About to replay Binding Blade, who should Roy marry?
About to replay Binding Blade, who should Roy marry?
Not Sacred Stones related... FAIL!
Sue
Sue.
Sacae is easy anyway.
Cecilia as always
Why Sophia of course.
The secret option only available in the remake coming out in 2028
FE6 getting a remake before FE4
You know, I'd believe it.
I'd prefer it
His cousin Ririna
Me.
Anon Babble would go insane over a remake. Just imagine the NTR jokes
Holy based
Cutesythea
Larum
Milf route with cecilia
Lewd the Lilina
FE6 would benefit more from a remake than FE4, but I'm not sure if they'd take the steps needed to do it.
Shanna
Defeat Idunn with normal weapon: She dies
Defeat Idunn with Binding Blade: She lives and Fae tries to unfuck her mind
Defeat Idunn with your dick: Marry her
I never thought much of iduun sex wise...till feh releases this.
Too much woman for that red headed midget
Why are dwagons more sex then normal humans?
Why do we want to breed a different species so much?
Off to a terrible start
She's like the ultimate "I can fix her" girl in classic FE
Man Matthew was so cool in hindsight. Secretly a spy instead of being a dick thief. Randomly takes a one chapter break which they don't really do every again to subterfuge in the background. Has a whole side plot. Gets to bang Serra.
Because they are young forever.
They are bored and like raising kids as a hobby.
Serra is for Erk.
Is Florina without Lyn mode actually any good, or is she just just a meme that ltcfags prop up?
Is Florina without Lyn mode actually any good
yes
She's prime rape bait, like all Pegasus riders.
Next time you play FE6 Try using the patch that removes hard mode bonuses from player units. The unit balance and difficulty feel better this way.
She is your earliest flier and statboosters amd a lucky level makes her decent as long as you dont equip her a javelin.
Till you promote her where she then becones a decent combat unit.
Furthermire you can use her flying shit to do many things others cant.
Most anons here are bad at fe in general so advice here is a bad idea.
Sophia
no
she was mindbroken and turned into a breeding sow
Dude just dump exp, boosters and don't equip the FE7 trademark weapon and she'll be good
Sounds like a scrimblo to me
All I want from an FE6 remake is for the map where Roy has to kill 6 Warriors and 97 unpromoted, 6-skill, Steel Axe wielding Axe Fighters in a row to remain untouched.
You're a scrimblo
Fanmod
Not the OG experience so its wirth nithing to learn.
You could just not use the hard mode bonused units
Not really, but she's a good taxi and often worth a slot anyways. If you want a more competent combat flier use Fiora and Heath when he joins.
I always give Florina a few levels early to see if she's blessed (she wants at least a few points of HP, STR, SPD and DEF), because she CAN still be good without Lyn mode, but on average Fiora is better.
Killer javelins are so scary, wtf?
youtube.com
Equipping a javemin till she gets a few levels makes her le bad
Lmao she can still do flying duty while no one else can and a few leveks later she starts being a good javelin user to.
Marriage with Marianne!
Lilina
fe6 is the best gba fe game imo
bot above
LT Engine or FEBuilder
Basically this. I toss her a few levels, and if they're good, I'll keep using her. Otherwise I just swap her for Fiora.
florina is only good because she recruits fiora
Florina has like 3 and a half maps to get good stats before Fiora joins and it's usually not enough
She needs a point of speed to just reach Bartre's base with a javelin equipped. That's beyond atrocious, and it doesn't help either that even the Iron Lance cuts her already mediocre 9 base speed to a bad 5 base speed.
If you didn't play this you didn't beat the game
anons talking about florina's combat is suffering from bad telephone, they just see florina in A and assume its due to her combat kekw
Nah that will be the avatar
A character that dates back from the Scouring and through dreamlike connections with Idunn they plea Roy to save her and then you get a special ending if you dont have an S Support.
Anons will spend a thread screaming at the top of their lungs that Eliwood is a secret god but a javelin on a flier is just too far
She has almost identical averages with Fiora. I get that she has crap bases and Fiora is marginally RNG proof, but it's never sat right with me how anons inflate the differences between the two. Realistically a stat-boosted Flo will be successful.
No neither of them are amazing at combat but Fiora is more competent on average. Heath is the real combat flier.
Florina can be better than Fiora if she gets good levels early, but if she gets average or bad levels she's just a squishy taxi.
People here will insist that flier utility is a meme and then cheat during relays
presented without comment
Because there's no intelligent comment to make, moron
I wonder how many people cheated with infinite movement during the relays. I know 1/2 people got caught, so probably like 20 people did it because it's really hard to provably cheat with infinite movement
I know 1/2 people got caught
Link it because I don't ever remember this happening
me when taking off my pants and bending over
the sacae map that is in engage and maybe that screenshot loaded guy
In my mind, it was real.
the sacae map
So the guy who played without any screenshots provably hacked? Kys retard
B-but she flies! That's useful, right?
Map covered with defensive terrain and ballistae, benefiting infantry and screwing fliers
Indoors map with archer spam, with Eliwood Mode even advising to not deploy Florina
Axe pirate spam, with actually threatening units if you are brave enough to take the unintended path
Pirate ship, she would actually be decent there if she had any bulk or spd (HP, def or res)
Fiora joins
Oh...
no, cheater, that guy who took a picture of one of his units greyed out in one spot then took a picture of his unit greyed out in a different spot in the same turn
Problem is, I never use by boosters on Florina because I just feed them all to Marcus in a speedrun. If Marcus is banned or whatever then maybe I'd give them to her instead.
I'm happy to see so many active FE threads on Anon Babble
Oh, the one who got Alan killed? He literally proved his moves made sense when someone claimed that. You're just lying.
Oh, the one who got Alan killed? He literally proved his moves made sense when someone claimed that.
Someone's awfully defensive. He didn't "prove" anything because, again, there's no video and infinite movement can easily be lied about when he initially passed off the screenshot as the same turn then recanted later (as per usual for liars)
iron man chads keeps FE games alive instead of shallow shipping fujos and wish fulfillment, rpg grindan shitters
Competent Nyna and the real Heroine of the game, even if she wasn't playable for some stupid reason.
Someone's awfully defensive
Because I was in the thread when it happened and I watched it transpire. You have zero evidence he cheated, and now you're asking for proof he *didn't* cheat which is retarded. The screenshots were all consistent.
Equips heavs as fuck weapon for her.
Gets fultered cause she isnt an unga bunga end turn unit
Fliers are top tier but your migga brain cant co.prehend more complex strategies then the end turn button.
They're just going to ruin FE4 so I hope they skip it.
let him go, I'll make sure to record any and all chapters I play next time though. in hindsight recording all the times lilina dodged the status staves would have been kino
does he have enough weapon uses for that many battles?
The screenshots were all consistent.
They weren't and so was everyone because the same 10 people post in these threads.
Cant check balistar ranges.
Cant check enemy ranges.
Canto isnt a word for him
We already know youre a terrible fe player.
No need to scream it out loud.
Javelin
Heavy as fuck
Pegasluts should be fast enough to not get doubled for just equipping common 1-2 range. I'd get it if it was a Steel Lance, but come on now. Even the Iron Lance brings her to Dorcas level speed, anon.
Show the inconsistency then. It's all in the archive so prove it.
can 100 roys beat base level sigurd??
11 weight is a heavy as fuck weapon, yes
1-2 range weapons in fe are baalnced around being heavy you stupid fuck.
Youre malding because they cant wield the heaviest common weaponry.
Well yeah obviously. Even if the Roys are at base they have a rapier for effective damage.
can you solo sacred stones with SETH????
Just keep her away of every single enemy and have her avoid the massive no-go zones on the map for her
I think I'll just throw her on the bench and use Fiora instead. She has real stats and flying actually matters when you get her.
All of the fighting on her joining map is done outside of the ballista's range anyways. They're basically never an issue in this game
What Roy and all the shitters need are better bases. It's notable how insane the Hard mode bonuses are because they show how outclassed the units are when compared to the enemies. Having your physical units be one rounded by generics is a miserable experience.
i'm not gonna did through months old posts for you because it was already done in these threads and you should know that because you pride yourself on being here!
Give Thany, Tate, Fiora, Farina, Vanessa or Tana javs
They're still fine
Give Florina a javelin
She gets weighed down to 2 spd and gets OR by a mage of all things
Yeah, the javelin is totally the problem there. Right.
because it was already done
In your mind?
