"Religion Bad"

Chaos won because of this, cope.

I still can't find the original or an audio version of this. The vid was scrubbed from the internet. Archives have a mute one.

OP only know find out 40k writing is fucking garbage

more news for retards at 11, stay tunned

The only thing chaos won is big green cock up their asses, courtesy of Grimgor Ironhide.

youtube.com/watch?v=fPUOT46ucrk

Chaos won, the world ended. Cope. Archean the Thot patroller won.

wow it's almost as if wh40k is a satire of fascism

Uh oh,
This will trigger pol chuds.

the emperor, all 6 or 12 foot of him, enters his golden palace, radiating his golden aura that makes everyone perceive him slightly differently and speaks in a booming voice that shakes all present to their core "I'M NOT A GOD OR ANYTHING GUYS DON'T WORSHIP ME, MAKE ME LOTS OF BIG GOLDEN CASTLES BUT LIKE IT HAS TO BE AGNOSTIC"

It's less gripping though. He's just a dude who's pretty alright and mostly did his job properly.

There's a running theme that The Emperor just might be the dumbest motherfucker to ever be spawned from Holy Terra

You mean the authors had to bail him out. Archaon did not win on his own, he has to share that trophy, like a bitch.

Well, he was a turk.

Why didn't he make the space marines female and call them sex marines and instead of having them fight the enemies of the imperium they'd fuck the enemies of the imperium

"HE LOOK LIKE GOD!!!!!1!1!1"

"So will you follow your god commendment and will not worship him, not build temple, and follow his holy book (imperial truth)?"

"Ummmm.... No."

Religios = Retarded

You can already see them seething lmao

Laugh at this imperial faggot and his fake gay god

All of that goes away if you just don't read the horus heresy series. He's just a mysterious figure otherwise, without being filtered through 50 goddamn books of daddy issues and reddit atheism.

That was really only Lorgar, though the Emperor could have handled that better.

Allies with non-Humans

Sounds like a fag.

appears on your battlefield engulfed in a blinding golden halo

touches your destroyed tank

the damaged metal heals before your eyes

"I am not a god"

the corpse of the local nun begins vibrating and stands up flanked by glorious angel wings

leaves

no bro he’s a god

why?

um he looks like one

how do you know what a god looks like

because I was told

and who told them?

uhhh

kills you if you even have the wrong opinion

why do lefties shit on this again?

um he looks like one

also he's an unkillable force who literally gets fed human souls to keep people living a normal life

uh remind me again why he is considered a god?!

also he's an unkillable force who literally gets fed human souls to keep people living a normal life

so he’s like a psyker?

uhhhh well uhhh

A-age of Sigmar bad!

Out ye go, secondary, out of the window

I dunno what sorts of psykers you've seen that are unkillable

He did not demand your faith.

You fags always have to lie, because the Emperor did absolutely nothing wrong in his life. He only even formed the Imperium at all as a temporary measure to resolve the greatest crisis to ever face humanity. Same with the demi humans; a temporary solution that he was planning to eliminate, all at great expense to himself, purely out of love for (You).

My wife Aqua is such a great girl, the best girl.

Even as a zomby goast he's the most powerful psyker in the galaxy. If the Ecclesiarchy exists it's because he allowed it to. Even Guilliman didn't bother abolishing it when he returned.

What was he in such a rush for anyways?
Chaos was there, sure, but given that majority of its forces are of his own making, that can't be it
Xenos? Other than Rangaba or whatever the fuck, didn't seem like an immediate threat, and even those showed up well into the crusade
His handling of his sons also left a lot to be desired, especially the likes of Angron and Lorgar, there was also his secrecy that, quite frankly, he had no reason on having since there wasn't exactly any actor that would realistically pose a threat to him, before the heresy what did Chaos Gods have? Erebus? Lorgars dad?

He expected to be able to move humanity into his webway, but that big fat red retard ruined absolutely fucking everything.

Literally and canonically the amalgamation of every great leader humanity has ever had

still gets criticized, backseated, and generally shit on constantly

says a lot about us desu

Mind you, said fat retards future job was powering said webway
Naturally he didn't tell him about it, or that there is such a project to begin with
For no discernible reason

Different settings.

mogs you philosophically, culturally, morally and religiously

invents religion worshipping the emperor despite emperor hating being considered a god

state religion of the imperium was written by him, a traitor

In all of fiction, I can't think of a man who won harder than Lorgar.

I like his religious debate in the book

"Religion is bad because it has killed millions of people!"

Proceeds to kill untold trillions of people.

What he did tell the big red fuckup retard is not to fuck with the warp, and it's the first thing he did in a rabid red nerd fucktard stupor.

i want a culexus gf

It is shit. You can deny it, but it's bland, boring and has idiotic naming conventions. Every person with working braincells will call the setting mediocre.
There's too many high fantasy settings and this one took place of the one setting that had multiple fantasy genres + historical elements that made it stand out.
Sorry but Landsknechts and Peasants >>> Shit >>> Fantasy Space Marines.

Nah I disagree, you are just a fakegrog in denial who uses memes from fucking 2015

because it's okay when he does it and this is not irony

Says the one who buys everything without any critical thought from his corporate overlords.

spend 30,000 years making sure every human religion is stamped out

become a God yourself

use this new gained power to go into hell and hold back demonic false gods from taking over humanity

If he had allowed freedom of religion humans would've died long ago

You make a lot of assumptions about me, but no I am mostly interested in specialist games like Warcry and Kill Team
Not Underworlds tho, too weird for me

This gets pointed out to him directly and he literally says it's ok "because I am right."

ignores Archaon's pleas for answers at his greatest hour of need

Even without End Times cancer this was retarded

Yeah, won so hard that he's hiding in a cuckshed so Big Bird doesn't give him swirlies.

Atheist

Creates crusades

Will kill you if you don't pledge your loyalty to him

Wears god-like armor

Fights demons with knights that use holy weapons

His cities have gothic cathedral architecture

Is the Emperor retarded?

Holy shit I love big E

you will never live to see the DAoT in all it's 20k glory

Terrifies the cum out of you

That was the idea when the Imperium was still written as a pants-shittingly retarded regime that was needlessly cruel just for the sake of it. But now that we have Cawl's BS tech-heresy unfucking the setting and bigger space marines, it's becoming far less of a parody of fascism.
Current edition 40k rests HARD on the laurels of that which came before it. If this was a new IP unto itself, it would burn and die hard like Trench Crusade did.

thinks this is good

I like how they not only replaced the grounded fantasy world with this winds of magic planes bullshit, but they ditched all the old gods that were inspired by pagan mythology and had a bunch of the lore characters from the old setting ascend as the incarnate gods of each wind of magic instead because they've obviously been reading Brando Sando.

This is almost as bad as the island from the attempted (failed) Bionicle reboot.

He literally wields a flaming fucking sword and every other one of his giant soldiers are called angels.

like Trench Crusade did.

Really, as far as I know people seem to enjoy it.

Also contributes the imagery and memes that gets a white supremacist conservative nationalist religious authoritarian despot voted as the "god emperor" of the united states in the real world

Seldom has fictive character failed themselves so massively.

gets possessed by an evil crown

What's wrong with that?
Precisely because of these, The Emperor is a living testament to flaws of religion – the same way femboys absolutely destroy gender ideology and why troons hate femboys.

This but unironically

and why troons hate femboys

???

It's an automated Anon Babble bot blendering whatever is in its training data. Pay it no mind.

They revealed themselves to be woke control freaks a while back, killed what following they could have gained by banning anyone they thought was too normal.

The problem is that you don't want people to view you as a God yet you do all of these things.

leaves an empire that's still going strong 10,000+ years later

vs

leaves an empire that explodes along with the rest of the world only 2,500 years later

Empy wins, sugmarcucks seething

This sounds like a success to me. White is right, brownie.

They really do. Sorry for not having anything salient on the subject, but be on lookout and you might notice.
Emperor can have a flaming sword and a golden armor, that still doesn't make him a god. This is why theists hate this idea so much.

It just would have been a gritter version of Star Trek

Explains why he has a golden halo and uses religious symbols everywhere and how that's supposedly antitheistic?

The halo was just a psychic helmet to ward off bullets.
Religious symbols were added to the records by church revisionists.

Bretonnians being in any place to talk about worshipping fake gods

To be fair, the emperor didn't start the imperial cult. That happened after he was put in the golden throne and no longer had any say in the matter. It was kind of like George Washington saying "No political parties" then after he died the US went against his wishes and made political parties.

I mean, the leader now is Roboute Guilliman, who is at least trying not to be a racist fascist asshat

Your fake and gay god never blessed your frail warriors with *any* power unlike The Lady with her Grail Knights

HONHONHONHONHONHON

t. lowborn cur

I am so glad the imperium is now led by someone not trying to be a bigot, WE MUST BE BETTER MON'KEIGH

and ze lady had an actual plan for the brets in a new world before that jobber belakor fucked everything up

The Lady isn't fake.

I'll follow whatever faith lets me bang Xeno girls. The Imperial cult ain't it.

