Are we getting dlc? and if so then what kind of dlc?

Are we getting dlc? and if so then what kind of dlc?

Probably yeah. I'm hoping for some optional super-ultra bosses.

Already confirmed.

Considering the quality of the game the DLC will likely be Witcher 3 or Elden Ring level if they're not stupid and want to keep the momentum.

More super-ultra bosses won't matter if they don't continue to adjust the shitty balance of this game, and they know that.
Wanting to chase that Disgaea-high post Act 2 is one of the reasons the game falls off.

totally game sold well

I've been thoroughly convinced by this game that a 30-40 hour RPGs with 10 additional hours of side content is the ideal RPG length.

I'd like that.

i hope we can get a what-if scenario for gustave

Expedition 0
Expedition 60
Sexpedition 69

Those are my DLC ideas

Expedition 60

Pitch me an Expedition 60 game.

Level 0, 99 str, 99 agi half naked parry gods killing any nevron they see

a prequel DLC in expedition 0 or something that happens after in the war between the painters vs the writers
is 60 the brute force crew or was the expeiditon 70?

chances are good

already confirmed

Expedition Zero is definitely my guess.

Expedition 0 where you play as Simon would be kino. Final boss being the Axon he killed, before he goes mad.

The Body Builder crew. How the fuck could they figure out the truth about the Paintress without the cheat code known as Verso or Maelle, I'll never know.

Anons are illiterate, please understand

Instead of a turn-based RPG it's a straight-up brawler.

Final boss being the Axon he killed, before he goes mad.

Nah, that shit would be mid-game. That's before he meets Aline, and then descends into Renoir's Drafts.

i wouldn't trust journalists who can't even use the appropriate "FRPG" acronym

I have a feeling the devs are scratching their heads thinking how to continue this story, because it feels as if it was supposed to be one-and-done.
And I for one really doesn't want Joker 2 situation, where you make a sequel for a game that doesn't need a sequel just because the previous game sold.

Coop beat em up with hundreds of moves. You can dismember Nevrons to hurt others with their legs.

God Hand but you play as 60 year old naked roided geezers

The Expedition with the girl Verso fell in love with, Julie.

They'll probably just bend the knee and add some retarded mechanic that prevents you from one shotting them because of autists

Personally I would love to either see a completely different canvas (although I don't know how the gang would be able to travel between canvases) or a scenario where Clea enters a canvas to solve the family drama herself and turns it into a total hellscape

Expedition 69

Inspired by Death Stranding

Even more platforming sections

I would play that, but I would be cautious

How the fuck could they figure out the truth about the Paintress without the cheat code known as Verso or Maelle, I'll never know.

Just PUNCH the Demiurge to DEATH

They actually bothered lifting and pushing the human limit to the max, unlike dyels such as Gustave & Verso and soft women like the entire cast
Verso LITERALLY had 90+ years to get jacked and yet...

I for one would like to see a DLC that unlocks a new, third ending, that then leads directly to a sequel.
That would solve many problems the devs currently have.

But the sea

CROSS IT

But the coral

BREAK IT

But the Chroma barrier

PUNCH IT

But Giantess

KICK IT

But the canvas

RIP AND TEAR

Literally all they need to do is make a boss immune or at least severely resistant to void damage and that cockblocks Stendahl and Gommage, and that's just one example.

This seems like the most obvious direction from a feel good standpoint. But I feel like it'd also damage the endings provided at the same time.
A DLC where you play as Painted Verso in an alternative route through the first act of the game, and then you can choose to save Gustave or not would be kino.

At the same time it'd be cool to have some additional explanation or continuation from the real world.

Prostitution DLC.

DLC revives Gustave in act 3

Gustave can enter the room between painting an reality thanks to Maelle's blessing

Third option in the final fight ''Fight as Gustave''

Gustave kills and stops Verso from destroying the painting

After Maelle repaints everyone in the painting Gustave kills her to force her out of painting

Personally I'd like more info about the outside world, maybe have the writers enter the canvas or some shit.
also more info on how the fuck that expedition that just went around placing all the climbing shit got inside the fucking monolith. literally HOW?
Clea's already at the tower, shes the one painting the challenges isn't she? or is that another splinter like the one at the flying manor

I mean, the solution is very easy. Just cap the Painted Power picto. Instead of dealing unlimited damage, cap it to maybe 40k or something.
And after you kill the final boss, reward a player with uncapping the cap, so they can go to town.

he is my favorite character in this game and i am still not over it

After Maelle repaints everyone in the painting Gustave kills her to force her out of painting

I'm surprised this wasn't an option, just team up to kick her out without destroying the canvas

That doesnt change shit.
Every single character in the game is capable of one shotting Simon 2nd Phase on Expert since at that point you have access to all the in game resources
Even if they add a 100m+ HP boss, it doesn't matter because once again, at that point you have characters acting twice even before Simon, which becomes 4x with Cheater, or 6-8x with Sciel for one character of choice.
And what's the problem with that? Let the autismos who want their perfect parry runs suffer, let people that want to break the game have fun as well
Simon reducing your HP to 1 is already shit ass design since it doesn't let your characters tank him thus removing a whole playstyle based on all the % damage reductions and high HP/Defense etc.

I even found an even bittersweet ending to this option too:

Maelle is forced out of the painting, she listens to her dad and recovers from prolonged time in the painting

Once she goes back to the painting she finds out old man Gustave in his deathbed with his children and grandchildren with Sophie

You know, having a DLC that adds a lengthy and dramatic quest to revive Gustave that unlocks in Act 3, does sound like a fun idea. And after that you are awarded with a new ending, WHERE GUSTAVE ACTUALLY EMPATHIZES WITH MAELLE'S CASE AND CONVINCES HER TO LIVE HER LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE PAINTING, BECAUSE NOBODY IN THAT FUCKING GAME EVER BOTHERED TO GIVE ANY GENUINE ARGUMENTS AS TO WHY SHOULD SHE LEAVE THE FUCKING CANVAS.

DLC that fixes the shit endings

Aline and Maelle both turning into unhinged schizos the longer they were in the canvas is enough of an argument by itself.

Maelle would literally kys after that
She obviously spends the whole game wanting the dead Big Gustave Dick
Actually, she's probably just repaint Gustave into a big dicked himbo like Simon, clone him for a prime Gustave harem, and then Gommage his family out of existence

boooooorrrrrrinnnnnnngg. keep your golden endings to Fire Emblem

Clea dating sim. We're getting it. I will marry by beloved Clea.

They engaged in dialogue with her before attacking because they built not only their bodies but their minds.

Expedition 0 should be it's own game

Clea going in a hunt against the writers in the real world. Depending on the ending you choose, she will defeat Alicia in the painting

Literally nobody gives a shit about the Dessentres plot line. And literally everyone was hyped over the expedition plotline.

The expedition plot is just so you have an excuse to beat monsters, it doesn’t matter in the slightest what you do there because you still end up with ”lul I erase you :-)” in the end anyway.

I don't think Alicia cares if she dies in real life or not, so that's not much of an argument. I guess the only one that would weep for her would be her father, but only because her death unconvenienced him or something.

NG+

Gustave doesn't unlock his skills

Gustave can't remain a party remember after Act 1 even if just for mechanics/not story chances

Absolutely soulless and point number 1 ruins the game retroactively

sex with maelle dlc

Literally nobody gives a shit about the Dessentres plot line.

I care about Clea. If the DLC doesn't let me Cleamaxx like Simon then I won't be playing it.

I can fix her.

I care. Specifially, I care about Alicia. The rest of the family can fuck off, though.

I haven't bothered with NG+ yet, what rolls over?

Aline would have done literally nothing outside of sitting in place playing house if Renoir didn't do the Verso autistic screeching of walking in and imemdiately shitting axons all over the place.
As we know this, and Maelle knows this, and even when her mom was at the peak of her unhingedness she still kept her creations safe, there is simply no reason why Maelle would not want that. Nobody actually has a discussion with her, (even when she literally tells Verso they should sit and talk), so here we are.

You care more about the people of Lumiere and expedition members who you spent 50 hours with, no?

If they make a sequel which ending should they make canon?

but only because her death unconvenienced him or something

Based retard who misreads even Renoir.

