PAY YOUR VOICE ACTORS MORE!! Preferably 10 times more

w-we have been patient, you chud! no where's the work I was promised???

Maybe take it up with your union's bosses, retard.

The VA union is straight up larping as the "evil union" that people meme about, it's a literal mafia.

Unions are scum, btw.

The last ten days were spent in New York, where there were a couple of unexpected setbacks. “It wasn't easy; we had some very traumatic experiences. For example, a crew of freelancers was assembled, and this led to union members coming to harass us during filming. They broke lampposts, among other things. That complicated a couple of days of shooting. In the end, we had to negotiate and hire union members. It was a strange experience in the land of free enterprise.”

clarin.com/espectaculos/cine/made-in-argentina-secretos-clasico-cine-nacio-teatro_0_mHhs4vLFX.html

This is what cracks me up

unions will fix it!

adding MORE middle men will fix a favoritism/tribalism/nepotism infested industry

lol

lmfao even

they talk. if they don't want to talk, they don't get paid. fucking draconian, right?

I always love this notion that just because a company you work for makes a ton of money that means you're entitled to some large percentage of it. You can tell they've never had a real job in their life.

I used the voice the biggest mascot of the biggest game in the world, you know!

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

Time again already for Anon Babble to sick rich corporate cock due to the religious devotion to contrarianism?

the idea is good on paper, but like most things power corrupts.

organizations with the explicate purpose and power of standing against other groups to defend against potential corruption

those organizations arent protected against corruption themselves

eventually becomes a glorified mafia thats arguably worse than what it was supposed to defend against

this is the only way it could have ended.

Reminder that unionizing a project means any non union members need to pony up several thousand dollars to join the union or find a new job.

no. we go back to having text accented by bleep and bloops cus western VAs arent worth shit

American VAs do:

- Game Voices

Japanese and British VAs do:

- Game Voices
- Commercials
- Radio
- Stage
- Opera
- Music
- Anime
- Live Action voiceovers

Now yes, you can blame a lot on American Culture. We don't really have many live action shows where everyone is dressed as a masked samurai, and our obsession with certain actors like Jack Black takes many voice roles away, but international VAs are way more out there than ours.

take Fumihiko Tachiki, to me I know him as Aramaki from Ghost in the Shell. He does a lot of anime and video game roles, but he also does Drama CDs, Tokusatsu, Dubbing roles for a lot of American media, and even a narrator for a thematic martial arts event. What the fuck does the American VA for that cat thing from FF14 do?

if hoyo treats them so badly why do they still work for them instead of their kosher union projects?

Hoyo treats them badly
But they still only want Hoyo to treat THEM only

haha!

Maybe they should actually be good voice actors instead of just lowering their voice by 2 octaves or doing a shitty anime voice.
Gary Schwartz has a really good video on how you ACT and how classical training is important, something these fags who work out of their closet at home all lack.
Also this kek, old voice actors were also out there nowadays modern ones just sit on their ass expecting one gig to provide for the rest of the year. They act like it's hard work but these subhumans have never worked a day in their life.
Also don't forget eroge, but these whores are too proud for that despite endorsing sex work

I love that Americans for some reason are too retarded to understand cause and effect, like complaining that things are expensive while demanding to make hundreds of dollars an hour. No fucking shit things are expensive then? That's how inflation works and you can't get away from it, you fucking retards.

No, they have like two pages of dialogue.

How about we just go back to voiceless PCs and NPCs? It substantially reduces costs, speeds up development time (no need to fuck around with VAs recording and re-recording lines), provides significantly improved flexibility in the writing (storylines and dialogue can be changed regularly without having to bring the VAs back to re-record lines) and allows for far more complex stories since you can write as much as you like without worrying about the "per line" cost of a VA.
How about we solve the problem that way, VAs? Would you like that?
I certainly would!

Americans

you mean liberals

this. Brit VAs are trained to do things other than anime-style yelling, and don't act like spergs on twitter (courtesy name X).

Also, and this is personal taste so feel free to call me a cocksnorkeling gay torpedo, british VAs sound more fitting in anything fantasy. I can't stand the American Ren Faire accent.

the same people who think productivity should be measured in hours worked are those who think sitting around doing nothing is a measure of patience

What a surprise

The issue is VAs, like all actors, are contractors. So 90% of their work is unpaid and they have to fight for every job. But they just can't accept that reality.

I don' t give two shits.

All of my favorite performances have been done by non-professional actors. I'm convinced that forcing speech just degrades it.

that's not an outrageous amount of money, we bill fresh grads much higher than that for clients

a game thats almost entirely un-VA'd also makes the few voice acted lines/characters a bit heavier too.
take ultrakill for example

not a single voiceline for the majority of the first third of the game

everything is either a robot (traded the ability to speak for better processing), a husk (tortured soul that can only manage [screams of the damned]), or a demon (mindless beast)

humanity confirmed extinct at the start of the game, so no voices from them

first voicelines you hear are on the approach to the the climax boss of the first act

immediately establishes the boss as a major threat since it breaks that unspoken rule

second VAd character is a secret boss that you unlock for doing a perfect run of every stage in the act

this pattern remains for the rest of the game, only the reoccurring act climax boss and the secret boss of the act get to be voice acted.

which is a shame because gianni doesn't deserve the fame of being gabriel.

