First time trying this, what am I in for?

people cried about the old dooms for being too mazy

now they cry about the new dooms for not having enough mazes

you literally cannot satisfy everyone

I want level design that feels natural and like an actual place that's not designed to be a huge meme. Immersive design is a lost skill, we really are in the dark ages of vidya

A game that Anon Babble didn't like back in 2016 but now pretends to have always loved it.

Overhyped boringslop, just wanted to finish it fast to get to Eternal
Anon Babblebrowns must love it because their toaster can run it and it costs like 5 pesos

I remember when everone told me just to ignore all the gay shit in 2016 like a badass, well now we have Eternal and Dark Ages and saw what happens when you just ignore all the gay shit

Way overhyped but there are no other decent AAA shooters in recent years so...

Some people still can't accept the fact that DOOM 3 is objectively shit while 2016 is good.

yeah main reason nuDoom was kinda successful was because the FPS genre is basically dead outside of those games + people being locked in and afraid of the coof incase of Eternal

doom 3 is shit and 2016 is only half decent, it falls into too many modern gayming tropes

2016 is just doom 3 2
same enviroment and same shoehorned """"story""""

It's good but you're probably not going to enjoy as much as you would have at release. It came out at a time when we had been stuck with nothing but CoD clones and Halo for nearly a decade. The boomer shooter resurgence hadn't even kicked off yet. Yes, I know Doom 2016 isn't a boomer shooter, but the point is we had nothing different from CoD, CoD clones, and Halo, and Doom 2016 was finally something a little different. It was refreshing.

If you're not using every single gun in your roster for a single enemy, jumping autistically and swinging your reticle at least 180 degrees each time you shoot, you're playing it wrong.

But every Doom WAD has arenas and people like it

While 2016 is obviously better, I still think 3 is underrated. It's a good game, its just that it was not that doom-like and it got utterly mogged by Dead Space when that came out. It was someone saw that Doom 3 could have been a lot better and then made it a lot better.

They fixed the cramped environments of 3 but everything else is much gayer and mroe retarded in 2016, it's a 1 step forward 2 steps back deal

The second best Doom, after Doom 3

Doom 3 was very successful as well and sold 3.5 million copies in a market much smaller than the current one, which makes nudoom fags extra butthurt because their nuDoom is gay and now dead. Fart Ages will never sell as much copies as 3 did.

Worst nu-doom

A very fun game. It may not seem like it at first, but air control is the best rune for fun.

Yeah the context in which it came out is important. Just the fact that the game starts with no explanation and immediate enemies to shoot, and someone tries to start delivering exposition but you just punch the monitor and break it so the game can start was, in itself, a deliberate decision and something to feel happy about. You just see a dead man juxtopositioned with Sam saying 'we did this for good of mankind' and that's all you need to know. It's a shame that Eternal went on to be so cutscene heavy which shitoads of lore snippets to collect, but it's all completely skippable at least. No idea what the fuck is going on with Dark Ages lore leaning but I don't think I'll be playing that any time soon.

what am I in for?

DOOM

It makes me sad that eternalfags actually think this.

there's a billion indie boomer shooters just like classic doom now. also there's nothing immersive about classic doom's mazes, you must be confusing it for duke nukem 3d

Best gun in the game. Also almost every gun in this game is kino. The minigun is pointless imo.

t. Halofag

the best game ever

Found it boring and never finished, the MP was fun though. Guns don't feel as fun as they should, glory kills are gay and some of the enemys took too many bullets

doom 2016 looks neat

"it's slow, it has shit level design, has stupid glory kills and it's boring as hell!"

eternal looks decent

"too colorful and spastic with weapon switching and again with the glory kills and doesn't allow me to use the weapons I want and it has lame story!"

dark ages is fine I guess, at least it's not fast paced

"it's actually both faster than eternal and slow as fuck, and it's ugly 40k wannabe, and it has lame guns and it doubled down on the shit story!"

what DO you recommend then Anon Babble, what exactly is so perfect about original dooms that the other games miss?

every game can be shit on, just make your own mind up

ok, I want to try 2016 some day, is it at least fun?