Thany
12 base speed and 4 con. She has 5 effective speed with the javelin so the prologue axe fighters can double her with it equipped.
im pretty sure shana faces instant death if you equip her with the javelin and enemy phase with it for atleast the first 7 chapters
i guess you weren't here
To bad that fiora isnt around for like 4 maps she isnt.
Also
Only wants to use this super usefull class once instead of having 2 helpfull fliers
Retard...
Just have her not fight on most of the map, have her be defensive so that she doesn't get killed on the counter and hope the enemy isn't on terrain so that she can deal more than 1 damage if she doesn't miss, bro
I'll just save myself the trouble and use an actually competent unit who doesn't get screwed by flight of all things.
People just make stuff up to win arguments. It's nuts. Why is everyone pooping their pants over the concept of a growth unit when Shitbecca, Lyn, and Erk/Canas/Lucius and are the alternative?
Nigga has all the time in the world
His army is full HP and there is only a single mage left.
Nigga still loses a unit
How bad can a player be?
I think constitution is just a dogshit system
Give Con a (low) growth rate, I fixed GBA FE
fe6 prologue
9 speed axe fighters
is that fast? you'd have to be 4 speed to get doubled...
bld growth is a bit annoying in fe5 because it becomes a negative after a point. your units start to weigh eachother down or are completely unable to be rescued
it would be even worse in gba
Only one fighter can roll 9 AS on her join map, and he has the retard ai (the one closest to the boss who refuses to move unless you get in his face). Meanwhile, Thany isn't getting doubled by anything else, and is doubling the slower soldiers.
Characters are now randomly too heavy for their own good.
This one had Lyn mode benefits, but I just don't see how you can call a unit that gets stats like this bad. This one's not even particularly blessed, this is almost spot-on her averages, in fact, she's actually kinda skill screwed.
So low it doesnt matter
Congrats you have a future as a retarded romhacker.
Lyn mode
Exactly, you never had to deal with her bad part. She's great if you play Lyn mode.
I couldn't remember how high they could roll their speed I think I remember someone showing a screenshot where one had 8 speed, which is admittedly still one point away. The boss can definitely get 9 speed and double her.
nigga the boss of her map is an ARMOR KNIGHT
WHY DO I TALK TO YOU RETARDS
WHAT THE FUCK IS AN FE6 PROLOGUE
Florina joins on Chapter 16 as a Level 3/0 Pegasus Knight. She has 16, 17, 17x, 18 and half of 19 (since Fiora joins part way through the map) to gain 4 levels to match her sister's base level. Are you so bad that you can't get one level per chapter?
Explain the mechanical logic of making silver weapons heavier than steel weapons.
I'm talking about the first chapter of the game. Before she joins.
fuck me i meant steel heavier than silver
makes the rare playthrough more fun while being negligible so that metafags can ignore it in their rankings
what's wrong with this?
Hmm, surely this unit won't get OR by a mage. Pegasluts counter these fags effortlessly, especially with javs
Wtf, i got doubled and died?
I can totally see how the anon who lost her last time in the relay made that mistake. I avoid that by simply not trusting Florina to do anything competently, replacing her with Fiora the first chance I get.
This is why talking about FE on Anon Babble is a waste of time, you retards don't even know the fucking series you supposedly "play"
I can't do math
I'm not exactly surprised
That boss holds a Steel Axe and has effectively 4 AS. Did you even play FE6?
I play fire emblem for arena grinding and cute anime girls :)
Yes, you said that like 5 times already
Shoo
bros ogier bodies the chapter 1 boss in FE6
cute anime girls
truth
You're getting hung up on these stupid details when the point is that guy was wrong when he claimed FE6 enemies weren't fast enough to double Shanna with a javelin equipped.
but I just don't see how you can call a unit that gets stats like this bad
oh boy...
posting irrelevant lategame stats where everyone gets good, even the worst units
skipped/fixed the worst part about Florina by playing Lyn mode
Yeah no shit she's really fucking good.
Now post what the average Florina on no Lyn mode HHM chapter 18 looks like. Because that's where she directly compares to Fiora.
Dorcas
Dorcas for whatever reason actually has a respectable speed base for his join time, its just that he's cursed to be a Warrior.
Fiora/Farina lose 6 AS from a Javelin. Fiora for example goes from 13 AS to 7 which is what Eliwood has at base. You know, the same bases that people in these very threads were shitting on him for.
I do math, which is why I don't use Florina
Hmm, she loses that battle
She also loses that other one
Oh, she dies if I leave her there
If I equip anythong other than the Slim lance, she just straight up worse than my other units in every department
And so, I came to the conclusion that using her was a waste of time and resources.
I'd rather be able to have my fliers use a Javelin without an 8 AS penalty than worry about rescue chain shit
he has a point
it's sad how often I have to post this
where everyone gets good
Marcus doesn't, because he fucking sucks.
They can't. Just admit that you're wrong, this is beyond embarassing.
This post is really enlightening. You have no idea what makes fliers good in FE
Be retarded
double down
Giving a unit two kills per chapter is scrimblo territory
Source: the Eliwood thread
drop hector on an island
he levels up con
heath can't rescue him anymore
it's so the good weapon is good
Lilina. Reorganize into the First Lycian Kingdom and all that.
Nothing you said changes what I said
I know this is bait but the dumbest part about FE7 Marcus is that he doesn't even have bad growths. Look at FE6 Marcus or the actual Jeigan for example of what actual Jeigan growths are supposed to look like. FE7 Marcus is a steamroller that never falls off.
it's sad how often I have to post this retarded red herring
Indeed.
shanna gets doubled if she holds a javelin if you count the boss of this chapter she's not around for and also ignore the massive AS penalty he suffers from his weapon
is this the most retarded argument made in these threads so far
she literally saves you time and resources you retard
I do, hell Tate, Fiora and Vanessa are my favourite units in the 3 GBA games, plus I also like Thany, Farina and Tana (not counting the wyverns). The difference is that they actually do cool shit with their flying and can kick ass in combat.
Steels are common and inexpensive, silvers are premium. It's supposed to feel special using a silver, but FE weapon balance is notoriously fucked up, so they're never as great as whatever the game's meta D/C rank weapon is. But low weight is part of their "allure."
why do gba oldcucks always debate their babyshit games? even 3H is harder
Asshurt 3h fag above me lol
Fiora's stats are SO much better than Florina's
kys heroestroon
Here you go a random enemy who doubles her on her joining chapter
You can't level up con. You have to either promote or use a body ring.
I like seeing Silver as high quality weapons, while Steel are built as strong but crude.
You destroyed him
Read the reply chain dingus
When they're both at level 7 Fiora has
+1 HP, +1 STR, +1 SKL, +2 SPD, -4 LUK, +2 DEF, +1 RES, +1 CON
On average. That's a BIG fucking deal.
speaking of con growths, you should really play fe7if
I kneel.
KEEEEK OWN THAT FRAUD
How about a random cavalier on ch 4 who doubles her even after she levels speed?
Level 7 Florina (That's 3 kills per map to reach Fiora's base on the same map, on maps that don't favour her)
Still weaker, slower and frailer
Lol. Lmao, even
Does perceval double the chapter 2 boss of fe7
Iron Blade Merc > Javelin Shanna
1 or 2 better in every single stat except LUK
I didn't realize how shit Florina's bases were, what the fuck
I have no stakes in this argument but units should be working together to take down enemies instead of one rounding everyone
One juggernaut mage fed all the boosters is the best way to play
That's, um, not a fighter. I thought she was supposed to get doubled by fighters.
florinakeks... we got owned... someone post a stat rigged LM florina please...
remember when these retards told you that wasn't a thing?
And people pretend blades are bad weapons baka
I use Florina
I use Rebecca
I use Serra
FE7 is so piss easy none of this even matters
Gotchu bro. Here's a fighter on ch 5 who also doubles her after a speed level up
youtube.com
Make way for the best
In an Ironman Fiora does risk the low% crits that Florina doesn't due to those 4 point of LUK, but the enemies with actual crit chance in FE7 are few and far between. It'd be a closer debate in FE6.
Just Nosfertank you fags
FE7 is so piss easy none of this even matters
Don't let the 40 year old GBAutists see this
My 5 con Myrmidon can't use them well so they suck
ch5
Well, is Thany still level 1? Logically, she shouldn't be by that point, I'd say.
critting 6 luck
show me at least 3 enemies with 14 skl or more in the first 3 maps fiora is around for
Yes, Florina has dogshit bases (like a lot of Lyn Mode units for whatever reason) but Fiora's strength lead does evaporate by the time they're likely to promote at 15/0.
