How fucked is Kratos?

as the Goddess of Rot she could likely win, but she rejects that with every fiber of her being, weakening her.

she's far and away the most skilled fighter in the Elden Ring verse, that much is certain, and would certainly put up a hell of a fight for Kratos, both are essentially the top dogs of War for each Pantheon.

the Elden Ring verse is a bit.. more esoteric and reality bending than GOW's Norse shit.

there are beings wielding the very concept of Death as a Sword, and another is the Universal embodiment of reorignation (Frenzy Flame)

she's not like the Valks of GOW, she's also a Goddess fully, and one deemed worthy of starting her own Pantheon and embodies the very concept of Rot itself.

not my Kratos

Nah, you’re trying to make it a noble tragedy but Kratos doesn’t operate on anime power scaling or emotional conflicts like that. The second she pops that Waterfowl Dance, Kratos is already parrying it mid-animation and turning it into a QTE decapitation. She might be the peak of Elden Ring’s skill-based combat but Kratos has been pulling out W’s against gods who erase reality by breathing. It wouldn’t be a squash, but once she starts rejecting her own power, it’s over — Kratos would toss the Leviathan Axe into her chest and not even blink.

Isshin would have a better chance

Kratos fought and killed the God of Death by beating him to death. And before that he killed that gods daughter. Before that he killed Persephone the Goddess of the Underworld and daughter of two full gods Zeus/Demeter. All of those characters could stomp the shit out of Malenia.

Hades is not the god of Death, the Greek Gods do not embody their concepts.

uh duh that's why I said Kratos would always have the edge, however, techniques like the Waterfowl Dance wouldn't be something he'd just parry, even Kratos would have to avoid such things, he likely couldn't take more than 3 of them without being severely wounded for a time before his regeneration kicked in, which her Rot would actively work against.

lest you forget, the Rot is so powerful it can Rot Ghosts, Gods, and concepts, Kratos would not be immune, the lasting consequences of their fight, would be a dead (but likely soon to bloom again) Melania, and a very much rotted Kratos.

Not fucked at all.
Kratos bested the Fates themselves.
Malenia couldn't shake off her prophecy.
Even if she accepted her fate as the Goddess of Rot, took The Lands Between from the Elden Beast and consumed the Elden Ring, becoming the de facto God of that world, she still wouldn't be powerful enough to withstand Kratos.
That nigga took down Zeus, Cronos AND Odin. Malenia is not touching any of those niggas.
I don't think anyone in Elden Ring can hold their own against Poseidon.

still, you undersell Elden Ring's verse, its very high power, the Elden Ring itself lets one alter reality in ways that are so beyond anything the Greek Gods could ever dream of.

Marika literally stopped DEATH from ever happening again, Radhan halted all the celestial bodies in the Universe, these are not minor feats.

if she had the Elden Ring, she could, its so powerful that no one in the Lands between could stand against it, its essentially like having the Infinity Gauntlet in that world.

its true Omnipotence there, and complete and total reality control, Marika was, in her prime, unstoppable, and terrifying to all, no matter how powerful they were.

Yeah that's why he has to fight zombies in groups of 2-4.

Afterwards he'd challenge her to a dance off.

if she did all that she would be capital G God in the Lands between and nothing Kratos could ever do could hurt her, it isn't like Zues or Odin who are still killable and were never Omnipotent in any regard, and those are his biggest feats.

with the Elden Ring, Melania, or anyone else, could simply erase Kratos from existence.

'people' think lelden ring characters can best kratos

the Kratos suckoff is getting a little extreme, and I fuckin love the power fantasy of Kratos and his entire mythology.

he is however, not the strongest God-like figure, not even close, fucking Bayonetta is quite a bit stronger than him .

He's a Better Man, he'll let her fuck him in his ass cause that's what a Better Man do

when your wife goes out for a girls night and you can play your switch on the living room tv

MY WIFE'S SON!