Nobody actually has a discussion with her, (even when she literally tells Verso they should sit and talk),

You don't argue with junkies who want to kill themselves because they'll never agree.
You force their hand until they stop acting like retards.

Ah yes, the number 1 advice to people with addictions.
"Force the matter, it's YOU who needs to want them to get better. Making them understand? That solves nothing, just keep screaming, that'll solve it."
Truly an addiction 101 quote.

No, you send them to rehab, especially thx suicidal ones who refuse to listen to you.

The Body Builder crew

How did they fail though? I'm genuinely wondering since they brought down the barrier by just fucking flexing.

>if Renoir didn't do the Verso autistic screeching of walking in and imemdiately shitting axons all over the place

Aline, please put the crackpipe down, you are killing yourself, your daughters need you in the real world

YOU WILL NOT TAKE THIS CANVAS FROM ME!!!! I WILL GRIEVE IN MY OWN WAY

All I’m reading here is that the only person that could convince Maelle to leave the Canvas is Gustave.

I don't care about NPCs no

Do you think rehab is some form of containment zone where people are forced to detox or something? Are you retarded or do you simply not have any world knowledge whatsoever?

Renoir slaughtered them when they went down to fight him and the last one gommaged on his swim back to Lumiere trying to warn everyone that the Paintress wasn't the enemy.

Yes, and i'm %100 sure Verso is regretful as fuck for letting him die like that.

Get back to sucking Renoir's cock, Verso. You are typing schizo posts again.

How did they fail though?

They didn't, they reached the Paintress, they found out the truth and swam all the way back to Lumiere without a boat.
Except Renoir gommaged the guy who reached the port before he could give that info.

From my understanding Renoir killed them when they uncovered the truth, as he has admin power he simply erased them or something like that

gommaged on his swim back to Lumiere trying to warn everyone

What an absolute chad

What really pisses me of is that Maelle flat out asks both Renoir and Verso why should she go back to real life and live as a fucking cripple at the age of 16 and neither of them have any argument. Renoir just dismisses it with generic "it'll be fine" and when she tells him that she lost so much, he just goes "well, I lost a lot too". Good job making this shit about yourself. And Verso just says it's not the right to do. When Alicia asks for alternative, he drops the issue and starts fighting her.
That's just bad parenting.

I'd rather it be some unique super dungeon with its own story and not something that redoes the story.

And that's why he gets sent to the piano mines.

Every character is not real

Is that why the killed him off? It just seems rather off that she didn’t revive him at the start of act 3

Except Alice/Maele yes

is some form of containment zone where people are forced to detox or something?

The good ones are.
Detox+tons of therapy

A dlc about what? Literal NPCs in Lumiere?
meh

No he isn't.

I spend 50 hours with Alicia as well, so your question is stupid.

They said "No". And that's a good thing.

He killed him in order to slip himself inside the party and get closer to Maele. He is an established liar.

Aline DLC where you get to the prime early 20's version of her

No he's not, he's an inveterate liar and a goals-focused Machiavellian. Gustave was a potential obstacle, the only member of the party smart enough to notice inconsistencies and not be distracted by deflections like Lune so he made sure Gustave would be eliminated.

He let Renoir kill Gustave because he knew it would make Maelle easier to manipulate, unironically

So what will the sequel gonna be about? Big sister fucking some writer shit up?

retarded 16 year old asks a retarded question because she lacks life experience

is dismissed

Agreeing with Alicia there means you never outgrew your teenage years.
Alicia would rather wallow in self pity than actually do something with her life. Even glher ending is just that since she's torturing her brother in some insane cope.

It will be about my self-insert Simon falling in love with Clea

I understand "real" Renoir is trapped under the Monolith we don't meet him until Act 3 and that the one who tries to stop E33 was painted by Aline, but I don't understand who painted the Curator. Since he helped break the chroma barrier, I assume it was real Renoir but why would he paint a copy of himself while in the canvas?

In the end anon, in the end. Everything you just said is about his motivation through out the game. We are talking about the last 5 minutes where he had to fight Maele.

*rail

sequel

if they are having a little sense there wont be one

Ideally no sequel but if we had to have one, Typing of the Clair Obscur: Total Painter Death.

Bunch of people involved will kill themselves and no sequel will ever come out

69 were the climbers and they died a bit before the monolith
60 went in with protein shakes, looted their stuff and planted more climbing holds "for those who come after"

They hint a lot at the bigger plot outside the canvas though. Like how Alice fell for their trap and caused Verso's death etc.

Would.

Isn't the curator just the real Renoir?

If they link to E33's story directly it'll be in DLC.
A sequel game I think will use the Clair Obscur name and be set in the same "Painters/Writers" reality but not be directly linked to the Dessendres, or at least not Verso's Canvas.

Just beat it (verso ending) last night. That final wave with Gustave at the memorial

Alicia would rather wallow in self pity than actually do something with her life

But she won't get there without support. And the only people who support her are the painted people. Her sister is a cunt that thinks she's a waste of space, her mother subconsciously hates her and her father keeps making it about himself.

It is yes. I always thought of him as a projection Renoir used from his sealed place inside the monolith

It's almost always the same bullshit obviously forced reason to have people return to the real world in these type of magical world stories

oh um actually... your true body is slowly dying while you're here!!!

i-it's not real!! Despite the fact it feels 1000% real, now just go back to the real world and face the true challenges of living, there's strength in that!!!!

And of course that's always introduced 5m before the ending

Her sister is a cunt that thinks she's a waste of space

If you'd paid attention to Clea content in Act 3, you'd know she cares. It's just tough love.

Almost like... she could come back into the painting again easily... wow...

70 Were the better climbers, their note is right before the 2nd Renoir fight INSIDE the monolith. Absolute gods setting up all those grapples.

isekai.... good.

escapism... good.

Clea cares but he cared about Valso more and he is dead. Just like others, she is coping by going after the writers and wants everyone to get their shit together.

Dealing with grief and and loss was the big theme of the game.
The ending was just the culmination of it all since the cute and nice girl you've been following all along refuses to move on from it.

Yes and they made it that far WITHOUT cheat codes that is Maele and Verso.

Tough love never helps and it's a reason why so many literal boomer dads were absolute shit at parenting
Especially when you're a literally deformed always in physical and mental pain creature like Alicia

You vill play ze piano and you vill enjoy it

DILK incoming

Alicia was already like that before Verso's death .
It made her personality worse but her relationship with Clea seems to have been always the same.

A man whose steps leave no trace
A man whose voice sound like tears
A man whose memory erase
A man whose time flow off-beats

Did I just miss *where* Alicia hid the canvas? Clea makes a big deal of saying how clever the hiding spot is, but then it was never mentioned again in the main plot. And Aline managed to find it very quickly to come back for the fight against Renoir's Axons.

Story literally spells out that there is an active war going on outside. She needs the family to function as soon as possible. Clea also lost her lover which was a writer. Gustave and her GF was inspired by them.

Don't forget no lumina converter either, so only a few pictos.

Why does Alicia even need cuckverso on the piano anyways
Painted Verso is not the remnants of actual child Verso which is the crumbling child npc
And Painted Verso has no Painter powers unlike you know... Alicia even if she canonically is the weakest of her family at that, but the fucking whole world has been laid out already by Aline, Renoir and shotaVerso

JUST PLAY THE FUCKIN' PIANO, CRYBOY

They never mention it.
But Aline found out in like two real world minutes so Renoir is right in that regard.
Painters can paint in reality so you can't outdo Aline.

Why does Alicia even need cuckverso on the piano anyways

She tells you, screaming at that, that all she wants is Verso and she's just as bad as her ok and using him as a substitute to cope.
And brainwashed him to boot.

The whole hiding spot idea was retarded nonsense you'd expect out of a teen like Alicia and Clea was really dumb to ever go along with it
Where the FUCK would Alicia the deformed social outcast cripple who never leaves her house hide it, the fucking Paris Catacombs lmao?

She’s a video game character

If she had truly brainwashed him he would be playing the piano happily instead of crying like a sad sack

She did her best, okay? Alicia's trying hard despite her mental disabilities and Clea appreciates her for it.

Fuck him, he deserves every second of whatever he gets. There isn't a single moment of the story he isn't actively working to murder and betray those who are risking their lives to help him do it. Irredeemable character imo.

The reason to pick Maelle ending isn't to help Maelle (because it might be worse for her in the long run), it's to punish that fuckboi and prolong his suffering.