Its just that enemies in FE7 are complete ass.
fireemblemwiki.org
I mean are you really afraid of shitters like the absolute highest rolling monk who has 5 Mag and 6 Spd? Its a rat race to the bottom.
Well 10 speed means that she'd need multiple speed level ups before he doesn't double her, so it depends how much experience she's getting. If we use that same logic with Florina then yeah she's not really getting doubled by much after a few levels.
All this tells me is that this debate is pointless.
Still slower, frailer, and barely has the same str
You should compare the stats yourself before you post. That 15/0 comparison isn't helping your case
Anon Babble has lost to fe7 for the upteenth time
I use both fliers because they are cute and you should too.
florina and fiora are both good and both should be used throughout the game
its that simple
NO I MUST PROVE MY SUPERIORITY
I like Farina and I will always give her the afa's drops
Reminder gonzales and Lilina is OTP
Fiora can kill significantly more enemies than Florina can with average stats on both. There is 0 debate about this.
Nigga doesnt even check who he sends
Loser
according to this
fireemblemwiki.org
there are two iron axe fighters that can roll 9 speed
based
oh my gosh is that the ugly berserker NTR ship!?!? fauci be praised!
Eliwood marries Fiora
Hector marries Farina
Lyn and Florina go be lesbians in Sacae
All three Lords and all three pegasus sisters, it makes sense
LTCfags like units with good movement (really though, you're talking about efficiencyfags, not LTCfags, who are a minority). They also like units with good stats, probably more than casual players do, who will usually put up with training an early archer or their shitfu. There's no contradiction here. It's actually casual players that tend to think about units one dimensionally, disregarding positive traits that are not immediately obvious.
That does mean Roy and Lilina becomes incest. Though in Fire Emblem that's more of a boon than a bane.
Florina can bet higher stats before fiora even joins if you knew bow to properly use her.
Which you cant.
that doesnt go against what i said
feed every single kill to Florina
rest of your army sucks
die on the boat of doom
Good move retardo.
Here's two easy examples of enemies that can roll 14+ Skl on her debut map. Yes, I know Uhai is the boss but you wanted examples.
Its fucking FE7 dipshit. Do I need to remind you about the many enemies in the midgame that rape their AS to nothingness because they swapped over to Steels? Like sure, Fiora has higher speed because you know, Florina has really bad bases for some reason but this is also the game where you're fighting unpromoted shitters all the way up to Victory or Death. Its comical.
Metodey has that creep Nancian energy.
Sophia.
die on the boat of doom
i think you are the retard here
Thany needs 2 speed points to reach 7AS with a jav. With her 60% growth, that's 3 levels that she needs to avoid getting doubled by this cherrypicked enemy several chapters later when equipping a jav.
Meanwhile, Florina is at 2 AS with a jav, and gets doubled by common mages on her joining chapter. She also has worse speed growth, starts at a higher level and has to deal with 7-9 spd cavs on the Dread Isle (later than the fighter you cherrypicked in terms of chapters, for the record). To not get doubled by him, she needs to proc 2 speed levels for the slowest ones, and 4 speed levels for the fastest ones. That requires about 5 levels so that she doesn't get doubled by the middle speed cavs, and 7 levels to not get doubled by the high speed cavs with javs equipped.
Florina is just shit, anon.
Is there a unit by that name? I remember there being something carrying a Flux tome and being weighed down by it but I don't think that thing was playable.
no, he's clearly talking about LTCfags. LTC is when you dodge and crit at 1%, that's not "efficient" because the resets cost more expected turns compared to doing a proper fire emblem strategy
LTCfags, who are a minority
LTC is at least ten times as popular as "efficiency". Compare donald dong 151 to ??? (I literally don't even know one)
AIIEEEE! Not the axe fighter who doubles javelin Shanna on her joining chapter!!! I thought Florina was uniquely bad?
no its just a meme like mccarthy from fe8
nooooooooo you dont get it my iwonman weways died on da boat so its hard!
Baded beyond belief
not them but i guess technically she is because she died to mage which is way more unexpected than getting an axe to the head
Lvl 1 Marcus with a jav + pure water clears that map, low diff
More importantly, it's a common ass mage with average speed, not an extremely cherrypicked enemy that has a low chance of appearing at all.
STOP BIG FLIER PROPAGANDA
Pirate Ship is the 2nd hardest map in FE7 Ironman after Battle Before Dawn because
it's early so your units suck
attacked from multiple angles, two different chokepoints that need a strong unit (so Marcus can't do it solo), attacked by both physical and magic, and like 8 fucking fliers coming for your backline you so your turboshitters in the back are in actual danger.
Look at FE7 draft races and see how often the boat is a problem.
Bro? Your guiding ring? Marcus isn't protecting your army on this map
A character died? In Fire Emblem? No fucking way she must suck!
fireemblemwiki.org
Meanwhile, Florina is at 2 AS with a jav, and gets doubled by common mages on her joining chapter
Actually, the Fire Mages have to high roll speed to double Florina. The majority of them have 4/5 AS which makes them too slow. Its only the singular thunder mage who can consistently roll 6+ AS.
Nice try though.
Getting a few levels for stats requires a solo run
Are you so stupid?
Are you retarded?
Yeah, really need to compare apples to apples and find a mage example.
So you do realize you can just not equip the javelin, right? If you want to be retarded and equip the comically heavy weapon for no reason I can just bring up my own examples of Shanna getting stomped by 15+ AS mercs in like chapter 5
what even is the argument about anymore
bro if you feed lasthits to florina for 20 levels and she becomes a 20/1 falco knights she becomes good eventually (still gets oneshot by steel bows
He is in fact talking about nothing, it's complete nonsense, a bogeyman. The reason I say he's talking about efficiencyfags, is because that's who he's actually shadow boxing with, whether he realizes it or not. Almost no one LTCs Fire Emblem; it's a specialized type of challenge run.
Now, of course you wouldn't watch an efficiency playthrough - it's not a challenge run, it's not interesting. Efficiency is more of an "ethos." But for some reason anons think that if you rather moderately state "actually the Jagen is good and you should use him a lot," that means you're 3 seconds away from hopping on a bad dragon dildo with "FE6 Marcus" etched on it while crunching some turns.
promote oswin = you win
autism to autism battle of wills
no one will concede
they'll just pick a new topic after deflecting
Actually, it's a high roll
Speed: 5 to 7
That's a common roll, anon. The fact that the weaker Fire mage can also double her is just salt on the wound.
More intrestingly, those cavs are also doubling her no matter what. Turns out Florina is just that slow, and it wasn't cherrypicking at all to point out that she has massive spd and con issues.
Something about Florina
Fuck it let's roll back to Eilwood
bad bait
no one has a single rebuttal to this
cry more faggot
fire emblem
Hit a nerve?
>no one has a single rebuttal to this
he didn't post stats just gave his subjective feelings about the map
actually I instapromote florina so she can use the steel blade :)
dude pent joins in like 2 chapters it's fine
only 2 pegasus knights come for your backline in which hector can deal with
marcus and oswin and lowen are strong enough to choke points
B-but the fastest enemies on the map double her!
Not the common enemies, which is the point. Your cherrypicking reeks of desperation.
D-don't equip the javelin
I'd rather be able to EP most enemies with it instead of none, thank you very much.
use first Knight's Crest on fucking Oswin
he still gets buttfucked by the Shamans without the Pure Water, which you don't even have one until you kill the merc on this map (unless you played Lyn mode which invalidates the whole point of this)
nice one dumbfuck
The first mage in FE6 can roll 11 speed, meaning Shanna would need 3 speed level ups before they aren't guaranteed to double her with a javelin equipped
You still want more staff users and to get a promoted Priscilla even with Pent.
he still gets buttfucked by the Shamans without the Pure Water
just dont use oswin against the shamans then ???
Oswin doesn't have horrible res, actually. He can tank mages better than most units and can often oneshot them with a Steel Lance, making him one of the better units to fight them strangely enough.
I just checked this too, lel. He only needs to roll 9 MAG to ORKO her base HP/RES with a double as well.
i feel like when you start pulling up random enemy stats from the wiki you are no longer actually discussing real game scenarios and are just spreadsheetfagging
all this to say that Ivy is the best unit in engage
Nooo dont come with actual fact
Lmao get fact checked
That's nice. What chapter is he on, again? Chapter 5? Is Thany still at base by that point?
