Gaming Is Healing

our game doesn't have basic QoL additions to appel to hardcore retards

2 weeks later

why did our game flop so hard????

This is a basic bitch soulsclone, isn't it?

It'll also have no one playing it

There's no fucking way you can make your game so intuitively immersive that it would transcend the quality of life improvement of a map

Holy fuck you are so dumb

>we want our game to be less like a video game

If you need giant arrows telling you where to go and why you should kill yourself

Gothic had map without arrows and it was fine
Why are you resorting to low-hang fallacy

We aren't going to tell you a fucking thing. Figure it out.

Bold plan Cotton. Why bother making the game? Just burn the cash at the start and save yourself the aggravation.

wikigame

gothic wasn't open world either. it was pretty clear where to go because everything was like 5 seconds away from the quest giver

4k meme

It will run on my machine at 1080 60 ultra settings

what is hell then?

corny

keep redefining the meaning of hell much like demonrats and trannies

I see a pattern here, does not lead anywhere good

youtu.be/VYuvCqexbvU

With these responses, I will now buy your game.

my anecdotal evidence to back up my argument is 1 game from 2001

This. I listened to an interview from the lead guy and he said combat is not the focus. The focus is on puzzles and investigation. He made comparisons to classic Resident Evil.

bible defines it as a place separated from god. so maybe they're all right in the right context

filtered.

This is a low budget game. Its not a AAA game. Theres only 50 people on the dev team. Why is it ok for Ex33 but not ok for this game?

it had a second, much bigger game with much bigger open world and yet map stayed the same

What's wrong, tranny? I can continue

Jonathan Jacques-Belletête

no name dev

I am waiting for this game, one of the few
bUT i ONLY HAVE 1060
Can i tun it? I guess ill wait for the demo

The worst part is no matter how good the game is they will review it bomb it for not hand holding and i say this as someone who has missed the giant yellow paint markers and i always feel stupid

uh huh, and how popular was it

muh souls difficulty

None of these things are specifically bad, but it's so obvious they're just jumping on the souls bandwagon a decade late

Usually when modern games do this they completely fail at any in-game or environmental ways to orient yourself or understand what to do

Jonathan Jacques-Belletête has specifically said its not a souls like and its not a hard game. The focus of the game is puzzles and exploring and investigating clues not combat.

if your game was good you wouldn't need to advertise like that

It's literally the best rpg of all time, tranny

2025

people still think dark souls is a hard franchise

No maps

Shit design

modern dungeon crawlers like Grimrock have solved the map problem over a decade ago

game isn't out

rollslop

IT'S NOT A SOULSLIKE GUYS IT'S NOT A SOULSLIKE. PLEASE IGNORE THAT ALL GAMEPLAY SHOWN SO FAR MAKES IT LOOK LIKE ANOTHER GENERIC SOULSLIKE

Is the combat rollslop?

Where do you see dark souls 1 explicitly saying "you're on your own we won't help you this is le hard game xddd"

PREPARE TO DIE

yeah for all 10,000 players who played it KEK

LMAO

that self-report

God damn I love K3 (Keighley's E3) season, you get all these fucking trailers, demos out the ass, everyoyne wants to drop some appealing shit in early june.
I just found out Path Of The Goddess is getting a semi horde mode/roguelite free DLC in five days too, god I love early june!
youtube.com/watch?v=jD2SMyxb4K0

Unfathomably based.

just check the trailer you know the answer fag

You're terrible at shilling

why did they copy paste the dark souls ui?

This might be 2025's hidden gem of the year. With the low price and all the good things the devs are saying, all I need is the demo that comes out tomorrow to see if it's actually good or not.

Can't be arsed but your post did tell me the answer, so thanks.

looks generic

Dark Souls 1 has no map, no minimap, and no questlog. You either pay attention to what's happening and figure stuff out, or you become a soulless, pathetic wikifag.

30GB sounds amazing, gotta love all these AA devs like COE33 or KCD2 creators actually cooking.