Do people making posts like this know nothing about 40K?
The Emperor knew that gods are real and that he has the potential to become one as well. He imposed his Imperial Truth on humanity specifically to weaponize their atheism against chaos
He didn't make that demand out of his own conviction but as a calculated move against his greatest enemies

I think OP wants to discuss about 40k lore because Anon Babble is a shill cesspit

half of his "empire" doesn't even worship his retard god

his god just watches and laughs as thousands die without lifting a finger

but *might* help in battle with a single shitty spell or two if he has a priest sucking his cock hard enough

Look him, look at him and laugh
youtu.be/UFOLZTVle6w?si=REepFU3CM1U6qh9_

Cheerful reminder for everyone present that the 'Chaos gods' aren't actually gods.
They're the equivalent of the radiation left over post Chernobyl if it were animated and had gay, malevolent intentions.

You're not siding with the divine. You're letting not-even-sentient ass-cancer infect you from another dimension.

When the Emperor says 'There are no gods', it wasn't a lie, it was a statement of fact.

they are god likes like him Fabius

Humans always need religion, the Emperor is divine for true divines reject their divinity.

Only a god such as the Emperor would embark on a great crusade to unite humanity under one banner - the Imperium. He brings light to the eternal darkness of the void and hope to those who have faith.

God-likes

No such thing.
What, do you think toddlers should be engaging in human sacrifice to the Teacher or some shit? After all, teacher brings Nap Time at least rather than giving you SuperAIDS.
The Chaos Gods don't need worship, they need decontamination procedures, which is what the Imperial Truth was an attempt at.

And don't get me started on 'Oh, b-bwut the cwusades, muh Xenonorities, it's a heckin' wacism ;_;'
Progs who put their beak in on 40K might be some of the most dense material known to humanity, we shouldn't be listening to these people, we should be using them as supermaterials to build a space elevator.

Khorne is the only Truth.

gork and mork are the best gods

If that furry retard Leman Russ hadn't chimped out and returned Magnus to Earth like the Emperor told him to Magnus would have likely have sat the Golden Throne and held the Webway portal shut voluntarily as penance for his mistakes.

Orks in general are the best faction.
These guys just enjoy themselves while everyone else suffers to various degrees

He literally wields a flaming fucking sword

So do the Salamanders.

every other one of his giant soldiers are called angels

Yeah and Salamnders are all lizards right?

Magnus the Red.

ok sure

Last thing girlyman needs is another religious civil war dividing the Imperium again

low IQ take.

I AM NOT A GOD! STOP WORSHIPPING ME!

then we will worship other gods! like the Chaos Gods!

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. DONT.

im gonna!

IF YOU DO I WILL HAVE TO KILL YOU.

see?!?! Emperor bad! Emperor bad! lets worship Chaos!

Implying Emps doesnt have a master plan and wont eventually destroy chaos. And no, the HH novels arent canon.

If 40k writers weren't retarded they would lean into this hard, but alas.

-radiating golden giant who demands absolute faith or else kills you

Yes, religion is fucking bad outside it's a religion like the Nazis.

Tzeentch literally trapped his soul in the Celestial Wind tho. He couldn't help Archaon, it was all just as planned

blueberry belly

She better have that Big Bush too, for the greater good.

HH novels arent canon.

they're probably the most canon of all canons.

Emp wanted the best for humanity, and the only way to get that is a socialism system like the Nazis had or China has now. There's no place for religion in a system where you see humanity as the pinnacle of everything.

He did everything right except about how he dealt with few of his sons.

I FUCKING LOVE WARHAMMER 40,000 DAWN OF WAR II: RETRIBUTION THE LAST STAND GAME MODE

it was a fun game mode
I enjoyed it more than the skirmish in DoW2

Humanity is nothing but a creation of Khonre. You are borned to bleed, you are borned to die.

OG Emperor was a messianic figure who saved mankind from its darkest hour.

Faggotoids have turned him into fedora tipping wizard double-Hitler who couldn't complete one of those which shape goes into which hole puzzles because they're incapable of writing a compelling story where the characters aren't all shit people embroiled in their own personal dramas

youtube.com/watch?v=AkcL6wzCJl8

The Emperor is a product of war. At the end. Khorne is his creator.

never touched last stand
Should I bother installing DOW2 just to play it?

The Horus Heresy spin-off really didn't do him any favors. Although he wasn't even the worst character assassination in that series

absolutely, it's a fucking blast

I will say, the fact that the Horus Heresy can be boiled down to 'This is the worst #womanmoment of all time' is still really fucking funny.
Imagine strong black female (I'm not even going to bother looking up her name) trying to explain to Angron what she did and why she did it.

specifically install DOW2 Retribution, that's were all the playerbase for The Last Stand is.

same map, extremely slow grind. Boring unless with a friend

who was john?!?!

like 90% of femboys troon out eventually anyway

this guy is retarded and a nigger, there's 2 maps Blood Colisseum and Anvil of Khorne, I strongly recommend picking and playing AOK map but BC can be fun too.
BC is a bigger map, slower waves and you have to fight exact replicas of you and the other 2 players at some point.
Anvil of Khorne is smaller and much faster/aggresive in it's waves.

and act like girls through their entire fatherless lives

aight
here goes nothing

enjoy it anon, it's super fun to reach lvl 20 for the first time with your favorite hero.

GIVE IT BACK

you'd be better playing vermintide 2

kys asap faggot

I think he wanted to avoid the galaxywide free for all between millions of mini human empires that would've happened after warp travel became feasible again. His main goal was a new galactic human empire like the daot federation, but with webway travel instead of warp.

lmao touched a nerve 40kiddies

reee you need to play 10 hours before unlocking the fun stuff

All he achieved was build on the back of elves. His entire Empire is build on a abandoned elven colony.

who demands absolute faith

How do I know you have no idea what you are talking about.

tranny complains about having to actually play the game

LMAO

muh wooooke

Ah so you're just full of shit and don't actually engage in the hobby beyond autistic outbursts about identity politics.
Why didn't you say so

I think the Emperor didn't want to be worshipped in case it turned him into a Warp entity, much like how there's Chaos characters that reject becoming a Daemon Prince.

the tranny brigade has arrived

You gotta give it to them, their religion is very fake in ways but Lileath helps the brets in more substantial and tangible ways than most other gods do their followers.
Is it to protect the elves? Yes, but it also helps the brets.

TAU WOMEN DONT LOOK LIKE THAT

The thing is, sure, he tried to stifle blind religious fervor and occult curiosity to prevent Chaos Demon inceptions through weak human wills, that all adds up with why he was insistent yet vague about things, but all the scheming, warmongering and deterioration from the intergalactic efforts to expand before man was enlightened eventually resulted in minor and major cases of corruption anyway.

The issue tends to be the bloat fattening the Warp, not just the vulnerability of the souls entering.

anyone questioning my culture war shizobabble is a tranny

Like clockwork

Superior God, superior characters, superior setting.

Fake god lol

If that furry retard Leman Russ hadn't chimped out and returned Magnus to

You're conveniently forgetting that Horus changed the orders.

t.

It's always an interesting thought experiment to ask people who are really into 40k what they'd do if they were in the Emperors position.
It really separates the wheat from the chaff on those who are really into the setting lore vs ideology tourists.

Kek

I like this idea of the brets and the Empire being proxies of the older races and being a mirror of them:

elves and brets are peak physique and use the old ways to its limits (bows and horses)

meanwhile dawis and the empire are slowly innovating and rely on tech (dawis much slower)

point by point ripoff of Tolkien and the Arthurian myths glued together by cringe, shitty, alt-history fanfic level lore

If it wasn't for the rats and the lizards, this would be probably the worst fantasy setting of all.

Warhammer Fantasy is a more mature setting because it doesn't tryhard and trannies, faggots and zoomers are unaware of it's existence

you just described fantasy genre as a whole

wow it's almost as if wh40k is a satire of fascism

Uh oh,

This will trigger pol chuds.

You can already see them seething lmao

What has Warhammer 40k got to do with Mussolini?
Wow are Anons stupid.

I will marshall the ma'am

*dabs on emptroons*
*dabs on 40k fedora tippers*

The peasant and knight dynamic is fun and cool to be sure but at times it is just grimderp.

while the lack of social elevation is grim, the lords are obligated to defend their peasants

Current edition 40k rests HARD on the laurels of that which came before it. If this was a new IP unto itself, it would burn and die hard like Trench Crusade did.

Right on point. I hate that 30K is seeping into 40K more and more. The Horus Heresy became more popular than anything else in the franchise and they got the idea to make the 40K setting more like it: the primarch returns, space marine chapters that apparently still adhere to the Imperial Truth and not the Imperial Creed and lots of other nonsense. Shit fucking sucks.

The recent lore is so poorly written, it's very easy to tell that events happen just because they want to reach a certain outcome. The cause-effect train in most new stories doesn't make much sense. They even made 30K worse by retconning the final duel between the Emperor and Horus because OF COURSE the Imperium side has to be portrayed as underdogs fighting the good fight. The Emperor has to resort to trickery to actually beat Horus, he even needs help from Ollanius Persson to do it... WHO TURNED OUT TO BE MORE USEFUL THAN SANGUINIUS FFS! In new lore, all Sanguinius did was get himself killed on the Vengeful Spirit for hardly any benefit to anyone else and I fucking hate it.

Yes and that is ok, but in some codexes and the Knights of Bretonnia series it goes pretty silly at times. Peasants living in mud, even seeing a pegasus is cause for execution and such.

to be fair Sangi's whole arc is accepting his fated death, he wrecked shit during the siege

oh for sure, from what I read it used to be noble af then grimderp and now it's a balance (old world doesn't count). At least I like that Louen is FUCKING CHAD and good friend with Karl

I hate 30k shit so fucking much.
I hate Horus Heresy so god damn much.
It was better when it was mysterious and not really dwelled upon.