Clea

Francios shouldn't you be in your cave?

She wanted to try giving him free will.
Didn't work so brainwashed piano it is, he even looks better after her jumpscare.

Just hide the canvas better Renoir, you fucking hack

Eternal youth

God that pampers you and loves you

But you are based on a dead kid (nevermind that regular people are based on fucking nothing)

Would this scenario mindbreak you into mass-murder + suicide? Retarded nonsense.

Which is retarded since letting Gustave live would have worked in his favor

I don't think a sequel will have anything to do with Dessendre family or Verso's canvas.

There isn't a single moment of the story he isn't actively working to murder and betray those who are risking their lives to help him do it.

Act 3, until Alicia becomes her mom.
He was fully on board with her plan until her final conversation with Renoir.
Everything Verso does, it's always for his family, no matter the cost

Knowing that my mother was killing herself to maintain it probably would, yeah.

Anon, you are obviously retarded so let's leave it at that

It’s probably gonna be like Final Fantasy where is Clair Obscure is a different thing

be aware your whole "life" you are nothing but a fake prop your "mother" is using to cope

Verso is not exactly smart.

We need A Life to Dream ending.

Clea comes into the canvas to take Maelle out

Maelle controls the canvas now so it won't be easy, Clea needs her own party to beat her

she copies Gustave because he created the Lumina Converter

party is Clea, Gustave, and Francois

final battle is Maelle's Gustave vs Clea's Gustave, both shirtless

ending reflects on the nature of life in the canvas, and what it means to be real

Gustave convinces Maelle to leave

because she painted half the canvas, Clea leaves a party of herself to continue painting and puts Verso to rest

she repaints the people and gives them a new beginning

final shot is Painted Verso, Painted Alicia, Monoco, Noco, and Esquie going on a new adventure

It should be a separate story, play as some other painter or even a writer and cross Clea from time to time at most.
We don't need the entire family to do things again

So did Aline already create her fake obscene family in their full grown ass counterparts? Since they already had their memories
Feels like she's the kind of stupid hag that would like having Renoir court her again etc.

He didn't know the lengths Maele would go to sustain her delusions at the time.

Even though your mother will still die and wants to spend her time in this way.

And your sister as well.

I think the implication is that she created Alicia unscarred then shoved her face into a fireplace and forced her to wear the mask after.

No you might be. They make a point of the lumierans being real people with sentience and experiences. Not NPCs like you said

He actually

ran out of time.

HE WAS SIXTY, RIPPED AS FUCK AND SWAM BACK TO LUMIERE JUST TO GET GOMMAGE'D AT THE FINISH LINE
o7

You fell for his bullshit dummy, he doesn't have a better plan so he's happy to go along until he finds an opportunity, and the precise second he does he unilaterally decides to slaughter his friends and battle companions to facilitate his suicide.

It's proven because if he fails he simply breaks down and begs for death. Not for Maelle to leave, but for death. He doesn't give a fuck about her, he just wants his suffering to end at any cost.

Fake even though you are real.

Waaaaaaaah it’s the wrong substrate (paint) now I’m sad! I want to be made of atoms (even though paint is made of atoms)

Verso is just a retarded character that acts irrationally.

Oh no!
Nobody has ever had shitty parents! This changes everything!

He's still lying. That's all he does. If Renoir's Axon of him didn't clue you into that I don't know what will.

Painted Verso at least is based on something and improved upon that
humankeks are literally created out of nothing based on shitty lizard brain mechanics from 100000000000 years ago lmao

I pick Maelle's ending because it fucks over the Painters. Simple as.

it's crazy the dedication the older games used to take. 60-80 hour playthroughs with hard save points and tons of text or unskippable cutscenes.

I'm closing on 60 and still haven't beaten Simon lol. Probably another 3 or 4 hours just trying to get his parry timing right.

Dude being based on a dead kid… How dark is that? Ughh I’m so depressed even my eternal youth and big titted asian GF can’t cheer me up. Everyone… must die.

This one of the worst characters of all time. At least he looks cool and has cool lines.

improved upon that

You mean because his mom gave him and Renoir both huge horse cocks?

Where the FUCK would Alicia the deformed social outcast cripple who never leaves her house hide it

The ventilation room with all the other hidden paintings.

They are all NPCs created with the memories of the painter. They can be created, erased and recreated on a moments notice unlike the painters themselves. Only determining factor is painters skill. I don't really feel anything for a thing that literally can not die if i so wish. They are just glorified projections.
Also, entire painting will collapse regardless when Alice dies because there will be no one left to maintain/witness it anymore. We don't even know if residents are conscious when no painter is present in the canvas considering it started as a child's playground made during his free time.

it was just to replace him as the big brother figure

With jiggle physics. Just how heavy are those.

fucks over the Painters

Only thing it fucks over is Maelle herself. And that's the point of that ending.

Obviously, there was also no way real Verso had that aesthetic body as well in late 1800s Paris or whatever
And given the size of Gustave's bulge, Aline is definitely a degenerate who obviously corrupted the purity of child Verso's painting which only had cute Gestrals and Grandis and Esquie and wasn't filled with big painted cock males

I don't really feel anything for a thing that literally can not die if i so wish.

Versotards are so stupid lol. moron if the painted people aren't real neither is Verso. His actions are either meaningless if he isn't real and is essentially an automaton, or disgustingly evil if he is real. And only he personally would know for sure if he is.

So you're simping for a guy that either doesn't exist or is a literal monster.

Tell that to Lune retard

They’re conscious because the substrate is magic paint!

They’re not conscious because the substrate is silicone circuits!

They’re not conscious because the substrate is carbon!

Fellas, if your wife goes to an imaginary world where she can create anything, and decides to fuck and live with a clone of yourself, did you get cucked or is she extra faithful?

Reddit—-we will NEVER play your woke parry slop.

Go easy on the samefagging

These guys are so based, only Expedition until 33 to climb the Gestral Beach tower and refused their reward because clothing is haram

Every man now has the endowment of a centaur

No STDs

No pregnancy

No sexual or racial discrimination in their society apparently

Immortality

Having seen what french porn has to offer, I know where this goes.
Everything inside out and gaping.

So the Verso in Maelle's ending is Aline Verso's? Why couldn't Maelle make a new one who would've forgot this shit?

I want dlc where gustave lives desu. I don't care if it's lame.

Just call it an RPG. It doesn't need a regional label.

Don't forget Aline giving painted Clea a hot bf and real Clea then painting him to be some muscled god slayer himbo
As if Maelle wouldn't have a harem of Gustaves too, the Dessandre women are fucking sluts, all of them

To be honest I'd get a fascinating ego boost if my wife was the literal architect of architects when it comes to multidimensional creation, and the dude that she decides is her perfect husband is me with a slightly fancier coat.
Just how good is Renoir dicking her, really?

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You're very close, anon.
Whatever argument can be used to invalidate the existence or sense of self of the Lumierians based on their unequal power dynamics with their petty demiurge gods (the Painters) can be applied one to one with the Painters (or you and me) and a creator God, or any being in a "higher" dimension of existence.

Always has been. Rebirth convinced me that I'm never playing another RPG that's gonna take over 100 hours.

+At the height of her sorrow.
+During an active time of conflict against Renoir.
STILL went for him anyway.

Renoir factually proven the apex of human masculinity.

Naked 60-year old roided gigachads beating the everliving shit out of giant Nevrons barehanded.

You know how climaxes in music have satisfying drops where all the instruments come in? E33 is like a music piece that never climaxes and instead changes genre at the end.

It invokes feelings in the audience that never get any resolution. Is that to make a point? Maybe, but you don’t need a 60 hour RPG to make such a point, nor should you take 60 hours of someone’s time to make such a point, you can use a couple of sentences for that.

The plot in 33 is so banal, it does not deserve to be a 60 hour game. Such a plot should be a short film. RPGs NEED fleshed out and organic worlds, if the world is not fleshed out and real it just feels like a shitty toy and not something you can immerse yourself in. A family drama is not something that can entertain me for 60 hours, and I feel my time has been disrespected by the story culminating in such a thing. An RPG where nothing you do matters, you only impact a single family after 60 hours of perfect parrying and slaying gods and monstrosities. A massive anti-climax.

