What's up with Western vidya writers being obsessed with "grey morality" and "everyone is evil" settings...

Murder was and still is generally accepted as morally right around the world depending solely on who murders who.
Recent case in point, the murder of Brian Thomson. Past cases include everything from honor killings and revenge to human sacrifice.

the vast majority of murder is random retards killing each other over drugs or money
brian thompson is an incredibly rare scenario

You could easily argue, and many do, that retards killing retards is a net gain for society and thus morally good from a utilitarian perspective. But that only addresses your case or "retard vs retard". The point still stands. The morality of the act of murder is judged by the specifics of the case and not by the act in of itself. That is the universal standard. A morality that proclaims that all murder is wrong, period, is a radical one and clearly an exception to the norm. No matter if comes from God or not.

White saviors recoil at the idea there could be objective evil in the world. They have wet dreams about championing outside ideals that probably doesn't deserve it because they are legitimately brain damaged to automatically prefer people outside their ingroup.

lol

Murder is wrong by definition.

You don't get to define their ingroup.

social structures and civilisation did not exist before my magic kike

Utilitarian morality (read: no morality) would be objectively horrible if it was implemented in practice as a kind of moral system by which to make and apply laws. When you attempt to create a system wherein the only moral considerations are "does it cause harm, and if so how much' and "was consent granted beforehand?" you run into a lot of the problems many Western democracies are running into right now. It's how Canada can create a universal healthcare system in the vain attempt to give affordable healthcare to all its citizens, fail massively, then deem that it would cause less overall harm if they just started killing said citizens for whom it would be more expensive (thus harmful to the state) to even attempt to heal. It's not a system that even remotely promotes any kind of good ethics, but plenty of short term justifications for incredibly morally dubious actions.

define "wrong"

pretty sure the point of TC is how close to damnation mankind is willing to go to fight true evil, they've committed quite the portfolio of blasphemy and sins that god would not approve of

Name some examples then.

does god even do anything in trench crusade?

So if God declared that murder is morally right and you're morally required to do it, would that make it so? If yes, morality is arbitrary and not based on anything. If no, God is not the source of morality.

he works in mysterious ways

Reality defines their ingroup. You think their group is a bunch of muslims on the other side of the planet? Even they have trouble reconciling their beliefs with them, they just push it out of their mind and hope the women-stoning and gay executing just goes away because they just hate white men more for reminding them of their daddy who was stern (but probably always right).

Short answer is he keeps the demons from going full Doom 2: Hell on Earth on mankind saying that both Heaven and Hell can't manifest on Earth without direct human action to cause it. Demons ignore it for the most part and manifest openly in all the spaces that has been terraformed by Hell or their cultists. But with most other things in Trench Crusade, it begs the question of how mankind hasn't already destroyed the Hell Cults and banished the demons when the maps the creators made have Hell basically being locked down in a few particular areas and haven't really made too much progress.

Obviously not. Most modern people would cheer if let's say, excuse my crude examples, hitler was murdered, or stalin and those are just to very obvious examples for the modern audience. Historically people would cheer for the murderers of anyone that slightly disliked and that is not including culture specific cases of murder like the aforementioned honor killings, sacrifices, blood sports and the like. Revenge is still generally accepted as a morally justifiable reason to murder someone, like cases where the parent kills the murderer or rapist of their child.
I am not a proponent of utilitarianism. I just point out it's existence to make the case that universal moral standards actually do not exist.

because clearly defined good and evil is generic and boring.

Why do self insertfags seethe when humans aren't automatically pure good?

outside of sending angels to annihilate a battlefield not really
I would assume since it was man who unleashed hell, it is man who must push it back, he will help them in ways, like letting meta Christs and the SSPs gear work, but they must be ones that summon the will and strength to banish the heretics from the earth

Postmodern relativism, probably.

guess

It's plenty "exciting" when your enemy has a gun, and you have a gun, and only 1 will come out unscathed.

The real answer is that western liberals and progressives grow up in relatively safe environments where most conflicts are interpersonal, therefor they develop this warped sense of reality and belief that conflicts are rooted in interpersonal misunderstandings. Gray morality is fine in such an environment.
Gray morality in a fight-or-die scenario only makes sense from an outsiders perspective

I saw the map on Anon Babble and seemed extremely underwhelming. Should have aped Muv-Luv for

everything is fucked

Low IQ. They unironically take it as personal insult.

You got the fedoras pretty hot under the collar with this one Anon

I hate that even the right wing talking heads got retarded with this game saying this shit. The heaven forces arent "morally gray", tts just that their methods are extreme because the enemy is literally the fucking forces of hell. They are doing anything that works, and shit like sacrificing a lamb and wearing its blood protects you from the LITERAL PLAGUES OF HELL THAT TURN YOU INSIDE OUT AND MAKE YOU START KILLING YOUR FRIENDS, this is not shit you can parallel to reality. Its like Warhammer with the imperium of man, no, they are not the bad guys just because they are extreme in their response to an even more extreme opposition.

Im sick of political brainrot people trying to steer media, everything has to be a fucking allegory.

I know the demons want to wear us like a onesie, but maybe were going to far by letting priests install a guy in a mech suit to fight them. Cant we be reasonable?

Stop trying to make shit lame.

b nice

NOOOOOO THIS IS A HECKIN JEWISH CONSPIRACY

I do wonder about the nature of the sorts of people who get worked up over the most basic of morality

I too saw the heckin epic twitter seethe thread.

Lord of the Rings.

I got a good chuckle from it but it was just one attention seeking schizo

They did try to say "everything is fucked" but that doesn't make sense with the map and the lore as presented...if you're a normal person. If you're a crazy retarded leftist, then it DOES look like it's fucked. Because you're looking at the map from the perspective of the demons and not Humanity. Not only are you failing Lucifer with the corruption and destruction of God's Creation, you can't even do it without relying on Mankind. AND if you try to pull some shady shit outside of the areas you're allowed to exist in, big capital G GOD will pull an Armageddon so hard on your ass that the hole you pulled your hellspawned ass out of gets erased from existence just for being near you.

Suddenly a lot of Trench Crusades lore makes more sense.

That's ethics, retard

atheists can't into proper morality

Ideological propaganda that boils down to "you can't judge".

Judging is is to be left to the Authority - religious or secular it does not matter. Close your eyes, don't look up, and go on with your day.

normal person wants to live in le hecking based christian fortress jutting from a sea of hellspawns

Meds.

Yes Lord of the Rings is generic

they're

opinion discarded

Theists pretend to have access to perfect morality yet can't universally agree on even the most basic of tenets.

Because grey morality in stories can be interesting. So can B&W morality. The only issue is overuse of the same themes over a short time, and that's a problem with the overwhelming trend-follower mentality in the industry.

Murder isn’t wrong unless god says so.

Here’s a rule of thumb, if you don’t goto hell for it then it isn’t wrong

Wrong metaethnically means “don’t do this unless you want to burn in hell forever”

Without divine consequences there is no such thing as right or wrong

Jews and glow niggers need to make killing innocent people morally acceptable
Basically this They can't control all the medias like they used to, so they need to change tactics

They're obsessed with complexity, but as they are complete midwits, their conception of complexity boils down to boiling everything down to homogeneity where everything and everyone resembles everything and everyone else.

everyone in the scene made videos about how the game is cooked because "they courted the woke audience and now they are reaping what they sowed hahah"

they all point to the one schizo nobody making posts on Twitter as for evidence of this

The anti woke are losing me man. I want trannies out of games, not to unironically use random twitter posts as grounds to dismiss a game that doesnt have woke shit in it.