Win but die due to aids

no, however they are not as weak as people are saying.

however, anyone with the Elden Ring would beat him, because they would no longer have to fight Kratos whatsoever, the Elden Ring makes you immune to causality itself if you so wish, it allows you to excise and control any aspect of reality you want, as it is the Sum total of all of Reality itself woven into shape.

no amount of Punch or "stab with a spear" is going to do it, Kratos has overwelming physical and godlike might, and none of that matters when you can say "Kratos is actually in the Shadowlands" and suddenly he is.

Kratos exists outside causality ever since he killed the Fates. That's why he was able to kill any of the Titans in the first place.
If Marika was omnipotent why did she crash out? Give a reason other than "woman", because you all know that's what really happened.

What a coincidence!

Malenia - High 4-C (Large Star level)
Kratos - Low 1-C (Low Complex Multiverse level)

Strength: Kratos (Immeasurable) > Malenia (Class K/100 - 1000 tons)
Speed: Kratos (Infinite) > Malenia (Massively Hypersonic+)
Durability: Kratos (Low Complex Multi) > Malenia (Large Star)
Stamina: Kratos = Malenia (both superhuman)
Intelligence: Kratos (Genius) > Malenia (Gifted)

Kratos's fate is just his own, he isn't outside of causality itself, he could still die and there would be nothing he could do, to undo it unless he gets lucky once again.

Marika shattered the Elden Ring because for all her Omnipotence, she couldn't Un-kill her beloved Son, since his very soul was killed by the Rune of Death from the Elden Ring.

this is just the most likely answer, she also chaffed under the Outer God that sort of set her ascendency into motion, however, when she held the Elden Ring inside her, Kratos would absolutely lose to her.

its why the only thing that brought her low, was herself, she was that powerful.

Kratos bested the Fates themselves.

That's because the Fates are fucking bullshit idiots that fell under their own hubris. Kratos "breaking free of his fate" is because the sisters hold is just meaningless predictions and mismanaged power than something they have full control of.
The cycle of the son defeating the father that happens in the Greek games is because of Zeus, Kratos, and Kronos are actually able to make their own decisions the entire time, but their seething hatred and fear prevents them from seeing that, so they believe in these false deities that don't actually have the power that they say they do. So while these three people are actually free, their fear and hatred makes them fall into the bullshit that's makes them not free by their own volition.

this, the irony is that they are not as Godly as they think they are

Kratos' speed

Infinite

the fuck?

Malenia has never lost so obviously Kratos loses.
She has a melty and rotsplodes

KJratos wins ebcause the incel power of the one ring around his cock vibrates to a higher energy than any other god like being. this means he is more powerful than goku, jesus, and allah combined. his axe weighs ten thousand galaxies and when he moves the entire world shakes because he is that heavyu.

a naked guy with a stick can beat Malenia, Kratos would pulverize her, hell, even nu-Kratos could beat her ass

Yeah, it's fucking stupid, but that's what the power level autists on vsbattle say. They take a book passage saying Helios' light could engulf all of Hades instantly, and that Hermes could outrun even that. So since Kratos beat Hermes (with a catapult lmao) then that means Kratos is also infinite in speed.

Power scalers are especially fucking retarded when it comes to Kratos for some reason. I guess they're all snoys?

Kratos could beat Malenia in a sword fight but would die to the scarlet aeonia. Of course, that wouldn't be the end of his story, it never is, but it would be losing the fight.

The only people that care about this shit are fat brown virgins

thread devolves into nonsensical bullshit power scaling and using some kind of abstract magic logic for a fight between two characters hitting each other with weapons

Anyway, Kratos wins this with relative ease, he should have a massive strength advantage on top of better weapons. It's kind of hard to ballpark exactly how powerful Elden Ring (demi)gods are supposed to be because in gameplay they lose to a shitter that just rolls around on the ground and handles weapons like a complete idiot with no technique. But as far as things that Malenia has done on screen, only the Rot nuke she uses against Radahn is impressive and when she uses the same thing again against the player in a tiny cave it covers almost no area at all. At the very best she can only hope to mutually take him out with her Rot poison after her death.

lol, you have no idea

yea its retarded, he couldn't even beat Rimiru Tempest from the Slime show, and not even his final ending version but like 75% of the way through.

