Let's have an actual WoW VS FFXIV thread

which pile of shit is more fun to play with

They are both shit but at least XIV doesn't waste your time and you don't have to interact with the playerbase.

so insecure he has to defend himself anonymously to strangers

grim

get a job
you'd be a calmer retard if you stopped living in mommies basement

I don't really think learning a synchronized ice skating routing is what raiding is supposed to feel like

How do you raid without communicating?
Raiding is the only content in endgamd

1 person copy paste a strat in the chat and everybody follows it, I did a whole tier with pub and never needed to type a word other than my role in the fight

We're twenty years too late for raids to feel any different, AOE centric bosses are the only way a target is going to remain a threat in large-scale multiplayer

But that kind of design is exclusive to FFXIV
It's because a raid is strictly 10 players and the mechanics are designed as exact dances with exactly 10 roles

Can we please have FF XIV private free servers where you're allowed to call people troons and say nigger?

You have to be 18 or older to post here

wow wins /thread

If WoW's content is worse than FF14 then thats upsetting cause most of FF14s content is cookie cutter dungeons that bore me to tears. What a fucking awful genre.

You have to be cis to not hang from a rope.

Eso is better, both wow and ff is for losers

Good job proving my point

No it really isn't exclusive to FFXIV that raids are just bosses that shit AoE attacks

"bosses that just shit AoE attacks" is not what anyone is talking about

What'd you get out of that $20 loot crate bundle, anon?

Then what the fuck is anybody talking about at all because that's how raids and bosses have been handled since Everquest at the latest
Are we all just using MMO terms to refer to an imaginary game that we're weighting against MMOs that actually exist? We may as well save everybody some time and autism and have an EE&E Online thread then

Try actually reading the posts you reply to

Every post I replied to described a raid and then got pissy about how FFXIV handles it which is not actually very different at all from how any other MMO since Everquest has handled it
We're pretending proven Everquest era designs are a problem endemic and unique to FFXIV

which is not actually very different at all from how any other MMO since Everquest has handled it

This is the part you're getting wrong
Read harder, you can do it

strict battle scripting is not actually different in many practical terms and this isn't getting into strict battle scripting allowing for more mechanical complexity

this thread is dying for the same reason FFXIV raiding is popular

As opposed to what? A big nigga in a room that mindlessly follows the tank, has no encounter music, whole kit is auto attack auto attack auto attack? That's how blizzard designed bosses in 2004 and they didn't change it much since 20 years, it's outdated and boring as fuck

Sometimes it does an AoE instead of a tankbuster and OH MY GAWD IT'S SO UNPREDICTABLEEEEEEEEE THIS IS SO FUCKING EXCITING

I'm actually okay with that, though.
The mechanics should come from playing your class, not the encounter itself.

So you basically want training dummies as bosses, noted.

Not so much training dummies.
You should still have DPS checks and tank busters, but outside of that encounters should be a side-focus from a design perspective.

You class should be what makes the encounter intresting.

As a basic example:

Warriors have armor skills which mitigate damage, but they require more focus from the healer due to not having the ability to heal themselves.

Paladins can heal themselves, but have a low max HP

Dark Knights can add debilitating effects on the boss that cause it to deal less damage

14 will never recover from Sena Bryer, unless they pull a Mihoyo and redub him completely.

don't start

xivniggers lost bigly

WoW is better at everything
except
XIV has cute girls

Both games activate my coomer brain.

FFXIV has petite anime-style women
WoW has curvy women and muscular women that could crush my head between their thighs.

I actually prefer WoW's artstyle for cooming.

both are shit now

Not a valid comparison. Different genres.
WoW is a mediocre MMO that was never good and needs to taken out behind the barn.
FFXIV is a pretty good single player JRPG.

You can have mechanics that are demanding and require coordination without it being "have all 10 people move and stand exactly like this"

muscular women that could crush my head between their thighs.

FFXIV has those to
If you're a furry

when you say utterly idiotic shit like that all you achieve is a guarantee you'll never be taken seriously

occult crescent is fun and I still can't understand how Blizzard can't pull off "big zone that a mob of players grind in"

WoW is the last mmo I would play
It's not even about WoW vs FFXIV
Wow is just a terrible mmo and game, you're better off playing literally anything else

Female Rogadin Exist you just forgot they exist because almost no one plays them.