Yes, there is an island fortress in the Mediterranean right next to the Hellspawn and they can't at all remove it. Same setting where Muslims still exist despite being at ground zero and actual people capable of talking to God saying, "yeah those guys fucked up and don't worship me at all. They got tricked by demons"

Any given culture, including mudhutters it's pretty typical that murder is not tolerated within a tribe, only for outsiders.

Who is it that ultimately enforces social behavior? As much as religious people speak about punishment in the afterlife that barely restricts people from commiting crimes in reality.

A social network backed by violence is actually more effective.

It's because we don't have a complete total war in generational memory so we don't know what it's like.
Even the writers for this gay shit are pushing morally grey btw.

But the point is, for generations now the only thing relating to war we've had is nuclear disarmament and crying about nukes. No one alive or alive enough knows about how essential it was to create a weapon that can destroy cities and kill everyone to stop a war in which millions more would die, far horrendously and for far longer.

It doesn't help that it's millennial that are doing all this now. We have at least 15 more years of retarded millennials everywhere.

Probably because they're low IQ, I dunno. Anyway Trench Crusade is shit regardless.

Murder is unlawful killing by definition. Hell doesn't exist. Good simply means "causes maximal (human) flourishing" and bad is simply the opposite of it. Even if divinity exists, it can't define morality without circular logic.

Its like Warhammer with the imperium of man, no, they are not the bad guys just because they are extreme in their response to an even more extreme opposition.

I'd say TC is even more black and white than 40k. The Imperium can be seen as a bad guy in some story because they do wipe out innocent xenos and civilisations every now and then, but humanity in TC is, like you said, going to the extreme in response to the literally forces of hell breaching on to Earth.
I think his angels show up every now and then to wipe out giant swarm of demons. I don't know what the condition for that happening is but God hasn't abandoned humanity just yet.

say something stupid and unsettling

"wow that was stupid and unsettling"

heh you really got them with that one...

Low IQ stance is insisting simplistic morality exists or should be the only option.

Generic can be done good, being unique is not inherently good by virtue of not being generic, it also has to actually be good. That why generic isnt really a qualifier for "boring" unless you only see value in a thing for being unique, and not just being good.

When do they ever successfully pull off the gray morality thing? Every example i can think of usually ends up being either a reversal type situation where the good guy ends up actually being bad and vice versa, OR the good guys are slightly assholes or machiavellian but still clearly better than the alternative. In both situations theres still clear good guys and bad guys.

Play Rogue Trader

True, though we've reached a point where subverting expectations is so common one wonders if it isn't the midwit writer's attempt to seem more quality than they are.

so you wouldn't know murder was wrong if you didn't have a 2000 year old jewish handbook to tell you?

Murder isn't wrong unless the said handbook says so
Animals kill each other all the time, they don't have any morality to them, and for most of them it's a way of living. Do you think a male lion ever goes "oh no i shouldn't kill this lion and his offspring because it would be morally wrong"?

Yeah, that's about it, just look at the atheist shits that celebrate Luigis murder. They wouldn't be doing that if they were good Christians

Based Iconoclast tempting fate out of sheer fucking conviction that the galaxy can be a better place.

I'm with you, OP

The fuck are you talking about
All western slop is literally avengers tier writing where it's some evil empire vs wholesome rebels.

I mean just look at this shit

Make a non-ESL thread with a non-ESL image and then I'll respond.

b-but demons are... le good!

It's what westerners want. Even Anon Babble. CIP: Tales Zestiria vs Berseria.
Zestiria wasn't a great game, but aside from that, it was frequently shit on by you fucks for having a very black and white, good vs evil morality going in the game. While Berseria, with its gray as all fuck shade, consistantly gets a lot of acclaim.
So let's not pretend this one is on the devs and writers. If you guys weren't so critically assblown afraid of being "moralfags", there'd be more of it.

The only true grey morality usually come from strategy games where every faction needs to be seen as good to the player but dangerous to everyone else.
Endless space 2 comes to mind.

u mad

I intentionally butcher a language to stir up shit

Never correct my mistakes. I have no respect for this language, ezl-kun.

Hell is impossible for human to traverse. They need specialised 17ft Paladins PER individual Hell to do a mission and they have irreplacable gear and holy relics now lost to hellish forces. Out of the 12 made, 3 has fallen and one has been REDACTED so that leaves 8 to last the war.
Also, American continent is not discovered in the TC setting yet so who knows how big the heretic's powerbase really is.

If the girl is pretty much retarded, isn't any sex with her a form of abuse?

Real life

retards can't have sex on their own accord

B-but video games

Game

We are evil faction, our entire existence is to make you suffer.

This waste of resources to burn and destroy everything doesn't make sense so like, uhh we actually eat souls or feed off your suffering!

You do know that in Christianity the demons temp mankind to sin because they're jealous that god loves humans better despite being inferior and this is to basically "prove him wrong" like when a white girl fucks black men to get back at daddy.

Like, the entire "nightmare suffer parasite" thing games keep pulling out of their ass isn't even accurate to religion.

I personally am not religious, but to me faith is best presented when it is ambiguous if there is divinity.

Not familiar with the Trench Crusade lore besides having checked out the original illustrations a couple years back.
If "God" is actually present and actively participating, that is very lame and actually goes against a "gray morality" narrative pretty hard.
Because if "God" is real then all the people siding with forces of "Hell" come of as complete lunatics.
While if "God's presence" was ambiguous and only presence of him was faith and the occasional miracle where you can not tell:

was it God coming down and helping us, or was it our faith in God that pushed us onwards?

it is much easier to "justify" why people would throw in with the nightmarish horrors as a result of desperation and belief that there is no good alternative.

If I am wrong on how Trench Crusade presents things, correct me, but as someone who had a light passing interest in the setting seeing that map deflated it all because of how underwhelming it was.
I personally would have taken inspiration from Medieval European maps that show a very distorted and limited world and played it straight.
Write it from the perspective of people living in it the world, not from someone looking into the world.
Explain it away with how if people draw current and geographically accurate maps, they show demons where to go.
You could play with the perception of the world a lot, but they just took a map of Europe+ and turned some of the Muslim territory over to Hell

Shut up and finish your shitty series Martin.

The problem is that it's all atheists with a juvenile understanding of religion that creates these universes.
You're never going to get someone of any religion, that's religious create a universe like this. These universes self select for writers with reddit atheist comprehensions of both the world and faiths.

All women are retarded though.

God is probably real even though the creators wouldn't commit but Templars really really fucked up by opening the hell gate in Jersulam on their own ~1000 year ago. The fact that the Muslim empire survived and become stronger than their IRL counterparts by leagues due to Allah's intervention is pretty much proof that he exists and those kids are the favoured one.

There is tangible super-powers (down to a science actually) that can be accessed through extreme displays of faith for Christians. Think Blasephemous setting basically for Christians. Saints regularly communicate God's plan back to the living faithful but Angels and actual divine power are extremely rare but decisively shit on the forces of Hell.

So basically, God is real, omnicient and fucking powerful but can't do microscale and basically is waiting for Armageddon to get shit done and lend aid indirectly. Actual demons and hellord are willing hiding in their pits to avoid escalting shit to those levels so the entire event of TC so far is just a lunch break brawl.

QRD?

humanity has descended into eating canned corpses of their own

99.9% of the population lives on the floor of the megafactory they're forced to work at and will never in their entire lifespan ever see anything more than that

but this is good because demons exist

Even the writers for this gay shit are pushing morally grey btw.

