Give me your honest thoughts on speedruning without bringing up the speedrunners themselves...

learning about skips and strategies is fun, and watching the constant race against the clock can be fun
the only one I regularly watch is 120 star mario 64. don't have interest in speedrunning myself

Idk I think it's retarded, I like to immerse myself into the game world and not treat it like a checklist chore or sports event. Thus plus trannies and autists

I hate watching them because it's an even bigger waste of time than shitposting on Anon Babble and that's a high bar

They often aren't playing the same game though, just running on preset paths, avoiding all danger

Speedrunning is the most degenerate act that man has ever come up with

If you didn't watch the 2012-2013 GDQs live then you genuinely missed out. Speedrunning peaked then and it's been downhill ever since.

without talking about speedrunners, how do you feel about watching speedrunners

anon are you a fucking retard faggot autistic nigger?

Completion time is one measure type that can be optimized in almost any game. Games with scoring systems have their autistic optimizers too.

It's autism.

I dont get the appeal when its anything other than a platformer

A speedrun is mildly interesting to watch when it’s short. I can’t fathom how retards (who often congragate here) can watch speedruns of games that are HOURS long. But aside from the novelty of a videogame being completed in a short time, it’s not very interesting. The people who take part in them don’t care about the games. There’s no intellectual discussion.

There are good speedrunners that have genuine entertainment value. They just don't get invited to the events so perception is a bit skewed.

It's the same as chess. Its technically cool to do it in a more amateurish manner, but once you go into meta ways of exploiting glitches to beat a segment 0.00001 ms faster, you should realize how fucking dumb that is.

It becomes pretty pointless quickly, because the goalpost gets shifted a lot or can get quickly.
In regular sports the rules rarely change if only by a small margin.
In speedrunning you could toil a way at a record for an eternity, achieving a near perfect humanly possible TAS adjacent time and someone just find a new exploit that shaves 5 % off the run, so now every fucking first timer surpasses your time.

Doing something irl has bound you to at least some unshakable rules of reality and physics.
It becomes meaningless fast if you can circumvent reality to a near breaking degree, leading to splintering board with "No majorly Major Glitches without that one but maybe you can use that other one" categories.

It is entertaining to watch them for a year or two but it becomes boring afterwards.
Literally the only good thing about it was ~2014 the community and culture surrounding it itself. Free chat posts during GDQ and the threads. But that fell off as well with the trannyfication of the community and the endless censoring and worsesing of the web in general.

Sure but scoring high scores actually requires mechanical knowledge of the game and playing the game as intended not breaking the game.

i liked watching tas speedruns because they were a visual spectacle but nowadays speedruns are lolcow central, too much autistic drama and lgbbq shit that gets in the way

You are the most qualified person to have an opinion about them, as far as I see it.

long vs short categories have some interesting differences when it comes to margin for error and level of optimization
if you fuck up in a 2 hour speedrun, it means you can make up the lost time later. fucking up in a 15 minute speedrun can just means resetting at the highest levels of plays. I find short categories more impressive but the long ones are more engaging to watch live

i just really dont fucking get the intrigue. "wow he did a frame-påerfect splingo jump off the bingus rafter in Blango64 and it instantly took him to the last level!!!! whoaaaaaoo!!!!" this shit is more like something i'd read and just go "huh" and move on a forget about it after 10 seconds. its also a completely and absolutely worthless obsession unlike developing a skill in something that actually matters

Unintended mechanics are still mechanics. Usually speedrunners are very adept at both intented and unintended mechanics, which is why there's glitchless categories and whatever.

Full of tranny-loving autists and trannies

I am just surprised at how many speedrunners become trannies (or vice versa).

how are you even remotely surprised at this fact

Only glitchless speedruns count as skill, the glitched speed runs are just oh look I can run at this wall and spam this move to get through fast. You didn't play the same game.

high scores also use exploits. see 23 shots UFO

There are other autistic hobbies like collecting stamps that presumably have less trannies.
Granted, as a speedrunner you are autistic and spend most of your time on the internet but still

Unironically the fault of all the (unfermented) onions consumption.