I had a lot of fun. It also went on sale for a dollar a few months ago so it might happen again.

unique case of older game being worse optimized than its sequels

does it have cool guns?

You faggots will complain about anything

They did that with Doom 3 and people hated it

Prodeus, trepang2 and max Payne 3 for single player fps

3.5 million copies sold
you lost

But enough about The Dark Ages

I lost what exactly?

Nobody, absolutely nobody complained about that. So why do poser nudoom faggots like you make assumptions about things that never even happened?

it sold more than your shitty nudoom trilogy.

I like Doom 3 retard

Most people complain about that. Old DOOMs are only for boomers. Most sane people just use source ports and mods to make it enjoyable with modern standards.

not turning doomguy into SLAYA with a shitty marvel lore and cinematics would be a great improvement

what did you think of the skull gun in dark ages?

only one I liked. that one is good.

then you are an hipocrite

No, I can elaborate on why it's good but it is also wrong.

Old DOOMs are only for boomers. Most sane people just use source ports and mods to make it enjoyable with modern standards.

Because it's still old doom, you stupid fucking nigger. do you really think people are playing Doom in DOSBox? you have no idea what you're talking about.

it's shit, no question

no i meant, wasn't it too silly?

the only good decent doom in the nu-trilogy. avoid shiternal and the flop ages.

you literally cannot satisfy everyone

Sure you can, you just need to do two mutually exclusive things at the same time.

Some of them do. But point is that boomers really only like vanilla doom. Try mentioning vertical aim for the remasters. People will call you stupid because "there was no vertical aim in old doom".

ehh its ok

that's the point where it is wrong.
it is a good design, it fits a doom game, where does it fail?
it is a silly weapon when you are making a serious story. even if it is a capeshit one.
once you turned doom guy into DEMONFUCKER 9000 DOOMSLAYA your best option is to put some humor to it.
on Fart ages they take things seriously

release the slayer

omg he's like a nuke because he's OP

and in this context, that weapon does not fit.

The only good modern Dewm.

Played Doom 3 for the first time a few days ago and legit don't understand how some people say it's their favorite game. Enemies are bullet sponges, the guns have zero impact, and it's just linear corridors.

This isn't eternal though.

.>it fits a doom game
oh, I genuinely thought that silly weapons don't fit Doom unlike Quake painkiller and Serious Sam because most of the weapons are regular stuff or very basic future guns like plasma
even the bfg is straightforward, giant metal block that kills everything with a blast, not something like a pylon launcher
the only silly weapon other than the dark ages ones and some eternal ones I ca think of in doom is the reaper

that's the thing, either you stick to doom and you use regular weapons even if you develop new ones like in eternal.
or you go silly, but then don't make a "serious game"
Russian overkill is a good example. You are OP, weapons are silly, you enjoy the game.
but you can't be both Russian overkill + serious. because that's like puting a glock on a supermario game.

yeah I get what you mean
but talking in general, would you see something like the skull crusher in a classic doom game?

If anything, the enemies aren't bullet spongey enough. You might be confusing their apparent tankiness with the fact that most of the guns are wildly inaccurate past a few meters or so.
Personally I've always liked how D3 plays, but it's an acquired taste. It only gets fun on the highest two difficulties where memorizing enemy spawns is crucial for not losing >50% of your HP in any given encounter.
If you wanna try a more involving kind of Doom 3, try out Phobos. It goes full Half-Life with its gunplay and speed and it makes for a very frantic type of action-horror FPS

no, totally no. UNLESS it's some kind of special weapon on hell stages or something like that.
on classic doom you are a regular dude and you use regular weapons, even if there's a plasma gun or the BFG because there's a sci-fi thing to the whole game.

what about the reaper?
bear with me plz

Game is programmed to have auto-aim whenever you hitscan an enemy

BUT I NEED VERTICAL AIM IN MY OLD FPS GAME, GAME IS LE SILLY WITHOUT IT!

you zoomers are so fucking retarded, it's painful

meant bare

I did not know about this weapon, it is a multiplayer thing?
I dislike it. it makes no sense.