The singlular writer is the artist, noones pushing shit, point to the woke shit anon. Everything in game has avoided modernism so far because everything is just "what looks cool, oh yea, I have to write lore for this" from an artist. The heaven forces are literally fighting hell, they are not morally gray for doing everything in their power to fight literal hell.

From the perspective of those that arent hell aligned, those fighting hell are the good guys. From the perspective of those fighting for hell, they are trying to destroy what is good and know they are the evil and embrace it as an afront to what is good. Like, it outright states that you have to be a complete degenerate or mass killer who rapes etc to be accepted into the hell ranks, these arent defintiviely not morally good or gray, they are bad, those fighting against them are not morally gray just because they decided to put their head on a spike after killing them. Theres a faction that has made a point of "loving" pigs and using the offspring as soldiers as an unsult to god and creation and go around spreading their message that god isnt shit, that is all they are doing, just trying to make people realize that degeneracy is truth, the 2 sides in this war are not the same anon.

It is not morally gray just because you kill evil so hard it starts to regret its actions, see Doomguy.

Which one makes more sense?

Theists: There is some kind of plan to all this

Atheists: You see, the world around you is this logically laid out because of a combination of accidents, each with probability of 10^(-63)

Theres nothing to say, some schizo on twitter complained that the map was "eurocentric white supremacist" because most of the factions are european, and the anti woke who root for the games downfall said "see, this is what happens when you court the woke audience instead of us, this game is fucked lol" but all of them used the exact same posts from this one random nobody and ignored how everyone in the replies just called the person a retard and moved on. Its fucking nothing, I have no idea why people want this IP to fail so.

There is a chance that if I roll a thousand D20s they will all land on specifically the number 5. If I show you footage of it happening 10 times in a row your first instinct will be to say the dice are loaded and specifically made or have external influence.
What you haven't seen is the quintillion past attempts at it where the phenomena didn't occur, because you are only allowed to see the instance in which it did happen.

I don't claim that the latter is impossible. Just saying that, to me, God logically has a higher chance of being the answer than "it just happened by itself lol"

Ever heard of god works in mysterious ways ?
of course you dont understand the bigger picture plan when you are but a ant
you will be proven wrong eventually and suffer for all an eternity

Gnosticism is satanic.

This. The OT also makes Jews really mad.

It seems I might have to read into the setting because that map really screwed with my perception.
The art implies everything is fucked, then there are posts like this but you look at the map they showed and none of its comes through.
I'll post the map so other know what I am seething about a bit.

Didn't capitalize God

Better luck next thread false flagging libtard

So does this logic work on everything? Innocent children suffering greatly even if they're baptized? Horrible atheist people being world leaders?
Just curious lol.

Just saying that, to me, God logically has a higher chance of being the answer than "it just happened by itself lol"

Because our instinct is to assume this is the one and only attempt existence had at producing us, since we are literally not allowed to see or know if previous ones were made, how they were made, and how many times they were tried under random circumstances.

That's all free will. One thing I refuse to believe is that God is an all-present nanny. Predestination always was stupid and Calvin is a hack.

It's weird that people jump to such conclusions based on a map like this.

Pretty sure that post was referring to 40k.

children dying of horrible diseases

Huh, gotta be free will.

Praise be!

which one makes more sense

Reality doesn't care about your inflated sense of self, stop thinking with your feelings.

So God just happened by itself?

humans neglect sanitation

humans invent bio labs

Yes it is.

Stop ignoring your feelings you dense fuck. You think you will magically become wiser if you straight up ignore a part of your mind?

My church friend says that god lets evil happen because if our lives were too good then we'd forget all about him like it happened previously with the jews in the old testament.
So basically innocent children need to be bombed and get cancer or else little Timmy in the US won't go to church on Sundays.

every disease is man made

Now you're just objectively wrong.

We have fresh drone gore fucking daily for last three years anon, we absolutely do known what it is like. Except hd war made it way fucking worse somehow, people glee at it like it is a bloodsport.

Shalom, rabbi.

Read the first part again.

Ok that's hilarious. These people really are either complete morons or don't give a fuck.

It's the other way around.
First came the art work as part of an art project with no defined goal other than to express a particular aesthetic.
Then a couple years later some people decided to turn it into a tabletop game, and then recently this map was released.
And this map is what goes against previously established things that paint an extremely grim world.

you think you’re being clever but you haven’t ever had to live in a country where Christian morality is the norm

You can get deadly diseases or something equivalent with perfect sanitation. It's just a roll of the dice if your kid is fucked or not.
Where's the free will in this?

Normies always envision themselves as the hero. They will never be the one on the receiving end.

Thank Darwin for that! If somebody lived according to the Bible, he would be a heinous criminal on every country on the planet.

The free will is when Adam and Eve decided to rebel against God and try to take creation's reigns themselves. Disease exists precisely because humanity isn't as good as God at it, yet this is what humanity chose.

there are literal demon outbreaks that require huge amounts of resources and manpower to handle, driving humanity into desperation

well yeah but most of this map is a light colour so, uhh, what the big deal really?

The people jumping into conclusion must have not read the lore.

I misspelled, meant to say “isn’t”

don't know good or evil

do a thing

Hey, that's evil! t. G*d

You're getting too powerful, I'm throwing you out from Paradise!

There was no rebellion. God just got scared.

Ahh, I see. So the logic is that god is an unforgiving vindictive asshole. Got it.

Yet you wrote it the right way. No country on this planet operates on "christian morality".

Terms of service: don't eat the apple

ate the apple

WTF WHY AM I BANNED!!

free will doesn't mean you get to control reality, how the fuck do you make this jump in logic?

let me pretend to know about something I don't

You don't understand God. You don't even understand parenting.

No, he's just scared. That's also the reason he destryed the tower of Babel. Couldn't even beat chariots of iron, the weakling.

Not anymore, which is why the first world is starting to look more like the third world every day

old testament

Kill goys and build a pile of foreskins taken from their corpses

new testament

can rape and kill anyone and avoid punishment because you believe really hard you are forgiven by a jew

Religion of peace btw

That's all of Humanity bro. No America, Australia and Asia's probably half corrupted. The holy forces estimate that the Heretics control at least 1/3rd of known lands that doesnt' include above.
The worst part of the setting is knowing that God doesn't have a stake to intercede. There won't be any salvation until the appointed time of Armagendon and he'll just wipe the slate clean again and start over in the worst case that the last human is dead.

Read And then Then try again.

feelings tell us what's meaningful to us personally, not necessarily what's objectively true, grow up

Kek.

You need to know good from evil to understand what terms of service even means. This is the same as placing an infant in an unsupervised situation and then get eternally mad at it when it breaks shit.

try what? you're fucking retarded, complaining about disease is like complaining about being preyed on

Don't you tell me I don't know parenting!
Just the other day my son ate a cookie, my trad wife made out of scratch, before supper and I threw his ass out just like god did.

Yet irl it's the opposite that happens. The more the country pretends to follow a theistic moral framework, the bigger shithole it is.

I’m not talking about a generic theistic moral framework, I’m talking about Christianity

You're in a topic where not a single side has an objective answer. Of course atheists like to pretend they're objective, but they have zero answers too. Atheism is walking away from the question.

Understanding what the underlying argument is, you dingus. The point made was that disease and child suffering is about free will somehow and I was questioning it. Now go be a pissy mongoloid somewhere else.

For demons they divorced the idea of God, Heaven and most of Christian identity from the idea of demons.
Most likely so demons can fit into their own fantasy world with their own gods and afterlife. This is fine, fantasy should be able to meld, mutate and change things (it would be pretty boring if their was only a single type of dwarf, elf or orc).
Hack writers use this wiggle room of "demon is just a red human with horns" and return to using heavy Christian aesthetics to rebel against their parents because they made him go to church 25 years ago.

