausage fests. People who complain about this shit are fags because they feel insecure around men.

Alpha Legion I give a pass because the only mentions of actual infiltration in the fluff are against other Space Marine legions, where it at least makes sense. Everything else about their MO is just misdirection, sabotage, diplomatic deception, and other stuff that isn't actively inhibited by being nine-foot-tall gigachads.

That's part of the Dark Heresy TTRPG so I welcome it in the adaptation

It's not. There is no momentum in the RT TTRPG either. Both are an owlcat thing.

it has to do more on a planetary scale, stealth as in just not being seen by the enemy, not really crawling through vents or crouching behind a couch. not to mention everything is so fucking huge in 40k, when you're sneaking around a hive city an extra 2 feet of height isn't a huge issue, especially when plenty of massive servitors, mutants, and ogryn exist as well

it took me an embarassing amount of time to figure out the voice was saying HIGH MOMENTUM

HIGH MOMENTUM
LOW MOMENTUM

It's not.

They didn't call it morale but you did willpower tests for fear and shit. That's basically a morale system by another name

ARMAMETUM

I also thought that

Full VA is going to suck. At the least it'll balloon the game size.

They're giant dudes in tin cans wielding fuck huge weapons that make shit tons of noise. Their military tactics being "stealth based" is a joke played on the Night Lords by the Emperor since he thought Curze was a cringelord.

They can be working on AoS

Don't worry, Owlcat will exclusively hire crack addicts and junkies to cheapen the cost.

sure, i'll bet that's how the NL, RG, and AL all carry out extensive and successful stealth operations, because it doesn't work somehow

good news for Sena Bryer

Ulfar's voice actor is now a tranny. Wouldn't be surprised if they brought him on too.

successful stealth operations

Yeah sure man, totally. Absolutely believable and in no way a complete joke that makes one question the veracity of the setting itself. Yep. They're like, Marine NINJAS, or something. So cool.

You make WP tests for fear checks then roll on the shock table if you fail. It doesn't happen in combat unless a daemon or other creature with fear factor pops up.

Night Lords Omnibus is good. Heard good things about Eisenhorn, but personally I wasn't such a huge fan. Caiaphas Cain is fun.

ciaphas cain is always a good start

start with the NL books if you like edgy stuff, nothing wrong with that.

Start with the Eisenhorn trilogy. It's super entry level stuff. Do NOT start with the Horus heresy, there's a billion books and most are meh at best.

I read the Malus Darkblade books for Fantasy, cringe edgekino, loved them

if you liked Malus you'll probably enjoy Path of the Dark Eldar

my personal rec is the fabius bile trilogy