They could have just changed the name of "high" to "ultra" and all you monkeys would be happy.

UE 5 schlop

soleschlop

trash

I’ll be playing on PS5 kek. PCvirgins lose yet again.

always used upscaling

Into the trash it goes

Our game has no movement, inventory and health bar.

I will reserve judgement until the demo comes out. If the demo bombs they are fucked desu.

kill yourself nigger, I genuinely loved the game, and I love that stellar blade and hell is us got demos too, if kojima dropped a death stranding 2 first few hours demo i'd go fucking feral

no npc info

no hints

no visual signs

"we listened to your complaints regarding gps markers so we removed them too now enjoy the Immersion™"

Every time I think the industry has reached the bottom I'm proven wrong.

souls combat

I will now play your game.

Gaming will only heal once people like you are removed from the scene.

USE YOUR FUCKING EYES

You really need to work a little harder for that paycheck if you're going to shill unrelated games in random threads.

He is a retard that thinks wasting the player’s time with obscure hints that don’t even make sense or give you any idea about the objective are good and le hardcore. Only spastic cretins think this can be done without getting lucky or looking it up online.

4k DLSS 30FPS on a 4090

I love UE5 games bros.

The Hell of Us

Seems gay. It's like telling me your pronouns or something. Just let me play the fucking game, I don't need your little "whoa bro, this is a heckin' game for real GAMERS only watch out!"

it's as if I'm not a shill and was just making conversation huh? pathetic schizoid troon

The Heck is Us??

Yes dark souls 1 has no map, it doesn't say to you "we have no map look how hardcore we are"
DLC marketing campaign, not in the actual game

it's for zoomoid faggots and journos to not start whining about lack of concrete direction/golden path and other navigational issues surely?

That's pretty based.

Zoomer retards really just expect every game to be identical, huh

So do devs. That's why they made yet another shitty Souls clone.

Yes, i fucking hate these pretentious pretences used by these hacks. If a game is good then it will be a timeless classic that can be enjoyed even 10 year later. A good game speaks for itself with its nuances and authenticity.

Is funny because its practically guaranteed the game will look almost the same in medium and super ultra max settings. Modern PC gaming is a meme. Ports from a decade old console gen but requirements are 10 times higher.

It's not like they just leave you hanging, they give you an outer wild's style hints and notes.

Navigation marks can be cool if done right, like the wind effect in Ghost of Tsushima.

Objective: Press F to hug dad

It's just more AAA slop

Watched the previews and interviews. Is literally just Morrowind and other older RPGS. Landmarks and NPCs will guide you if you take a second to listen and look. But zoomers didn't grow up in that era to know how it works.

Dark souls came out in 2011 which is 28 years ago now and players weren't as retarded as they are today.

Isn't this ableist against the autistic?

Hell is UE5

This reminds me of the pathologic 2.

Where do you see dark souls 1 explicitly saying "you're on your own we won't help you this is le hard game xddd"

PREPARE TO DIE XDDD EDITION

Fuck off, retard

in-gaym map

All of those are entirely unneeded. Brainlets like you should be tortured.

And are significantly harder while being better than any souls game
Too bad they dont make em anymore, 2 was really really good

I wouldn't mind a game like that, but at least give an in-game notepad or markers you can put down for yourself, like drawing cocks on anything you want to come back to later.

is the game designed around that fact?

That's enough hand holding already and Anon Babble still complains. Is this board just full of children now?

hell is US

Yeah, you can say that again.

I feel like this would be better if it was just a 3rd person shooter instead of Dark Souls. The story stuff seems interesting and the eastern European type location and war.

Why

he hasnt played voices of the void

gothic wasn't open world either

yes it was

gothic wasn't open world either.

The fuck is this zoomoid revisionism.

Yesterday was the first time I heard about this game through a shill post on this board, in that thread the game got shited on hard and some retard dev tried to defend it by repeatedly asking "post good combat without rolls and parries"
Today exactly a day later I am seeing a shill post about how hardcore this game is with a direct steam link
Must have been the wind

that means you can never backlog it because you'll eventually forget what the fuck you were supposed to do

Publisher : Nacon

Has Nacon ever published a game that wasn't fucking garbage or a technical mess?