That includes Christianity, retard. You're not special. The fact is your claim is not backed up by data.

modern vidya Satan worshipping baby eating rapedemons of murder are just "misunderstood" and "not as bad as the other factions"

Trench Crusade would have been better if rather than demons invading it was actually the rapture and and humanity was just stubbornly fighting against it every step of the way. Fighting for their right to survive for all the wrong reasons.

Don't insult pissy mongoloids like that!

Yep
Left is the first one to try and defer blame by going

it's dey culture it's dey biology

Then paint these beings as all being neat clones acting universally evil because they're too retarded and sheltered to recognize that you dont feel bad for wild hogs since "they cant help being" destructive menaces, you instead cull them as efficiently as possible

That's fair. I'm sorry pissy mongoloids.

Australia and Asia are corrupted? How did the demons get all the way there?

not backed up by data

first world: all originally white Christian countries with the exception of Japan

every other shitskin religion: shitholes where the greatest achievement is getting out

but let me guess, it doesn’t count because it doesn’t come in an (((peer-reviewed))) article published in some scientific magazine

Western society must by default understand the Barbarian. As they are the Barbarian of today in real. They raid the third world of it's resources in ways it can't defend itself. They are the vikings of today. The only difference is that they don't fight with bows and spears, but with diplomacy and money, the advanced weapons of a complex tribal society. Neo-feudalism is coming, are you ready?

this nibba doesn't even know what First World means

still tries to lecture about politics and morality

lol
lmao even

Underrated post. Heathens itt will never understand.

mincing words

I accept your concession

Morality comes from God.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthyphro_dilemma

There is a chance that if I roll a thousand D20s they will all land on specifically the number 5. If I show you footage of it happening 10 times in a row your first instinct will be to say the dice are loaded and specifically made or have external influence.

What you haven't seen is the quintillion past attempts at it where the phenomena didn't occur, because you are only allowed to see the instance in which it did happen.

Actually, western civilization was built on Roman ideas of religion, law and empire building. Everything you have today is because of Christianity (Among other things).

Atheism has nothing. It's not traditional, cannot provide justifications for anything and is in part why the world seems completely insane today.

life is just that part of Civilization games when other countries have nukes and diplomacy but other players still have barbarians and wooden ships

It's, it's true.

You gave up at the first step? Sad.

Thats actually sounds pretty cool.

The west went from seeing the evil as a monster to seeing it as a shadow form of itself. "We must be better, yet we can't change our barbaric nature, when there are distant people to exploit."

they hated him because he spoke the truth

gave up what? you got btfo by the empirical results of two thousand years of christian civilization building itself up to be the apex of human achievement that no one can rationalize away even if they're olympic gold medalists in mental gymnastics
you're already dead and buried

They hated him because he was a facetious wankstain.

they're no

wants kill

Kill yourself for reposting this retarded ESL shit

the chance of something happening is really small therefore it just would never happen

Thats why half this board is filtered by nuXCOM to this day.

Correct, man made the choice to recognize his nakedness, shed his ignorance, and thus leave Eden where he lived in peace with all life. No one forced his hand to consume the fruit of knowledge

Atheism is not a world view, idiot.

Also nice job admitting most froms of modern christianity is just a spawn of roman culture and moulded by it, stripped from anything that didn¨'t fit the roman ethos. It's not a foundation of anything, just another brick in the wall of History.

Neo-feudalism is coming, are you ready?

Techno-feudalism more like. AI leads the creative pursuits and matters of the immortal soul and the human element will toil and die to line dishonored paupers graves. You have never owned anything and happiness is no longer a concept fit for mortal consumption.

So you're into uselessitarianism instead?

It's how Canada can create a universal healthcare system in the vain attempt to give affordable healthcare to all its citizens, fail massively, then deem that it would cause less overall harm if they just started killing said citizens for whom it would be more expensive (thus harmful to the state) to even attempt to heal.

This is a good thing.

It's not a system that even remotely promotes any kind of good ethics, but plenty of short term justifications for incredibly morally dubious actions.

No, it's not. Usefulness is good, useless parasite.

Well put, thank you.

You can't just throw words like "empirical" around if you don't know what they even mean, child. Come back after you finish middle school.

it's not about pretending to have all the answers, it's about acknowledging the limits of our knowledge.

but they have zero answers too. Atheism is walking away from the question.

Stop coping, if you can't handle uncertainty that doesn't mean your feelings are right.

Centralized authorities are always a plague on the individual. Organized religion lets people coast through life without ever actually thinking about life lessons or philosophy, being manipulated by some retard who's barely more learned than him, nationalized militaries have the dumb but well meaning grunt be used as fodder for a officer class that only wants to pin another medal on their chest but cannot be beaten. The authority always has its own interest first and the ignorant citizen is abused by thinking otherwise

If morals are just what i make them its not wrong to murder and you cant prove otherwise

Can someone explain to me how people can argue for a worldview that both does not answer fundaments and still wants to convert people into being anti-traditional?

Simple "I don't know" is always preferable to making up an answer.

retard thinks they aren't symbiotic

You're in a topic where not a single side has an objective answer.

Of course transphobes like to pretend they're objective because of biology, but they have zero answers too.

Transphobia is walking away from the mystery of gender expression

Kill yourself, troon. I AM better than you, it's not even hard.

[The cause didn't like that]

Atheism is not a world view. Most atheists aren't interested in "converting" people. It's just fun to point out when people don't stand on firm epistemological grounds. Where that leads people is none of our business.

world

logically laid out

wrong

Which is also why destroying the level of education is a benefit in the ruling classes book.

Dumb esl poster

How is atheism not a worldview
Atheists don't have an interest in converting people yet they clamor on about how great it would be if people simply did not go to Church every week

World

logically laid out

But "we're committing all of our resources to this needlessly cruel task out of jealousy" doesn't make sense either. Like on an individual level sure people will do that but it doesn't make sense to have an entire faction dedicating resources to this, to have long term plans to do this.
That might be what the Bible says but it's just as dumb, or even dumber than "we feed off your pain and misery". That at least introduces a resource gain.

Also, you are one to talk! Atheists do not have ANY kind of justification for epistemology.

That only makes it better

Worldview so fragile that questioning it feels like an attack

Nobody's obligated to provide emotional crutches for your existential anxiety.

Tell christians about that.

schizo

Lying snake. Isn't it funny how atheistic societies, like china or all the other failed socialist hellholes, have managed to kill far more people in the last century than all holy wars combined? Or how about the cult of transgenderism? A godless society now says that there's no objective truths, even between a man and a woman. Give me a fucking break.

Because atheism is just a stance regarding one question. Do gods exist. It doesn't define your world view in any other way. You could be an atheist that believes in ghosts or reincarnation, for example. And atheists don't generally care what people do with their free time, no more than theist do for sure.

Making up an answer is an essential first step towards answering any question. Literally a part of the scientific method, which I assume you love enough to put it on a t-shirt.

That's all free will.

Yes, the babytotally 100% chose to be born as a disabled nugget who also has 100% fatal brain cancer that kills them within 3 months.

LITERAL PLAGUES OF HELL THAT TURN YOU INSIDE OUT AND MAKE YOU START KILLING YOUR FRIENDS

and how is that bad? prove it is bad

God is also omnipotent and omniscient and without his will no single demon or witch or sorcerer or whatnot can do anything bad to you yet 80% of christians are retards who believe demons is some evil force working against god whereas in christianity evil is just lack of good (and ultimate good is God, obviously). You can blame gnosticism for that.