Kratos is strong but he's just that, really strong, fast, durable resiliant and steadfast, he basically never fights someone with an ability of reality alteration that he can't overcome with a punch.

Okay yep I was right

Kratos is stronger than Malenia but she is a better fighter.

the Scarlet Rot, Rots the very soul itself, it would kill him for good, as it would anything else.

the PC is effectively a Demi-God in Elden Ring, so its not as simple as that, for gameplay purposes rolling around is enough.

the same can be said for Kratos who shoulder shuffles away from Odin and Zues's most insane abilites, so don't use gameplay story integration against Melania, and not also Kratos.

Kirby V Malenia V Kratos

Kirby stomps right? Little dude punched the moon in half

this, she's exceptionally skilled in ways he isn't, however he'd likely win through sheer brute force, but die to the Rot.

he has no resistance to it, no way out of it, and there's quite literally no cure beyond staving it off with the Needle.

How? She uses one prosthesis sword, Kratos has not only trained since childhood in real wars but knows how to use a spear, axe, the Blades of Chaos, and god knows how many other weapons he comes across.

Are you forgetting the bald and basedmale debuffs?

Didn’t Kratos take down literal titans?

she's trained with her sword for thousands of years, longer than Kratos lifetime 100 fold.

Kratos is the jack of all trades for fighting, he's used tons of weapons and is excellent with all of them.

Malenia has used one, and only one for her entire lifetime, then had it grafted to her prosthetic, she is the epitome of a honed expert, she isn't even the God of the blade or War or w/e, she's the Goddess of Rot, and overcame any sort of pantheon pigeonholding to become that universes greatest swordsman.

Kys downplayer, cookbook scaling is valid

so did the Elden Ring fuckers, at least their Expy of them.

they killed all the Primordial Giant Gods too, rather easily, infact, and Marika was so spooky that the last one committed sacrilige and swore to be her bitch forever.

Marika didn’t literally get rid of death
Radahn didn’t literally stop the stars

You’re all retarded

The biggest things the characters in the lore took down were the fire giants. There are actual titan sized dead bodies lying around tho.

yes she absolutely did, destined death was put into the closet, you could only die when she said you could die and your soul got sucked into the roots of the Erdtrees for reincarnation.

its why the Living through Death faggots are so roundly despised, they defy the Golden Order and Marika herself by "living" in Death, which should be impossible.

those were the Fire Giants, the other ones were that fucking big.

the last fire giant just isn't as big for well, obvious gameplay reasons.

Kratos has the golden fleece

Nigga he would cure Malenia from the rot curse.

Nope. You still kill things even before it’s put back into place.

I'm 99% sure most of the Elden Ring "lore" I'm reading in this thread is shit made up by VaatiVidya and other random people on the internet.

those were the Fire Giants, the other ones were that fucking big.

They don’t have the same model at all. They are likely not the same. In fact, they are likely the ‘old gods’ spoken of in the dlc.

No, you canonically don't.
They get sucked into the Erdtree, they do not properly die.

That’s still killing them. Sorry. It’s no different from the elves in Lord of the Rings who go to the Halls when they die, awaiting to be reborn.

Not everyone gets sucked up by the roots either. The glintstone sorcerers and the ancestral followers have their own ways of living forever. You’re just going around tainting everybody with Marika’s influence and taking their life experience in the form of runes.

nothing can cure it, its the concept of Rot itself, it isn't an infection ,it is the very idea of infection.

you do not kill them in the way people die in say, reality.