At a certain point no matter what it stops becoming about actual in game what if cases and a desire to prove the other person wrong and a faggot, even if you have to screenshot wiki stats to do it.
wrong, ivy is midtier
has it ever really been a problem even in drafts? One guy got Lyn killed turn one after he hit end turn without moving a single unit but when else was it a problem?
negated by reason
Wrong.
He is describing LTC playthroughs perfectly. I know that because I do LTC playthroughs.
Meanwhile, his post does not in any way mention or even relate to efficiency playthroughs. Those are a far more interesting type of challenge run because you have to make plans for when things don't go perfectly and you have to weigh those plans against eachother. It's an optimization of fire emblem, rather than LTC which is a totally different game with different rules.
negation fallacy
The anon who posted Florina getting one-rounded as proof that she sucks started it. I'm just showing that his logic is retarded because Shanna is obviously great and getting doubled while equipping something heavy for no reason is just expected for pegasus knights.
Your cherrypicking
Actually every enemy on the map has the potential to one round her even with multiple speed levels. Again, javelin speed is a stupid metric
She has the best weappn type in one of the best classes in the game which only she and hortensia has.
And out of hortensia she is the inly one viable for combat.
Lmao get fact checked
I know that because I do LTC playthroughs.
what's your turn count, big bro?
Your cherrypicking
meant for
fallacy fallacy
Just use the cute girls like God intended you fucking autists Jesus
In the grim darkness of /vfeg/, there is only autism. There is no peace among the threads, only an eternity of accusations and deflection, and the laughter of bemused anons.
This has been going on for what, four threads now? I'm actually impressed.
Narrative destroyed.
Concession accepted
best weappn type
wrong
best classes
wrong
only she and hortensia has
right
inly one viable for combat
wrong
try again
you aren't even arguing with the guy who posted that cause that was me bro
I don't even care that much about her getting bodied by some mage in her join map I just thought it was funny
I literally took that pic to clown on some guy for not doing basic math and getting Florina killed in a relay
Ivy is my wife actually
Florina has 18 HP and 5 Res. The Fire Mages would have to get 12 Mt to ORKO her with a Javelin while doubling. You'd have to win the the fucking lottery for that to even be remotely possible.
You can just I don't know, equip a Slim or Iron Lance, take a lesser penalty and none of this would ever happen. Hell, the cavaliers entirely use 1-1 weapons in Chapter 16, so if you're using a javelin then why the fuck are you putting her in range to take counters? Its not like Fiora is known for her stellar bulk
He's strawmanning, you larping fag
I've done LTC too and no one seriously believes a flier with no stats is better than a god tier infantry unit, unless the infantry unit just has no availability or some other severe problem.
The person he is attacking does not exist. It's sort of just a concoction of stereotypes and misinfo.
florina has died in 10/10 relay runs
in one of them she did not get deployed
N. T. A.
Yes. The Mangs draft races usually see a reset or two on average on the boat. Which is a lot for a piss easy game like FE7, aside from Battle Before Dawn which is lol lmao.
This is because Anon Babble can't help but put pegs in range of archers though
She got killed by a mage last time
wrong
true*
wrong
right*
right
veritably
wrong
horty can only kill armors reliably on maddening
Eh, from what i remember Hortensia has generally better stats than Ivy, she's just limited by B rank tomes.
but this entire argument about Florina stems from her dying to a mage on her returning chapter
It's an optimization of fire emblem
I remember the old LParchive run where the guy played FE6/7 exclusively through the lens of maxing the ranks. It was funny seeing somebody screaming about Marcus stealing EXP post GameFAQs and visibly suffering due to being forced to power level like 3/4 of FE6 cast.
Thinks his garbage headcanon meta is worth anything.
in Mangs draft races you have to bench Marcus after chapter 15
if you didn't draft Oswin or Lowen you're in for a really bad time
Well no wonder the boat sucks for them
I got confused and was thinking about the relays. But I'd say that if Anon Babble can beat the map multiple times, once with no healers and once while streaming it while only ever losing once (to a troll) then the map can't be all that hard.
Uses mangs as a source for how difficult something is
Pfahahahahaha
beating Pirate Ship without Marcus, Oswin or Lowen
Yeah ok if you kneecap yourself like that it's a hard map
its worth a lot since you keep replying
true*
false
right*
wrong
veritably
agreed
horty can only kill armors reliably on maddening
wrong
what happened with last relay?? did you guys kill the fire dragon, all i remember is some fag grinding raven in the arena and it made me lose all the interest
Well I assume that it's hard for draft races because like said, you don't access to some of the carries you normally would and haven't gotten half the characters you drafted yet. It's not really a fair comparison.
hortensia is the fast but frail archetype to ivy's strong but slow, but speed is easier to fix and hortensia can't hit ORKOs that ivy can when they get their "bad" stat fixed
also ivy can ORKO fell Nil with Nova while Hortensia cant
Hortensia has generally better stats than Ivy,
Ivy beats her quite handily in HP, Mag, Def and Bld. Hort wins in Skl/Spd/Luck/Res. However, Engage is a game where you can just engrave Byleth and give a unit +30 Hit and +30 Crit Avoid so...
Notnreally.
You just press end turn with hector since the enemy barely scrape him. And soam pure water and vulnenaries against those dark cucks.
Ignores the Thunder mage
He's still here, as a common enemy who commonly kills her. Same for the cavs, you know? Plus, as you said yourself, even the Fire mage can OR her if he gets very lucky.
Thanks for proving that Florina is not nearly strong enough to handle even taking one round of combat with a jav from common enemies due to horrible combat stats including speed, though. I'm very grateful to you.
Mangs usually comes in last or second to last in his own races because he plays with actual competent people like PH.
the game became too hard so they quit
spitefags killed raven intentionally and the runs fizzled
PH is a retard surround by even bigger noobs which is why he looks like an amazing player.
He dtill thinks that oscar is a must ban in fe9 draft races which shows that he is a cocksucker retard like the rest.
the lowest one
Wrong. If your infantry unit is 100% reliable but takes one extra turn, it is objectively inferior in a LTC run to a flier that has a one-in-a-trillion chance of dodging and criticaling everything. In efficiency that would not be the case, because you need to take reliability into account, but that anon specifically stated and described LTC before you jumped in with your retardation.
Fe9 Maniac moxe must be the hardest game then since no one dared touching it.
He dtill thinks that oscar is a must ban in fe9 draft races which shows that he is a cocksucker retard like the rest.
Then show us, faggot
Show us how good are you at the game
bro like just play with vibes bro chill out haha *hits bong* t. kaga
remember that mangs gave florina a higher rating than raven even when mekkah the biggest LTC slurper was telling him she sucked cock without lyn mode
source?
Flora > Farina > Florina
Simple as
B-But le Lyn mode
doesnt' matter, 0 str means shit
If your infantry unit is 100% reliable but takes one extra turn, it is objectively inferior in a LTC run to a flier that has a one-in-a-trillion chance of dodging and criticaling everything.
Again, no one actually believes this. Even the breed of LTCfag who rigs literally everything deep down does not believe in this rigid kind of dichotomy. That's why I say you come across a larper. You're being a mouthpiece for every retarded casual stereotype, while claiming to be some LTCfag. It's weird.
Florina is bad if I play like an absolute retard
I remember when unit discussions required the assumption that players had the bare minimum level of competence.
Thoughts?
youtube.com
>the LTC player grading specifically for LTC in mind said the character that lowers the turn count is better?
you must be a fraud no way!
actual retard
Finn sucks in Thracia because I broke his brave lance and then just kept it equipped so he had 0 speed and died
youtu.be
he was gonna give raven 2/5 and florina 4/5
why is this retard opinion relevant again??
he has 5 speed with a broken lance
>he was gonna give raven 2/5
HAHAHAHAHA What the fuck???
7 years ago
Anon he even admitted he was a retard who knew nothing about FE back then. Like Anon Babble in these threads.
He's better now but usually throws for content, like he pretends he left his Peg Knight in range of the archer by accident.
Grading for LTC is retarded in and of itself. It's entirely fucking artificial, you yourself have pointed this out. Most LTCfags have the humility to acknowledge the one-in-a-trillion odds strat in their imaginary playthrough using LUA scripts and tool assistance does not carry over to any other kind of playthrough in any meaningful sense, and don't actually believe in strong dichotomies. Are you genuinely autistic?
someone show the 500k RN burning picture
yeah at 20/10 Ivy has +10 HP +7 Mag -8 Dex -8 Spd +10 Def -11 Res -20 Lck (jesus Ivy) and +3 Bld. For a flying mage i really only think the +7 Mag is a big advantage, that 8 Dex/Spd and 20 Lck are nothing to sneeze at. And Ivy is bulkier, but is she bulky enough to tank anything with that low speed?