Only 6th edition Brets are grimderp, pre-6th and post-TOW are back to Arthurian noblebright kino

But the whole point of him accepting his death was so that it would lead to greater victory for everyone else. In new lore, it literally had no effect. No, actually it had negative effect. If he stayed in the Imperial Palace like the Emperor wanted him to, then maybe the Imperium would have at least one alive and capable primarch following the Heresy.

I used to play necrons back in 2011 or so, it was like5 or 6th ed and people were SHITTING on some faggot named matt ward, HH wasnt really that big back then and I mostly ignored, why do people seriously think it ruined 40k?

now you made me want to play yet another bretonnia campain, time to pull the ol' immersive bretonnia upgrade mod

because it turned 40k into Marvel where instead of a settings it's a few names always stumbling upon each others and never dying

His sons going berserk helped clean the house. I do agree they should have kept the part where he made a chink on Horus's armor

I think it makes complete sense that people want the setting to be more like 30k. Things actually happened. The story moved forward instead of being in a permanent state of stagnation. Characters actually had an effect on history instead of dying prematurely to prove that the universe is uncaring.

I'll agree that a lot of the new material is flawed, especially when they get inside the head of a Primarch, but for gods sake pretty much anything is more interesting than "and then the aliens destroyed another world".

makes sense, I enjoy 40K much more without faggots like robot gayman hogging the spotlight all the time. It was cool that all the "big powerful" primarchs and shit were dead/missing and only the space marines remained but oh well, not like I read any gay 40k book anyways

I liked Guilliman's return because he helped showcase the power and rigidity of the administratum. When they are used as a mean to show how the world works it's fine. It's when he goes super sayen and gets bailled by the emperor against Mortration that I hate.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON MY BOY THE LION DOING AWAY WITH HIS AUTISM FFS

I was one of those people shitting on him
Nucrons still suck.

read that darktide short novel

it's about how imperium is racist to abhumans

Gegg nice grimdark settings there

why do people seriously think it ruined 40k?

ruined Horus character

portrayed all primarchs as superpowered autists

portrayed the emperor as a superpowered all-knowing bipolar retard

seeped into 40K by leaving characters and plotlines open that rest undisturbed for 10.000 years making a complete mockery of previously "old" characters like Dante

portrayed Space Marines as being actually fucking awful at warfare they just happen to have strong bodies and good reflexes

introduced the trend of all Imperial Navy admirals and high ranking officers being women because muh diversity

introduced the concept of perpetuals into the setting

Darktide sole contribution to the lore is having fun ogryns

never really knew why people shat so bad on him, the most i can remember is something about making them less nyd and more tomb kings from space but to be honest I started to play when they were already these temu egypcians and not just some faceless enemy more to the list of faceless enemies

perpetual shit is so fucking cringe but again, WH40K is best enjoyed in a solipsism kind of way were you only take the very foundational bits and discard most shit as non canon in your head.

My favorite part about the Heresy is that the secret of the Dark Angels was that there is no secret, they were always loyal to Imperium and are hunting down traitors from their own chapter
Its very funny because they have no real reason to be all hush-hush about it

I don't get people saying things aren't as grimdark as they used to be. There's more Orks than ever, the Necrons are actively doing experiments to turn humans into Necron vessels with the approval of the Silent King, the 'Nids are actively hunting both of the Primarchs, the Tau are more expanded than ever, the galaxy is literally split in half due to the Great Rift, the Golden Throne will canonically fail within the next 200 in-universe years, and the Dark Eldar almost cloned the Emperor. It's not as grimdark as it used to be, it's literally worse by almost every margin. Big whoop that Guilliman is back, no matter how good his logistics he's not able to bring light to half the galaxy.

BASED
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not canon

If Big E dies and all the Primarchs are back, theres a 99% chance that humanity has reached a new golden age by 43k

All canon, buddyboy, and there is nothing you can do about it

When can I get my own Imperium mandated sister of battle gf.

Them and the Iron Hands are interesting because they are the only legions going against the wishes of their primarchs:

Lion: don't care who thinks am loyal or not, loyalty is its own reward and glory is found in results. Modern DA abandons their allies for their own agenda to appear clean

Ferrus: the flesh isn't weak and you need to lift, cherish your failures and learn from them. Modern IH: cuts off their flesh for fear of failure

who cares billions of no names died, recently angron killed 5% of the imperium with a rage beacon or something. Meanwhile zero named characters failed the Primaris surgery

it's not canon doe

intentionally creates Lorgar with an immutable genetic encoding to worship

castigates him for "buliding up" conquered planets

forces gorillaman, the guy he lauded and praised for building up conquered planets to genocide Monarchia (the loyalest planet in his Imperium)

I wonder does Lorgar think his prank to turn the emperor into a god is hilarious or is that actually an ironic accident and he's seething

Literally everything I just said is canon. Moreover, Gaz has been chosen by Gork and Mork, so we're looking at an apocalyptic Wahh potential.
If the Emperor dies the entire Sol System will be destroyed by the Warp Rift the Emperor is holding back and because of the Talisman of Seven Hammers.

Wahh

ah, a nigger retard I see, go back to age of smegmar

The Sol System is unironically holding the imperium back.

You forgot about pregnant titan princeps

he coded him to be the ultimate atheist tho. Funnily enough religion changed science to god but the rest is how an hardcore atheist would beheave. Remember his legion pre meeting him were the imperial herald and their job was tearing down any religious icons

Lurk for 2 decades before posting.

Elves

Yeah, except he didn't (or he didn't fucking think it through very much when he made him be dedicated to the irrefutable "truth")

What makes the Emperor so great is that he is always right, and yet everybody always doubts him. The dogmatic ecclesiarchy would have unironically been helpful while he was alive. If the Primarchs had just shut the fuck up and treated his word as gospel everything would have been fine.

Does he allow love with other races, no? Literally shit-tier god

thanks anon, super cool

He didn't anticipate the biggest woman moment of history, if Lorgar landed on Olympia it probably would have been fine

He wore it on purpose and his strong will prevents him from being possessed because sigmar is that cool.

he didn't say that or do that

I believe originally 40k was intended to be a ground to make up your own stories rather than some epic space opera revolving around set characters, so having things to be very slow and vague was by intent.
Not gonna argue about what's better, but it's not hard to see that these concepts would draw interest from different kinds of audience, and I can understand people seeing modern 40k as avengers redux.

If the Primarchs had just shut the fuck up and treated his word as gospel everything would have been fine

That goes against the scientific thinking that was being encouraged. The great crusade was not only against religion and sorcery, it was also against ignorance and tyranny. There are sections in the initial HH where they talk about how ancient cultures used to have naysayers in the king's court to help them see through all possibilities. If erebus hadn't corrupted Horus, everything could have been alright.

Never happened.

Yes but it's still an ironic tragedy. If he hadn't pursued rationalism and had just enforced his will, he would have won. Instead he is trapped, unable to reincarnate and slowly transformed into a warp entity. He lost.

Olympia

That reminds me, he really fumbled the ball on Perturabo lel (or maybe not as the ultimate thing that lead Perturabo to go nuts is decimating Olympia - "the emperor cannot forgive us" that's the exact sort of thing he'd give Perty a medal for - but maybe Perturabo secretly had more of a heart than he let on)

Still it's ironic that the Iron Warriors literally embody the "perfect" Space Marine - brutal, ruthless, no bullshit, but that actually fits the Emperor's MO to create exactly what he wanted and then be mad that they're exceedingly good at exactly that.

The people accusing 40k of being marvel slop don't even like 40k. They're usually in the corner clutching 15 year old eldar and nidder minis, complaining about the fact that space marines are the most popular faction and telling everybody they should be playing Battletech.

Love you Big E

Nah.

He lost

Not yet. He is more psychically powerful than ever. He is the only one in the entire galaxy to enter a Chaos God's own domain and deal harm to them and he still has that unwavering resolve to destroy the chaos gods despite the suffering and pain that path has led him to.

Happened in my dream

The Chaos Gods are real man. I've seen and felt things. I've heard the voices too.

hey, fellow aryans

oðínn is cool and all, but what's REALLY cool is shunning your own gods and becoming a willing slave for the chosen people

i mean look at all this gelt

This

Partake in medication, perhaps.

Draw emperor flipping burgs and working the cash register, please.

Nah, Chaos is the be-all end-all of sentient life. These beings were born because intelligent species couldn't stop killing one another. The Eldar had all three Chaos Gods contained at one point and everything was under their control. The Eldar Empire was a utopia and they decided that it was so boring that they should commit themselves to murder-orgies to feel some excitement again. Wait a few hundred years and here comes Slaanesh. Chaos Gods represent the inherent desire for self-annihilation. It's the only end that intelligent life can have, what is the alternative? Continuing to exist in perpetuity? In the end, that's a worse kind of torture than what Chaos gods do to the souls that they manage to get a hold of.

I prefer Big D.

Big E's godly golden autism is the heart of the setting.

I love Perty, the IW carried both sides. He secretly admired the ones who defied his order of glassing Olympia

There existed great empires before the Chaos gods and if they're ever destroyed for good there'll be life after them.
That's like saying 'The be-all end-all of sentient life is the bed bug infestations, its their world, we're just living in it.'