This. Game is done, DLC wouldn't make sense.
Just make a spiritual successor sequel.

DLC makes perfect sense because there's a clear world we could explore and characters that are clearly important to it that we have not seen or experienced.
Is it necessary or whatever? Probably not, though it's clear 80% of the retards that play the game doesn't understand what they just played so then again it might help.

"For those who come after" is such a fucking great line. I generally hate women who aren't my wife, but the writer did a fantastic job. Props to her.

For those who come after

Nothing comes after

Wow, subversive

I understand the double meaning they wanted to imply and I respect it but I really didn't like how they killed of my boy and in general handwaving the pain of erasing Lumiere because their shitty demiurges will "come after".
Not even Gustave is there to see Maelle do something with herself.

woke

Wrong game? This game has foot kino, every single woman is sexy, and all the main characters have bikini outfits. The only black person I can remember dies in 20 seconds.

Hopefully. I want more Clea.

Because her attachment to real Verso and guilt over feeling responsible for his death has her determined to try and give painted Verso a happy life, even if it's against his will. Can thank Aline and Clea for that too since they both blame her.

Bikinis

You expect me believe any modern western game would show skin for an attractive female?

This is the only site left where sex sells still. There would be pictures in all 12 shill threads for this game if that was true.

Yeah I agree, Verso deserves his ultimate punishment of being a beloved piano player living in a happy city filled with friends who care for him, tormented by having to play nice piano concerts before going home every night to compose music and have sex with Lune. Justice is served.

Because she loves both her real brother and also loves painted Verso for who he is. When she first meets him as Real Maelle she says "you're not really Verso" but she doesn't care and still hugs him.

I mean that's only your interpretation. Gustave meant it in the most literal sense, he wants a future for Lumiere. If he knew about all the painter shit going on we have no idea how he would think. The only thing we have to go on is Lune asking him if he would still be able to put Lumiere over Maelle (the person who means most to him), and he says "I hope so."

du du du dUUUUU du du dUUUUUUU duuuu dudududud UDUUU duuu DUu DuuUUUUUU *swag*

Even the 16 year old girl gets a bikini.

The swimsuits aren't exactly sexy but they are based on vintage French swimsuits so it fits. But short of it is they are all attractive enough to draw attention but not 'oversexualized' enough for journalists to jump on a game that is so widely liked.

and have sex with Lune

It makes more sense if he romanced Sciel then since she dumps him for her gommaged husband. Might be why they made it so 99% of people would have him fuck Sciel.

Gustave meant it in the most literal sense

Of course, I'm talking about the intent of the writers.
Not the faction, the actual game writers.

Ah I see
(pic rel)

Ngl I want a hook for a sequel and a way to revive my nigga Gustave.
If they could tie the 60s into that it would be great

What makes me laugh the most is seeing Verso's tombstone and realizing the entire family is going to get gigafucked to the world wars and everything they're doing is ultimately pointless.

this nigga thinks the painters come from earth

read the tombstone again anon

a way to revive my nigga Gustave.

You already did in Maelle's ending.

Elden Ring level if they're not stupid and want to keep the momentum.

Except erdtree sucked.

I wonder if the devs foresaw so many people preferring Gustave to Verso.

I'm pretty sure they did as it gives even more weight to his death

Gustave is more likeable while Verso is more interesting. Change my mind.

That's the opposite of hot, woke slop confirmed

The relationships with Esquie and Monoco alone are more interesting than Gustave.

I mean Gustave is objectively a better person than Verso. Verso is one of the most two-faced, slimey, backstabbing two timing motherfuckers I've ever seen as a lead character. He's very well written.

Verso is one of the most two-faced, slimey, backstabbing two timing motherfuckers I've ever seen as a lead character

And he's right to be one and his ending is canon.

Sneed.

Gustave's relationship with Maelle, Sciel, and Lune are more interesting.

Verso is a complex individual

Gustave is not

Yeah, that's why he's a more interesting character. Verso was also tortured by his old comrades and lover, so what reason does he have to trust anyone.

I've found out men generally prefer Gustave and women prefer Verso.

No, not even close.
Verso's relationship with Maelle is borderline this core of the game and there's actual writing behind his relationship with Sciel.

source: I made it up

Only because Gustave had so little time.

Gustave's supposed to be likeable because his sudden death is supposed to be for Maelle what Verso's was for Alicia. You're supposed to see the effect it has on Maelle, wish there was an option to save him, and then realize that's how Alicia feels about Verso and why she's so tied to the canvas.

I don't see a fucking picture of a bikini liar. Just a bunch of jewgle approved burqua swimwear.

Verso is more interesting

I just find Gustave bland.
Sure he's ok but after his suicide attempt he's just so fucking boring, dude peaks in the prologue and never gets better

Not surprising, women love "tortured and vulnerable" male characters. His mysterious as well so it makes him extra sexy.

Nice of you to concede so fast.

It's done enough so I think the only viable DLC would be a prelude to a sequel.

I concede to rape you too

Paintress was still sane enough to have a conversation.

Verso was also tortured by his old comrades and lover

After he had already betrayed them.

Do they? I've seen women simping more hardcore for Gustave than I have Verso, while in contrast a lot of guys finding Verso cooler because of the more 'anti-hero' traits and his play style.

fitlit?

Yeah

I. AM. NOT. CRAZY

Simon-centric Clea-focused dating mechanics

I've seen the exact opposite. Even here people are always calling Gustave 'chad' or 'my nigga' while Verso is described ass 'deep', 'complex' and 'realistic'

so obsessed with Clea his corpse reanimates to continue serving her

Bros... he's what I aspire to be

The only thing I’d be interested in is a game set in the outside world, exploring more of the relationship between the painters and writers. Hell, maybe each game would be better off as an anthology of sorts, each one taking place in different paintings with different styles. Verso’s being oil style and Clea’s being watercolor or something different. Could be cool.

I don't understand why anyone would call him complex. He's got a very simple motivation and just lies to everyone all the time even when telling the truth might benefit him.
I guess most people just aren't able to see that? The game kind of hammers that point in pretty hard so I don't understand how.

i honestly didnt realize that gustave was voiced by charlie cox until a few hours into the game.
i thought it was just ben starr but with a lighter tone.

No shit, Verso has negative chemistry with Lune and barely any with Sciel

He's got a very simple motivation and just lies to everyone all the time even when telling the truth might benefit him

The dude was basically Pinocchio’d, realized he wasn’t real and treated the world and everyone in it nihilistically until Maslow came around and gave him the sub conscious desire to help her. Hes actually very complex when you peel back his relationship with everyone and why he’s now deciding to do what he’s doing to help them.

Maelle* lmao. What I get for phoneposting

treated the world and everyone in it nihilistically

He didn't do this because he wasn't "real" but because everyone he got to know only ended up dying.

The dude was basically Pinocchio’d, realized he wasn’t real and treated the world and everyone in it nihilistically

I don't think I agree. It's pretty spelled out that getting tortured by his gf and friends after trying to gaslight her about his torso getting half-blasted off is what changed him.

Wow who could’ve predicted that’d happen when you have immortality?

barely any with Sciel

His relationship with Sciel is great.
Gustave legitimately has negative chemistry with her.

During the intro, when you Lune playing the guitar one of the people listening to her hints at Gustave and her having a thing but it never worked out right?

everyone he got to know only ended up dying

Yeah and he realized why bother when they’re all just recycled paint people anyways. As someone else pointed out, the family trauma he underwent only further cemented his outlook and behavior.

You wanna see people praise your character as deep just give them one insecurity.

That was kinda taken out of context.

Yeah and he realized why bother when they’re all just recycled paint people anyways

He clearly cared if we go by his own journal entry. When he says that they all deserves to live.

It was Sophie, who didn't feel like getting back with Gustave so she was probably setting her friends up

They have something of a story. Emma dated Lune's brother before he gommage'd, so they're not exactly strangers. Sophie was teasing him though, shit testing him to learn he had moved on. Gustave gave the only acceptable response.

who didn't feel like getting back with Gustave

She was minutes away from dying.

Yes, that's why.

he hates Gustave and doesn't want to give him more time

You're a bad person.

FRPG isn't a genre, it's a JRPG

Literally nobody gives a shit about the Dessentres plot line.

The retard confidently says about a game where tons of people are willing to sacrifice everything for their benefit.