I hate gianni a lot, and this tweet was fucking retarded, but you niggers hyperfocus on this part way too much
He has no talent, and his fans are retarded parasocial trannyfaggots. Those who would heed his advice, including him, were supposed to be filtered out of the genepool anyway, so who the fuck would gives a shit about "Muh vasecormies are cool lmao"?
Id rather see you fuckers show proof of the vile shit he (allegedly) did thats related to him being a piece of shit VA, like the whole Skyrim incident. Im certain is more objectively vile shit in the VA pile than this surface level tangent shit

Its funny to see entitled trannies eat shit yeah

corinna barely fucking counts as "tranny" though.

I feel like we should, as haters, have a distinction between

MtF troons

and

Women who go they/them or she/they because they want to opt out of some of downsides of being perceived as female in modern society and think that saying "THEY!" will magically turn off sexism

both are retarded but they are DIFFERENT retardations from different angles, fundamentally. MtFs want to acquire something while theyfabs want to discard something

I don't like US english VAs. I turn off all voices.

These fuckers complain while having a very comfortable job. Fuckers never had to hammer iron or work with dangerous metals on a shit pay

money talks and bullshit walks.

Better idea than irreversible surgery: Literally just stop having sex. You have an addiction. Find a hobby.

Do you deny that workers have been able to afford less and less with their wages for decades?

Then why shouldn't VA, like other workers, be paid fairly?

boob

props to the photographer for that photo
in reality she looks like a melted wax sculpture

If even the Chinese don't see the merit in disproportionately rewarding every American individual who works for them, then they are owed nothing beyond what capitalists can provide for their own market. They have no true leverage and will wither on the vine and commit to war, as all flawed ideologies must.

their work lacks quality. I'm not going to pay a street venbdor the same as a restaurant chef. that's fair

But they are being paid fairly. They just chose to not come into work for months on end because they demanded a Chinese company to break Chinese law so their "union" could have a monopoly on voice acting.
Little did they know, the Chinese are more scared of pissing off the Chinese legal system and Chinese government than they are some fat burger bitch and her cohorts.
How hard is it to do some minimal research and find out that Chinese companies CAN NOT sign agreements with non-Chinese unions.

Is there any particular reason americans are so mind-broken by corporations?
What is the reasoning there anyway?

Want to be paid fairly

best way to do this is support of colleagues banding together

america for some reason thinks this is heinous and evil

seriously what?

nice try tranny

wtf dude apple makes trillions of dollars why the FUCK aren't the janitors and people who manufacture the phones getting millions?!

why are VAs this special little child that should earn as much as the entire company are these people fucking stupid?

Truly, it is a mystery.

Pfft, that's rich. what's your job?
Dante, Bayonetta and Solid Snake are low quality actors. yeah right.

compared to their counterparts in japan? absolutely

Maybe if VA's didnt act so obnoxious more people would be on their side da?

Everyone should be getting paid more.

Remember that companies don't want workers to have any collective bargaining power despite any reasonably sized company working against you as a collective while trying to keep you isolated as an individual.
You're now allowed to have collective bargaining
Only the company is allowed to work as a collective against you.

I only know him from that game and a bunch of youtube shorts. What has he done to draw the ire of this here board?

This is very American problem.
Have fun getting assraped by your corporate overlords.

Ok what are their exemples of mihoyo treating VAs, any region VA like shit?

ooooh, look at me, I can repeat what the other guy just said in the form of a question. Pay me billions.

don't care, VA ruined games and gachasloppers need to be mercy killed

have you dealt with unions? i can't stand how they keep the absolute dregs of society employed. union bosses are corrupt. no exceptions

Can't wait for AI to replace all these queers.

You can't judge a meal without tasting it

You can't judge a car without driving it

You can judge a VA in a language you don't understand because YOU JUST CAN OK

speaking as a euro, the american screen actors guild is not so much a union as a bullshit extortion act wearing a union rep shirt.

I support unionisation, hell I am literally a member of one. My union does not act like SAG-AFTRA.

Id rather see you fuckers show proof of the vile shit he (allegedly) did thats related to him being a piece of shit VA, like the whole Skyrim incident. Im certain is more objectively vile shit in the VA pile than this surface level tangent shit

Do tell

union bosses are corrupt

Yeah, a lot of the time
Company bosses are also corrupt. Almost everything good about employment standards is because of unions, you just don't appreciate it because you've had it your whole life and think it's just the normal state of being.

in a language you don't understand

Skill issue, fucking EOP

Just hire brit theater and TV actors like From does.

bsky

GET FIRED GET FIRED GET FIRED

lmao

American unions are bottom of the barrel scum, so much so that people would rather suffer more just so they suffer too and it's 100% understandable

Some context:
Hoyo pays their VA Union rates already so any argument about pay is void
Hoyo is replacing them with British VA., a country with stronger unions which have AI protections
So the problem for Hoyo isn't anying to do with pay, ai, or unions in general, but specifically SAG who demands to have final say over who Hoyo hires.

reiterating what the other guy said, the problem with unions is that they keep deadweights employed
the state of public schools in america for example is horrendous specifically because schools cant cut away bad teachers once they get in unless they do something outright heinous.

I replied to a person and I hope the same person replied to me. If so I accept the validity of your judgement, Though I can't (dis)agree with it due to dekinai.

fairly

according to whom?

Why would you even tell strangers online that you had such a surgery?

It's all the same type of mental illness. One is just more physically permanent than the other

its because a proper union needs to be kept somewhat lean and hungry.
they need to keep looking to be the best source of
quality without being too expensive.
Ideally they should think about it how steam thinks about piracy.
Supply quality but affordable (for said quality) labor and make it an easy enough system for both customer and worker to enter into and work with, and you are golden.

There is a copypasta floating around these threads.