Magnus expie is a faggot with kitten

Color me surprised

I really wish that The Last Church had been written by someone even slightly competent.
Imagine, if you will, a world where TLC actually goes in-depth on the ideologies of both men and the ending is ambiguous, rather than it being reddit essay tier schlock.

It's a play on Kitten winning Magnus's soul from squid face, and then Kitten signing a contract with Magnus.

These empires had little to no warp presence i.e. they were soulless like Tau or Necrons. If a species has warp presence, they will inevitably tend towards Chaos.

The Primordial Truth is inescapable and cannot be truly beaten. It is like trying to fight the concept of entropy itself. Most of your actions are guided by the Four in some way.

Indeed. Sigmar can obviously manifest miracles as well both in his priests and in lay folk of sufficient faith, but the Lady is far more systematic in her blessings.
Things are pretty clear with her: complete your grail quest and behave in a chivalric fashion, then you become a superstrong magical force of nature who will live at least a few centuries.

Orks tho

The Old Ones were soulless

The single most psychically advanced species in the entire setting, who crafted the webway, made the Eldar, designed the Krorks, seeded mankind, PvP'd the C'tan and created the Chaos Gods with their retardation, masters of the Immaterium, ect, ect, so on, so forth, weren't warp present

Anon.
You are being a little silly and a lot retarded.

Same

and people were SHITTING on some faggot named matt ward

I remember this, it was mainly due to stuff like "All Space Marines see Guilliman as a spiritual liege" and "Grey Knights kill Sisters of Battle to bathe in their blood to stave off Khorne corruption".

I thought there were species with warp presence, they just weren't massacring each other in giant interstellar wars so no daemons

and created the Chaos Gods with their retardation,

How are they a "great empire before Chaos Gods" if those Gods were created during their reign? It's just what I'm talking about, any species that gains Warp presence and attempts to use the Warp will inevitably succumb to Chaos. The Old Ones were just the first species to find out about that. We also know that gaining Warp awareness is the natural result of evolution i.e. every species will reach that state if they survive for long enough. They can fall earlier through other means, but that's irrelevant.

"Grey Knights kill Sisters of Battle to bathe in their blood to stave off Khorne corruption".

I think you forget the aim of those stories
Fun talk, by the way I see a giant bird coming your way

they just weren't massacring each other in giant interstellar wars so no daemons

And how long did that last?

Do you hear the voices too?

And whose war in heaven destibilized the warp and created the chaos g-ds?

Keep in mind, if the Chaos Gods were to be killed and the Immaterium returned to tranquility? It'd result in a future that makes the Star Trek bullshit of the Dark Age of Technology look like the stone age.
We're talking levels of bullshit beyond bullshit with the only possible return to Enfuckery being the C'tan pulling a have-a-go-harry again.
And unlike last time, people (And by that I mean the Black Library, the Silent King, ect) are now aware of their cockfuckery and have both buckbroken and trapped them in whack ass prisons beyond space and time.

Orks are probably the only real exception because they are fungus instead of animal life like nearly every other species.

I mean, we don't know. It's kind of a cop out but there could have been a LOT of time before the war in heaven.

The other thing about the warp gods is that they disproportionately favour humanity. Except for the token diversity hire Slaanesh, they basically wouldn't exist without humans. If humans were to eventually fail and be replaced by, idk, Tau (they won't but lets say for the sake of argument), who's to say the Chaos Gods would even continue to exist? They might just dwindle/starve to death.

I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME
IT IS A GOOD PAIN

Within the context of 40K, I can see why the Emperor would be against religion, when people can be tricked into worshipping Chaos, or religions can spawn their own daemons with unpredictable results.

That book sucked because Big E had to dance around talking about the existence of extra-dimensional cosmic-tier psychic predators that literally feed on the faith and emotions of mortals. And rightfully so, just look how Lorgar reacted when he discovered the ruinous powers. And before you say, 'faith can be used against chaos', consider what you are suggesting. Should we elevate the Church of the Lightning Stone to a mandatory state religion? How about Christianity? Or Islam? Or should the Emperor just let people worship him like so many people foolishly suggest? Should you allow for freedom of all faiths, including the ones corrupted by Chaos or psyker megalomaniacs? If not, how do you justify selective religious persecution without telling people about Chaos? This is to say nothing of the inherent threat to unity that differing, contradictory religious faiths present to the Imperium. You can't just tell a religious person that any faith works as a bulwark against Chaos, because they would insist that theirs is the only way. The Imperial Truth made a lot of sense and was well received by the majority of planets assimilated into the Imperium, especially after Old Night. It was working just fine and effectively starving Chaos before Horus, Magnus, and Lorgar fucked everything up.

Prospero burns....

The Last Church is hilarious as it is.

religion is good

nuh huh

it is!

nuh huh

God is real! This golden gleaming God man told me not to go against the thunder warriors and saved my life

That was no God, Revelation said as he revealed himself. That was *me*.

you'll regret your hubris as your empire crumbles around you

lmaoooo seething

How the fuck is the second Rogue Trader DLC adding the Arbite bro still not out yet?

I mean wouldn't the galaxy still be fucked due to the infinite bugs invading it?

Chaos Gods "favor" humans because they are currently the most widespread race in the galaxy with the most Warp presence. If they managed to eat all of them like Slaanesh almost did with the Eldar, they would just wait it out until another strong race arises.

would Lucius stay dead if he was killed by some kind of munition assembled by an automated production line

I think the Emperors position on reality is the same as his position on Xenos.

Not all bad, but we can't afford the risk of it

'The existence of the French resulted in the Somme, now we can never undo the damage that happened there so clearly we should leave the unexploded ordinance in place and pretend that no history existed before WW1'

K

He should have just turned it into worship of himself. Most people need some kind of higher power to believe in.

No.

It makes much more sense to me personally that they're parasites killing their own host, but I think they're hesitant to contradict that in lore because the threat of Chaos 'winning' is more grimdark.

He would probably spawn from the tech-priest that built the production line.

The existence of the French resulted in the Somme

This, but unironically.

No. With emperor leading humanity, he would have ushered in a second age of technology which would have made humanity as powerful as peak necrons and eldars combined.

Humanity in 40k is overpowered as fuck, even with Chaos reducing them to 10% effectiveness and Orks/Necrons raping every supply line they still control the entire galaxy. If the Emperor succeeded in his goals the nids at full strength are an afterthought.

I thought the point was that Imperial Truth was inherently flawed because while faith in them is nice, they can get by on emotions alone quite well and its shotgun style enforcement alongside Emperors stubborn insistence on being real shifty for his sons is what got us the Heresy of Horus

Not everyone is a psyvhopathic and self centered advantage seeker like lorgar. They would not necessessarily feel compelled to worship an extradimensional soul devouring monster for a brief boon.
In the same vein, not everyone is a drug addict despite how awesome drugs are.

Which traitor primarchs did the Emperor fuck up? I feel like he really only failed Angron and maybe Lorgar but he gave all the others a pretty fair chance

ends up as a chair-bound cripple, with his kids hating him, his military turning against him, and his legacy falling apart

He is pretty much the sole reason humanity hasn't been wiped out or enslaved

I think if he allowed that, all that worship would end up converting the Emperor into a Warp God even if he wasn't on life support in real space.

From what I remember of the Liber Chaotica and similar things like that, it used to be that the original Warp Gods developed out of the warpstuff weapons the Old Ones used the Eldar to create. The Old Ones leaving the Eldar and Krorks to their own devices, combined with the sheer nightmarish reality breaking madness of the War in Heaven led to them developing some form of sapience. The proto-gods then encouraged their creators to do the things that strengthened them and generated a feedback loop that resulted in outright worship / Orks Orking. The original three Chaos Gods meanwhile formed as more primitive and "natural" responses in the warp around much more simplistic and universal emotions along the same lines, absorbing/combining with some of the existing godly archetypes of hope/hate/despair, plus a healthy dose of time-wimey fuckery (ie. they did not exist until they did, at which point they had always existed because the warp is timeless and so could encourage their own creations in the timeline in which they now could exist).

God I spent too much of my brain on this shit.

Nope, almost exactly that happened in a short story when he stepped on a landmine. He woke up extremely confused several thousand light years away from his warband surrounded by horrified factory workers who had just seen their sick friend explode into a huge monster man. He was somewhat pissed off that the guy had felt pride in his menial work on the production line.

The only part I like with Angron is when he said to Russ "if I didn't have those nails I would have already rebelled against our bastard dad"

Yes, unironically religion IS bad in the 40k universe.

let's look at the choices of gods in the 40k universe

Boogie2988

The god of degeneracy

THE War God

A Bird Nerd

Two Orcs

a corpse

Let me put it this way, mankind could've taken the Tyranids at the height of the Dark Age of Technology.
They would've wrecked their shit so hard that evolutionary pressure of the situation would've turned the ones that survived into UwU'ing monstergirls.
The Dark Age of Technology wasn't shit compared to what you can do with access to the de-Chaos'd Immaterium.
Know all that crazy, whacky shit that Chaos currently gets up to with turning entire worlds into giant skulls/boils/plans/the big gay and so on?
Imagine that but at the fingertips of an actual sentient being rather than 'Hurr Violence/AIDS/Knawledge/Cocks'

Only problem with that is what happens when he inevitably fucks up, even in some minor way?
The Imperial Truth exists outside of any single individual and thus could've perpetuated itself into eternity. Meanwhile a cult of personality only endures as long as the man (and, ironically, because of the Golden Throne, the man is going to be around a long ass time)

except faith is weaponized against the warp because it's soul vs soul

You forgot Malal.

the image that broke 40gay Anon Babbleeddit

amily but scifi

his style is so putrid to watch and you know he sometimes draws provocative shit because he wants attention

I like some of his stuff. But not this one.