Sounds like you have more beef with communism than atheism.

This objectively can't be true since a massive sea separated the West and East and yet they established massive empires.

Unless you are a Deist (Which I am) morality is necessary for a civilization or really any form of pecking order to develop. Even animals know not to bite the hands that feeds it.

41%

Your connotation is wrong. Yes, higher education is good, however the educational systems of the modern west aren't built to actually educate but to create a servile class of soldiers and bureaucrats as originally intended by the Prussians who devised it. Regardless of Zion Don, having less formal (key word) education just means being less indoctrinated to the systems value set. It's easily possible to educate yourself using the vast resources available to more than equal any degree and if the system operated in good faith it would recognize that and allow you to prove it without spending several years and tens of thousands (whether your cash or the tax payer's I.e. you).

Imagine worshiping a jewish fairytale that straight up tells you free will and rational thought are an affront to YHWH. A religion that tells you to kneel before those that seek to destroy you. I cannot imagine being any more cucked than this.

morality comes from man
morality comes from society
morality comes from capital

morality is a spook, it's simply not real. The only true moral argument is a threat of violence. And of course what is God-given morality, if not an unactualizeable threat of violence? And if the threat is empty, how is it real.

Well, no. You make up an hypothesis and then test it. If you can't test a hypothesis, such as that the World was created yesterday and we all just have fake memories, it's not scientific. And that's what god hypothesis is as well. There is always some new gap a potential god can crawl into.

In an old 90s-2000s CRPG genre there would be clear definitions of good and evil

I'm sorry, but what the fuck are you smoking. A lot of CRPGs from that era had grey morality and moral dilemmas as part of their story and or setting.

Isn't it funny how atheistic societies, like china or all the other failed socialist hellholes, have managed to kill far more people in the last century than all holy wars combined?

If atheists did it, it must have been good.

Or how about the cult of transgenderism?

It's a religion. They're on your side.

A godless society now says that there's no objective truths

Godlessness IS objective truth. It's you theists who always pull out fucking solipsism when you're backed into the corner.

failed socialist hellholes,

Jesus was a socialist, btw.

You could be an atheist that believes in ghosts or reincarnation, for example.

No. You can't (If you want to be consistent).
Logically speaking, you cannot be an atheist and believe in supernatural things because atheism presupposes a monist type of naturalism.
Also your idea that denying the existence of God is not a worldview is completely fucking retarded. If God exists then everything you believe revolves around that fact. Just like how if you believe he does not exist, the world through your view must in some way conform to that reality.

I have never once seen anyone complain about Zestiria being good vs evil. It has a ton of other problems that make it shit to play and the writing is very questionable at times. I like Berseria a lot more but that has barely anything to do with the writing. It just doesn't feel like ass to play. I'm sure it's the same for most anons.

They come from the same place lol

You think demons don't whisper to abos and the chinese?
Even in Trench Crusade it is very common and expected that demons intentionally whisper lies to the faithful to try and turn them against God and their fellow man.

Druchii be gone

Demoralized gen xers and millennials can't comprehend what ontological good and evil are, because boomers were very careful to never describe it.

reminder all the christcucks itt are LARPing atheists.
youtube.com/watch?v=UcaDoq44Lag

his blood be upon us and our children

Denounce the Talmud

There is nothing about atheism that demands hard naturalism. The existence of an indifferent deist god doesn't deman you form your life around it. You're just making shit up.

This is idiotic, if there were only 2 people (who were literally married) in Eden, it doesn't make a lick of sense they would feel shame about being naked all the time. I swear only actual subhumans can take this as truth.

Nihilism is gay.

he doesn't know about christian communism

I guess atheism is christian as well, then?

Ah yes, because china invaded and converted neighboring regions in the name of atheism, any other retarded strawman? Aside from trannys that live rent free in your head.

chyna

atheism

Lol
Lmao

Christianity is far more about conformity and control than morality.

And yes that philosophy is absolutely abused by Jews. The US government is currently controlled by a group which constantly preaches about "Judeo-Christian" values. The US constitution enshrines free speech yet is trying to deport people for speaking against Israel. US states outlaw Israeli boycotts. Israel has stolen US military assets and maintains a secret nuclear program which it has threatened to use if anyone comes close to destroying Israel.

It's insane that a religion whose texts say that Jesus is boiling in excrement is able to pull that off, either they truly are as shifty as Hitler said or Christians are just absolutely fucking retarded.

Based

I mean just look at this shit

no, you don't understand. The squid who eats brains is actually your friend. Nevermind he mind raped you and lied

Also

evil empire

The evil empire in question would have to be Wyll's dad, not Gortash.
Also, aren't all the religious groups evil or nutjobs? Shadowheart's group are a bunch of cultists, and I recall the wizad (forgot his name) cursing Mystra and even plotting against her at the end of his arc

this is idiotic, there were only 8 people in the tribe and they were all related, it makes no sense they would feel shame about waving their dangly bits in front of each other all the time

USA was founded by (((Freemasons))), how is it surprising?

You are confusing fantasy with western video games as a whole. Historically Eastern Video Games have always had more gray morality.

grey morality makes for interesting things
you're just talking about shit writers, shit writers will be shit no matter what, tolkien didn't write in white or black either, nor did any popular writer in history, black vs white is the subject of religion, not storytelling

if you can't write interesting grey characters, you can't write interesting characters at all

now that doesn't mean you can't have pure, lawful good characters, or completely chaotic evil ones, a great writer will make those interesting just the same, but 'great' is the keyword here, but if you're a writer for a video game, you're probably not great, or you'd be writing your own novels and making twenty to a hundred times that money in half the effort

also I don't like your post implying that japs (or anything that isn't 'western') are good at writing characters, honestly the amount of good characters coming from either side of the globe these last ten years probably fit in one hand just the same

>modern vidya Satan worshipping baby eating rapedemons of murder are just "misunderstood" and "not as bad as the other factions"

If you read any of the TC lore you'd know that this isn't the case at all.

The creators have made it very explicitly clear that all people who side with Hell and its forces are completely irredeemable lunatics and monsters who have souls as black as the very Hell they side with and they only want to rape, pillage and murder their fellow man and rest of God's creation.
Like to become a hell legionare, aka a lowest bottom rung, chaff member of the legion, you have to first gaze upon and travel to the Hellgate in Jerusalem.
And only way you can survive the ordeal and become a full memeber of the legions, you need to be so of full of sin and be such an unrepenting piece of shit that you don't get burned alive by the Hellgate.

The creators have made it very clear that only types of people who join the heretic legions are pieces of shit that deserve nothing but complete oblivion.

Because of this thread I want to see a "40k/Trench Crusade But It's Woke" setting.

40k/Trench Crusade ARE woke

No I mean the actual fiction of it. Like the Imperium of Man but it's the Collective of Humanity, a fully automated gay and trans space luxury communist society fighting against the demons of the Chud dimension
Where the process of becoming one of the elite combat troopers involves transitioning (no matter which gender you were assigned at birth) and each military campaign starts with a land acknowledgment

Divine right has its benefits desu. Horus and Set learned that lesson the hard way.

Who are the other 6 humans in Eden, how come they are never mentioned?

than all holy wars combined?

Not per capita.

How am I making shit up? There is no internal consistency in your view if you really think like this.
You think people can arbitrarily deny the existence of God but could also accept that ghosts and reincarnation can exist. These things cannot exist in of themselves and people cannot pick and choose what they like to believe.