I think he's referring to the players, not the in-game characters.

1. Tons of people are complaining about the act 3 story
2. The canvas gets erased no matter what you do, you’re sacrificing nothing

Story DLC would obviously be great, whatever it is.

Personally though, I'm hoping for a roguelike DLC with random skills/weapons/pictos/enemies. I think I played basically the same build from late act 1 until endless tower floor 10 and then changed a bit but played mostly the same thing for floor 11 and Simon.

2. The canvas gets erased no matter what you do, you’re sacrificing nothing

Versofag cope to justify murdering thousands of people.

I'm tired of roguelikes. Seems like every games adds it in some form nowdays.

To make that ending a bit worse. He also deserves a bit of punishment for his constant betrayals.

Alicia even if she canonically is the weakest of her family at that

I wonder if that's still true in the end, since it was her (+party) who kicked out both Aline and real Renoir while being at a chroma disadvantage.

frenchies don't shave down there, the bulge is 90% bush

Clea giving a single fuck about Alicia wasting her time playing dollhouse when she's got wriggers to kill

Being able to leave the canvas actually solves all the problems in the game so you can't have that.

That was to show that hiding it doesn't work. Clea being impressed/approving of the hiding spot meant that it was a good hiding spot in order to prevent idiots like saying that you just have to find a better one.
The part with the idiot didn't work out, but otherwise the scene was sound.

It's a bit left up to interpretation but I kept getting the idea that Verso was very conflicted during Act 3. Yeah it's made clear before that his ultimate goal was to erase the canvas but Maelle has him having second thoughts up till it becomes clear that she has no intention of ever leaving.

mfw it's paintings all the way down

did they really base their whole painting time dilation thing from inception?

My interpretation wasn't that Renoir admin hacked the canvas or anything, but that they literally ran out of time and the yearly gommage occurred just as they were about to inform everyone of the truth

The painted family was only fake in the way that they aren't the actual family. They are still real people. Just like you, a creation of the Lord, are real.

also has a large amount of replayability

Doesn't have to be that. I'm fine with a story DLC with a new dungeon and new pictos and weapons.

Renoir makes her. Gustave changes her outlook.

Read the journal again. It's very clear about what happened.
The expedition went down to confront Renoir and sent one guy back to Lumiere to tell everyone their findings. The guy ran out of time on his swim back so Lumiere never learned the truth.

Recursive worlds is a thing in every single piece of media that touches on simulated worlds

He's conflicted but is still ultimately going along with Maelle
It's when Aline shows up in the final boss battle and Renoir shows them her acting like a junky IRL that he shits his pants and decides that the canvas needs to be destroyed

Sequel should be an entire new party and storyline but clea should be a party member

be game named Clair Obscur

have an enemy named Clair Obscur

it's just loreless fodder

whatevesth did they meaned by this?

I'm based on my dead grandparents and I'm doing alright.

they already established that they can make paintings within paintings, it's not unreasonable to think that the "real world" we see is another alternate space. Whether that's another painting, a writing, or another of the Arts that seem to all have special powers in their world

It's lampshading. The writers know that hiding it would invalidate the entire story they are trying to tell. So they pay lip-service to the idea that hiding it doesn't work without ever explaining why it doesn't work.

I picked it because I think Sciel should be happy.

Maelle's ultimate skill is not called Clair Obscur

she doesn't cheesily shout the skill name when using it

dropped

I'm based

Good job, man!

It's just bollywood DDR but with accordions and parrying

can create anything she could ever want or imagine

still creates a copy of me

Kinda charming.

This is the the end of Expedition 33! Clair Obscur!

What did Simon mean by this?

That’s true, and I’d say it’s a bad thing. This why simulated worlds just cheapen stuff whenever they appear.

That's why I separated it from story.

I think what you're mentioning would be great, but it would also be very easy for them to add a roguelike mode using the game's combat system for people who just want to do a bunch of combat with challenging restrictions and progression that isn't random self imposed stuff, since right now without self imposed challenges nothing is actually a challenge in the game.

First we Clair, then we Obscur

I teared up

Because there is more to the painted people than what the "VR just like SIMS"-brainlets see.

jrpg

I'm sorry, but I didnt see any stupid mimic or joke stage performance like jrpgs do in this game.

Are we getting dlc?

"GUYS I MUST CONSOOM FUCK GAMES BEING RELEASED AS FINISHED PRODUCTS GIVE ME MORE DLC YUMMY YUMMY IN M-"

STOOOOOP
FUCKING
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

Hard to believe that it is her first real gig as a writer too.

not

Last Chance...! *camera closes in on her* Virtuoso Stance!

Extra Turn

This is it! Final Blow... CLAIR... OBSCUR!!!!

Simon takes 1billion+ dmg and is one shot

And that is why I stopped playing the game, simple as.

Let’s be honest, Anon Babble only accepts le computer game world as good writing because you are infatuated with the rest of the game.

If this game was bad you would’ve torn the writers a new asshole for doing this. It’d be mocked relentlessly

Well. You are here. So... Are you really? Doing alright?

If there's more to them then Maelle/Alicia is an absolute psychopath in her ending.

We some kinda...Expedition 33?

What's interesting is that a better solution should be very easily possible, but the characters themselves aren't capable of it. Alicia/Maelle won't leave the canvas because she hates her life outside of it and believes Renoir will erase it. She also won't let painted Verso go because he's a cope for her guilt over real Verso's death.

But it is plausible because Renoir believes it. It's like a drug to Aline and so from his perspective she will never stop trying to get back in so long as she knows it exists.

The script is entirely co-written between her and the director. We don't know why wrote what anyway.

Why are pempe scrimmen at him? :/

people like the writing because the game is good and they like it

if the game wasn't good they'd hate it

I mean... yes? The writing is a big part of why the game is good.

Call it, the real world takes place in a piece of art too (maybe a book) or the writers didnt do nuffin and there is a bigger bad

Why is there a painting of the Monolith with 33 in the mansion if the events of that only happened inside the Painting? Aline obviously didn't take a quickie to go to the bathroom and paint that in the real world

I don't think the writers thought that there is a clear good/bad ending. That's something you have decided for yourself. The people of Lumiere look pretty happy in the Maelle ending outside of Mr. Piano.

it's called Clair Obscur because that means black & white, as in there's a clearly obvious right choice (verso) and wrong choice (maelle)

Invokes IT WAS A SIMULATION! In her first professional work

Not hard to believe at all actually

The problem is the writers got so busy trying to focus on the themes and an overarching message that the minutia of their own worldbuilding slipped through their fingers. With worlds within worlds and Gnostic hells and genocide and all that.
Or "in universe materialism" as some put it.

she will never stop trying to get back in so long as she knows it exists.

And literally finds it in like five minutes.
Renoir was right, it's a drug and hiding it doesn't work (painters have some real world reality warping powers considering renoir and clea fixed the mansion through painting).

For... Giving them another chance at life?

the more she drank the more she sharted

We - and be we I mean myself, because I'm not retarded - know that she is the lead writer and the only one who has that title.

Go and finish winds of winter, you fat fuck.

another chance in life

recreated humans how she saw fit and then proceeded to enslave her brother

uses her powers the moment something doesn't go exactly her way

Yeah, amazing god.

Nah, the game is good despite a bad finale

your true waifu could be living right now in any of these paintings that the Dessendres leave hanging above their gold plated shitter

Maelle latex catsuit I hope

I don't think the writers thought that there is a clear good/bad ending

The lead writer said this outright.

Clea's watching. She's always watching. She's everywhere.

I understand that you would have of course done better, but for everybody else that was a very impressive first showing.

None of that happens so I guess it's easy to make people psychos in your head when you are hallucinating random shit.

Yes, since literally 99.99999999999999% of the painted world is happy and only Verso is being a fucking emo

clair

obscure

UNTIL NEXT LIFE

it's called Clair Obscur because that means black & white

it is actually a clear parallel to white women and black cock, as is tradition in France

I mean... yes?

quit typing like a faggot

yea good way to approach the game. Not every game needs to be like this btw, there are perfectly fine games with a clear good guy and bad guy.

Could YOU have done better!?

Go-to line for retards, and yeah I probably could.

They cut some content from the trailer. Maybe new bosses?

DLC for when Verso was part of Expedition 60 and gets betrayed by Julie

It's still neat that Maelle's ultimate ability is called Stendhal.