Some coomer makes AI voiced porn mods on nexus

Sone retard from "Skyrim voice actors guild" starts filing every single one of thise and and sends it to the actors saying the ACTORS are used for porn

AI voice modding dies as quickly as it was born

Turns out the guy was a sockpuppet between this fag and the other shit VA, the one who complained that you should ONLY EVER PAY for VA soundalikes in FREE MODS

Thats about it. Probably just headcanon of some schizo but i would not doubt these VA faggots are capable of doing that shit, especially after Zane's mod VA meltdown above.

union bosses are corrupt. no exceptions

you have got to stop listening to propaganda nigger, companies do not want what is best for you

if you don't like a company, quit. idiot

if the tone of the language comes across... yes. you can.
Easily.

It's really odd how the actual good VAs in the industry never make these loud statements. It's only the ones literally making by-the-numbers roles for games with characters nobody will ever remember or d*b """actors""" that feel the need to continually cry about the industry.

Is the greatest voice actor from america unionized?

He's virtue-signalling. It's the leftist's favorite pastime. They don't believe in privacy or dignity, if it means they can earn progressive clout.

American or rather Californian VAs have this weird delusion that they are the only English speaking voice actors in the World and can demand terms because they thought they had a monopoly on the industry.

Even without the threat of AI replacing Californian VAs, companies still would have and are dropping them to hire VAs from other English speaking nations like Britain.

Why did the Californians think they were the only ones able to voice vidya? Was it some weird ignorance bubble where they thought they were the World?

those silly bastards should feel blessed to have a job at all. there is no person more replaceable than an american voice actor except perhaps an american comic book writer.

You'd rather side with entitled, whiny, majority leftist drama queens?
They made their bed, now they die in it.

companies do not want what is best for you

Corporations are not your friend, but neither are unions that grow too large and gain too much power. Both entities are corrupt to their core

YOU RICH
I POOR
YOU GIVE ME MONEY!

You can't judge a meal without tasting it

You can't judge a car without driving it

You can judge a VA in a language you don't understand because YOU JUST CAN OK

Like comparing warm with softness - in this case anon actually listened voice actors and made his verdict. And he is right you know? West doesn`t have voice actors schools and filtering afterwards, almost all Western voice actors ether graduates from actors school or theater schools.

*warm replace to temperature.

read a script into a microphone, maybe stand for an hour in a sound booth

"I deserve millions"

Why do Americans seethe whenever a worker wants to use their rights?

It'd be one thing if they were actually good, but 99% of them fucking suck and aren't worth more than a couple bucks at best.

*they
please use their proper pronounce

they can utilize their rights just fine. and they can be fired just as fine.

because they're the only ones that have the moral rights/halal/kosher to do the work
others don't support the cause/are evil and must be exterminated

when the voice actors them self are so insufferable, that they root for the corporation to purge them all

These voice actors are making people anti-union. If the unions were smart, they'd clamp down on their own members.

10 times 0 is still 0.

Utilising your rights mean you can't be fired.
Jew.

Why did the Californians think they were the only ones able to voice vidya? Was it some weird ignorance bubble where they thought they were the World?

California dominated the tv/film scene in the west because Hollywood. AAA games adopted Hollywood business practices, which included operating in California. And for years it was the logical choice. A few things changed the landscape though.

California became a shithole, forcing corporations to move out of state

China quickly dominated the vidya landscape

AI quickly developed voice acting and other functional capabilities

The entitled actors in Hollywood haven't yet accepted this new reality. It's a sort of hubris

without union/worker rights

employee wants a pay rise

company fires employee and hires someone else

with union/worker rights

employee gets pay increase

wow, damn that's so hard to conceptualise

Can't wait for them to just all be recast and ignored. They literally have no leverage.

Ironically the biggest problem is how obtuse and difficult it is to get a job voice acting in the first place because corporate kikes want every single potential advantage in negotiating, which then means established voice actors are constantly kicking down ladders and actually gatekeeping in the industry to avoid having competition. There are a plethora of people who would take $100 to spend an hour voicing one NPC in a game where that NPC has like five vocal lines, but that would mean the corporation needs to spend $10,000 in legal nonsense to make sure the person voicing the crab fisher signs away all property and IP rights and grants layers of assuredties to the company and makes sure the $100 commission fee is properly logged and affirmed and yadda-yadda. It also means that the established professional voice actor is losing out on the $300 they would have gotten by stretching that spoken five line script to a three hour process.

Both sides are moneygrabbing scumfuck bastards and the entire industry needs to be excised and replaced.

Because we aren't communists.

lol

people who are worth something don't get fired. but you wouldn't know that

nooo you have to pay me more because I said so

that's not how the market works you cum guzzling commie shitstain.

supporting myself instead of Goldstein is communism

American
People who are worth something know their rights as a worker.

Not really though, the underlying problem is murican VA is VA ONLY once voiceover job over they're back at their home looking for another voiceover job or burger flipping if they're really desperate since they can only do voiceover that's it. Brits VA are not true VA like nips but mosly composed from theatre actors (think it like broadway actors) that happened to be offered voiceover gigs, when there's no voiceover gigs they're back at casting AS ACTOR/ACTRESS on commercial, theatre production, movie, drama or so on. So basically they're real actor/actress and can have another acting gig to live

this is how you get a workforce bloated with parasites who can't get fired for being total fuckups

Why do Americans hate themselves so much?

you have the right to sell your skill to the highest bidder. but, no one's going to bid on you

you don't know your value as a worker

People who are worth something know their rights as a worker.

cool, they should be able to find plenty of work at "their worth" then!

dumb ass eurotrash.

Hey, sincere question.
What's your job?