Anon is the type of guy to get hit with an infected bullet and not tell anyone

I wasn't arguing from the perspective of a nihilist. What if turning evul hyoomans from the inside out is an active moral good?

The question isn't on whether people can be moral without religion, it's about justifying belief in said morals.
Atheists have no justification outside of "it hurty makey feel bad"
Religion has God as the foundation for literally everything.

Correct, everything else is personal ethics based on convenience

You see that kind of satire every now and then but it's rare since right wing conservatism is a much easier and more obvious target.

wrong is something you wouldnt like if it was inflicted upon you
pretty shrimple

Very low-IQ post

Cause grey morality is like crack for idealistic teenagers and millenials refuse to grow up.

Oh I like it, like a version of Omelas

there's more intelligent life in the universe than humanity

somehow just the existence of humanity causes damage to the pan universal psychic gestalt that every other race uses

the only way to repair it is not just to wipe out humanity (which only stops the damage) but to cause active pain and harm to humans - in fact the only way that humanity CAN survive without causing damage is to live in a state of constant pain and fear

I wonder if any fiction has done something like this

Name one?

So that means religious people have no justification outside of "it hurty makey God feel bad"? The only moron here is you.

there has always been one God

nothing else came before and everything after will continue to preach this message going forward

God's morality is how western civilization came to dominance. The loss of it is why things are getting worse.

>there's more intelligent life in the universe than humanity

God

>somehow just the existence of humanity causes damage to the pan universal psychic gestalt that every other race uses

Sin

>the only way to repair it is not just to wipe out humanity (which only stops the damage) but to cause active pain and harm to humans - in fact the only way that humanity CAN survive without causing damage is to live in a state of constant pain and fear

Hell

Humanity in Trench Crusade is 100% on the "good" side because they're fighting hell, occasionally each other. The reason why they're so grimdark is because hundreds of years of unending war tends to change societies to be more brutal overall.

You are all retards who don't understand the words you are using.
Murder is wrong and illegal, without fail.
Killing (people) is legal and correct.
Generally soldiers, police, etc killing people is killing, a random drug dealer killing another over money is murder. You can argue whether something is killing or murder even if the laws say otherwise and be correct in your opinion too.

yeah man this invisible all-powerful sky man told me that you have to cut a piece of your dick off, those are the rules

what? no I can't prove it, it's called FAITH buddy

this is objective morality btw

By what metrics you're saying things "are getting worse"? It doesn't matter if the world burns down while worshipping Jesus, in fact it is the expected outcome.

You see that kind of satire every now and then but it's rare since right wing conservatism is a much easier and more obvious target.

I'm wondering if it would be possible to do it in a way that wasn't just making fun, though.
Like 40K is satire but it does still make being a space marine or imperial guard or whatever cool.
I'm going to be thinking about this for a while.

Humanity in Trench Crusade is 100% on the "good" side because they're fighting hell

This does not follow. They're fighting back against their just punishment.

Western civilization dominated because it rejected christanity in favor of modernism. Places like Japan and India that clung to their traditation declined.

atheists have no justification except this real material thing, unlike us who have this fake supernatural thing

???
dumb frogposter

synagogue of satan took over gaming

just die bro

Green Africans are good!

They kill, rape and eat your family out of LOVE.

love of killing, raping and eating... BUT LOVE!

Never liked Green Africans.

Our (western civ) quality of life is much lower than is was decades ago. A single man could provide for his family with one income with a job that only required highschool. We also had a higher rate of scientific advancement, these days the jumps are smaller and smaller. In a Anon Babble example the difference between the PS2 and PS3 was huge, but PS3 between PS5 is hardly noticable.

Yes.

Western civilization was predominantly Christian until the 1960s, and that's when things started to degrade.

Legality isn't morality and the word murder isn't legalese. And you have the audacity to call others retards. Murder is defined as killing a person with malice aforethought or with recklessness manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life. Soldiers and Police murder people all the time.

I don't think that really works.
If we're assuming the first two things are right (the other races are God, humanity's existence without pain is sin) then in the scenario I posited going to hell is the only way to make God happy, there IS no heaven except the one that mankind makes by fighting off the agents of God (and by ultimately killing God).

Soldiers and Police murder people all the time.

Hello BLM!

religious

One side is Burning Looting and Murdering.
The other just wants to live their life no hurting anyone.

Nothing to do with religion or God.
Some things are just evil, or retarded like you.

if I appeal to Anon Babble jew hating than they’ll believe I’m one of them and do what I want!

And bait comes from (You).

carpet bombing and shock and awe tactics aren't premeditated acts of malice with recklessness manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life.

You just BLM tranny!

Not even close but ignorance is an immovable force I guess.

Yes, it is a legal term. And yes, soldiers and police do murder as well but in general they are killing people who seek to harm them or others.

Probably not. It's hard to make being hypocritical cool. Still, I think you might be able to pull if off if you make then more high elf esque.

I thought this thread was meant to be about Trench Crusade
When's that actually coming out, anyway

The governance of western civilization has been secular since the end of the thirty year war. Christian morality was largely abandoned as a true framework for the entire peak of western civilization.

The strongest argument for existance of any religion being a good thing is that sub 90 IQ animals like this anon not only exist but count in billions. Billions of amoral, fundamentally evil subhumans only held in check by the threat of burning in hell for all eternity.
In that respect, "morality" as the average prole understands it does come from whichever god they worship.

How did they not take over Sicily or espablish a foothold in Southern Italy if their navy is strong enough to take and defend Croatia? Driving them out of there would be the main priority of all of mainland Europe.

People who buy into liberation philosophy and let it go unchallenged eventually become spiritually suicidal nihilists who want liberatino from existence itself. That is why it gives them pause to judge things to the point that they would defend the honor of things that would rape and eat them alive at the same time.

Well miriam-webster claim that you can use it in as a non-legal term as well, but we are just playing with words now when the intended meaning is clear.

And yes, soldiers and police do murder as well but in general they are killing people who seek to harm them or others.

With police? Maybe. In modern warfare civilian deaths outnumber the military ones by several orders of magnitude. The "human shield" excuse is a very recent one. We used not to be that bothered by it in Iraq for example.

and hes speaking about the jew god

Places like Japan that clung to their tradition declined.

Yeah because economic sabotage wasn't a thing that happened to them either. Can't have your vassal state supplanting you by buying out your finacial sector simply because they played the game straight going by the laws of acquisition.

Yeah because economic sabotage wasn't a thing that happened to them either.

the events referenced took place a hundred years prior to what yoyu are talking about

Except free healthcare hasn't failed, problem is that medical lobbies are the worst of the PMCs. The amount of gatekeeping that goes into providing basic medical services is insane. Most of the medical system's strain can be filled by nurses and basic practitioners.

You don't need someone to go to school for a decade to hand out painkillers, anti-biotics, set broken bones or any of that basic shit. There is also fuck all management in medicine from a government perspective. Where as somewhere like Cuba has an infinitely smarter medicine system and invented cancer vaccines. Also society needs to accept that after you hit 60 you are going to die.

The only ones to do it well are Irontower Studio becuase their gray comes from every faction wanting to outpowergrab the other instead of people just being evil cunts for no reason

unironically advocating for not educating and training people who's jobs will be to put others' lives in their care

unironically fucking advocating for CUBA medicine

People are just a little too into the whole culture war thing, shitflinging and getting mad is too addicting to them.

But that wouldn't be grey. It would clearly define straight white people as good and evil. That's just contrarian. Grey would be where all sides kind of make sense.