That one is in visages.

youtu.be/0W-G2oGTQ-I?t=3238

This enemy is definitely in the game

Verso was part of Expedition 60

lanklet dyel verso can't compete with humanity's finest

that bitch is in Visage and there's a massive big version of her walking on the world as Chromatic

I like it when people agree with my mindreading of them.

Alicia literally had to take chroma and recreate the people in Lumiere.
And she can only recreate people based on her own memories, as mentioned by verso.
Why the average normalfag has a better grasp on the writing in the game and its themes is beyond me.

YEAH HAHA.

YEAH WE ARE.

THANKS PAUL FROM MARKETING.

I LOVE CORPROATION JIZZ IN MY FACE. DON'T YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WEIRDO!

Verso should have also needed to go through Lune after Maelle to erase the world, she should have fought back.
For one last stand of Expedition 33.

Hopefully more of clea and the on the writers,maybe the painting gets invaded?

people are really not catching on alicia is a writer, stendhal being the name of her super attack is the cherry on top

all the footage that's obviously post Act 1 showing Gustave, also one vs Duelist

Clearly they could easily have at least let you keep him in NG+ even as a purely mechanical addiction if wanted
Gustave DLC WHEN

And she can only recreate people based on her own memories, as mentioned by verso.

Not what is stated, also demonstrably false with Sciel/Lune having knowledge Maelle does not have after being brought back.

This game looks not only fucking amazing, but now the story is utterly amazing. I hate myself for being spoiled, but still, it's perfect. Till now I used a laptop with a GTX 1060 (6gb !). Now I will buy a rtx 5070 to with a 9800 x3d pc and play it on an oled 2k monitor. It really made me upgrade and buy a 2k PC. This game looks absolutely fucking amazing. Why did it take 10 years for a real game to come out? And why are they French?

Without Maelle. There is no one stopping Renoir from destroying the canvas. So even if she fought Verso it wouldn't matter.

BURNING CANVAS

STENDHAL

Maelle is evil.

Verso ending should give you Expedition Failed after defeating Maelle.
Playing as Maelle should give last stand of Expedition 33

Yes, it should have been a straight up chimpout and 1 hit win. Just for maximum tragedy.

Frogs understand Japan better than Japs.

it is a finished product dumbass, DLC is essentially another game simply built around existing system and engine
has Witcher 3 teach you nothing? Blood and Wine was literally bigger than the main game

what was ML reading at the Manor?

maybe she wasn't reading
she was writing

yaoi doujins

If they were anime characters, they'd be being openly shat on

It would be filled with shitty anime tropes and humor.

she was writing

oh shit KINO

Vague shit is not philosophical, it's just cowardly in story-telling

Am I wrong that painted Alicia is the only character to canonically write something? Everyone else uses picto log things but she writes a letter.
I bet she was doing writing and that caused the fire, so she actually directly killed Verso and that's why Aline blames her.

This game funny part is that people are really invested in the story and there are 2 big sides, yet both sides have truths to them, so people argue over what is correct. Really great writing ontop of the amazing turn based combat and visuals.
But for real, can't the painters just live forever in the worlds? Somebody that is 16 IRL and enters is now 16 again from 0. And on the outside she's still 16. She is a legit creator god (albeit a bad one, apparently she's the worst of the family). I wonder what the capabilities of the writers and painters are irl, to what extend they can use it in order to fight.

It's not vague.

Oh shut up, a lot of the best endings intentionally leave shit open for questioning.

Am I wrong that painted Alicia is the only character to canonically write something?

One of the NPC's in the prologue is a journalist for a newspaper.

is it good?

maybe

is it bad?

maybe

what is it?

decide for yourself

This doesn't make a story. Can make a good discussion, but not a story.

But for real, can't the painters just live forever in the worlds?

Not actually forever but yes they can extend the subjective time they spend alive by Painting inside Canvases. They can and they DO as Renoir confirms he and Aline painted hundreds of worlds by now.

Not actually forever because they NEED to take breaks from Canvas sometime otherwise they get painterAIDS.

vague

99% of it is perfectly established in the game

you may not like the plot but that doesn't gives you the right to be a retard

Apparently you need to take a break IRL or it slowly kills you, but with the extreme time dilation Renoir and Aline are likely thousands of years old (judging by Renoir saying they have painted hundreds of canvases).

I mean, there's a clear cut message in the game with one ending that follows through with it and another that ends on a jumpscare.
They don't want to shit on the people who chose Maelle's ending, but they made it really fucking clear.

The writing does not respect the player’s time investment. Why did you make me play 40 hours of expedition plot if that has no impact on anything? And computer sim/multiverse shit has never EVER improved a work.

I don't really want DLC, I like both endings and don't care about exploring the setting any further in either of their scenarios. I suppose if I had to make one up I am a sucker for golden ending DLC, as long as it's not canon.

Gustave uses his chad energy to solo painted Renoir

Gets to the paintress but, thinking back on Sophie's words, realises that she's not the real cause of the gommage

Verso sees Gustave's quality and decides to inform him about the painters

With Maelle and Verso's help, they restore Lumiere and kick all the painters out of the canvas

Gustave's presence and fatherly love leads "Real Maelle" to a better path, assuring her that her life outside the canvas is not hopeless

Sends painted Verso to hell like he wants, Aline no longer has a reason to return

With all she has experienced and learned in her brother's canvas, Maelle is inspired to go explore the outside world like she always wanted, safe with the knowledge that she saved Verso's creations and the people of Lumiere

Alicia's family welcomes her back, and seeing the beautiful peaceful world she has made in Verso's canvas, are proud of her work for the first time

Picto logs are only for the expeditions so they know the logs will survive, when paper can be destroyed. Normal paper is still used in Lumiere, you can see plenty of it both in the prologue and in act 3.

Then the writer is lying in that interview. I also thought it was clear the intention, but people here keep insisting in the duality. Come on, none of this is new, even a Gameboy Advance game tackled this fifteen years ago.

More beachs. Hopefully Clair Obscure Xtreme Beaxh Volleyball.

even has Clea and Aline in bikinis as playable

Can you imagine the shitposting if this happened?

there's a clear cut message in the game

"The future of Lumiere is more important than any individual life"

Writing in the journal and hoping Gustave's apprentices can see it some day

"For those who come after" (Gustave's apprentices)

The game is called Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, not Clair Obscur: Dessendre Family Grief Counseling

People have different thing they consider to be good or bad.
Some find mass murder bad.
Some are scared by black and white images.

I've put an alarm to post a lune_death_stare.png thread in 2026 to see if you're still arguing

Expedition 60 Tekken fighting DLC

They probably wanted to call it just Expedition 33 but realised that's not a good name for any potential sequels that don't involve Expedition 33

clear cut message in the end

Oh no it's one of the "the game has one moral cookie and it's moving on" retard zombies.
Quickly, kill it before it spreads retardation.

Most people praising the story never touched anything written before 2010.

It's still a balsy move to release your first game with THIS name.

foreign words

subtitle

numbers

implication that it's a part of a series and not a debut game

A FUCKING COLON

Maelle's ending would make more sense if she actually was being honest about eventually coming back out and not living in the canvas for the rest of her life. But then almost everyone would say that's clearly the right option so they had to push that she's becoming a crazy schizo.

The future

Everyone in Lumiere is already dead by the end of act 2

Anon. Maelle cannot rewind time, she can only remake what was already dead, and she doesn't remake them as they were as seen with Verso in her ending, she makes them as she remembers them, which is not at all who they were. Maelle's ending is a lie, a comfortable lie to hide away the tragedy that everyone in the painting is dead by the time it comes to make a choice, and you just chose to live with the lie.

Muh grief with desendre

Not at all the point of the tale. Act 3 is about YOUR grief, and how you cope with the loss of everyone in the setting, and the fact that Expedition 33, despite it's apparent success, was a miserable failure that inadvertently robbed Lumiere of the few years it had left.

They could’ve included the Dessendre drama without using computer sim. How do writers not understand this trope is radioactive, don’t fucking touch it.

they had to push

Maybe it shouldn't have been so crystal clear then.

There is no clear cut answer to a moral question because the answer depends on what you personally value. How you personally define life.

You are an idiot. Just like the guy you're responding to. You should get along.