I can't stomach the idea of giving them money anymore after the breastmilk incident and how venomous they were for years towards the players

I'm still in shock at blizzard having a fridge for breast milk but as I understand it's just an American thing

Where else would you keep breast milk?

Their noses kinda kill my boner. I don't consider myself a furry, but fem Hroth are more attractive than fem Roe for me.

FFXIV loses by default since it isn't an MMO

I'm a man I don't make any

Unfortunately you can't actually have that ingame unlike XIV

Yes of course I'm taking the piss, both games have demanding mechanics that however fundamentally differ on how they're demanding
Wow needs fast reaction times and the coordination of a large number of people
XIV requires you to wreck your brain to figure out where you need to stand.
You can prefer one or the other, there's no wrong opinion, I just prefer XIV's way
But it's also a fact XIV's bosses are more cinematic and WoW's bosses feel outdated

Why do you need breast milk at work

Nursing mothers. Blizzard HQ has a daycare in the building.

try FFXIV

there's like 2 servers in all of NA and if you don't live in the same city as one of them you get an unavoidable 400 ms ping

never play it again

No one plays XIV for the combat, the combat system is something you just tolerate to experience anything else. It's a VN first and foremost.

I get worse ping playing on NA servers in FFXIV than I do connecting to Australian servers in WoW. If their backend is that fucked I can't imagine anything else is done right either

mmos are dead and you're all faggots/furries/pedos/dopamine junkies to even want to play any of this slop.

As a former mmo addict, i've moved on, so should you retards. Go play roguelites to get your fix.

What the fuck is a "roguelite"

The story of both of them went to SHIT. That's what matters to me. It sucks.

Conquest Dark
Rogue: Genesia
Death Must Die
Halls of Torment
Yet Another Zombie Survivors

These are the best ones i've been playing lately, Vampire Survivors is the one that triggered this whole genre's success however. If you still want more spoonfeeding, go ask an AI.

Go play roguelites to get your fix.

This actually just clicked for me, I cancelled my sub like 3-4 months ago and have been playing random shit to fill the time, I stumbled on a roguelite, astral ascent, and been playing that as a maniac for the last 2 days. Can someone explain to me how this works? Normally a game doesn't hold my attention for more than a couple of hours.

something is dangerously wrong with your ISP if you're getting high ping to the west coast, i an in the eastern midwest (indiana) and average 80-100ms, perfectly playable

WoW has pay to win Token, everything can be bought including boosts, raid boosts, achievements, pvp rank, arena boosts, mythic keys, mythic raid loot. There is no way to differentiate your accomplishments with someone who swiped their card.
WoW guilds get early access to 'raids' for esport shit, you will never compete with them and you will never kill anything before them.
WoW content is all datamined before release.

FFXIV has zero p2w and regularly bans users weekly who RMT. (the buyer of the gold AND the seller is banned, all trades are reversed.)
FFXIV bosses absolutely destroy anything WoW has ever created, it doesn't even come close.
FFXIV has no addons, 3rd party tools are banned, guilds are banned for using them 'live'.
FFXIV has no esport, and does not support any esport.
FFXIV does not release content early or datamining for anyone, everyone gets access to the content at the same time.

how can you design boss fights that aren't just your 7 other retards wipe you even though you've been doing nothing wrong.

i don't think any MMO exists where you're gonna be soloing a boss after your party goes down

Less that I just want more hardcore content that's not completely dependent on your fellow teammates being stupid....

You guys think the gear is going to upgrade like eureka? or will it be separate each time like bozja?

hopefully separate so we get more "lost" job sets, lovely surprise getting berserker, cannoneer and time mage

All of my previous raiders trooned out...

I played 14 for 40 hours, got bored because of the compulsory single player visual novel. The combat was also boring and too simple, doing a rotation that would have been 1 button in a real game.

I played WoW for only 2-3 hours. The combat was too complicated for no reason. I had like 3 DoTs. Why does a character need 3 different skills that do basically the same thing when you're just starting the game? WoW gives out way too many abilities and too many abilities are too similar. I was hailed as a champion of the horde when I was a completely new player to the game.
They have no idea what a true new player experience is meant to be.

I preferred New World ( which is the only MMO I've ever played to level cap). Too bad mmo players are a pack of niggers and think that WoW or FF14 is better than NW for some unfathomable reasons.

good roguelikes are easy to dump hundreds or thousands of hours in to

no one wants to make a roguelike mmo outside of rotmg

literally just let players unlock cosmetics, classes, and pets as the metaprogression it's that easy