Dear libtards

more like

hell is SUS

Holy fuck you are so based

So there is a map? Fuck are they on about then.

It's easy to make an open world game without handholding, just convey things through NPC lines:

"The pirate was here until yesterday, he said he went to East Village."

Player goes to East Village

"I saw someone who looks like a pirate, he was at the inn."

Player goes to the inn, pirate is at the table drinking

Why is this so rare? Even games populated with people prefer to simply place a marker instead of giving useful dialogue to that bunch of useless NPCs.

You can turn off HUDs in most games, dumbass. Nobody does it because being lost isn't actually fun

This used to work in old JRPGs, early FFs are like this. But it only worked because of how few lines NPCs had, it was easy to pay attention to everything they say. When every NPC unloads a novel on you, most people just tune out. Now they need a marker on the map cause they weren't listening

Because normalfags don't pay any attention while they play the game.
Plus every quest in modern openworld slop is just copy pasted because it's cheaper.

we are the other demons...

Virtue signaling

NTA, but being lost and having to think your way out of it is the essence of pure gaming
If you want to be guided in content with no thought you can just put on youtube videos

You faggots need to start watermarking your threads, its being stolen by indians on Twitter at record time

If war is the closest we get to hell on earth, it's because Earth harbours the worst of demons: humankind.

Nope.

hell is being canadian

This is not the game you want to use as an advocate for 'hard'

whats worth stealing from this thread?

This shit only works if your game still has navigation.

It works in Morrowind becuase you can ask anyone for direction and check your journal. It works in Souls games becuase they're mostly linear and straight forward, even in DS1.

I don't know what that game is but it looks like some Soulslop clone that won't be even 1/10th as good as Fromsofts worst garbage.

"we want players to explore the game for themselves": >:(

"we want players to explore the game for themselves", Japanese developer : :D

trigger warning

fucking snowflakes

go into game expecting that sort of stuff

someone gives you directions and it sounds like they're talking about it being super far away

it's like right around the corner because the scale of the world is scuffed

you've been searching for hours way past that point

Can you guess which game I'm talking about? It starts with an M and ends with a D

Dark Souls doesn't have a map or quest markers either, nobody talks about that because it doesn't need them because it's well designed.

This game has fucking Skyrim puzzle doors. It's probably not even real and just another fake game.

Exactly.

Most Souls players watch guides on YouTube so I don't take their word for it when they say a game is "hard but fair".

open world game without handholding

You get the Skyrim issue, people get side tracked than go spend time in real life and when they come back to play they don't remember what they're supposed to be doing as they're out in the middle of nowhere

Brainlets in this thread couldn't draw a map or make notes if their lives depended on it

Have you people never played an actual video game before? You just make a journal that summarizes what people say to you but it doesn't tell you what to do

I'm not making a map for a 3d realtime game are you nuts, that shit would take forever.
I do it sometimes. I did it for the NES Willow, that was fun.

Please the waste time that devs wouldn't

so fucking stupid he can't even write a comprehensible sentence

So if the game didn’t tell you would your opinion change? Or are you just afraid you’ll get filtered and hiding being dark souls?

You’re the reason gaming is faggot aids nigger kys

I just found the name of my next game.
Thank you, anon.

Wait a minute, it's rollslop? Why is it always rollslop?

then what the fuck was that warning all about? holy shit i swear modern devs are even more disingenuous than the typical Anon Babble shitposters here

that's not very accessible -friendly. It needs more yellow paint so single digit iq people can play your game like DSP

you'll be getting 30fps

Honestly after a full day of work I don't want to have to figure things out. I just want to follow the markers and do the story.

Have you considered reading a book?

in the landscape of modern gaming which is populated of gamedev graduates that get knocked into their head that you have to handhold your player at all times or it's bad UX, something like this is almost necessary since it clearly communicates that it is the way it is not because of "Bad Game Design" and the devs being lazy, but it being an intentional design choice.