Really though they're both good units, flying sages are never gonna not be good.
Anon, she has the same stats as the awful generic pegasluts on False Friends do. The javelin bringing her down to 2 speed and getting her OR by the majority of enemies on her joining chapter just shows how you can't trust her to do something as simple as have her take 1 round of combat against common weakass FE7 enemies. She's bad, there's no two ways about this.
Florina vs Fiora vs Heath
Meanwhile over on Reddit on their no Lyn Mode community tier list (read its an average of all votes)
Lowen and Sain
good
Why faggots never appreciate the fact that if your unit has no speed, they are useless?
is florina really better than raven??
And Ivy is bulkier, but is she bulky enough to tank anything with that low speed
She doesn't have low speed because she has Lyn. No ring can improve Hortensia to match peak Ivy so she gets relegated to support. Otherwise you'd just roll with both as Lyn!Ivy and Celica!Hortensia or whatever.
Legault that low
Matthew not in high A or low S
If thieves are not rated highly on a FE7 tier list (especially Matthew), you know that it's a dogshit list.
The javelin bringing her down to 2 speed and getting her OR by the majority of enemies on her joining chapter just shows how you can't trust her to do something as simple as have her take 1 round of combat against common weakass FE7 enemies.
Have you considered, I don't know.... not equipping the Javelin because the bulk of the enemies on the map use 1-1 weapons. Ergo, using the Slim or Iron Lance is not a net negative for her enemy phase performance because she's still generally able to counter the majority of the enemies that engage her?
This is what I'm saying when I say that players are expected to have a bare minimum level of competence when playing the game instead of hurr durr just equip javelin and press end turn.
No
Florina gets an easy access to training due to Lyn mode, but she has really awful growth bases
Meanwhile Raven gets enemy bonuses as he is a recruitable character with the gay blonde, and they also increase further more in HHM
Neither are decent in comparison to Harken, who also becomes recruitable as an enemy (hence enemy bonuses) and also has excellent growths for a promoted unit
what makes matthew high A
Avaliabilty
However everyone agrees that the Fell Contract is a dogshit item that has no reasonament to exist as only one exists and both thieves aren't that great for fightning
Hence why people just pick Jaffar and patch it up with lockpicks
Ranking Dancers is stupid.
....
The fact that so much loot in FE7 is tied specifically behind him, including the Silver Card and several promo items. If you include his usefulness in fog and the fact that he technically can be used instead of Legault for the whole game, you can make a case for S tier.
i would argue that mathew is more important than marcus in any run
gets you all the promo items
gets you a bunch of gems and extra funds
gets you the silver card literally doubling your army equipment power
Grading for LTC is retarded in and of itself.
Yes
It's entirely fucking artificial, you yourself have pointed this out.
Yes
Most LTCfags have the humility to acknowledge the one-in-a-trillion odds strat in their imaginary playthrough using LUA scripts and tool assistance does not carry over to any other kind of playthrough in any meaningful sense, and don't actually believe in strong dichotomies.
Yes
AND YET there is an objectively correct route through a LTC run and in this extremely narrowly defined category certain units are better than others.
This is not my video but here's an example of a "LTC" tier list (which is far different from an "efficiency" tier list): youtube.com
The player is completely aware that this has no application to normal fire emblem yet his ratings are true and correct given the circumstances.
Are you genuinely autistic?
I already told you I do LTC runs, fucking retard
Use torchs you retard
Matthew is the most glass canon shit in the game and his only purpouse is to open chests only, and to recruit Guy, probably the strongest unit in the game
In what world is the worst Paladin Isadora good?
Lyn
I mean, yes Ivy + Lyn is an obvious combination, but its Engage. Right as soon as Ivy joins, you can inherit +3 Spd and cook a meal and now she has +5 AS before any rings. Lyn can be on some random unit and Ivy can use the Anna ring and have the same AS as she would with Lyn without speedtaker stacks before Lyn reaches Bond 11+.
At the late game when Lyn is over in some else's hands, Ivy can just use Celica or Alear and she'll be fine, either as a Nova nuke or Alear gives free speed (and other stacking stats) and you just go full retard.
As for Hortensia, actually yes, Celica is the best ring if you want to give her good offense. Seraphim is akin to Bolganone +2 vs Corrupted and if you use the free Mt Crystals, then it reaches like 30 effective mt or some bullshit against almost every endgame enemy. You can basically do it for functionally infinite up time since no endgame map should last longer than 11 turns (5 turns Celica, Favorite Food, 5 turns again)
mekkah says she's good so reddit has to as well.
only on Anon Babble you could find someone saying matthew deserves S rank
what the fuck
Awful list, my tier list is better and more accurate
matthew deserves s rank
Is this the only depiction of (non-Corrin) manaketes with their tails out in their human forms? Or are those just part of their costumes.
Your autism is just too much. All of this stems from your inability to think in shades of grey. Even LTCs exist on a spectrum, from the minimally rigged to the ultra-lotto-rigged, but you're way too fucking autistic to acknowledge this. You believe in objectivity in these sorts of things, when humans are inherently subjective, flawed beings.
she has no fucking HP growths, comes awfully late and doesn't make sense when you probalby have any of the three cavs already promoted and if you want to go like that, Marcus
why
money in fe7 doesnt even matter
Most maps have thiefs so if you dont have matthew then youre just gonna wait till they steal it and kill the thief afterwards till you get legault.
You guys are overrestimating matthews importance.
The world where enemies in FE7 are so assblastingly bad that being the worst Paladin is still more than enough to beat the game. Besides, Kent/Sain are kind of ass without Lyn Mode. Lowen mogs them early on, Marcus exists and when the second crest enters, Isadora can just slot in for no effort if she even gets space (which she doesn't and neither do they)
Mekkah is a joke that parrots Dondon and all the other good players.
She haa better stats then your paladins and it keeps the others even kore levels till they keep up.
People who thinks she sucks never tried her and just suck of mangs cock in his units thought wrong video when the latter is a bad player.
there are so many things that are odd about this tier list but Anon Babble is a lot worse so ill take what i can get
comes awfully late
Are you retarded? Isadora joins on the same fucking map as Heath. If she joins too late then what the hell are we saying about Hawkeye, Geitz, Pent, Louise, Harken, Karel, Vaida, Nino, Jaffar, Karla and Athos?
Go yell at reddit, not me.
Sure I agree with all of that but nerfing the most powerful mage and giving lyn to some backup shitter is dumb. Let them inherit spd +3 instead. Ivy with a forged Bolganone solos entire halves of maps.
Mekkah is way more viable to listen then shitters like mangs and his crew of jobbers.
You still lose whatever doesn't drop, steal only items (notably, the Silver Card and promo items) and you lose the utility he offers through lockpicks and having enhanced vision in fog at a minimum. Those are massive losses.
mekkah might be a snitch and a roach but unlike the rapist he has a brain
Wrong. The goal of LTC is to get the lowest turncounts at all costs. If one LTC takes less turns than another one it is objectively superior.
but what if I rig less? what about reliability?
Doesn't matter in LOWEST TURNCOUNT PLAYTHROUGHS. That's for efficiency.
I just don't listen to ecelebs. They are retards, r*dditors or both.
He only really helps for 2 fog maps before legault and even then.
You can just use a torch.
awfully late coffee plate
all of them fantastic units except nino and karla
whoa you proved my point RETARD
I saw the FE6 one, the FE9 one, and now this one. This one is definitely the worst. I mean seriously? You're gonna put Eliwood and Lyn both at the very bottom, but the unit you NEED to train them to get (Geitz) is high-tier? Stupid.
I was trying to think of any proper examples but no, I don't think so actually.
A torch off another unit is less vision than a torch off Matthew. More importantly, once again, is the loot, since FE7 locks most of it behind Matthew.
how would excelemblem rate florina and raven if he played the gba games????
Otherwise you'd just roll with both as Lyn!Ivy and Celica!Hortensia or whatever
yeah, that's generally what you do. they're both good combat units. although you'd probably just put Micaiah on Hortensia because -1 Mag from Celica isn't a big deal.
still the best FE7 tier list Anon Babble has to offer
Man L'Arachel is the funniest character in the franchise shame she's also the worst healer ever made
He would probably get Raven killed on purpose and use Florina as cannon fodder, let's be real
What do you guys think of the dract list me and my guys did half a year earlier?