Marika absolutely affected the very concept of Death itself, its a critical plot point to the mythos.

nothing can cure it

meanwhile there's literally an item that cures it in Elden Ring

Theres nothing ingame to indicate shes thousands of years old. You're speculating. And Kratos' mastery isn't "jack-of-all-trades" Spartans used spears and swords throughout their daily life. God damn you Elden Ring wankers do a disservice to what dignity this fandom has left.

stop the stars they say

1. Night/day cycle continues
2. “THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED”
3. Fallingstar beasts
4. Amber Starlight

Radahn “stopped” the stars (literally space bugs) the same way a lion stops adversaries from encroaching on his territory.

you do not kill them in the way people die in say, reality.

Except you do. Their soul is just retained.

Malenia couldn't be cured by Elden Ring's Jesus. She can't be fixed, because the entire point of her character is that she actually just IS the scarlet rot, and the story of the maligned and sickly warrior maiden is a gossamer thin disguise upon a divine monster.

yes gameplay there is, but not story.

if it worked as it does in the story, ingame, you would just die, your character would be deleted and you'd start over.

yes, this is true, but the disguise over the Rot Monster became strong in her own way, and defied her nature, for as long as she could, for love.

She affected the nature of death, she didn’t ensure that you couldn’t slay people on the spot. The demigods were immortal because they could be brought back even if they got slain. But this was a conditional form of immortality reserved for the few, and most were told to die at the roots early—even the heroes. It was a sinister death cult.

Scarlet rot is not incurable in the game's narrative. The descriptions outline that the ways you can cure it are diegetic. But there's a difference between being infected with the rot and being born OF the rot.

Reminder that Radahn was taken out by a single sword jab, with a sprinkle of scarlet rot on top.

Health bars don’t exist in the lore.

Makes me wonder how a simple preserving bolus made from cave moss and special flowers is able to cure it for the tarnished. Is it the grace of gold that keeps it at bay? pure determination? Is it truly cured or just pushed back, and as soon as you are inflicted with rot, your character is eventually doomed in the future?

with a sprinkle of scarlet rot

It was a nuclear explosion

But there's a difference between being infected with the rot and being born OF the rot.

I do believe that this is what is meant by “even the gods could not stave it off” (or however it’s worded), not that it’s literally incurable. Malenia and her split selves are literally part-Rot.

The boluses involve divinely rare materials, and the spell implies you have to self burn/mutilate to deal with it.

Not fucked at all. Kratos destroys all of Elden ring with minimal difficulty

What’s the most powerful path of progression in ER lorewise?

Kratos doesn’t operate on anime power scaling

lol
lmao, even

its not story integrated, you can cure it because if you couldn't the game would end, and technically, you shouldn't be able to story wise.

Just Eat Runes.

They just said it's uncurable because they didn't know. Our tarnished found the cure yet he still chose to fuck Malenia up instead of healing her.
I'd say based.

Frenzy FLame, you destroy the entire Universe, burn everything, all living beings down and force all their souls into a singular being again.

sure you can't wield such power, as you and all life has been eradicated and forced back into the most primordial state conceivable, but that's real power in the act of doing it.

Wrong, scarlet rot infection of a normal person is diegetically curable. It's just extremely easy to get and kills you very fast

and force all their souls into a singular being again.

lol, lmao, he fell for the propaganda. There was no life before the GW and there is no life after you destroy creation

Glintstone. Become Buddha.

Phase one malenia will die. Phase 2 would rot Kratos.

Yellow commies are insane physicists (Midra was an intellectual) who went mad from the Big Bang, started a cult, and are obsessed with everything melting back into one Big Crunch.

are obsessed with everything melting back into one Big Crunch.

One Great* Big Crunch

ranni on the "tried to puppet her" one-tap juice, hoarah loux, the protagonist tarnished, maybe radahn, and radagon are probably the only people that'd give him trouble
the scarlet rot as a concept and disease would give him way more pause than anything else

It's a lie. You just flip off the demiurge and destroy creation

One Great Big Bang…

its not propaganda, all the forces/religions in Elden Ring were based on real things.