As stupid as it is, sometimes you really need to tell players "it's supposed to be like this" which is why so many casual people like to play dark souls, because it's commonly understood as "hard" so they feel less bad for dying a lot because that's "how it's supposed to be". This is also why demon souls was initially shat on before public opinion shifted the framing of the game

Too much effort.

As stupid as it is, sometimes you really need to tell players "it's supposed to be like this" which is why so many casual people like to play dark souls, because it's commonly understood as "hard" so they feel less bad for dying a lot because that's "how it's supposed to be". This is also why demon souls was initially shat on before public opinion shifted the framing of the game

Underrated point.

Kino

Isn't this what people said about E 33?

That's how people turned their brains to dough with evening soap opera television. Awful mentality. You should be looking to engage in your interests in your precious free hours instead of letting your dogshit paycheck take your energy and leave you consuming slop. Shit pay to come home to shit hobbies, what a life.
When you own your own company and you're juggling a marriage, then you get to consume slop, any other situation no excuse.

I'm looking at gameplay footage and it just looks like another souls game. All of these fucking souls games don't even bother to do anything different aesthetically either, ooo what if it was a mysterious dark and spooky world, yeah that's cool but from shits out that same game every few years so I think i'll just go play that instead. If they're going to copy and paste the gameplay the least they could fucking do is go in a different direction when it comes to atmosphere and aesthetics.

Dark Souls is a dark fantasy and Hell is Us looks more Sci-Fi. I think you may just be retarded.

and thats what happened no? skip every cutscene and the game is awful. a good game needs good gameplay and interesting world to explore or experience

Sci Fi is just fantasy with grey, technobabble and greeble. It's shitty fantasy.

sci-fi is in every way more interesting than fantasy when u get over 12 years of age

but i do agree with ur original post this game looks just like every game coming out past 5 years

Nobody does it because the game was designed from square 0 with the HUD on. If you design the game with the lack of yellow paint in mind, you can make a much more immersive video game.

I am autistic. Video games shouldn't have tutorials, maps, minimaps, radars, quest markers, quest journals, enemy health bars, and damage numbers.

FPBP

Using your eyes and thinking is too hard for you?????

baby hurt me?

soulslike slop jerking off how "hardcore" it is

no thanks

There's no minimap obviously. Are you stupid?

If you're going to get rid of every form of navigational assistance, I'd better see implementation of characters who give you directions and in-game maps you can either buy or create. This, of course, means nothing if your game map is simplistic enough to go without navigation, but if that's the case, why virtue signal on startup?

Sounds like you didn't play the game

Won't make a difference to their kind. Console players live in blissful ignorance. It's almost enviable.

recommended settings is a 3 generation old card

Can you niggotrons get fucking jobs already so you can stop crying about 2025 titles not catering to underages who last got a gaming pc from mommy in 2014?

*because it's a linear corridor and every Anon Babbleedditor fell hook line and sinker for the PREPARE TO DIE THIS IS THE MOST HARDKKKORE GAME EVER MADE FOR REAL GAMERS ONLY marketing and keep falling for it with every single rehash of the game

Is this game a mix of Death Stranding and Souls games?
Never seen the gameplay

Elden Ring quest guidance

but without a map

This is going to suck ass lmfao

Games with no map are designed with signposting in mind, zoomer; the game world is created with distinct landmarks for acclimation, roads have legible markers/signs spaced at sensible increments, and NPCs give (more detailed) directions. Turning off the HUD in RDR2 is not the same experience.

every single post in this thread reeks of 80 IQ, amazing

No. Draw a map.

that's just dark souls

Kek

This hasn't been true for over 5 years now, can you 1080 fags get a job

Pick me ass energy

holy shit, gonna re-download now. thanks for letting me know early

zoomer discovers that the goal of marketing is to entice people to buy the product

YOU WILL BE HATED FIR THIS POST BECAUSE IT IS TRUE
YOU HAVE DONE THE ONE THING ON 4CHANNEL THAT YOU MUST NEVER
EVER
FUCKING DO
YOU POSTED A TRUE STATEMENT
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU
FOR YOU WILL FIND NONE HERE

why aren't there eye slugs crawling out if his eyes why Aten dge dead?