There’s a Word Bearers book where they start laughing and vomiting after hearing God Emperor.

Mossa is banned on reddit tho

Not really canon

Sometimes I pray so hard, I rip the skin

You still forgot him.

who demands

The Emperor never asked for it, that's the funny thing about it.
It was all the proto-ecclesiarchy following Lorgar's Lectio Divinitatus.

From what I remember of the Liber Chaotica and similar things like that, it used to be that the original Warp Gods developed out of the warpstuff weapons the Old Ones used the Eldar to create. The Old Ones leaving the Eldar and Krorks to their own devices, combined with the sheer nightmarish reality breaking madness of the War in Heaven led to them developing some form of sapience.

Pretty much, the Chaos Gods are like a self-perpetuating storm, the forces of which are powerful enough that it keeps the storm going.
The thing is though? They can be starved and they can be killed. Big E's plan was working.
I mean that still doesn't solve all the bullshit, the C'tan would still be out there, the Enslavers are still evil fuckers, ect,
But the Emperors plan to quash Chaos 100% would've worked given enough blood, sweat and cum.

But faith is inextricably linked to consciousness. Any vague notion of truth or rightness/wrongness is faith (in the setting of 40k)
Even having scientific evidence in front of your face doesn't reduce the power of belief

What's the point in him wearing that huge fucking pauldron when he's just sitting down drawing shit?

Lucius is great

Has End Times been completely Retconned yet?
It still makes no fucking sense, makes even less sense with Cathay (how in fuck does the Celestrial Dragon Emperor, a literal Chaos god tier figure get killed by some Skaven lmao?) and completely ruined the fucking setting. They forgot Skarsnik existed, SKARSNIK like one of the OG main characters of fucking Warhammer Fantasy lmao.
Also it's established numerous times in Warhammer Fantasy, including the Realms of Chaos, that Chaos absolutely does NOT want to destroy the world, as the world is their source of power and they need the world to play their "game".
I always felt that Storm of Chaos was a far better scenario, and had a far cooler ending, where the world is saved by Grimgor just rocking up and smashing the shit out of Archaeon when everyone else is on the verge of defeat.

Hey Anon, wanna go to my concert? I have special seats for you. I know how much you like Space Marines, you get to sit right next to them!

teleports in front of you

is a giant radiant golden giant that appears in the most perfect form to your eyes

wields a special magical sword that no one else can use

heals that guy next to you simply because he praised him

forces you kneel with his mind

speaks directly into your mind

In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessings. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

tips his psychic energy fedora at you

teleports away

Debatably Mortarion. On the one hand, he undermined Morty's entire worldview and reason to live, did nothing to address his unending hatred of psykers, then allowed him free reign to turn the Dusk Raiders into the Death Guard, complete with inducting influential weirdos like Typhon/Typhus - less obvious a problem than what Angron did to the War Hounds / World Eaters initially, but boy did that have consequences. On the other hand, it could well have played out the same way had the Emperor done very little differently. You could make a similar argument with Perturabo, but that's more a clash between two autistic adults with different special interests (map painting simulators versus World of Tanks) and poor interpersonal skills preventing them from explaining anything.

who is the Black Dragons Primarch

*BLAM*

No thanks

Our dad emperor taught us some tricks too, like how you can worship using someone else's mouth

Angron is a big one and extremely retarded on Empe's part
Lorgar getting fucked over was partially justified, but he could've done it with a lot more tact
Perturabo and Mortarion, they were just assholes in all honesty, not really fucked over
Kurze just went insane, dunno if Emps knew about his schizophrenia, but some psychological evaluation could've gone a long way
Horus wasn't exactly fucked over but really disliked Emperor being very shifty for no actual reason and worried on what happens to them all once the crusade is over
Magnus could've been handled a lot better, frankly, ignoring Nikea he could've been informed about the Webway given that it was HIS PURPOSE TO POWER IT and he wouldn't have accidentally broken it when trying to tell him about Horus getting funny ideas, and with Nikea he could've explained to his, quite obviously most curious son, about what sort of stuff is in the Warp rather than being vague about it for no reason because anyone with half a brain would've figured that the legion whose gimmick are psychic powers is, in fact, gonna ignore edict that bans their main schtick

Need to note that even his loyal sons didn't much like him, most either believing in his ideals but not him as a person, or figuring that other side has nothing good in store for mankind

Has End Times been completely Retconned yet?

No, and with Old World being a thing its likely never gonna happen

Chaos victory is inevitable. The corpse emperor lost.

just blatantly vandalizing Planescape

Alpharius, if you know you know

Has End Times been completely Retconned yet?

Not exactly, but all of it's lore is completely ignored and contradicted by Warhammer Total War, so you can pretty much accept it's considered now the same as Storm of Chaos in the WHFB setting.

Mortarion hates the Emperor because by saving him, shows how inadequate he was to deal with his alien father overlord thing who had saved him as well back then.

Just two more editions

Warhammer fantasy and Age of Sigamrines

have WARHAMMER like GHAL MARAZ

40k

no named warhammer

Where's Big E's Warhammer?

They were just a fuckhuge mistake.
So were the Space Marines.
A well equipped IG with more advanced weapons (think Solar Auxilia level) would have been vastly superior.

Following a setting that never gave us Lizardmen vs Chaos despite being the major fucking showdown built up since 5th edition, and had the Skaven literally commit mass suicide on behalf of Chaos wtf

Nope, Storm of Chaos is what happened. Fuck End Times and the DnD wannabe that is AoS.

Yes, redditor, everything is a fashimo satire. It totally wasn't just a hodgepodge of cool, retarded shit the devs mixed for fun-

The Imperium was a threat to Chaos from that vector too. While there was a lot of war and death, it was resulting in stable worlds that were gradually recovering after the Age of Strife. The emotional extremes that Chaos feeds on were not nearly as present in compliant worlds. Furthermore, the Emperor's 'shiftiness' with his sons made sense. The Heresy Series is littered with examples of the Emperor warning his sons against something, and them doing it anyway. Telling them of Chaos would have resulted in them trying to master it, and then falling spectacularly. The Heresy took place because Lorgar chose faith over duty, Magnus thought he knew better than the Council of Nikea, and Horus chose his ambition over his loyalty. The Emperor cannot make his sons' choices for them.

Because hope is entering the setting in greater amounts that it ever has, to put it simply.

Loyalist Primarch returns

Another loyalist Primarch returns

More on the horizon

Technology is rapidly advancing for space marines due to Cawl

The Emperor is actually finally starting to become active again

Custodes are going around the Galaxy actually fighting in conflicts (fucking retarded)

Fucking Valdor has a secret lawful daemon army in a hidden pocket dimension or some shit

Yeah, bad shit is happening. But the good (relative) guys are actually getting out of a 10,000 year stagnation all of a sudden, giving them hope. It's the opposite of Grimdark.

Magnus fucked up himself when he decided he couldn't use any other form of communication with the Emperor besides astral projection and breaking the project.

Need to note that even his loyal sons didn't much like him, most either believing in his ideals but not him as a person, or figuring that other side has nothing good in store for mankind

Sanguinius and him seemed okay. Don't know how he was with some of the other loyalists though, besides Khan viewing him as the lesser of two evils.

Is this post coming from Nurgle's burnt garden?

Dorn said that he didn't think that Emperor loves them and Guilliman is really not a fan of him, especially after him waking up
Think the rest also have that opinion but I am unsure, except for Khan

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I'd rather have this. Grimdark is overrated and boring after a while.

I would say 'The Emperor would've been better off with robots' but we all know how that went last time it was tried.

Honestly, the Emperor was doomed the second whatsherface decided to woman the fuck out and cast his sons to the four corners of the galaxy because 'They deserve to be fwee to fweel'

It's amazing how every unique story inevitably reinacts original sin without intending to.

You fell for Imperial propagnda

Magnus be like

hmmm, there seem to be powerful psychic wards protecting earth. I guess i should contact the nearest Space Marine/rogue trader/astropath outpost to earth to send a message on my behalf-WAIT i have a better idea! I will obliterate my father's creation! That should save a few minutes.

i swear, i am so smart and perfect that if emp's doesn't grovel at my feet to thank me, i will surely worship chaos.

Guilliman is really not a fan of him, especially after him waking up

Come the fuck on, really? After 10,000 years of suffering to keep the Imperium going hasn't the Emperor paid several magnitudes over his mistakes? Would he rather the Emperor fucking died and left him as a stasis popsicle for all time or what?

Angron was fucked by brain nails.
Lorgar was fucked by desert goatfuckers religion.
Perturabo was a jealus of his bettersand fell to Chaos.
Mortarion was tricked into Chaos.
Kurze was a madman.
Magnus pride was his own doom.
Horus soul was tainted by Chaos Gods in Davin.

bros we need to conquer more Tau worlds

Is that why they constantly use the evil fascist Space Marines in heroic portraits to advertise their franchise?