It's radioactive

Not at all, brainlet.

she makes them as she remembers them

demonstrably false headcanon that your entire retard post is based on

don’t fucking touch it.

people love the game and it got rave reviews

primed for goty so far this year

Seems like it worked well.

Oh? Are you saying the Verso she painted was the Verso that wanted to die and the painting to stop?

Demonstrably false

Then go ahead, demonstrate. I know you cannot, for all your shallow bluster.

I want to agree with your interpretation but

she makes them as she remembers them, which is not at all who they were.

That's not what is shown in the game, Sciel and Lune are redrawn as they were based on their chroma.

IT IS RELATIVE!

THIS BLACK AND WHITE, HORROR SCENE WITH A MAN IN CLEAR SUFFERING IS SUPPOSED TO BE AMBIGUOUS

You're retarded lmao

The rest of the game is good

this trope is radioactive

Yet people only bother talking about Tactics Advance to the day because of it, well, besides Marche's atrocious design

You must have been pretty sad to find out that there aren't 32 other Expedition games.

Verso. Your cocksucking is slacking, stop posting on Anon Babble.

If people hated the final act and ending then it wouldn't happen.

Her coming back out of the canvas has the added risk that there is some extremely suave looking old guy who wants to destroy that thing.

Yes, literally. Because it depends on your PERSPECTIVE.
Maelle ending is horrifying for Verso and hopeful for Lumiere, Verso's ending is uplifting and hopeful for the Dessendres and hopeful for Lumiere. You just see one perspective each time.

Would you kill yourself if you started believing in God?

aww shit, I'm a created being by some powerful guy way beyond my comprehension it's all a meaningless simulation now

To me that sounds both stupid and exactly like what you're saying right now.

How the FUCK is Verso's ending hopeful for Lumiere when they were all genocided

No. Verso merely tells Maelle to repaint them as they were, not as she wants them to be. That still requires Maelle's interpretation, despite her powers she is not a all knowing god, she can only paint what she knows (which is why it's so weird that she can even conceive of agreeing to bring Sciel's husband back. Tells you about how truthful Maelle is being with the world around her). Multiple other characters and events touch on this, and the fact that repainting characters doesn't bring them back, it just creates a new version of them.

While somewhat different, Verso's whole story partly revolves around this concept, but it is also present throughout the other events of act 3.

they were all genocided

They got better.

Their impression is stained with how much they like the game. Just toxic positivity that can’t see it for what it is.

The first 30-40 hours are completely useless for the plot. That’s a fact and it’s a real bad thing.

Renoir has a soft spot for his daughter. She can convince him to keep it safe as long as she's not retarded about it.

Typo.
*hopeful for the Dessendres and horrifying for Lumiere

What's stopping Maelle from just painting them again in a new canvas?

Being this retarded and openly brazen about it

Damn son. How the fuck do you not grasp the relevance of the first hours?

The fact... that defeats the whole point of Verso's Ending?

Different chroma, different soul, different self.

No no you miss the point. It is pointless because the world is erased in both endings, despite the player setting out to save the world.

The player is completely useless and has near zero agency. All that work to stop one single girl from playing bibeo games, so banal.

I also think that that's possible in the future. We're now headcanon pals.

The Verso in the Maelle ending cutscene might be the same Verso, and it might be an entirely new Verso. There's a lot that's just purely up to interpretation with this scene. I think that with the rules of the world we've been told, it would have to be a new Verso, but I've also seen arguments for it being the same Verso, and the same Verso make more sense with what Maelle says in the fade to black.

Then go ahead, demonstrate

Lune and Sciel are shown to have knowledge that Maelle does not have after being brought back. This could not be possible if they were only made from her memory.
Maelle says "I see them" and grabs Lune and Sciel's chroma and uses it to bring them back. If she just makes them from memory, she could grab whatever chroma and make them again.
Sciel asks Maelle if she can bring other people back like them, and Maelle says she can.
We're told that Gustave's chrome is still around after he dies and Lune can feel it and tells Maelle how to as well. So presumably anyone not killed by nevrons within an unspecified timeframe can be brought back like this if you can find their chroma. Notably Lune's parents are not in the ending. They were killed by nevrons.
If they were just copies, I'm sure Renoir/Verso would have used that as an argument to get her to leave. After all, she could just make the people in a new canvas after taking a break and they would be the same. But they don't bring this up at all, which continues to add to the evidence that the continuation of the chroma in the same canvas is what makes them the same person.

Her going nuts was already implied when she told Sciel she could bring her husband back, despite never knowing them. How could she possibly repaint everyone, given what we're told about the process when she repaints Sciel and Lune?

It's an obvious lie anon, she is lying straight from the start of act 3 because she cannot cope with the loss of the canvas. The signs are there right from the beginning.

Except Verso openly bargains with Maelle/Alicia that "you can draw new friends in better worlds, just let this accursed canvas die".
Renoir says as much too, talking about their "gift".

this is good actually... from my point of view

Maellefags are simply deranged?

What did I miss? The expedition did nothing useful.

Stupid teenage girls or people who cannot cope with the fact that everyone is dead already.

the world is erased in both endings,

I think the world has another shot at life in Maelle's ending and the canvas getting destroyed in the future is not a sure thing, she has a powerful negotiation chip to convince Renoir into leaving the thing be the chip being her own life.

Ummm the heroinist will not use a different syringe later because… Umm SHE JUST WON’T OKAY!?

No. The point of Verso's ending is to let go of Verso, and move on from the past. Maelle repaints Lumiere and lets them the fuck be and nothing is wrong.

Considering all the Chroma was already changed to make Nevrons, that's the case in either ending. Lune and Sciel would be the exceptions regardless, and even that is dodgy at given that Maelle's skill as a paintress is shoddy at best. It'd be pretty silly to think she got it perfectly.

Yes, it is good for the people of Lumiere who get to live you retard.

they're already dead

Their chroma is in the painting, big whoop

The goal of the expeditions were to find out the truth behind the paintress and the gommage, and to stop them. Expedition 33 successfully completed both of those goals.

Their chroma is in the painting,

Watch again how recreating people from chroma actually works.

The OST when you fight Renoir in the monolith
KINO!!!!

nooo the painter's eyes and it's gray

It's so over. Why didn't you post a picture of Gustave and Sophie being happy together? Of Sciel smiling at her husband? At Esquie and Monoco having a rand old time being part of Lumiere?

You mean how they come back exactly the same way they were before?

Maybe that happens, but it is not explicitly stated

Yeah. There's an entire portion of the overworld blocked off

it is good because of something completely unrelated to the themes of the ending

That's like saying Romeo and Juliet has a happy ending because their parents won't have to deal with the conflict anymore.

At Esquie and Monoco having a rand old time being part of Lumiere?

Esquie and monoco, who all they wanted was to support verso in his endeavors

Yeah, sure it's showing how nice Alicia is.

why are you not focusing on what the ending doesn't focus on?

It works flawlessly because those people are made out of chroma. Chroma that wasn't frozen by Nevron's can be brought back. That's why painted Renoir killing Gustave made it possible for him to come back, but not the other expeditioners.

no it's only based on the painter's memories even though Alicia/Maelle is not omniscient and doesn't know everything about Sciel and Lune, yet they come back the same because she reused their chroma

No, the part that it's dependent on Alicia's memories and impressions on them.
you know, just what Aline did before so she completely warped her own fake family.

True.

something completely unrelated to the themes of the ending

Who cares? The Dessendres are not the only characters in the story.
If you care for the psycho family, one ending is better for them, but if you value the painting people more, the other is preferable.
Read nigga

They found out they were in an unwinnable spot. That does not make a satisfying fantasy adventure.

actively showing she's mindraping verso because he's not doing what she wants

Yeah, Alicia is super happy in her ending I swear.

it truly was a Clair Obscure Expedition 33

I did not care for Alicia.

I'll close my eyes and ignore most part of the game to construct the reality I want

I hope you don't do this in your life. You need help.

Shame, because in her ending everything depends on her whims.

The Verso in the Maelle ending cutscene might be the same Verso, and it might be an entirely new Verso.

Seems outright impossible, since he'd just be searching for his own end instead of going along with the farce. Either way it's a cosmic horror ending for Verso.

Lune and Sciel are shown to have knowledge that Maelle does not have after being brought back.