Why do non Americans believe in rewarding mediocrity

Now let's look at what's happening right now;

employee with union/workers rights starts massive slander/libel campaign after a company they weren't even technically striking replaced someone that didn't come into work for 6 months out of laziness(health would've been accepted as an appropriate excuse by the way)

start attacking the players while demanding support from them

attack Hoyo for not signing the interim agreement without looking into whether Hoyo can even sign it

have the union act all smug on twitter while telling Hoyo it's easy to sign the agreement

lose your job as you're not only a detriment but actively demanding your employer break the law in their country(this is absolutely in the exit clause of the contract so Hoyo can break it off without compensation.

Americans brag about being disposable

cool self own?

according to their unions own rules they weren't even supposed to be allowed to audition for the game in the first place.

But SAG is so shit at getting them jobs they allow them to break their rules under the table so they can pull shit like this later on.

Just hire VTubers or AI problem solved. More effort on their end and it would justify the prices for once.

This doesn't even make sense. VAs are included with everyone else in the "able to afford less with their wages", why should they get exception.

The cali VA still gonna live for a bit while since mostly japan big houses like squenix and sega still using their pool, while european and some wisened up american moved to brits scene. like RGG 0 for switch 2 use that faggot yongyea again as kiryu so the cancer that is cali VA scene still gonna live for awhile

it's a shame FF14 went back to californian VAs because "muh representation" when the bong VAs were noticably better quality.
it's hilarious they did so right as another fucking strike happened, the same as the strike that made them switch from US to UK VA in the first place.

I was about to care enough to respond to what this retard said but he opted out of the gene pool willingly so I won without doing anything

you have a profound lack of understanding regarding economics and it's embarrassing as this is very basic stuff. the market decides what someone is worth, not an entitled employee making ransom demands to an employer who doesn't want to hire or retain them, and who has superior alternatives for less or equal price.

please put down the crack pipe, pick up a rifle, and get blown up by a drone in ukraine.

H Jon Benjamin is almost definitely in SAG but he has a cushy gig as Bob so no need to complain

You can't just demand a fair wage

You should just accept being paid like shit like everyone else

Just hire VTubers

kill yourself

I guarantee you this shit is over residuals
Devs don't get fucking residuals, so why do they think they can

I hate china but I hate the va unions more

majority of US based voice actors are beyond scum. mostly made up with Pedophile child rapists and tax dodging communists

So basically they're real actor/actress and can have another acting gig to live.

Well yeah. NA VAs are independent contractors, basically day laborers. They spend all day going to auditions, shopping around their portfolio and working with agents and industry contacts. All of that is unpaid work. While hoping they land a role that keeps them alive until the next role and if they can't find work for a couple weeks they might already be in deep shit. That is why they are fighting so hard for better deals on royalty checks.

The problem with American VAs is when they start asking for fucking residuals from games. They say it with a straight face while completely ignoring the actual fucking devs who don't even get residuals it's all "me me me"

The question in focus is why single out VAs. If everyone is getting less then everyone would need to get more which would 0 sum anyway. Paying VAs more doesn't seem like it would accomplish anything.

you can demand a "fair wage." and you can also be replaced. speak your lines or put the fries in the bag, loser.

Weird how you didn't refute me at any stage.

NO how dare a chinese company in a chinese union refuse to to join our americuck union that wants to fire every non american actor from the project

Do americans really

I've wondered about a world where every person associated with the product gets residuals. I can't think of why not since the products are digital, last forever, and are sold forever.

Why do Americans get so mad when you tell them you can critique their Jewish overlords?

LABOUR

THEORY

OF

VALUE

MARX WAS RIGHT!

VOICE ACTORS ARE GETTING RIPPED OFF. PAY VOICE ACTORS THEIR FAIR SHARE!

Just another amazing decision that FF14 has made in recent years to guarantee their irrelevance. Amazing how a game studio and devs can be handed such a large audience after Shadowbringers and SE has done everything they can to piss people off pushing them to quit the game for good.
The decision to hire American VAs for Dawntrail was the icing on the cake, I knew when that was announced the game was done because as you say they'd gone back to making the same decisions that made 1.0 such a failure

receive you starts playing

dragon of dojima here

just a reminder that trans rights are human rights

and pay voice actors what they're fucking worth

if you disagree

just know that going down this path was your choice

now those who want to die

STEHP UAHP

Pretending to be American is a pasttime foreigner do as a joke, don't take it seriously.

there is nothing to refute. you're just a moron. there is not a single place on this planet where employees can demand and receive any wage they want. they can negotiate with the employer, cry on social media, form a coalition of likeminded individuals leveraging their clout, but at the end of the day if they aren't hired then they are not worth what they were asking for.

My brother works as a game developer for a large game and there are two groups of people he hates more than anyone else.
Streamers and the second group is voice actors.

Can they do other gigs other than voice acting? That's the biggest question here

They'll bitch about unions being le evil while defending Goldbergstein's greedy and amoral practices.
Same way they'll go into nuclear mode when you suggest a student loan forgiveness but are ok with banks and companies defaulting for free (and student debt is spare money compared to those).
They have being raised to fight between themselves, not against the one that rules over them

Agreed. I think the complicating factor with the dawntrail VAs though, is that they didn't hire american VAs because that was the industry norm, but because the new head of localisation thought it was "morally wrong" to create a fictonal setting based on south america and not cast "latinx" VAs.
Which of course means people from california who claim to have the right ancestry.

It shows a level of change within the top brass, who had formerly been pretty good. Koji Fox passed the baton to the wrong person.