I don't mind it, for the most parts. Plenty of things to complain about but also plenty of things I like. That being said, overall I did prefer the setting being stagnant. The tabletop game was a lot more fun when every battle you did was just some irrelevant battle with "your guys" going on random missions. Now every battle is some EPIC scale shit where Guilliman or Angron or the Silent King or the Custodes or some shit are on the battlefield. I MUCH preferred the "my guys" vs "your guys" scale the game used to be all about. I hate how prevalent massively important named characters and hugely important centerpiece models are now.

Angron was fucked by brain nails.

Yeah but deciding to teleport him away instead of, like, helping him during his last stand could've went quite far I think

Probably comes from getting back and having his schizo corpse call him a tool
Most of the loyalists just believed in the idea of the Imperium, not the Emperor himself.

something something burdens something something it looks cool something something

my theory is that Big E chose to appear like so in order to Roboute to focus on the imperium and not fixing him

To be a little fair to him, he didn't know what the wards were for.
But he also trusted a mysterious voice that offered him the power to break them, and then acted a complete retard with Russ.

Then they were morons. The Imperium is the Emperor. Until humanity can become the psychic race it is supposed to evolve to and safely handle the warp, the Emperor is necessary.

You can get a nigger out of Africa, but you can't get the nigger out of him.

If I remember correctly, when he woke up and met Emperor, who was apparently schizobabbling to the extreme, he outright said that Emperor "wasn't a God worth worshipping"

Stop acting like 99% of Anon Babble wouldn't fall to Slaanesh in an instant, all it takes is a single daemonette catering to their specific fetish.

Khan was based and reasonable.

Yeah the Emperor is a prick.

But he's not consorting with FUCKING DEMONS YOU RETARDS

The image that destroyed the reddit tourist

I can only imagine how much Angron and Mortarion appreciated that.

I agree

No. Clearly you didn’t do your homework. Heinrich kemmler and Arkhan the black were introduced much earlier than skarsnik. Celestial dragon king was never mentioned to have been assassinated, but cathay was indeed destroyed by irk waaargh and the rest cathayan flee to their big boat. Also, no chaos gods wants to destroy the world, nor did they predict it (until Archaon and Mannfred prives them wring). And Slaanesh wants to persevere it the most so he/she sends out the least champion. Also Storm of Chaos was lame and a total disaster by having the player to write the story, but abandoned half way because player somehow cheesed the scenarios. And most of the story from end times were a homage/ copy pasted from storm of chaos.

Look, maybe I have a bit too much faith in this site, but I'm at least 60% sure that most of Anon Babble would see the dick stapling and cocaine coming down the line and go 'Nah, I'm good'

It's largely explained in a couple of places, but especially in the last seige of terra book. The Emperor separated all his good traits from himself and sent them off into space before he fought Horus. This was so he'd be able to fight Horus without holding back or second guessing himself. It's also what constitutes the Star Child.
What's on the throne, as the Emperor, right now is a very fractured aspect of his whole being that has almost none of his love or compassion for the Primarchs.

Angron couldn't possibly have turned because the emperor teleported him away from his comrades on the eve of battle which led to them all being slaughtered? A courtesy which was extended to all the others but not him?

Make that a 0.6%

Thanks a lot, Erda. I'm sure Angron is much better off being free on Nuceria than being raised by his horrible gene-father. Surely the vision you had of their future with the Emperor was legitimate and not, I don't know, a lie from Chaos? Surely the Emperor cut off the perpetuals because he's just a dick, and not because you are useless non-interventionists at the best of times, and catastrophically wrong at the worst. The very existence of the perpetuals is so fucking stupid.

how the fuck does the emperial truth and the lectio divitatus co-exist at all in 40k?
the imperium still remembers the imperial thruth right?

Anon Babble is really a Nurgle board. In fact all of Anon Babble is. Just wallowing in our misery and never changing or improving

The Horus Heresy novels are the biggest pile of shit ever made for 40k and they obliterated the theme and setting completely.

No, it's been 10,000 years.

The purpose of a ward is obvious. It is to keep things out. But magnus is just too important and smart to worry about little things like that.

They really are. What is worse is most people don't even read them, they just watch youtubes sum up in video essays.

Magnus fell but to save his own sons as per the end and the death vol. 2 i think
so its just not his own pride anymore
Mortarion as well was forced to make a deal with nurgle to save his own sons from a nurgle plague

Why would anyone want to reward the retards for their poor writing by buying the books anon?

Nikkea happened because the Thousand Sons were being ACTIVELY POSSESSED BY DEMONS at the time

Yo what's that suspicious looking warp creature on your shoulder, bro? - Emps

Don't worry it's just my friendly advice fairy who powers my sorcery it's fine nothing bad is happening - what the Thousand Sons were unironically doing

Their asses got banned for good reason

Also the reason why Emps was keeping the Webway project in total secrecy was because it would trigger a revolt among the Navigator's Guild if they knew. EVERY SINGLE PRIMARCH SHIP HAD A NAVIGATOR ON IT. There was no way to contain that information. Literally all he said was "don't fucking assblast me with a psychic nuke while I'm working." And what did Magnus do?

I agree. They turned it into actual Marvel shit, especially the second half of the series.

Tells Magnus to be careful with the Warp, but not outright ignore it

Ignores the Nikea because its stupid

Despite only friend primarchs he had being traitors and him considering Emperor to be a prick, still decides to remain loyal after doing his own investigation on what's going on instead of blindly believe either side

Fucks up Daemon prince Mortarion TWICE

Really funny how a Genghis expy of one of the more nothingburger chapters he turned out to be the most chill and reasonable of them

How long has this star child existed in lore?
Also when are we getting that next book for the follow up to the Eisenhorn series, with the Valdor reveal?

Star Child is ancient lore. Like early 90s. No idea when they'll do something with Valdor. I think they could honestly be making an entirely new army with him. Something like "Daemons of the Emperor". But that could be 10+ years away knowing them.

It's the inevitable result of the IP moving beyond just the tabletop. Now you have a story and an audience that cares about it's characters and where the story is going. You still have 10,000 years of stagnant setting to play in if you still want that for your tabletop.

Daemons of the Emperor

Pretty sure they already have that, its called Legion of the Damned

magnus

saving anybody

His planet is dead. 95% of his sons are all dust. The legion is a bunch of mutant sorcerors controlling husks.

Hear me out lads

Emperor

But with the technology that made the Krorks

Could he have pulled it off, given the Krorks were canonically unquestioning meat (or rather, fungus) machines?

By no means do I think they should be paid for that slop.
My point was that the books existing at all, creating a vast amount of lore for youtubers to churn out endless essays and "theories" on, has been a disaster. I wasn't implying it would be better if more read them, more that those who have and made content around it have spread the manure far further than just the books themselves would have.

MoI here
Ahem
BIG E IS A FAGGOT
Thanks for reading my message, fleshbag.

The world could have been purged but that wouldn't have changed anything.
Angron was already mental due to the nails and they tried to remove them asap.
But the nails can't be removed and turn the host into crazy berserker who ultimately dies.
Angron is alive because Lorgar turned him into a Daemonic Prince of Khorne.

Meanwhile actual Genghis became a Khorne daemon prince

Gnarled xenos hands typed this

My fellow humans

We must open our borders to Tyranid refugees

Well, that's what I mean. You can put Legion of the Damned in there (they currently have no place). You can have living saints, you can have all the weird shit they describe Valdor having with him. You can make up some "good" daemons. You could even use that headless version of Ferus Manus the Emperor summoned one time. That would be a way to be able to sell a model for him. Fuck, you could even go as far as to have some kind of shard of Sanguinius to be able to sell a Sanguinius model in the 40k setting. That would piss me off, though. As I am a Blood Angel player.

WHERE THE FUCK IS PARIAH PART THREE DAN?

The 3rd Bequin book has been delayed.
And they'll have to do something with Valdor because The end of the 2nd book in that series is that he's the King in Yellow trying to learn the Emperor's true name.

Wrong nigga
In the siege of terra magnus infiltrated the imperial palace to collect a pokemon ball of himself, and got approached by the emperor to rejoin his fold and earn his forgiveness
Magbus refused because was gonna kill legion because of the genetic defects that were mutating them
thousands son becoming dust only happened after ahriman casted his rubric spell that happened wayyyyy after the heresy

I guess that would be neat, but only if that means we get rid of the Imperial Knights as their own separate army

Magnus fell the moment he thought he knew the Inmaterium better than the Emperor.
He was a pawn of Tzeentch and he didn't even knew it until it was too late.
Mortarion was tricked by Typhus, he should have said fuck you instead of embracing Nurgle.

I wish.

Do we know which Primarch is likely to return?
I'd want Khan but I imagine they'll pick a more popular legion's Primarch.

He set the legion up to failure.

you wanna learn more about the king in yellow? You wanna see the conclusion to a storyline that could have galaxy spanning consequences?
Too bad he's on random slop assignments

Corvus's whereabouts is the only one we know for sure

Mortarion was tricked by Typhus

This was so bad in the books

Whoa dude why'd you kill all the navigators?????

Holy shit, I completely forgot about these series. It's been a while.