Finally, a game for unemployed losers with nothing better to do.

Dark Souls 1 is a linear game you dumb faggot

another post apocalypse slop game, but with shitty soulsborne mechanics

Sounds like gaming is worse than ever

If you checked the system requirements earlier on Steam, you might have noticed they seemed a bit high.

They're coping already

soulslike kino is BACK!

There's no fucking way you can make your game so intuitively immersive that it would transcend the quality of life improvement of a map.

zoomers are so fucking stupid

zanzislop combat, unremarkable setting

Call me when the next Morrowind is being made.

This feels like it's flanderizing the whole idea of game that doesn't handhold.
Super Metroid is a game that doesn't hold your hand, but it has a map because it's important to allow the player to orient themselves and track where they've been, and you only see areas you've been too and you only get the chance to see unexplored areas once you find a given area's map room.
Cut-Down on map markers and quest indicators that make a map feel more like a checklist sure, but asking the player to draw their own map and track where they've been by hand is just a massive waste of time.

Games should have both immersion and inworld signs and OPTIONAL magic arrows and maps. There's nothing wrong with having plus if you can turn them off and still navigate. But realistically, game worlds are much bigger now compared to something like Gothic 1 and npcs have daily routines so you couldn't tell where the person is realistically.

Obvious shill but this game was awesome, enjoyed it very much. Only problem was that it was too short, I think I 100%'d the game in 40 hours.

based
game looks kinda shite though

I'm on board so far. How's the gameplay?

Games always say this shit and then I play them on my shitty gaming laptop and they run perfectly

bro gamers are having their hands held too much with yellow paint and compasses that point you directly to your next objective

let's swing the pendulum to the opposite extreme and take away ALL forms of navigation, because having a basic map is too good for them

Japanese developers don't put a warning about it

If it's upsetting zoomers then it must be kino.

If by "people" you mean Anon Babble roaches then yes.

based JJB

this games gonna be a banger

The only way this would be perfect if locations were semi random so you couldn't just ask online where to go.

My church ruin is next to a cliff, I can't go left! Please help.

cool shill thread. where's the demo? there isn't a demo is there?

tomorrow or something

Hell is other demons who are us.

no no no... this cannot be...!

my favorite game, free of markers indicating where people or things are, where to go next, what to talk to... is adding maps?!?!!

Even fucking morrowind had a map

When DS2 began with three witches laughing about how much I'd die I knew the series was toast. At least they can't retroactively fuck with Dark Souls 1. it just is. no meta narrative. no mirrors. God, I love it.

Dark Souls doesn't have a map or quest markers. You faggots gonna sperg about that, too?

There are ways to do navigation that doesn't involve a marker.

Quest giver: "The target lives on the west side of Goldville in the house with the red roof."

this goes in the journal

travel to the west side of Goldville and look for a house with a red roof

Taking notes while playing a game is really fun though. Just did the Ice Pyramid in Monster World 4 today and had a great time piecing together clues I wrote down

From didn't brag about it

I did it for Myst recently, and although it wasn't strictly necessary, I think it added to the adventure feel of the game. I think it is good that some game devs are rethinking how things like this can be additive to the experience.

One of the biggest problems with gaming is that game developers are taught (and game players by extension) that constant streamlining, QOL, and similar items is objectively "good design", when that it often isn't the case. It is just done that way to water things down to the lowest common denominator and make the most sales.

It's Silent Hill + Death Stranding
Looks good.

it's rollslop thoughe'er

being too lazy to add navigation so they make it a feature (cope)

This thread has it wrong. It may not be good for all I know, but it is NOT rollslop. It seems to be a system based on positioning and poise breaking.