There are a plethora of people who would take $100 to spend an hour voicing one NPC in a game where that NPC has like five vocal lines, but that would mean the corporation needs to spend $10,000 in legal nonsense to make sure the person voicing the crab fisher signs away all property and IP rights and grants layers of assuredties to the company and makes sure the $100 commission fee is properly logged and affirmed and yadda-yadda.

of course, this $10,000 legal fee nonsense only comes into play if the game company making the game is a part of the union. If they don't join the union and become a union project; they don't have to pay these legal fees. Which is why more and more are refusing to join it, which means more and more union VA are out of the job.

When it was the "only" option the union was able to strongarm games into being union projects but now there's other, cheaper, options that union is going to crash and burn. Especially if it's going to keep doing bullshit strikes.

American can't comprehend having rights again

Pay voice actors nothing. Force them into Chinese run genocidal Uyghur concentration camps. Cut out their vocal cords and have them replicated by AI.

Voice actors do not qualify as human and it should be illegal to grant them human rights, let alone union rights.

It deserves no money at all because its a troon

Because the americans managed to turn unions into medieval guilds. The rules SAG-AFTRA has for its member would be illegal in the EU

one of the genshin VA's on strike proudly boast about doing uber deliveries.
These fuckers are entitled for being on the lowest step of the worker ladder.

Work for a game studio.

We are doing VA work today.

Anime VA comes in.

It's the anime voice.

Ask them to stop, and deliver the line professionally.

They do it again.

Ask them to do the line.

They refuse and tell me that we hired a anime VA and that's what they are going to get.

Tell them we hired somebody to do voices, not anime little child goofy voices.

They tell me they are no longer going to speak to me and starts doing the lines.

Shut the mics off, lights off, tell them to get out, shut the VA booth down.

They try to cause a problem but I just have them escorted out of the building and contract revoked for failure to comply.

Tell the head of the company to stop hiring these shitters.

Get told to fuck off.

I fuck off.

Game comes out.

The big thing about it is people hate the VA work and localization.

See my fucking name in the credits.

I FUCKING GET LIVID!

I TRY TO SUE THE COMPANY TO GET MY NAME OFF THE TRASH!

I lose.

I fucking cant get work now because my names on that pile of shit.

Fuck it oh well, I get paid more now to do audio design with SFM porn studios.

pay back your loan, loser. that's your job not mine.

I think they can, and those that don't bitch on twitter probably are doing stuff like commercials and other voice work, but the "VA dreamers" just want to land that shepard/croft/drake role. The big break out role they work on for a solid year or two, do some 'various characters' project in the off season and then it's back for the sequel of their big main role. All while watching royalty checks rolling in. Just like their idols Hale, North, Nolan, Blum, Lowenthal etc.

At least the story has a happy ending

Unions are based because they make amerifats seethe.

Be retarded

Hire VA known for doing anime voices

Be mad when they do anime voices

Please tell me what game

>I fucking cant get work now because my names on that pile of shit.

the most obvious fake story ever
no one gives a shit if your name is in the credits of some flop
everyone working on concord already got hired at another company
same for unknown 9, hyenas, etc

support the unhinged troon chud!!

low quality tranny VAs are le based!

bring
on
the
AI

political praxis

My brain just fully turned off here, it's so obvious when someone is using a word to "try" and sound smart

What is a scab?

You better go to sleep early wagie. Tomorrow you must go back to your job with your fellow cattle. And don't forget Goldbergs needs a new house! So don't dare to suggest anything that goes against his economic interests!

Just hire VTubers

HoYo does that to a ludicrous degree and its only kinda working, very few of them come drama free or with minimal.
Miyazaki and his fetish for the Welsh accent as well as FFXIV managed to make using bong Theater Troupes a thing since they're classically trained actors and the like.
Even then, there are some bad apples like Bayo's original VA wanting more money for the character despite being paid fairly well overall for the role.

ok but pay back your loan because no one else is going to now lol

Even then, there are some bad apples like Bayo's original VA

Doesn't count, lives in Cali

someone who crosses picket lines and works during a strike. Old term.

How can you possibly lose when suing to get your name off a project that you apparently left?

Because the difference between profit and loss is called margin
And every residual is a direct charge against it

Ouch that explains the drama, bong in cali is the same as cali faggot

what's with this belief that if you worked on a product, you're entitled to a percentage of the total revenue that product earns?
same shit as that musician suing rockstar

Funny how when confronting this clown world truth, your only awnser is an ad hominem.
Fun fact, I never tool a loan.
Now please go and find another insult to cope with the fact you are a slave defending his owner

Nothing, except VAs clearly only care about getting theirs and fuck everyone who *actually* made the game

Critique away. My problem isn't with telling corporations and institutional investors to go fuck themselves, it's with people insisting I give Californians say over how anything is run.

Really?
Fuck me, no wonder it went to shit.
Stricken with California greed, sad way to go.

The entitlement issue, if the game getting bigger they ought to get some more payment even though they're basically contracted and the contract don't have any clause for that.

Don't voice actors in JP have ridiculously high salary?

A strike is done so the workers don't work and a 'scab' is someone who stops the bleeding of no working being done by actually doing the work.
The term works in most work places because the entire work-force is on strike in unity and the company they work for has agreed to be unionized.
This doesn't work for video game voice acting, especially on mihoyo, because half the actors aren't even a part of the union and have no reason to take part and on top of that Mihoyo isn't part of the union; the main reason for the "strike" is to force them into being union.

Also because Mihoyo isn't part of the union it's not legally bound to keep them employed while they strike. It's exercising it's right to fire them recently and that's why they are acting up like this.