Unironically the best FE7 tierlist made
he is unaware
Lyn goes on a covert during the late game because that cheeses multiple maps due to forcing bosses to aggro ahead of time. Ivy doesn't care too much because you can force doubles with her anyway.
Mangs
No one on reddit listens to Mangs
Neither Eliwood nor Lyn are good units, why should they be rated highly because the unit that they recruit happens to be solid filler?
Complete semantics bullshit. Everything is on a spectrum, every matter in this world has nuance. But your autismo brain can't deal with grey, so you shunt LTC off into the black. When in reality you can just do an LTC run with minimal rigging. A lot of times you have to, when a game is new and hasn't been hacked yet. It's still an LTC run. Ok, so it's a bad one, in your mind. But recall this was a discussion about beliefs, not behaviors. I can LTC badly and BELIEVE that a good infantry is better than a bad flier, in general.
That's all that matters. That was the point of contention. Not all this other stupid shit you're bringing up.
I use Micaiah!Hortensia as a clean up killer is she doesn't have anything important to do with staves, but I said Celica!Hortensia because I figured if you were going to run both dark fliers, that you could just stick Micaiah on Chloe or someone for dedicated staffing duty.
Arachel is the best healer since she is on a mount.
3rd guy is based
who wants to take bets on which one has the best draft?
worst healer ever made
Has a horse
pick only one.
samefag
No one listens to mangs tho
His retarded fanbase does and they adap his shitty opinion like clapping seels
why should they be rated highly because the unit that they recruit happens to be solid filler?
You misunderstand. I'm saying Geitz should also be at the bottom
I ran some calcs once using chapter 25 enemies and comparing the performance of Ivy+Lyn vs. Hort+Celica with optimized inherits using IL35 average stats and what I found is that there are some enemies Hort could ORKO instantly that Ivy needed speedtaker stacks first, but there are also enemies Hort can't ORKO that Ivy can with full speedtaker stacks, so it's kinda balanced.
Florina in the trash where she belongs
Lyn goes on a covert during the late game because that cheeses multiple maps due to forcing bosses to aggro ahead of time
That's what I meant instead of backup but I forgot which one it was. I don't think that has any value because if you're going to skip the map you might as well just warp and nuke the boss.
having to draft Lords and Matthew
That's retarded. Lords should always be free because they're forced deploys, and without Matthew you miss out on like half of the fucking promo items in the game.
I also suffer brainrot, just so you know
retard kun...
mad mangs fan
she is worse than lyn ,deal with it
this thread is boring
I just want a Binding Blade + Blazing Blade remake that is one big game.
Sorry meant for
The lords and matthew are free tho.
You can easioy spot a bad player by seeing how terribly they utilize their early game flier.
Everyone in this thread is wrong.
Fiora is SS+ tier because she's my wife and everyone else is below her.
Isadora joins on the same fucking map as Heath
Heath
comes off unpromoted, good bases, good growths, comes also an enemy so he can get HHM bonuses, lance / sword user with flying abilities, promotes into one of the strongest fliers in the game, the only Wyvern Lord until Vaida that comes insanely fucking late
Isadora
prepromoted low level unit with AWFUL base stats specially that dogshit HP stat, gets doubled by anyone in the map that she comes with, and has zero to none virtual utility due to having already multiple cavs around, Marcus, the trio of cavs, Priscilla even
reddit is full of retards that chug CAV emblem because their inability to just train infantry or armors around, they have this dogshit mentality to FUCKING SPEEDRUN EVERYTHING
They are free, anon
post the nono tape pic
Fuck off, Kent
mogs horny thread
Hezs HHM bonuses and still gets mogged by isadora sgat wise.
You have to train this slow shitter first and find a promo item for him.
Yeah fuck no isadora is leagues better.
If you draft Geitz, do you have an obligation to train the lords up?
Joins at 3/0 more a little over halfway into the game (remember FE8 is 21 maps long in the main story)
With D Staves
That makes even less sense because you don't penalize units because of the quality of the unit that you use to recruit them.
And what do you think enables many quick kills with warp and nuke? Even with Micaiah bullshit, its still not enough in many instances.
stellar shit
im horny, but not gook horny
637 doesnt deserve a you
too much wrong shit
I will eat the quickest slop shit over cooking them myself into a fine restaurant food
ok retard
/vfeg/ draft race when
i will mog you idiots anytime
puts marcus in enemy range with 4 javelins
yeah im really good at this game
Yeah those retards would suck off Fiona if IS hadn't poisoned that pill as thoroughly as humanly possible
Even with Micaiah bullshit, its still not enough in many instances.
You can warp your entire team into the final section of 25 in one turn, so I doubt that. You also don't need to warp your entire team, just byleth+dancer+best nukes
That makes even less sense because you don't penalize units because of the quality of the unit that you use to recruit them.
You can't penalize the unit for being impossible to recruit? Why the fuck not? If you want to use him you need to hamstring your army for half the fucking game, why can you not hold that against him? People hold it against Hugh and Farina for having to pay them - how is this any different?
Sry misclickdd again.
Happens a lot
Fiona is literally bugged, she was supposed to be a strong unit
Isadora has AWFUL bases
28 HP, 13 Str, 12 Skl, 16 Spd, 10 Lck, 8 Def, 6 Res
Heath has EXCELLENT bases on HHM
32 HP, 13 Str, 10 Skl, NINE Spd, 8 Lck, 11 Def, 2 Res
why are fe7fags talking in a fe6 thread
Source: it was revealed to me in a dream
Nah your choice.
"By the time the meal finished the restaurant closed and the meal gets wasted on the trash can.
The paladins are usually used to tank the enemy lines and fronltine, rescue people and move around
if you honestly think that a cav with 8 defense and 28 HP is good, then by all means go play with Isadora as much as you can
make a new relay, this time florina will be good
It's her autoleveling that's bugged: she's supposed to autolevel to level 9, but instead joins at level 9 with level 1 stats.
People hold it against Hugh and Farina for having to pay them - how is this any different?
Only retards do this. Farina is penalized primarily for availability.
Heath 9 spd starting lategame.
What a jobber.
Isadora 16 spd
What a legend!
only +1 defense than base level lowen
yeah shes awful
You know how much people suck off 10/1 Lyn Mode Sain as some sort of god among men in HHM right?
this is what the reclass meme has taken from us we can't say any unit is shit since they can jump become wyverns instead
Better yet, do it on Twitch so anons can have this argument in real time in the chat every time the person playing does (or doesn't) do anything at all.
Everything is on a spectrum, every matter in this world has nuance
Wrong. Some things are right or wrong. Like math.
When in reality you can just do an LTC run with minimal rigging.
a bad one
Sure. It's a bad LTC run that is objectively inferior to the LTC that takes less turns. And the character that saves turns is superior to the character that costs turns.
Or you can call it an "efficiency run" where you skew the balance between reliability and turncounts a certain way. That's a more sensible goal to aim for, rather than being a failure at LTC.
But recall this was a discussion about beliefs, not behaviors. I can LTC badly and BELIEVE that a good infantry is better than a bad flier, in general.
That's all that matters. That was the point of contention. Not all this other stupid shit you're bringing up.
No. If you go back to the post that started the discussion
LTCfags (aka subhumans) will tell you that a flier with 1 in every stat is better than a 6 move ground unit with 30 in every stat because muh 500 resets 1% Steel Lance crit on the boss is the optimal way to clear the map and nothing resembling normal play matters.
I am a LTCfag and I tell you that a flier with 1 in every stat is better than a 6 move ground unit with 30 in every stat because muh 500 resets 1% Steel Lance crit on the boss is the optimal way to clear the map and nothing resembling normal play matters (in LTC). I myself am proof that the statement is true.
Isadora gets super dodgy with her high spd and supports so she still fullfills that role.
Niggas like you cant do anything but read raw stats instead of actually master the game.
add at least -2 spd on Isadora if she uses anything else than an Iron sword btw
You forgot to mention her 6 Con
i level my units to 20 unless they start capping shit
how does this make you feel
you fags are really active when the topic is on how viable your favorite scrimblo is
Imagine receiving HHM bonuses and still struggle to come on top.
steel lance isadora is faster than steel lance heath
That's what I do, unless said unit is starting to miss important benchmarks. At that point, I promote for the bonuses.
i would but the early chapters take like 10 minutes to clear
turning on a stream for 10 minutes
If you can just rate every unit in a complete vacuum where you don't need to do pants-on-head retarded shit to even get them, what exactly are you even rating?