You didn't play the same game.

The glitches are available to everyone, and they're usually mechanically hard to execute as well. I don't really see why you'd discredit glitches for other reasons than "respect the game devs vision" integrity.

You skip to the game's boss and claim you cleared the game when you didn't even beat most of the bosses that a normal person would go through.

You didn't beat the game.

there is a distinct shift in the style of the hobby between the "run" era and the "strat" era. For decades leading into about 2010, give or take a few years depending on the popularity of the game, strats and inputs were not widely labbed, not widely shared, and the ability to reliably perform certain actions or tricks was considered to be related to the overall game skill of the runner rather than an individual measurement of that strat. After this point, individual categories became boiled down to routes and strats with planned memorized inputs, creativity and improvisation in runs has widely diminished, and top runners seek to become optimized at specific routes, with very little respect given for the concept of generalized gameskill.

They beat a self-imposed objective of reach credits, fast. You could consider it a self-made game that uses another one as a platform. Honestly I don't get why the semantics matter here.

Watch glitchless speedruns, then. Categories exist specifically so that polarizing differences dont overtake each other.

Yeah and most autists are only focused on speedruns that are glitched. There's less glitched runs than glitchless runs.

You should blame developers for making glitchy games.

Kys troon

nah I'm blaming them for not patching things up.

If doesn't involve some sort of TAS and isn't a pet project of computer science students, it's a waste of lifetime and effort. Speedtrooners could learn to speak languages, play musical instruments or develop their own games instead.

I used to like watching them but not so much anymore. As for actually doing runs, it can be a lot of fun running your favourite games at a casual level. The dudes who no-life and go insane doing it are terrible.

i like speedruns that require precision gameplay and execution, not so much a fan of the ones that glitch the game out or play in ways the devs didnt intend

speedrunning is fine as a concept. i've watched some streamers doing speed runs in the past. streamers i like who just happen to be speedrunning games i like.

i wouldnt watch or attempt a speedrun myself. i dont think its that engaging as a concept. its not how i enjoy playing games and its not how i would necessarily prefer to watch someone else play

as for the "scene" or movement or whatever. GDQ became the defacto face of the hobby/community and then it became a convention or festival for troons and other perverts. forever tarnishing the hobby and destroying any hope of popularity. they dont even pretend to take the runs seriously anymore, and the people involved are freaks and clowns

Speedruns that use glitches to skip most of the game ARE interesting, but only one time and in a "Wow, I didn't know the game was that buggy" way. Seeing someone directly overcome the challenges in a game using skill is much better to watch.

I'm gonna say the n-word now
NIGGER
There, I did it.

I stopped watching them.
Most of them are drama-whores, or mentally ill and insufferable in some capacity.

Non-WR speedrunning (doing it yourself) is pretty fun though.

I'm fine with people playing games however they like. It's not a grand achievement to beat a video game quick.

this is an interesting concept. i've often marveled at just how shit "the happy hob" is at the souls games once his route is broken or interrupted. or on the rare occasion that he plays casually. he's a just about average player and yet he has beaten all of those games countless times without getting hit once

Depending on how much you care about pure speed, what you're looking for is a Superplay.

/thread
Also it's been like a decade, nobody cares anymore

Anon Babble thinks marathon speedrunning is the focal point of the hobby when the real "meat" comes from doing small-scale tournaments with other runners in order to improve.

Like if you compare GDQ races to what they do in any given week over on the official SpeedGaming channel, it's night and day. Same thing as comparing EVO to weekly locals, you're actually missing out if you only engage with the big stuff.

Speedrunning itself is a fine hobby but seriously needs new guard. The old guard are either already retired or trying to GTFO and most younger speedrunners have little interest in legacy games besides a few givens. That's gonna be a serious problem in a few years.

It turns a historically leisurely activity into one of competition. Go play against others if you want to test your skills.

What's chess or go if not leisurely competitive activity?