She used to look and be normal before voicing Paimon. I actually believe all the hate she got for it made her go insane to this point.

I only care about your career as much as you care about mine, sis.

Da

It's true. The union members in the last place i worked were almost all arabs and they would cover only for eachother. Alot of those sandniggers barely even showed up to work and if they were they were just always in everybody's way chatting in their disgusting language.

VA in Japan is like a movie star level. While they usually open audition for roles, having certain VA guarantee views and sort of sponsorship like in movie industry

entire strike gets torpedoed when a VAs sperg so hard normies start looking to the SAG demands and realize how greedy and retarded they are being

It's exercising it's right to fire them recently and that's why they are acting up like this.

Have they fired Paimon's VA yet?

"hey boss this one employee 'keisha' shows up late every day and doesnt do anything while shes here, why dont you fire her?"

"hahaha, well anon, i cant because of le epic union, shes in le epic union"

"ah, ok boss, i quit."

I dont work for companies with unions anymore, and i consider unions to be an absolute evil. I dont care what the ideas of the union are, i care about the results, how it effects me, and theres no possible chance for me to benefit from a union existing.

I think the funniest part is that despite mostly being over AI the SAG negotiators have basically made no stipulations about AI at all

English VAs

Let me guess it sounds like this
youtube.com/watch?v=ci8dIpNcyEY

No, they just get a ton of work if they're popular, which results in a lot of money

Laughable that you believe there are less Jews in the private sector

From her recent bitching, it sounds like she got fired and she's announcing she's "walking out" before they announce she's fired.

Japanese and most other country's voice actors try to get any role since it can help advance their career or just be a form of income

American voice actors will refuse to voice a character because the story of the game is "icky"

Also demand more money despite being fussy on what they voice

These retards are gonna get a reality check if AI voice acting ever takes off

Writer's strike was cancerous as fuck. They wanted half a dozen writers on every show then increasing more for every 2 episodes. Exactly why everything is so shit now. There should be 1 writer, 2 max. Changing writers every episode is fucking retarded and has characters acting completely schizophrenic like giving a shit their DEA agent brother gets shot when you threatened him the episode prior and he is the greatest danger to you and your family.
Voices have always been a detrement to games. The massive increase in cost over text lead to cutting text and is why we have quest waypoints instead of any kind of actual in game directions; why dialogues never give you any choices; just fuck off with voice actors forever.

Finally, the demon has been exercised.
I'll never play the game again but at least that much has been made tolerable.
Now we wait for some good games to release.

Because in the end game you get bloated Unions. Being in a Union cannot be a shield that prevents employers from firing people who deserve to be fired, for example. Which is what's happening in education. You need Unions and employers to be in an equilibrium.

it's hilarious how much damage one person can do by simply existing and being herself

One thread you whine about how le evil /vee/ celebrates le poor corporations suffering from low sales, then another thread you whine about how /vee/ should be more anti-corporate. Sick of your shit, just rope yourself already.

Higher than others working on the same project? Probably. But it's not like it's ridiculously high. Garbage seasonal anime productions can often afford big names and they aren't exactly big budget shit either. It's just that those fags do all sorts of work, take part in lots of projects, do shit like radio shows and drama CDs, some will even take part in concerts. They basically just put in the work to get their pay instead of demanding royalties after doing 10 minutes of voice acting for some project.

I hate voice actors so much it's unreal

even an freshly hired junior developer/artist deserves to get paid more than a voice actor under any circumstances

then why don't you make your own union!?!??!

fuck off, wasting time on forming unions is a luxury that only these celebrity cunts have

If Japanese VAs make more money it's because they also DO a lot more. They record audio dramas, most can sing, etc.

So basically voice acting never needed to progress beyond vague sound effects during combat so you have an idea of the kind of voice tone they have for when you read their novels of exposition later.

Voice acting can be blamed for both the reduced quality of writing, and lower literacy rates in children.

The massive increase in cost over text lead to cutting text and is why we have quest waypoints instead of any kind of actual in game directions; why dialogues never give you any choices

lmao no, this happened because gamers started expecting every line to be fully voiced, which heavily limited the amount of dialogue that could be written per npc

yall got any moar o dem pixels

her

Is she related to that tlou MC potato? They look identical

JUUUUUSTIIIIIICEEEEEEE

It's funny how German VAs do random shit all the time, like you'd hear the guy who voices Bruce Willis in all his movies trying to sell you meds over the radio. They aren't below that shit. Why would they be? It's extra income. Burger VAs tend to feel like they should be set for life for voicing one or two popular characters for some reason.

So basically

What are you talking about Retard?

FF14 went back to californian VAs

what do you mean "went back"? the game was only voiced by british VAs until Dawntrail with Sena Bryer the troon and american voice actors in the one and only "not-america" zone in the game full of cowboys armed with guns living in a desert, they never had american VAs before this

there are people using English voices in FF14

Jesus Christus.

A Realm Reborn used American VAs

Only ugly girls complain about the patriarchy too.

If you've read even any elementary Marxism you'd know how bad voice actors are getting ripped off by the bourgeois. Voice actors are not just the voice of game characters, they're the voice of the proletariat.

What's my core ideological stance if I no longer even care if leftists, liberals, women etc understand my point of view, I just want this corrupted, hypocritical system to burn down and everyone who benefits from it to suffer.

Your behavior and politics are so abhorrent that everyone would prefer to side with the big evil corporations than you.

Do better.

Voice acting and graphics are the least important things in a video game.

voice """"""""""""actors"""""""""""""" are so impressively insufferable that a lot of people would genuinely support massive widely hated corps like EA over them.