There's no such thing as "free" healthcare. Unless you aren't paying taxes, you just pay for it through your taxes. Public healthcare is always overburdened by self-destructive people anywhere it's been tried.

So, Anon Babble, would you say pic related is also correct?

Nothing wrong with being a human supremacist. Total Ayy Death is a worthy cause to fight for.

Trench Crusade is entirely carried by its art.
The writing is pantshittingly stupid, and the consumer base even dumber still.
It's for homosexual millennial and zoomer faggots who think they're "media literate" — the bugs are the good guiz akshually types, and whom hate God because they're faggots; also God is an insert for their parents.

The fact the forces of hell hasn't progressed at all in almost a millenium, and the authors's need to explain everything, makes this entire setting read like it has zero intrigue or bite to it. It's very lame.

Christians will tell you religion provides a solid moral framework then spend 2,000 years failing to come to a consensus as to what that moral framework is.

Le smart reddit atheists will tell you that men can be women.

The elves raped the universe, the imperium is actively fighting for their survival.
Cope

Zero reading comprehension

Try reading the post next time? At no point did I say there shouldn't be doctors. I said that the entry level for medicine is purposefully gate kept by the medical lobbies. Also the Cuban medical system accomplishes so much despite the aggression of US economic policies.

The fact the forces of hell hasn't progressed at all in almost a millenium

Because of infighting.
They are demons who all hate one another and only thing they hate more than God is to see one of them try and out perform the others and become more powerful than them.
Demons are all quite literally crabs in a bucket when it comes to mentality.

Unironically yes, I'm not religious but pretty much every single ethic we have about murder, theft, etc. comes from a religion at some point or another.

unironically advocating for fucking Cuba

muh they're being aggressed upon by the evil US!

Move there. Get out. You do not belong where you are.

lmao, learn your fluff, secondary

And Christians will tell me the nigger who stabbed my son to death should be forgiven.

This, video games consume resources to make, only a very small set of people will go for the evil ending, and it likely will cost just as much resources to make as the good ending. So there's no point in making it since it will spend a lot of resources and don't really have a solid return since it is not as marketable as some other features, but once you make it a grey morality thing it becomes a much more valued feature and also more marketable

this dumb nigger never played a single 90s-2000s CRPG

Trench Crusade is a modern IP.

Arguing over the semantics of 'free'

While also being reductive of what government spending is by calling it 'your taxes'

Anon you have no control over your dollar. Also citizens tax dollars aren't the only form of revenue. Only retards or insanely wealthy say shit like 'my tax dollars going to waste' and you aren't insanely wealthy.

if I appeal to Anon Babble racism they won’t know I’m a Reddit tourist

Kek

Someone needs to read Beyond Good and Evil by Nietzsche.

doesn't realise cancer vaxx is a scam

wants to lower human life expectance

idolises cuba

I find no contradiction here. You're canadian aren't you?

You do not belong where you are

lmao I don't live in a shithole like the US champ, we have free healthcare in my country.

I think the ONLY good thing to come out of Avellone being forced to step down from Dying Light 2's development is that his writing would have 100% made the factions morally grey stupid

survivors that are trying to survive

authoritarian order that wants to impose order and safety

raiders that protect their own families

these factions somehow need reasons to fight each other in the middle of a zombie apocalypse that's still ongoing

The writing is still morally grey stupid but a bit less so because there are some people that are actively trying to make things worse rather than factions

Post yfw you're living in Trebizond

You could be saying the same things in 350 AD in Rome but claiming that your pagan pantheon was better than this new christianity thing.

noo you can't use the same faulty logic

you're a reddit tourist

this is shit but so is 90% of black vs white pure morality shit. good writing avoids both and has nuance, I haven't read this thread but I fucking guarantee it's all shitposting about shit media nobody has actually bothered to consume.

admitting that you're a genuine brainlet

Yet humanity with God on their side; with it's overwhelming forces outnumbering demons and former humans 5:1 are incapable of fighting them back.
Fucking contrived and stupid.
Grimdark wank with zero substance.

also God is an insert for their parents.

Because he is and always has been: vide "sky daddy"

That’s the same argument for the existence of law brainlet
They’re both necessary for that reason and for most part they blended together until the (((separation of state and church))) happened so now law is a game to play rather than a set of guidelines on how to behave properly in a society

Women at least exist. You lose.

Cimavax is a scam, ignore the clinical trials!!!

boomers need to live FOREVER

how dare you admire industrious poor people

Not even close to Canadian bud. I do find it hilarious how much hatred and coping there is for stopping people getting access to basic medical services.

State fact

Tranny spergs

Kys tranny retard. The universe belongs to the Imperium.

Yeah I'm a brainlet, and proud.

>these factions somehow need reasons to fight each other in the middle of a zombie apocalypse that's still ongoing

Tribalism, it's sadly inevitable.
Everyone wants the same resources and lot of the time no agreement or compromise can be made.
Also doesn't help that by the time of Dying Light 2 the apocalypse has been ongoing for like couple of decades at least.
So for many people the apocalypse, the constantly survival and brutality is the only thing they know.

Like I get your point, but I do think how DL2 does do the factions is somewhat realistic.

See you in 3 months for your appointment brownoid

Just believe in the fairy tales bro

Did you think people weren’t religious before Christianity? Roman and Greek morality derived almost in its entirety from their religion, and was based around love and duty to family, tribe, city and country, in that order.

Honestly if Universal Healthcare stopped after age 65 and you had to provide your own it would cut costs by probably 90%

The US already has public healthcare, it’s just that instead of paying for young people it pays for senior citizens, by *far* the highest cost group

I don't need to see a doctor lmao, I'm a young dude who looks after himself. Though if I do need to get a script for basic shit I sadly need to seek out a medical professional to gatekeep the system.

you've lived through the last 5 years and yet you still attribute value to muh clinical trials
and muh basic medical services, beyond their ability to kill vast amounts of people. considering you advocate for bumping people off past a certain age or letting them die, I suspect you actually know this is all institutionalised medicine actually achieves.

you are without a doubt vaxxed to the gills and barely sentient. try to elevate yourself, alternatively wait until you're out of your 20s before expressing any more opinions

you've lived through the last 5 years and yet you still attribute value to muh clinical trials

what have the last 5 years done to reduce the merit of clinical trials? Did anything happen?

What would you propose as an alternative to find out whether a treatment works or not?

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The way they went on about it is kinda bad and the only redeeming qualities are that it was just a bunch of people responsible for some, but not all of the serious issues. The way that the Peacekeepers and raiders even arose doesn't make a lot of sense, pretty sure someone would have rung the ethical alarm bell if they started executing starving people for stealing food or if they started killing people for their resources, but I don't remember if there were some good in-lore reasons for why they did that. Their idea of making the survivors "grey" on the other hand involves one scene at the start of the game where they uncharacteristically try to lynch the protagonist for not wearing a band and bullying the shit out of a few of their own, and then suddenly present the protagonist with the "moral dilemma" of choosing between the survivors or the PK. It probably would've been worse with Avellone doing the faction writing, probably would've presented the survivors as throwing independents into zombie pits for their own amusement because they didn't join the survivors or something.

Yet humanity with God on their side; with it's overwhelming forces outnumbering demons and former humans 5:1 are incapable of fighting them back.

Because neither Heaven or Hell are allowed to interfere in the war directly. The demons know that if they were ever to set foot onto earth directly it'd mean God would just instantly smite their ass out of existance entirely.
That's why all heretic forces are made up of mostly of people who became corrupted by Hell and its influence and then horrific mutants.
Also you don't realize that Hell and its legions have access to literal magic and they use that shit to conjure up shit like bullets and other necessary supplies.
It doesn't matter how many people the faithful can throw at the Hell legions when the said legions can just conjure up their own supplies out of nothing.
It is a war of attrition to the most extreme degree.