15/1 Lowen is inferior to Isadora in Str/Skl/Spd/Luck
Isadora loses 5 AS from a Javelin and is still faster than Heath (16 - 5 = 11). Heath loses also AS from Javelins before promotion.
2 more def than isadora and 6+ chapters earlier
I see no problem
Still better because having a 7 spd point lead.
I prefer promoting Kent first if I play Lyn mode desu.
Good thing we haven't gotten to mine.
You do know that there are more important metrics towards rating unit than how difficult they are to recruit right? Like, I don't know, their actual performance when you get them.
sorry 3ds fag we dont like your kind
Reminder that isadora doesnt need a promo item where as heath needs an elysian whip before he can even become a man.
Appareantly the unit who is supposed to mog isadora still needs ressources tk do something.
people actually do 10/1 or 15/5
retards all of you
promoting after they cap stats
not abusing BEXP to cap even more stats on the way to 20
get a load of this guy, he probably doesn't even cap 6 of his stats at max level.
He's better than her even without the whip. If he gets it, it just increases the distance between them
bro...
i do 11/9 or 10/7
But my point is what are you rating? I would think it's supposed to be how good the unit is at helping you complete the game quickly, right? Geitz is the absolute fucking ANTITHESIS of helping you beat the game. You need to make the game significantly harder (and slower) to come close to his ridiculously high lord level requirement. If the tier list can't account for this somehow it's fucking worthless. Why even consider availability at that rate?
so zelot > milady??
What about for healers? Going 20/1 on them sounds absolutely miserable.
both are garbage
Has just 2 more base spd then eliwood at base.
That in the midgame
GUYS HE DOESNT EVEN NEED A PROMO
Lmao kys.
His str isnt even higher so isadora doubles more and still does the same amount of damage.
You use Sages instead unless you are heavely dedicated on the incestuous lady or the schizo woman
I am a LTCfag and I tell you that a flier with 1 in every stat is better than a 6 move ground unit with 30 in every stat because muh 500 resets 1% Steel Lance crit on the boss is the optimal way to clear the map and nothing resembling normal play matters
And I'm telling you that you're severely, maybe cripplingly autistic, and most LTC players do not think like you. I'm not reading the rest of your post because it's irrelevant to the topic of the "thoughts and beliefs of LTC players."
No serious person thinks a unit with 1 in each stat, who can save a turn somehwere, is ACTUALLY a better unit than a maxed juggernaut. Except you, evidently. But you're not a serious person. End of discussion.
If you started doing shit like that, then we start getting retarded shit like Jill in FE9 Hard Mode being UNRECRUITED because a super juiced Marcia can end the map before she fucking shows up.
what scrimblo is gonna be the next OP
Imagine eefeiving HHM bonuses and youre still barely faster then base level eluwood...but youre in midgame.
Swinging Sword.
I still don't understand how people can make such GOD TIER portraits in 2025
if you are a real LTC fag, tell me what tier Dart is in
Same goes for Cormag being unrecruited on Eirika Route because you can kill Aias and end the map before he spawns as well.
I mean yeah...jill is unnevvesary and nkt even used in speedruns much because marcia is pretty much enough for eveything anyway.
And you most likely dont have enough exp for jill anyway.
Waiting for like 2 extra turns on one map is the same as needing to train Lyn and Eliwood (2 of the worst characters in the game) to 15 each
Come on, dude
F tier, because his promo item is expensive and now I suddently care about the Funds rank.
Fun fact:
Mangs wants to ban jill in fe9 dracts after getting btfoed bexause he thinks that she invalidazes the game.
Meanwhile marcia is of no concerns
we already established that getting eliwood to lvl 20 is easy in the previous thread, DUDE
Cormag sucks anyway.
Vanessa seth and tana are enough for the game si why wait unnevvesarely?
You have to baby Bartre to 10/5 to get Karla anyway and he's harder to use than either of them. I mean Dondon got Eliwood to 10/0 on a 0% growths run, so what's the problem in a run where growths actually exist? Hector even likes the Support from Eliwood anyway.
So anyway my scrimblo > yours
Eligood isn't the problem, Lynd-is
ok niggers
who an spriter here
You did this and everyibe laughed at you for being that retarded.
my scrimblo is marcus
saar
Eligood
More like Elifraud
You have to baby Bartre to 10/5 to get Karla anyway and he's harder to use than either of them.
Okay? Karla is fucking horrible what is your point?
so what's the problem in a run where growths actually exist?
It might be okay if the level requirement was like 35, but 50 is just ludicrous. You HAVE to train Lyn, too, so that's 2 deployment slots wasted on useless sword shitters on some of the most deployment-slot contentious chapters in the game
All LTC players are autistic and would agree that if unit 1 does function A better than unit 2 does function A, unit 1 is better at doing function A than unit 2. Doesn't matter if unit 2 is better at doing functions B-Z, that's not relevant to the very specific criteria in which they are being judged.
You will never be a LTC player.
And you will never be a woman.
Every FE unit is a scrimblo
Yes
too bad my seth killed him long ago
Unfortunately I've LTC'd two games, so that makes me an LTC player by definition, and I disagree with you. I veto your existence.
BLOOD BITCH BASTERED
Relax, we're not in the gay month yet
Okay? Karla is fucking horrible what is your point?
Does it need to be spelt out for you? Tier lists intentionally go for full recruitment because if you don't then it gets really stupid because there are a lot of units that are good but would otherwise get ignored due to the player being able to easily clear the map without ever recruiting them.
Mangs plays fe8 ironman
Lets see gow many units he lost at the end.
youtube.com
speaking of autism, why does the FE6 translation call Cecilia the "Mage General" when in FE7 Pent clearly calls himself the "Magic General"
...except Fates royals.
Fe7 translators where known to be bad at their job so i would put much faith in how they call it.
If I tiered Xavier I would 100% hold his recruitment conditions against him
dies 5 times in the prologue
so why people take this rapist seriously
how much you paying?
50
WAIT THAT NIGGA DIED 5 TIMES IN FE8 PROLOGUE?!
SERUOUSLY?!
sounds absolutely miserable
What the fuck do you mean? Staff exp is literally FREE. No babying required, there's always staffing to do!
Cavier gives you a leadership star which is so rare that its worth it.
And he is one of your only possible on door lance users.
FE6 is a fan translation.
maybe next time, bro
no shit retard that's why I asked
Priscilla can get some EXP with my staff desu
I just don't agree with disregarding the difficulty to recruit. Seems completely inconsistent with the goal of tiering units in a full-game context. Just a completely arbitrary decision most people would disagree with if they thought about it for 10 seconds.
I think it's supposed to be 魔導軍将 (Sorcery/Black Magic Army Commander) for both
threadly reminder to play bakery
replay
And here I couldn't get through it once. All the power to you buddy, I got filtered by the fucking mages in one of the final paralogues
Explain
I've done more and I wouldn't be surprised if you got "relatively low" turncounts because you didn't want to rig too much
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing that way. In fact it's better to balance turncounts with reliability. But if the playthrough is purely judged through turncounts, aka LTC, then by definition weak units that save turns are objectively superior to strong units that cost turns.
Then you already knew the answer, retard. Fan translations do what they want. Don't ask stupid questions.
Rape
Karla is fucking horrible
That's an understatement. Fucking blows me away that people put this bitch in the same tier as Lyn. At least Lyn will almost guaranteed cap SPD like a typical swordmaster if you train her and has PRFs and bows going for her on promo. That's not even to mention supports. This is just absolutely worthless and exists for like 3 maps tops.
She is 1 ranged lock has bad bases and has no time to actually help your party.
She sucks.
What is arbitrary about assuming that the character you're discussing is actually getting recruited? Would you put Bartre/Elphin in F in FE6 because almost everyone takes the A Route?
You can't just break out the booster cope AFTER we've hit 500
Well, she's just been using heal staffs this whole time. I happened to find this Mend staff buried under a bunch of Steel Blades in Merlinus' wagon and thought she might want to try it out!
A-and if her fingers happened to brush against mine when I handed it to her and we both blushed a little, that would be fine too.
Why does Pablo not understand questions in English and fuck up the word order entirely?
3rd party anon here.
You've convinced me. Geitz needs 47 levels of babying before he even becomes usable, if that's not the hallmark of a shit unit then I don't know what is.