Fucking finally, someone has the balls to do this

june is now men's mental health month
your kind lost

Sci-fi stalker-like exploration with souls-like ish gameplay? Just watch the first 2 mins of this
youtube.com/watch?v=PimJdUTxSrE

What the fuck is this

upscaling on by default

They haven't shown a boss fight and I expect it's because it involves much rolling and slopping

I respect devs who stick to their principles, even if it means financial ruin.

30GB sounds amazing,

It's just because the game doesn't have 4k textures, probably because it literally wouldn't run if it did. A 4090 for 4k30 is already nuts

If you have to grandstand like this, your game isn’t worth playing. This goes both ways.

Not having a minimap is really shit unless your game is a linear platformer.

Yeah, I bristle a lot at the idea of "respecting player time" the way it's talked about in a lot of cases too. I don't necessarily think it's an artist's job to cater to people's fomo and need to blast through experiences to get to the next thing more efficiently

Respecting player time

I don’t respect modern players in the slightest. Either you get through my game or you get left behind

no john you are the hell

When I play a tedious trash like this, I just use google.

Demo should be coming out tomorrow.

This is fine for people who can mental map and read, for the rest it's wiki time.

That seems intriguing, kinda like Stalker.

Souls like

Into the trash it goes.

Both corpos and nerds who want to feel smart consistently underestimate the average gamer. There's a reason why gamers have been jumping on alternatives to the hypercasual slop that's been getting shoved down our throats since the mid-00s. The only reason why the slop ever took off in the first place was because there was a period of about ten years where that was the only stuff that was allowed to have an adequate budget.

Competitors these days are ten guys in their basements.

Large asset stores help a lot.

As for the guides, those have been a staple in gaming since at least the 90s. Part of the reason why 90s games are so arcane at times is because they wanted to sell you a guide. So that's just a return to what the hobby tends to look like when gamers are the ones calling the shots.

Neat, I think I'm gonna try it

This recommended spec template is just cursed now.

The way that people can't comprehend how a game can be playable without a map and markers is fucking crazy. Same retards who say "if you don't like the markers just turn them off" when you complain about them in Skyrim and Witcher like those games are even slightly playable without them.

chatgpt emojis

slop

you're working on the poor assumption that these people know what a "west" is

dark souls is 90% a fucking corridor with like 2 dead end branches.

souls clone

no it isnt

i think you're just not good at using 100% of your brain

I think the issue is game devs really think the gaming medium needs voice lines to sell.

If it's an rpg even one with modern graphics it really doesn't need it. I don't know why there isn't games trying to do the ff7 approach anymore. Save actual cinematics for important scenes and have vas for those. But everything else just text.

Putting voice lines on generic side quest text is retarded. Do they really think people are going to sit there and listen to a voice actor tell them about his fetch quest for 2 minutes?

Faggot. I know people that read books on their work break. You really want to follow quest markers for a poorly written story with shit gameplay?

Journals and graph paper still exist.

Worked for oblivion

The absolute state of the modern videogamer.
Imagine if classic Tomb Raider had this shit.

Yellow painted lines you say?

I liked how mapping worked in this game. Basically you had to reveal the map by looking at two different landmarks that you knew the distance of. Pretty sure some parts of the map couldn't be revealed because it was dense jungle and had no landmarks visible.

I don't know why there isn't games trying to do the ff7 approach anymore. Save actual cinematics for important scenes and have vas for those. But everything else just text.

There's a considerable number of those, but generally fully voiced RPGs vastly outsell them.

a lot of modern 3D platformers don't have much navigation but most manage to have fairly detailed landscapes, so what's the big deal here?

sounds like tryhard tripe. even if it didn't, maps aren't "casual shit" or whatever you wanna call it. granted they're not necessary for all games either, but typically you have to make the game more linear to justify not having one and in the current era of open world rubbish, that's considered the same thing as excessive railroading.

There's definitely enough in the way of winding labyrinths that you'd get lost if Morrowind-style navigation was too complicated for you. It's hardly FFXIII.

Your average gamer is smarter than your average game journalist.