Regal Dork probably

chaos space marines were so much more interesting in 30k

now they're all mindless slaves or glorified bandits

What's the point of worshiping Gork and Mork when Khorne exists?

They were making a move. I had to get it on.

Russ is the next loyalist for sure. That will round out the big 4 of both factions.

Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Thousand Sons, Death Guard

All got their primarchs

Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels

All got their primarchs, except Blood Angels. Who can't.

After that, who knows. I think Vulcan is a high chance because he makes sense to still be alive and Salamanders are getting a codex soon, for some reason. Dorn is another easy pick because he has precedent to return and he's the primarch of a lot of popular chapters.

Outside of them there's room for Khan, Corvus, Lorghar and Perturabo to come back. Even Alpharius, also.

If it were me, I would bring back Curze because I think I could actually justify it in lore, if they paid me to do so.

GORK AND MORK ARE DA BEST YA GIT

Some retard Bobby G will have trouble reeling in or someone ineffectual like Corax or Vulkan

Really depends on the Legion and Marine in question. The only "problem" is that they're pretty disorganized. But that's kind of the point of Chaos.

He fumbled the death and the end real hard. There is no way he would be able to write a satisfying conclusion for the inquistor books. It'll probably have Eisenhorn and Ravenor killing each other, then Bequin being girl bossing Valdor to save the imperium.

There is niche lore of some orkz worshipping Khorne.

He wasn't in that form at the time thoughever

Lorgar only wanted the Truth

Gork and Mork look like them and Orks are nationalistic with an innate belief in race theory. Chaos gods look too different from them.

conflates faith with religion

wastes effort and time on retarded rituals and purity checking along worthless idealism

neglects the one thing he should have faith in and rejects pragamtism

The emperor did nothing wrong.

IIRC a very very small percentage of orks do but it's so mindbogglingly stupid that they're seen as complete weirdos

To be fair regular space marines were, too
They weren't fragmented into chapters and sent to play goalie for a failed institution

Lorgar decides the Emperor isn't worthy of worship and joins chaos

The Emperor becomes a god and destroys chaos

Also steals his bible

Hahaha
Hahahahaha

Chaos gods look too different from them

I don't think the Four have corporeal forms. They can take on whatever appearance they want as long as it is killy/smelly/changey/gay enough for them

GW needs to get rid of all the dogshit digital art and force their artists to use paints and watercolours.
Oldhammer art has so much soul it's unreal.

Why worship khorne when gork and mork are right there?

I always interpret his "breakdown" about "the emperor will never forgive me" to "the emperor never SHOULD forgive me but I secretly know actually this is exactly what he'd tell me to do"

Also I've come to think that maybe it wasn't just the Emperor being a retard but he really did think Perturabo was his "indefatigable Lord of Iron" and he's expecting him to be almost like a secret ace on the "inside" of chaos. It lines up with the "symmetry" of "knowing" Dorn would obsessively pursue Chaos and become corrupted by his own autism should he "know" of it and the idea that a loyalist will "switch" in the potential "end times" they're setting up. Perturabo will never be "redeemed" and pro-imperium but maybe he's a last minute "switch". Sadly Daemon Prince Perturabo puts an end to that but I suppose that's technically very fitting and genuinely grim that he's forced to do that to survive

He fell when he made a bargain to the voices in his head to save his legion from the flesh change

To be fair Horus was not a pawn of chaos, he just had the idea of killing the chaos gods in his way by destroying all of humanity. Abaddon is the real simp.

Every Undivided character is like this except maybe the Word Bearers

I'm not a pawn, I'm really using them for my own ends, I'm in charge here! - pawn #204473040227473

Fabius doesn't have any chaos powers

The Fabius Bile books are pretty fun.

It's a reference to King Solomon who bound the daemons to his will.

turbo dystopia

going strong

Even Horus realized he was a pawn right before the Emperor blasted his soul out of existence

No but he thinks he's free of them when actually Slaanesh sort of approves of what he's doing. He's another delusional character.

exists: losing?

annihilated: won?

If you kill your enemies, they win

Yeah John Blanche art has a weird dreamlike air to it, really good

Horus was the biggest chaos pawn to ever exist. He was literally brainwashed into serving the Ruinous Powers and begged for death and forgiveness when he gained some lucidity.

do something

enjoy doing that

strive to approve

Slaanesh: mah boi

That's certainly what every chaos worshipper says to him while actively trying to convert him to their preferred power
Perhaps if he were just a pawn, they wouldn't try to get his fealty for 10,000 years

to IMPROVE*

Horus also regains some lucidity for a bit when Russ stabs him with the emperor's spear or whatever

Couldn't be a more human thing uttered

image

Dandelion looking ass woman

The Gods don't need anyone's fealty. Your very actions alone empower them. Kill something? Khorne approves. Hammer nails into your dick while shooting heroin? Slaanesh approves. Poz someone's neghole? Nurgle approves. Stab your friend in the back for tree fiddy? Tzeentch approves.

her sword is too short she's never going to win a duel with that

Cadia lost and so will the rest of the Imperium

Still not going to worship you

a rapier manant

Ok Abby

xir doesn't know about nu-cadia

loooool

Age of Sigmar is not canon, dumbass.

Anon Babble seems like it's mostly bots now

I added "general" to my filter there and the last 3 or 4 pages are all hidden threads, actual dead board and I'm not sure where all the fa/tg/uys went, but man the inept moderation really fucked that place up compared to its heydey.

Cadians are gay and boring.

It died after mods kicked out quests.

You know who actually cheated the Gods and won? The Emperor

Nevermind paid-for sophists turning average joes who manages to snap out of the Einheitstrott into idols and effigies, and destroy their legacies with it whilst maintaining the debtcattle ranch.

Jesus:

These usurers are lying to you!

Sophists:

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Luther:

These usurers are lying to you!

Sophists:

Listen up peasants, the new "Good People"-manual just dropped. We have a great deal for you, a true bargain! Secure yourself unlimited access to all workshops and mass -- reserve your spot in 'Heaven: Remastered®' today! For the low price of your people's future! Subscribe today and get a free two-way ticket to a random theatre of war in Europe!

Gottfried Feder:

These usurers are lying to you!

Sophists:

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Average joes of Occupy Wallstreet:

These usurers are lying to you!

Sophists:

Listen up folx, the new "Good People"-manual just dropped. We have a great deal for you, a true bargain! Secure yourself unlimited access to all workshops and episodes of our podcast -- reserve your spot in 'Our New Brave and Diverse World®' today! For the low price of your people's future! Subscribe today and get a free one-way ticket to a remote desert of our choice, that you couldn't even find on a map!

why would all the primarchs be black

Anyone else think Guard aesthetics > Space marine aesthetics? There are so many cool looking Guard regiments

interest is a mechanism to make use of human greed. it lubricates the flow of capital between people for productive purposes, which is obviously good for everybody. to rail against 'usury' is pretty much an admission that a) you are retarded and b) you don't understand anything about economics or human nature. BTW when they go full retard and ban usury everyone has to start jumping through hoops to do basic functions of society. go look up islamic finance, it's a joke. then kill yourself. retard

That's okay.
You do so every time you swing your sword anyways.

interest is a mechanism to make use of huma- ACK!

yeah no argument? I didn't think so. In a just world I'd be able to shoot you in the street for being so low iq

became a living corpse and is slowly losing his humanity

I'm sure he's tired of winning.

*uses the blessing of the emperor to annihilate your champions soul*
Praise big E!

In a just world (this one) we slaughtered your people like pigs

economic and historical illiteracy

Whew lad.

The origin story of globohomo and its usury boils down to:

once upon a time the world has been peaceful and harmonious, then came along a snakeoil merchant

the snakeoil merchant has sent ahead an ostensibly filthy-rich bait to a village

the bait very publically flaunted his shinies and pitched worthless magic paper to the villagers

the villagers sought out the snakeoil merchant, willing to trade their everything for worhless magic paper

a week later, after realizing that its worthless magic paper they couldn't use anywhere else, they returned to the merchant to trade it back

the snakeoil merchant told them that he would be a fool to trade back all the resources for the original prices, as there are so few resources in comparison to the volumes of worthless magic paper now in circulation

villagers involved legal authority which told them to fuck off, because the trades were legal -- the merchant didn't lie, the bait did and the villagers didn't bother asking the merchant or reading the fineprint

the snakeoil merchant showed "mercy" and allowed the villagers to burrow the resources against a fee and interest paid with the worthless magic paper

[fast forward] the village is bankrupt and indebted, everyone's at each other throat having scammed each other out of their worthless magic paper to pay their own fees

the merchant once again showed "mercy" and offered them a deal: if they assume the role of the bait and spread the good word of the worthless magic paper in other villages they'll be allowed to stay in their homes and toil their fields

[fast forward] the merchant is now considered the sovereign, writing the laws and ruling over terminally indebted and blackmailed royality and common folk alike, all the while canonizing the most prolific baits as prophets and whatnot

[fast forward] (You)'re here.

(cont.)

An argument made without support can be dismissed without support

These bots aren't even subtle.