As a gain general, it's meh.
In the nu-Doom trilogy, it's the best.
The entire nu-series has a feeling that it was made by suits based off market research.

it's a hell based weapon

game in general*

they arent bullet spong enough

he says while posting a webm of a dude using a FULL mag of the machinegun on a single imp for it to die

Phobos mod is so great, Doom 3 base game is also good, but this one really showcases the hidden potential of the game. I wish there were more mods like this for it.

Behold.

2016 is brutal doom

eternal is brutal quake

and DA is brutal hexen

it's a plama gun with a bad skin.
what is it supposed to be? a demon arm or something? why is it flesh and has an skull?
the skull crusher is a mechanical thing but this is bio-something. I really don't get it.

These videos are stupid. Whoever plays knows exactly where they're coming from. If you play for the first time the experience is shit.
Actually millenial. I grew up with HL, UT and Q3 so yeah my standards are higher. I don't care if the game "was made that way" then change it for a remaster and make changes optional.

demons are sometimes fleshy and gross

This, it's easy and I don't understand how modern game designers cannot fathom this simple solution. We truly are in the dark age of vidya.

you are doomguy, not a demon. your weapons are mostly regular stuff (shotgun, machinegun) or scifi stuff (plasma-something).
doomguy doesn't use that kind of stuff.
I could see it if he tears the arm of a demon or something like that to get the weapon. but even so, I dislike it.
I understand the game must bring something new to the table tho. but I just saw this and the lightning shooter thing... I remember that from quake. they just got a queake weapon and put it in a shotgun skin.

You're going in to play an inferior version of Brutal Doom that takes up 70 gigabytes of hard drive space.

now can you tell me how many punches it takes to kill a zombie in Eternal?

One blood punch.

only one if you have the strong punch charged

you have to press x to awesome

I think I got it now

Doom

Just regular stuff and some sci fi weapons that are simple in concept and maybe ONE demon weapon that's not too crazy in design ex:unmaker

quake

double down on the sci fi stuff and have most of the arsenal be high tech weapons with some goofy stuff like spike launchers and electric warhammers

Painkiller

gothic complex machines as weapons, each weapon is over the top in some way, things like the skull crusher and chainshot from dark ages would fit in perfectly

Serious Sam

ANYTHING, literally you can put the guy in any situation against anyone and arm him with anything you can think of and it wouldn't fell off

my 5 year old webm standing the test of time

I can't even tell how much of it is ironic or if they really are like this.

now take the flashlight and do it against an enemy on doom 3

Don't break the tempo by searching for shitty secrets. Get the map perks so you don't get lost and can keep the action going.

If you play for the first time the experience is shit

Or maybe you're meant to to learn the flow of the encounter in order to succeed? OG Doom levels were short because dying was a natural thing and you're meant to learn how to master them on repeat playthroughs. Same goes with D3/Phobos and using saves intermittently or speedrunning through levels from the beginning

ignores the MG having insane RoF and me missing all my shots

I agree! Though I dropped ep3 early on due to the pipe puzzle confusing me. Will definitely have to replay it when ep4 comes out and finish it for good

wait when the enemy turns yellow and hit to see epic cinematic glory kill.

you can SEE the red flashes on the enemy imp
all the shots hit

The game starts for real when you get the double jump, it goes from a 7/10 to a 9.5/10.
It's not a joke, also equip fast glory kills as even if you dislike them it's how the game is intended to be played.

youtube.com/watch?v=IHUGPtGirac

If it was the Q3 hitmarker I'd get you but the one in D3 turns red for an eternity, even if only one shot hits the target every half second.

mfw I get PTSD flashbacks from the 43-part long D3 flashlight-only playthrough

I'm having fun playing it on nightmare.