And God will not interfere directly because the reason why Hell is a problem on Earth to begin with is because the ancient Templars found the original Hellgate 1000 years ago and then as a stupid idea thought it'd be super good idea to open it.
Also we know that Heaven can't directly interfere in any battle because there is a record of an Angel coming onto the Earth one time, a singular lone Angel. Result?
The mere appearance of the SINGULAR Angel quite literally nuked the entire battlefield and incenerated everyone and everything within like 10km radius, both the religious and the damned.

That's my logic. I'd be happy for the medical system to provide basic subsidised medicines like heart meds beyond 65 but it's sad how much old people cling to life.

More interesting than rehashed theism vs atheism arguments, why do redditbrains cut the Sultanate so much slack compared to the Christian faction? Like, sure they hate Dad who made them go to church, but it's not like the Sultanate faction isn't also doing insane shit as well. If you hate religion you probably shouldn't cut those guys any slack.

How is this guy coming along? He never actually had his dick cut off as far as I know so hopefully he can recover.

That's fair.

Don't flatter yourself, you're all the same abrahamist trash

Are you new here? He’s implying the same thing you said

Europeans don't go to church, tho

I do, but:
1. You don't count these occurrences because they don't make you butthurt. In one ear, out the other.
2. When you see these posts, you presume they come from a fellow christian unless explicitly and repeatedly stated otherwise.
3. I was groomed into Catholicism, so I know more about it than aloha snackbarism.

what have the last 5 years done to reduce the merit of clinical trials? Did anything happen?

the clinical trials for the most profitable, widely administered, widely advocated products planet were shams, and the products themselves were the least effective, most damaging in the history of all medicine

What would you propose as an alternative to find out whether a treatment works or not?

the complete destruction and rebuilding from base principles of all scientific and medical institutions following an appropriate reckoning

He never actually had his dick cut off as far as I know so hopefully he can recover.

Who cares? Nobody sane is even attracted to the idea of transitioning to begin with. You want him to make more tranny-repressor goblins?

I'm talking about the game chief. Trench Crusade.

Anon your reading comprehension is terrible and your own opinions on healthcare are insanely inconsistent. You aren't above anyone and no one needs to 'elevate' themselves to your level.
I never said to 'bump off old people', though should that matter since you hate medicine so much? I don't think everyone should be vaxxmaxxed, I think the government can provide life saving surgeries for children and working age adults without making them enter generational debt.

I don't know anything about it.

the most profitable, widely administered, widely advocated products

This is not true, but surely you have evidence to support your claim.

the clinical trials [...]were shams

This is also not true, but surely you have evidence to support this claim as well.

the products themselves were the least effective, most damaging in the history of all medicine

They do not even make top 5, even if your idea (evidence please) of how damaging they were was true.

the complete destruction and rebuilding from base principles of all scientific and medical institutions following an appropriate reckoning

So, how does this help us find out if treatments work or not? I am confused what the benefit of this would be.

I do

No you don’t.

HE WAS SUPPOSED TO MUTILATE HIMSELF STUPID GOY

**Grey Morality in Modern Video Games**

The trend of incorporating grey morality in modern video games can be attributed to several factors. One reason is the desire to create more complex and nuanced storytelling. By blurring the lines between good and evil, game developers can encourage players to think critically about the game's world and characters.

However, this approach can sometimes lead to **overemphasis on moral ambiguity**, making it difficult for players to distinguish between right and wrong. This can be frustrating, especially in games where clear moral definitions were once present.

**Possible Explanations for this Trend**

* Game developers may be influenced by real-world issues, such as the complexity of human nature and the difficulty of making absolute moral judgments.
* The rise of indie game development has led to a focus on more personal, experimental storytelling approaches, which can include grey morality.
* Players' expectations and preferences may be shifting, with some seeking more mature, thought-provoking experiences that challenge their moral assumptions.

**Notable Examples of Grey Morality in Video Games**

* The Witcher series: Players must navigate a world where moral choices are often unclear and can have unintended consequences.
* The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim: The game's main quest involves a complex struggle between different factions, each with their own motivations and moral ambiguities.
* The Mass Effect series: Players must make difficult choices that impact the game's story and characters, often with no clear right or wrong answer.

Would you like me to elaborate on any of these points or provide more examples?

Redditors seethed for 40 replies because it's true

Neither does anyone else in this thread clearly. Which is weird, since it's ostensibly the topic of the thread. But it's more annoying that you replied to my post without reading it properly and realizing I was talking about the game, despite using the game's terminology.

This means you're retarded.

I don’t come to Anon Babble for video games, I come to Anon Babble so can repeatedly fail at astroturfing it with reddit talking points

Anon why would he have evidence? He is anti-evidence. Like you can argue covid vax didn't go through proper clinical trials, you can argue that certain parts of medicine are bad but retards like this will pretend removing a brain tumor in a baby is a negative procedure because moloch worshiping billionaires will eat it or some bullshit, while also hating poor people despite being poor.

Atheism is a Jewish invention and exists solely to try to undermine Christianity

Probably because it's "le current year", but make no mistake what the Iron Sultanate does is pure heresy as well.
It might be heresy with good intentions but it is heresy none the less.

I personally like both the christians and the muslim factions, because I like how the creators show as to how extreme lenghts both of these groups have gone in this millenia long war just to survive.

Christians were the first atheists, actually.

Is there a trench crusade vidya yet?
The closest thing is Countrycide and Lifeweb so far

I come to Anon Babble for some video games and to dab on christtrannies and other delulu theoids. This thread is for the latter.

This is not true, but surely you have evidence to support your claim.

name a single medical product mandated in the same way in this same period

This is also not true, but surely you have evidence to support this claim as well.

unblinded control group for 'ethical' reasons
product meant to bring a pandemic under control later admitted to not have any testing relevant to transmission

They do not even make top 5, even if your idea (evidence please) of how damaging they were was true.

45% increase above mean deaths among working age adults, multiple standard deviations beyond the norm. human life cost is in the millions. why would you care though, you literally advocate end care pathways for anyone over 60.
same guy who probably thinks the world needed to be shut down for a disease which killed people of median age 83

So, how does this help us find out if treatments work or not? I am confused what the benefit of this would be.

recreates a working epistemology for humanity as opposed to a completely broken one for retards and robber barons
you're the 'you admitted you love lies!' guy making up more headcanon to hate me without understanding why, aren't you lmao

all those seething (you)s

The "map" makes more sence when you realise it's leftists identifying with evil again and believe the "good guys who are fighting a losing battle" are the demons.

No.
Probably wont be for a long long time.
As an IP it is extremely young.

meant also for

spot on m80

Grey morality is more interesting, immersive and cooler than LE GOOD VS BAD.
Real life is morally grey too.
The good VS evil system is too simple and boring and only liked by Anon Babbleincel nazis who wanna self insert as "le good paladin who slays all evil".

name a single medical product mandated in the same way in this same period

A mandate does not imply "most profitable", "most widely administered" or "most advocated for".

unblinded control group for 'ethical' reasons

evidence?

product meant to bring a pandemic under control later admitted to not have any testing relevant to transmission

but that is not what the product was meant to do? If you disagree provide evidence.

45% increase above mean deaths among working age adults, multiple standard deviations beyond the norm

evidence?

recreates a working epistemology for humanity as opposed to a completely broken one for retards and robber barons

but we need to know now if treatments work or not
also, how?