Frenzy Flame was based on Tikkun Olam, a Jewish idea (hence the fuckin merchants)

lightofmessiah.org/blog/repairing-a-broken-world-the-jewish-concept-of-tikkun-olam

basically all things came from one and must befored back into one, alot of bad shit has been done in the name of this..

I'd rather enter his reality temple and replace all languages words with the word Nigger.

Just like with the jews, it is a lie, you are destroying reality out of spiteful rage

duh, but the idea t least has historical bounds and isn't bullshit "in lore" maybe.

maybe.

clearly it isn't fully true as Melina seems very confident she can kill us.

Even if she is immortal Kratos will be told by some goddess that secretly Marika was not able to have Pecan pie bend the knee to her undying world and use that to kill Melania. The world will bend for Kratos's greekness

that is usually how he wins, and somehow he's attained uber-wank status despite fighting just a bunch of "strong dudes" or beating people with their exact super weakness.

In the frenzied flame ending, Melina is a ghost and you are a demon, no living things remain

still she's bowing up like she can take us out, so I assume she can.

she isn't fully a Ghost, since she can embody in Lyndell for that one fight.

she isn't fully a Ghost, since she can embody in Lyndell for that one fight.

So can spirit ashes

Reminder that the giant jar in Caelid is the most powerful being in the lore. You cannot kill it. You cannot hurt it. It just ignores you.

still she's something special, we never really learn the particulars, just hints, her "burning" herself at the Forge of the Giants burns the fucking Erdtree.

Radahn at minimum stopped hundreds of different asteroids mid-air
that by itself is far more impressive than literally anything Kratos does

She's Marika's first daughter and the GEQ. She stole or was given the rune of death and went around killing gods until Maliketh killed her and took her back. Marika then spirit tuned her ashes and tasked her to help the tarnished. In all likelihood Maliketh tore out her eye and this is the eye he gives the player upon meeting him to find the death root. Melina does not really remember anything before being spirit tuned and bears the sigil of the beastclaw over her eye, and this sigil is removed in the frenzied flame ending as Maliketh is dead but her spirit still exists, and so she regains her memories and identity as the gloam eyed queen. Her dialogue also makes clear that she has a more nuanced belief in life in death since her own death, as her own assumptions about what you intend to do with the frenzied flame and why you are doing it give away her own proclivities: she once herself wanted to destroy everything, but has since then come to understand and cherish the miracle of life. So much so that she is willing to sacrifice her own existence to restore the natural order of life and death.

And Kratos only tangled with some particularly nasty magicians in greece and sweden.

GoW devs said that they wanted to throw a mountain at Kratos but that they didn't consider it realistic he would survive it in his current state (but might in the future)

Powerscalers make him out to be stronger than Superman

Can anyone please tell me how this works? If the devs flat out tell you what a character's weaknesses are how do you justify ignoring that?

The Gloam eyed queen and the Abyssal serpent were two foes that Marika dealt with in the past and then rebirthed as her children, without their memories of their old identities.

this is most likely the case, as the mysterious rival to Marika after he rise as a God, the Gloam Eyed Queen is distinctly absent from the game, except if you accept its Melina.

this, I've seen crazier feats from high level Wizards in D&D.

Kratos is the nexus of power wank, despite his biggest acheivements being a joke.

this, I've seen crazier feats from high level Wizards in D&D.

To be entirely fair, if you look at the stuff 3.5 era high level wizards could do with the right level of munchkin behind it, there's not a whole lot of videogame characters that can even remotely come close

Who did the gloam eyed queen fuck to produce the godskinners

They have serpent like qualities, so possibly the abyssal serpent. Like mother like daughter

it's OG kratos, he would beat the living shit out of her and then have sex with her until she ends begging for mo...
oh, wait, it isn't OG Kratos, she'd fucking destroy him and he will apologise for being male or something.