Notice how he says pay VA's more, and not what they're worth

>there are people using English voices in FF14

good thing I play with french voices

I blame Larian for pushing that shit into CRPGs now.

The base game A realm reborn used Californian VAs. Heavensward the game changed to Brits and then the latest expansion Dawntrail they went back to using American VAs.

A Realm Reborn had american VAs, they started casting brits in ~2.3 or so. Yugiri was one of the first NPCs voiced brit VA (and she got written out of the game for a while because that brit VA got murdered) but the original cast got swapped from US to UK VAs in late ARR.

ARR Y'shtola - Emily O'Brien

HW+ Y'shtola - Robyn Addison

ARR Cid - Grant George

HW+ Cid - Gwilym Lee

ARR Lahabread - Kyle Herbert

HW+ Lahabread - Alec Newman

ARR Gaius - Richard Epcar

HW+ Gaius - Michael McElhatton

they recast the entire of ARR's voice cast and didn't replace old lines, there is a distinct point in post-ARR pre-HW where the voice actors swap over.

I guarantee you that SAG-AFTRA regrets letting the weeb voice acting clique into their club.

how the fuck can people stand that constant VA changing? I prefer what GW2 and TOR are doing now with the strike - their content is simply postponing the release of voice acting until this shit gets resolved.

She believed all the people on socials gassing her up and telling her she was the one person they couldn't replace, so she should withold labour for a strike she isn't even part of against a company that isn't even being struck.

BG3 also shockingly only has one American VA

Actually only Aymeric and Haurchefant had british VAs in ARR, so it might've been a creative choice before just recasting everyone

GW2 and TOR

postponing the release of voice acting until this shit gets resolved

They have to because they're union gig games made by companies who are on the list of companies being struck.
Hoyo games aren't union and the company isn't on the strike list. They're being subjected to wildcat strikes by virtue signalling retards who have literally no stake in the dispute.

It's not constant, A realm reborn was released 2013 and used American VAs but in heavensward released in 2015 they used Brit VAs and stuck with Brits for 9 years until last year when they moved to American VAs which also had the absolute worst character and worst VA performance in the entire game, entire FF franchise if I'm honest with Wuk Lamat.
Game has nuked it's reputation for quality with the last expansion and it's for such a stupid reason too.

I disagree even if only because its lazy VA's that do the damage, which amounts to most VA's that do anime. They want to record in studio and don't really act.
Voice work in vidya can be great, the entirety of the Legacy of Kain series wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable without the gothic dialogue or its gold standard delivery.

To clarify, if Nexon or EA fired voice actors for participating in a legal strike they'd be in violation of employment law.
Hoyoverse are under no such restriction.

I'm pretty sure they cast American because they wanted 'authentic' latino voices or whatevers, but it seems like it's only going to be a thing for DT, since major Alexandrians like Sphene and Calyx have british VAs

Wuk Lamat

Even after he redubbed the line the delivery still shit and even more manly lmao

I will celebrate when retarded greedy VAs get shat on and their schemes implode right on their faces
I will also celebrate if a fucking chink gacha megacorp gets kicked in the balls by international online gambling regulations and have no way to weasel out of it and lose billions of revenue
But I will not celebrate when VAs succesfully form a cliche to stand in the middle of a bridge and make their own kind pay in coin or blood to pass through, nor I will celebrate when a degenerate gacha company successfully rigs an award ceremony by goading its conditioned playerbase into voting en masse for them so they can get scraps in the form of 2 (TWO) free lootboxes and maybe advance one step in the treadmill
I sincerely, genuinely hope that everyone involved in this shit crashes out and ends in miserable poverty for the rest of their lives, included the players. Especially the players, but most of the hardcore gacha addicts I know of are already third worlders, so it doesnt change much

this means if they ever do the long-expected meracydia expansion we'll have to deal with australian aborigine VAs...

and listen. I'm not racist, but australian aborigines have some of the most intolerably shitty attitudes to "you must treat my culture as sacred" ever. If you think US/CA native tribe associations are annoying, you haven't seen aussie aborigine rep groups. They're dickheads.

I literally quit because I thought "If they are casting a non-voicepassing trans VA as the major NPC for the expansion, that is a sign that they are going to make other bad choices for ideological reasons".
I didn't immediately stop playing, but I said I'd wait until DT released and check reviews, skip the Day One Preload Gang and examine the expac critically before buying.

and I am SO glad I did, fuck that story is bad.

imagine actually believing you're irreplaceable as a voice actor

Corina used to be hot but she developed Crohn's Disease which is why she looks so gross now

You're right in a way you do not suspect
It is simply far cheaper to hire a no name VA or barter with one with online baggage for a cheaper result than to hire a professional one and pay for an actual professional voice acting, you guys are trying to read too much into this, when in the end its all about filthy money: if you pay in peanuts you get nothing but monkeys

I think DT is a once off, I don't think there's a big enough talent pool in Australia, they'll just do what they did with SB and cast Australian/brits instead of Japanese/brits or something

you're entitled to some large percentage of it

you're entitled to a share of the profits, yes
provided you buy stocks in it but most people are too retarded to do so

IDGAF if she looks ugly, I do give a fuck that you can tell she's crazy just from her eyes.
voice actors could have a mangled face for all I care, so long as their voice fits the role.
but if I look into the eyes of the VA and can SEE their laundry list of mental problems, I am concerned. Having crazies attached to your project is a time bomb.