Minigun would've been so great if it both appeared a bit earlier and had its own ammo type both in this and Eternal. It sharing same bullets as HAR makes the weapon basically useless as there is no case where you wouldn't want to spam missiles instead of overwhelming demons with bullets.

GOG doesn't come with MP

What were they thinking? I really wish GOG version had it, it would've been quite great to have.

accurate?

So what’s the best weapons? I’ve been sticking with the shotgun+grenade launcher and heavy rifle so far

The best Doom since Doom 2. The nu trilogy gets worse with each new game, try to have fun but know that it peaked with 2016.

It's crazy how much better 2016 looks than Dark Ages

sold some shit coin for 1 euro, made a disposable card and bought game pass for 14 days. Should be enough to finish it.

it gets good when you get into hell

spoken like a true bluesman

but is it better than doom1 or doom64 or doom3?

The Dark Ages took way too long for it to 'click' with me and actually enjoy it. Think it helped later on once I had a larger health pool and weapons that could help keep me alive.
Eternal was a huge challenge, in a good way. There's so much going on, but you're so fast you can meet the pace.
Dark Ages was challenging because the "stand and fight" idea just doesn't work well in-game outside of boss encounters.
Like 1v1 with a boss feels better in Dark Ages than Eternal, but huge arena fights feel the worst. I also dislike the over-reliance on the parry mechanic.

Tbf only the weapons look good. Overall textures are quite low res in 2016.

The only good Doom game.

I miss him so much bros

fun game. pretend your weapons are a devil may cry moveset and fuck around with all of them for style points

OG doom was a maze..?

The super shotgun is not very good. But the shotgun with the upgrade is very fun.

I like how Quake and Doom have the opposite philosophies in terms of enemy and weapon designs

Quake's weapons are very out there yet most(but not all) of the enemies are basically just humans or humanoids
while doom gives you basic shit like shotguns and rocket launchers also for the most part but has you fighting giant brains with spider legs, evil Megamind with fire powers and other shit like a flying ball that spits flaming skulls at you

why did they do it

the balance of Quake weapons was a work of art
those game modes where you start with all weapons @ max ammo have proven that there is no single "best weapon"
meanwhile in doom... eh... changing weapons all the time is no solution, you didn't have to do that in quake even if you were in love with the grenade launcher

I'm expecting him in DLC

2016

high quality shooter

LMAO

I love all Doom and Quake games

youtube.com/watch?v=AOBSX7KD_3M

Am I the only one who is bothered by the fact that Super Shotgun does not have a stock i nuDoom games?

doom 1 didn't even have a super (2 barrel) shotgun and you are complaining about the stock?
whatta revenant resurrected

Anything looking better in 2016 is weird, especially when you consider that they had an Xbox One port at launch. There was the Switch version but they obviously weren't keeping that in mind during the game's development.

Best character gets turned into reddit comedic relief in the sequel

I fucking hate Hugo Martin

overhyped slop
better than doom 3, worse than eternal and other doom games

No, the fact that the super shotgun being as powerful as it is and not having a stock rustles the Anon Babbleommando in me, at least old DOOM ss was 10-8 gauge, modern doom looks like it's a 4 - 6 bore without a stock to help with the recoil, I don't like that.

just think about the shotgun in Quake 3 being the most powerful weapon (dps, if all pellets hit), it will make you sleep better

Damn I have never played wuake 3, that looks painful to shoot.

aiming at the approximate direction of somebody with 2-3 points of health is what shotgun is all about (1 pellet = 11 damage)

OP here, I've reached hell. how much is left of the game?

2 minutes

Kadingir Sanctum is the first Heck level. So you got ten or so missions left.

dogshit "boomer shooter"

The tutorial for Eternal