If you're absolutely intent on going Geitz then you might as well use him but you're never going accidentally stumble onto his route so he's not worth considering as a tierable unit otherwise because then he'd be F tier, below Karla who only needs 9 levels to become recruitable.
Fan translations are weird because they stick to official works for dumb things (what the fuck is "prf") yet also insist on introducing retarded shit, like the thracia guy who specifically stated he rewrote the characters to talk like niggers from the 2002 HBO series "The Wire"
The dumb negro you've been defending literally said "and nothing resembling normal play matters" - i.e. *in the opinion of LTC players*, nothing resembling normal play matters when discussing unit viability. NO ONE. You could have avoided this whole autism shitfit by just carefully reading.
He's too busy being a forgettable FE boss
She would be very happy with her new staff then.
tbf Lil manster is retarded, I think most normal fan TLs aren't that dumb
I would put Elphin slightly below Larum for exactly that reason, yes. There's not a massive difference between the routes though so it'd be only a minor criticism.
NO ONE actually thinks this way*
He also has more con, making him not get rescued by lightweights
A dracoshield makes her tank 2 hits from a steel sword merc.
FLORINA SO BAAAAAAAD
Get fucked keks she is viable
built for BIG BRIGAND COCK
Also if he dies you can't get the true ending, whereas Larum isn't needed for any of the gaiden reqs
Over 50 hit on the enemy with him having WTD, being weighed down and Florina being at max speed
She's so shit kek
Yet i never saw a brigand pegging her...curious
Geitz needs 47 levels of babying before he even becomes usable
Good way of putting it. It's like when people talk about how good their project unit shitter by showing off the 20/20 stats. You're omitting all of the effort it took to actually get them to that point.
I hope so!
And I don't care what anyone says, I use her almost every run. She's one of my favorite girls in FE7
Why are these threads going by so fast today?
One of the more accurage enemie types
No terrain.
50 hit is lretty dodgy considering that.
Its pathetic how hard youre coping
Yes. In the contest of screwing in a specific type of screw, no other type of screw matters. For example the FE6 LTC video I linked earlier did not give any weight to
anything resembling normal play.
Now, obviously the LTC players would be in the wrong if they intruded on people playing the game normally and insisted that everyone must play under our retarded gimmick conditions. But that doesn't happen. LTC players make true and factual statements about units in LTC runs. If it hurts your feelings when normal players see those statements out of context and don't understand, that's your problem.
Based
spoiler
Priscilla is a bog-standard meta pick nobody is saying anything
fwiday
He's also using a less accurate Steel Sword. Pegasluts should be dodgier than this
what anyone says
What do they say? That she's good?
Yeah cause the brigands don't go for her village. She's actually built for big pirate cock
Florina can easily train herself by killing leftover scrap mercenaries which markus weakened with a javelin in his way to rescue lyn.
But her hazers are sk bad at fe that they would never come up with a simple strat like that
So you agree you misunderstood (and defended) the strawman the anon was depicting, and me as well by extension. I'm sure you won't agree to that, but you really ought to, if you really can read English.
Thinks a class who cant have terrain bonuses are supposed to be dodgetanks
Finish a fe game first and then we can talk
you are trying to bait people on a page 9 bumplocked thread at 5AM
get a job bro
We have like 5 concurrent arguments at all time and whenever one ends the people involved in it start another one
actually its 7 arguments for fe7 you fucking retard learn to count
I really hope there isn't any FE remake at all, and we actually get something new for the switch 2
Prove it tough guy
Engage 2
i need pure awakening pairup back
kek, phoneposters eternally btfo
Cant bait if i knew i am right as pretty much proven above.
you prove how you got to 5 !!
No I fully understood his statement and the context around it, and I understood what you were trying to convey with your lies, but his statement was factually correct while yours was factually incorrect so I defended the truth.
Let me guess. All gameplayfag arguments.
I don't really care about tiers, so I don't know if anything is said about her. But given the arguments in this thread, I assume that someone, somewhere, has a contentious opinion about how bad they think she is.
What are you expecting arguments about whether Ike is gay or some shit?
You're such an unbelievable nigger lol
The dude literally said "and nothing resembling normal play matters", he's obviously erecting a strawman that doesn't exist, and you all but agreed to this. But your pride won't let you finally admit you were mistaken. And yet you present yourself as strictly rational, mathematical kind of thinker. Embarrassing.
I can't imagine someone being so contrarian to spend dozens of posts saying Prsicilla is actually crap and overrated but then again...
Daily fire emblem general stealth thread
General
Where
More like bi-hourly
IDK which side of the argument you are but if you're the anti-LTC nigger you're outright wrong. The pegasus with a 1/100 chance to get a lower turn count is better by definition.
You're omitting all of the effort
Oh yes, the incredible effort of 'playing the game' which you seem to struggle with so much. You seem to misunderstand, I don't post capped units because I'm trying to show off their stats, I post them as evidence that I know what using the unit is like, unlike most of the spreadsheet analyst armchair FE players here.
Who wants to fuck Lyn?
It is a babies game or actually difficult?
Which characters are the good meta?
How hard is battle before dawn?
Is the story good or it's the nostalgia googles?
What's with the retarded gaidens and recruitment conditions?
What's the best support?
Here
AIEEEEE RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED VETO THIS MISS RIGHT NOW
and bakers?
I'm not anti-anything. I pointed out that LTCfags don't genuinely think - in all their complexity as human beings - that just because they rigged one in a trillion odds, that that means anything in a normal playthrough. That's all I said. That LTC players are not robotic thinkers who prize turn counts in all contexts (including non-LTC contexts).
This is, should be a completely uncontroversial statement. Unassailable, really. But we have a genius logical and mathematical LTC thinker here who disagrees with it, but can't explain how it's wrong.
we arent linking the thread for normies to ruin, faggot
Yup, you're the retard. The unit is better in an LTC context. Deal with it.
Anons will argue about anything (obviously)
At least I can enjoy some art in the threads sometimes. Thanks as always!
"and nothing resembling normal play matters"
now stop samefagging
k
nothing resembling normal play matters
That's not a strawman if it's true. When I tier units for LTC I don't consider normal play.
I, a LTC player, say the high move unit is better in a LTC context. This is a real thing that happens so there's absolutely no debate as I have proven it true.
If you ask me who is better in a different context I may give a different answer. But I'm not going to pretend the above doesn't happen in order to defend the reputation of LTC. I'd rather let LTC be maligned by sincere posters who dislike it than be defended by frauds like you.
You're the one who's been maligning it, you chimp fuck
All you've done is paint LTC players as robots who cheat at the game
And you're still wrong
GBA FAGS LETS GOOO
Just say you like "efficiency" instead of pretending to understand LTC
47 levels of babying
I had a longer better typed up post but fuck that. Eliwood/Hector/Lyn have a combined base of 6 which means that you need to get 44 levels between three units. Many people get Hector to Level 20 or very close to it by Chapter 24 (19 levels in 13 mainstory chapters and 3 gaidens). So that drops it down to making 25 levels between 2 units.
Lyn has the excuse that in runs where you play Lyn mode, then you have to use her if you want a better gem due to funds rank quirks. Those runs tend to have Lyn going into main game at 10/0. So at that point, the person that you have to actively give a shit about is Eliwood. Since Lyn at least just needs to make about a level in every other map to reach 15.
Geitz
If you do recruit him, he has 19 Str, 14 Spd with B Axes/Bows. He automatically mogs like every archer in the game just by existing since he can use the brave bow and actually has better offensive parameters than Hawkeye. If anything, I think Geitz in that list might already be penalized for having to raise Eliwood/Lyn because Hawkeye is in A while Geitz is in B. Putting him in F with Nino/Wil/Karla/etc is completely asinine because you're implying that he's worse than them as a unit which is objectively not true. He's a solid unit that's cucked by the fact he's not likely to ever show up in a run since Wallace has an easier map to get. Mind you, Wallace himself tends to job really hard on his own map.
Make a real thread
not reading your cope geitz recruitment blows
kys
That tier-list was no Lyn mode nice try
This was never about what I "like." The problem is you're not logical at all. You can't follow a logical train of thought.
The idiot made the claim that LTC players only ever care about saving turns, in all contexts, and that normal play doesn't matter a lick. And you've defended him for some reason, even though he's obviously erecting a strawman.
He's right, nothing resembling normal play matters in LTC. Your fire emblem based intuitions will only make it harder to realize you can save a turn here or there with extreme rigging.
stop samefagging