"she" hates my guts for being a white male gamer who doesn't suck her she-cock
hope she ropes

her Mizuki voice fron Sonnium Files is good

not only should they be making union rates

The VAs for genshit are probably making better than union rate.

Bro, If I were to hire these faggots and see what they post on social media I'd fire them off the spot and replace them with British voice actors. Entitled fuckers.

Did someone drop all these VAs on their heads at a young age?

They badmouth their employer online, threaten and conspire against the company by withholding work and encouraging others to do so. And is anyone surprised when they get fired and replaced?

You don't do that shit unless you're already part of a union. They're not part of a union. It's a guild, they have no protection or recourse, and the company they work for isn't even part of it to begin with. And they think doing all of this will make the company want to become a part of this and enable this faggotry further?

they think unions and their profession are magic shields that let them act like petulant children, oblivious of the fact they can and will just be side stepped when they throw tantrums. The more threats they issue, the less people are willing to work with them, Unions are like the mafia in many ways, however in the case of voice work especially it's rather toothless and the pool of outside help is quite vast and easy to pull from.

Maybe they'd earn more if they weren't shit at their job.
My cunt hires actual actors (theater and TV) to dub vidya, why does burgerland keep pretending it has a VA industry like Japan to produce specialized professionals? It doesn't, they all sound fucking terrible but have huge egos for some reason.

10 x 0 = 0.

if you listen to dubbed you're basically confirmed to be sub 100 IQ

Today anon found out how unions work

Why would they pay their VA more when they can't even do a proper job? Do they think they are entitled to % of global earnings just because they did a cutesy uwu voice in the microphone without any acting?

JP VA is a well known veteran actor

EN VA voiced the same character and now thinks he's the same level as said actor

speeeeeen

bsky

pedo site

it just says everything you need to know about a person desu.

i like the witch voice actor and character in PoE

Having snippets of voiced character dialogue can dramatically improve characterization. Think major story or character beats, or unit selection/order acknowledgement or interparty responses to an event. 3 sentences or less per character.

If you listen to subbed and aren't fluent in Japanese by now you're sub 100IQ

Why would anyone use EN dub? exposure should suffice as payment for english VAs

corporations are in fact sometimes right.
if you disagree you are too ideologically poisoned to be considered human.

Dubbing vidoegames is a sidejob for most internation actors.
Why the fuck murricans believe it's a real lucrative job?

Yeah retards dont realize that people here have a problem with the industry top to bottom, and that not all of the issues are just CEO kikery. A lot of the cancer comes from the retards working for them too. Its just all around terrible.

Anon, it's gacha, the playerbase defaults to 2 digit IQ

Because I like being able to hear what people are saying and pick up on the tone of voice used.
Which is a lot harder to do in languages that I'm not familiar with.

Now if most voice actors could actually act instead of using their known voice to read off lines it'd be perfectly fine.

Because Hollywood. Everyone wants to be a STAR.

Why do voice actors deserve more pay if the game does well?

It's all about market demand and prestige. If you don't like what they are offering, don't take the job. The people voicing genshill impact didn't even know it would be a multi billion dollar game when they signed on. They can try to renegotiate their contract but chances are there are tons of people chomping at the bit to voice characters in genshill.

be amerimutt

have no basic worker's rights

Why are you cucks so 3rd world?

british VAs sound more fitting in anything fantasy.

Depends on the kind of fantasy, I find it mostly jarring when a bong shows up in the middle of an American Weird West style fantasy.

Because we just do, chud!

They don't even have the right to keep their foreskin.

it's tough because there's some absolutely elite voice actors who are just so iconic but then there's also so much mediocrity too.
i can't really get behind celebrating mediocrity

fair point.

"So you just read a script in a booth? You don't have to act, do makeup, perform any stunts? You could just record a few lines over the phone from the comfort of your own home? How is this a valuable service? How could you possibly think you're difficult to replace?"

How do you respond without sounding mad?

Who's celebrating mediocrity?
People want good VA's who don't act like A-list celebrities and have an overinflated ego. They want them to be able to voice a character and sell you on their voice.
Voicing a character is more than just reading lines good, you need to at the very least act as the character too and get into that headspace.
This skill is lacking in too many VA's for them to be demanding such ridiculous wages which is how we got to where we are currently.

Aside from the switch in Heavensward no VA's were actually replaced in Dawntrail, the game just takes place in totally not South America and Texas so they hired VA's from the US to speak in incredibly fake Mexican and Texas accents.

It is simply far cheaper to hire a no name VA or barter with one with online baggage for a cheaper result

You're right but studios don't do the former and the latter isn't cheaper. There's an entire American theater scene - Broadway IS American - who work for fucking pennies (because lol theater) but they hire online bitches who haggle for union pay and aren't a draw in the slightest.

It's just about easy reels for stereotype roles. Videogame casting agents are just really, really lazy outside of the UK.

Subtitles exist

This is generally an american and coastal thing.
Never forget the concentrated media effort to slander japanese games when the xbox360 came out.
This was repeated when Wukong was coming up because they wanted to nip the chinese AAA industry in the bud.
They will always push for muh diversity and other faggotry but ultimately its about gatekeeping and control.

California liberalism is truly inhuman. They put up this veneer of being moral but ultimately they are so greedy and controlling that they make upper yids blush. Its pure sociopathy.

I say we give them the same salary as jannies, multiplied 10 times!

aren't a draw in the slightest

They're a draw for anime weeb convention nerd retards, which is what they *think* their target demo is.

Sorry I believe in the concept of ownership which has allowed our civilization to become what it is.

That's like 8 people!

most americans read on the level of a 7th grader and see subtitles as an accessibility thing