Money != currency. Money is a vacuous commodity, that is valueed in itself in roundabout ways -- through its supply controlled by a select few private hands and through the demand, created artificially (and in utter defiance of sound economy) by sophists that are paid with it. If you will the only real currency left is influence. It's the one thing that has enabled the many criminal industries to endure every conceivable crisis. Warmongers, child-traffickers, corrupt cleptocrats and so on, all sustain themselves om influence. Money is just the intermeditary between them and (You). Money isn't even physically printed or digitially generated (probably not even tabulated at all) anymore. It is merely 'assumed to exist' in the past(debt), the present(credit) and the future(interest) in whatever volumes necessary to incentivize, if not outright to control your behaviour. You are provided worthless magic paper, of which there always simultanousely exists too much, too little and none at all, in exchange for your labor, your sweat, your tears and your lifetime, and you pay interest with your future and your dignity -- while those who provide it to you still barter with goods, services and favors like mankind has done since time immemorial.
You are sold shoddily designed, terminally and purposely obsolescent devices and hyperprocessed, inedible slop that are produced at surplus and destined for a landfill. Corporations slash your wages, cut corners and work you into a burnout, because they run on loans, floating an inch above bankruptcy at all times, and have to scam you out of your loans to pay their own interest and debt. Just like you and everyone else, too, they are fighting an uphill battle against unconditional and non-negotiable "number go up!" and the incessant, albeit only proverbial at this point, BRR! of printers.
(cont.)

You didn't finish the job. You lost. The world belongs to us, slave.

Resources are shuffled across the world in what amounts to supranational Communism, to fuel "national" Capitalism -- the consensus cracking apparatus that's selling you merchandize and bombards you with advertisments.

It's one grand pyramid scheme run by bait-people, who LARP as bureaucrats of incorporated labor camps, for their owners: snakeoil merchants.

Those who shill Crypto (or the "economic" theories of "Capitalism" and "Communism") are effectively shilling a solution that's none, to people who don't even know that they have a problem, whilst still being stuck in globohomo's convoluted cinematographic universe themselves.
There's no fixing a system whose foundation is rotten to its core. No matter what you may implement, unless you audit the banks and assign tardwranglers to the people running them, there's no hope for any theory -- much less another faux currency. There's not much of an economy left, anon.
People are selling problems and renting out metastizing shortterm solutions (smaller, dressed up problems). Why? Because the longer any given problem exists, the more interest and debt are generated. Imagine a world in which there existed durable, high quality devices and food that's not just nutritional blanks coated in industrial waste, and medicine that cures disease. How could you hope to keep up the illusion of value? How could you justify the abundance of worthless magic paper, if the shelves weren't full of garabage only produced to scam and bought due to constant suggestion and parasocial pressure.

People believe money to be valueable, because they believe it to represent the goods they buy with it -- in a sense they are correct: the bare minimally viable product that they have to get coerced to buy and use is a great representation. The past +300yrs of social misengineering and botched eugenics have successfully created a sub-species of mindlessly consuming drones to whom quality (need/purpose) is an utterly foreign concept.
(cont)

faith

There's no faith involved, he is actually demonstrably psychically abled so its just acknowledging reality

no one really knows what he allows or disallows or even if he is capable of either.
I think John Blanche said in his commentary of his own work that the image of the Emperor on the golden throne was supposed to be a corpse. he's dead, or at least that was the intention of Blanche at the time... though it's generally kept vague.

with nuGW they just make shit up so who cares.

Warhammer? Video Games?

ALL of The Primarchs will NEVER EVER come back. They would have to resurrect a few of them and worse yet, they would have to go full Blizzard with redeeming characters.
Fulgrim is the only traitor Primarch that has a chance to come back to help humanity, and that is only because of Clonegrim. Peter Turbo MIGHT turn on chaos, but he won't become a loyalist again. He just would get pissy(like always) about the forces of Chaos not endlessly praising him. Everyone else? Is firmly in the grasp of Chaos. No, Magnus would not count. Even if he tried, we all know how things turn out when he tries to help humanity.

I'm not a kike you fat retard, I just don't possess animal level intelligence. Parting thoughts - society didn't fail you, you failed in life all on your own.

successfully created a sub-species of mindlessly consuming drones to whom quality (need/purpose) is an utterly foreign concept.

Women have always existed

yeah but they're not >going strong

Borealium is canon

These threads are not for video games.

BASED

STEEL REYHN

Your days are numbered, kike rat.

500th post

If he's dead then who's manning the astrololicon?

It's a spambot going through its canned script to drum up conservative support. Don't reply to it, engagement is the metric of its success.

Ask yourself: why do people now care about a banker's pet retconning the abysmal state of the world "economy" with retarded tariffs, but not about the past five years -- when the system has been run into the ground without the slightest pretense of moderation, other than likewise retarded LARPs starting in 2019? Because they fundamentally do not understand the system that defines their lives. They react to stimuli like terminally domesticated debtcattle. Their contemplation and retrospection stops every single time at the

I've been scammed!

it never progresses to

Why did I believe the lies, why didn't I pay attention?

Considering and calling this a feat of learned helplessness is an expression of the sliver of faith I've managed to retain. So, debtcattle-kun, what's your gameplan going forwards? Will you continue to subscribe to and peddle [current thing] in [current year], or will you turn your life around and become part of the change the world is in dire need of?

In short: there's a reason usury is only applied out-group, never in-group. Unless you belong to the in-group, you just out yourself as terminally domesticated debtcattle when arguing for usury. Even if you do belong to the in-group, you're proving yourself myopic and dysgenic.

However, thanks for the opportunity to dust off the pasta.

Cadia is less boring than the rest of the imperial guard...

Based spambot spreading the good word

Anon Babbletards are indistinguishable from bots

Lel.

JEWS ROCK

Ask yourself: how the emporer/enpire handled the monetary system before/after the Golden Throne imprisonment.

The administratum is what happens when usury runs rampant.

Not really. They're just Stormship Troopers and are boring as fuck aesthetics wise. They don't even have any cool characters

Derailing a thread 20 posts before it reaches bump limit? What's the fucking point?

the existence of extra-dimensional cosmic-tier psychic predators that literally feed on the faith and emotions of mortals

these aren't 'gods' even though they are called that in-universe.
a chaos 'god' is a titanic psychic storm that exists in the warp, a product of emotions, thoughts or actions that it corresponds to in the physical universe.
mortals literally create warp entities. daemons are our own evil thoughts and emotions preying upon, feeding upon itself exponentially which leads to massive disasters like the Eldar Fall.

The Emperor, I think, was trying to reduce this effect of mortals creating warp entiuties by attempting to at least somewhat reduce superstitious behaviour by eliminating religion and replacing it with reason/logic/etc.
that's what he intended by the Imperial Truth, I think.
Of course this is 40k so this intent gets completely perverted into it's polar opposite. Everything he intended failed.

Starship* fuck I'm stupid

Ask yourself: how the emporer/enpire handled the monetary system before/after the Golden Throne imprisonment.

who the fuck knows lol

40k is about painting toy soldiers and powerlevel arguments, not some gay armchair economist ramblings

it lubricates the flow of capital between people for productive purposes, which is obviously good for everybody

Stop right there. Do you know what "production" really means? The first step is always the exploitation of natural environment. The environment being exploited takes time to regenerate. If the exploitation keeps going on at a rate beyond the environment's ability to regenerate, the environment is slowly destroyed until it's unable to support further exploitation. By encouraging "production," you are encouraging exploitation, almost always at a rate that is impossible to maintain. "Progress" like this really means burning away finite resources at an increasingly rapid pace. We cannot maintain "progress" and be sustainable at the same time.

they go full retard and ban usury everyone has to start jumping through hoops to do basic functions of society

Wrong. You just think of those things as basic because they are commonplace in the modern unsustainable world. Because they require this unsustainable world to be possible, they are unnatural.

Who the fuck knows.
It was probably some keyword that showed up in a search.

Probably an Israeli bot.

It's funny because I bet that the people who rage about usury here take loans anyway and then blame the system for it.

I am very intelligent

shit-tons of sacrificial psykers as far as i know.

there are other things like the Imperial Tarot that have rather mysterious causes too btw

youtube.com/watch?v=NCOSao1KEQo
at about 8:50 he talks about the throne pic

Don't bite the hands that feed you, goy.

Wooooow, the people who have first hand experience of being kiked are the most vocal. Shocking, just SHOCKING. Truly, you are a...nay, THE GREATEST THINKER of this generation No one but you and your enlightened intelligence could have noticed this. It's so funny and quaint.

troon got so buttmad he reported my post to the jannie

LMAO

1000 a day, and that's just to power the thing. You still need to control it, and that's what the emperor does. Also Girlyman communicated with him when he returned to Terra.

Be grateful for the monetary aid given to you at the time of your need for a small premium.

he could be alive, in some way. i dunno. i'm just making the point that his motivations for 'allowing' the Ecclesiarchy are unclear, given his past positions on religion. if he is allowing it.
maybe he changed his mind and is now just using his believers psychic force to... become a chaos god of whatever? it seems gay desu

i wish they'd just kept him mysterious. i wish they'd kept the horus heresy a mythological backstory for the main setting instead of writing it into loads of novels.

story elements become weaker if they are explained too much, personalized too much, detailed too much.

more like herus whoresy
Lol got em

goast

I never took out any interest loan, if I cease to have the means to support myself I'll just die.

What's a pyramid scheme?

Do I have to fall for a scam to hate the scam, if those who do fall for it are incentivized/forced by it to be their absolute worst and attempt to scam me?
Do I have to be addicted to drugs in order to loath drug dealers, when drug addicts rob me at gunpoint to finance their addiction?