Genuinely irrelevant given the setting. The Dessendre family that Aline painted also have all sorts of thoughts and memories that they're not "supposed" but they're also not the same people, as Maelle herself makes quite clear in the start of act 3, they are Aline's versions of the characters.

Maelle says "I see them" and grabs Lune and Sciel's chroma and uses it to bring them back. If she just makes them from memory, she could grab whatever chroma and make them again.

Which is exactly what she ends up doing with all of Lumiere in her ending. All those people were already remade into Nevrons after all.

Sciel asks Maelle if she can bring other people back like them, and Maelle says she can.

Which is a huge red flag and a sign that she is lying about the world and doing the same thing her mother was doing. This is foreshadowing anon, she cannot possibly bring Sciel's husband back as she did not know him, and his Chroma is long since decayed like the dead expeditioners or reused to make Nevrons.

We're told that Gustave's chrome is still around after he dies and Lune can feel it and tells Maelle how to as well

And surprisingly, she cannot bring him back.

I'm sure they could have used them being copies as an argument

Because their other better arguments worked so well? Maelle isn't open to reason, her ending and her stance in the pre-ending scene make that clear.

She was so quick to kill her painted version because "it was her choice" but when Verso wants to make HIS choice she not only defies him, but remakes him after he is erased. Frankly Maelle's ending is rather disturbing in so many ways

Found Guillaume's youtube channel

the developers of the game: "there's no clear-cut villain or hero, or good and bad, it's people with strong convictions about who they value facing what needs to be done, it's a matter of perspective for everyone"

some random retard: NOOO LOOK AT THE BLACK AND WHITE SCARY SLENDERMAN IMAGE WOOOO

There's no good and bad ending. Both have their reasons to happen.

All those people were already remade into Nevrons after all

Wild headcanon.

So was this game actually good for real? I can't tell when people are memeing or not anymore

Sure, but the themes of the game are EXTREMELY evident.

Nigger, one is IN THE GAME, the other is a random interview. You've been doing some pirouettes to justify believing Maelle's ending is good. You really can't see that?

No, that's literally how it's worked from the start. You literally SEE Renoit turn the Chroma into Nevrons at the start of act 3, when Maelle flees and takes Lune and Sciel's chroma.

Headcanon sperg is in fact the sperg spouting headcanon

Every fucking time.

New quest that opens up a third ending where Maelle undoes the Fracture and returns control of the Canvas to Verso's soul, at the cost of permanently locking the Canvas from ever being accessed by a Painter again.

What's even there to explore with Zero? We pretty much already have their story.

It is, for real.
Anon Babble can't understand people liking a game and making a bunch of threads about it.

Good game, lame ending

They're very heavy handed with it, but I suppose they really wanted you to say in the end that it has been a real Clair Obscur.

Absolutely beautiful ending you mean.

What pirouettes? The writers agree with me, and I never said Maelle is the "good" ending. Both endings are valid depending on your perspective, there's not a clear good and bad one and it's frying your brain.

Can you explain to me what sort of answer people like you expect when they ask this retarded question? Because it happens a lot and it's not like the people who respond to you telling you that the game is great are more credible than the people who say it otherwise.

Erasing tons of innocent people is not very beautiful. If you like misery porn, maybe.

Why do you care more for Maelle than, say, the orphans of Lumiere who got their parents murdered in front of them? Killing thousands to stop an addict is beautiful? It’s an ugly tragedy.

do it for her

Kill P**nters and dismember their corpses? Of course.

The game has 2 endings.

While I appreciated both endings of the game in their own ways, they both left me hollow feeling. They achieved what they set out to do and kept to their vision. I just hope for a DLC that they give us a third ending. One where they are able to keep the painting around and intact, but also live their own real lives simultaneously.

At the same time, I'm curious if that would be too reliant on keeping Verso in there as the main painter, and that wouldn't be fair to him. Is it truly a part of Verso's soul, or was it also just an artififial life created by a painter?

Genocide still takes place after Maelle dies. The paintards are mass genociders, why focus on such a disgusting family?

I could definitely go for some nice Gustave golden ending cheese.

soul stuff

I think there is a piece of a painters soul in every single canvas. The whole "putting heart and soul" into your work thing.

How the fuck are Painters supposedly in a war against Writers when a writer, logically, should be able to dictate the course of any battle simply by writing about it? Such a war would be over before it even began.

Anon, the fact that they didn't decide on a clear good or bad ending doesn't mean there isn't one. They made it to be relatively valid either way, but one ending goes strictly against the entire point and theme of the story for a hopeful lie, while the other is a dour and mournful end to a whole world where effectively, you helped god destroy the world.

Imo Verso being a musician is more than just window dressing. A musician's performance ends when the music stops, while a painters work remains. Verso was not a painter, and the boy who paints does not want to keep painting, he wants it to be music, to stop when the piece is finished. It is, in the end Verso's painting, and to be true to that, the performance must end.

but one ending goes strictly against the entire point and theme of the story

You mean the theme of fighting despite living in a doomed world even if it kills you for the sake of your people?

Seems outright impossible

Yeah that's why it would make sense to be a new Verso (on top of him being changed physically).

The Dessendre family that Aline painted also have all sorts of thoughts and memories that they're not "supposed" but they're also not the same people

You're not understanding what I'm saying. They have REAL knowledge that Maelle doesn't have. It's not some Maelle headcanon, it's demonstrably factual knowledge that Maelle does not know. This basically proves they are the same people by itself.

those people were already remade into Nevrons

He has all the chroma in the entire canvas, no way to know which chroma is actually used for the nevrons.

she cannot possibly bring Sciel's husband back

The dead expeditioners chroma isn't usable because it's old and impure, not just old. We don't actually know how much age itself plays a role vs whatever nevrons do to chroma. With Pierre also Sciel specifically says she would not want to create a copy of Pierre that wasn't the original.

And surprisingly, she cannot bring him back.

She does in the ending though?
Unless you mean at the same time as Lune and Sciel, which again is explained, same reason she can't bring everyone else back. Renoir controls all the chroma in the canvas at the time, she can't paint with it even if she can find Gustave's.

Because their other better arguments worked so well?

I'm pretty sure the things she wants to be in the canvas not actually being contingent on being in this specific canvas with this specific chroma would be a big deal. You're just handwaving this.

when Verso wants to make HIS choice she not only defies him, but remakes him after he is erased

If made a new copy she let him make his choice though? And yeah sure if he's the same one that's selfish and kinda messed up even if the intention is for him to find happiness in a normal life. But Verso is a lying traitor bitch so...

the problem is that they had an entire fleet during expedition 0, ships, subs, cars, planes
would be hard to do this in similar style as base game

The whole game is just the first third

A third that was just as much about moving on, coping with grief, the main character almost killing themself and saying fuck the mission because his feelings about Maelle were more important than all the rest of Lumiere

??? You my friend are especially dense.

it is good because the artificial life keeps on living

the central theme of the story, the tragedy and overcoming grief, don't really matter for me

I win the philosophical debate by declaring it meaningless

The reason why Maelle's ending isn't a bad ending is because it leaves the door open for her to possibly get over her grief on her own, and with the time dilation going on she wouldn't lose any real world time over it. Same goes for Aline even, because she was content to stay in Verso's whimsical world, it was her family that created the Axons and Nevrons to force her out of it. The ending is dependent on whether you think grief should be handled with tough love or letting the person do as they want. There is no right answer between the two extremes because different people respond differently to either and both can be self-destructive if done poorly.

all are problems are because of these painted people

You overcome grief by adding another reason to grieve

Great plan, short man

I will force a philosophical debate the game doesn't really care about and define the game on it

I wanted Monoco's ultimate move to just be him turning gold or getting bigger or something, but it's just turning into sakapotato

Just because Gustave is no longer around to say "for those who come after" every time he attacks doesn't mean it stops being a theme.

Yes.
Do you know where we are?

Lol did you come from reddit or something?

our*

Is there an Esquie fight I missed? The game alludes to him being the ultimate being in the painting I thought there'd be a fight

He plays by Tom Bombadil rules

Well adjusted people don’t enjoy misery porn

Have you played Cave Story? Misery is pretty hot.

You guys don't get it, Clair Obscure (the artistic concept) is all about the contrast between light and dark. And the feelings that these opposites create. Verso's ending bright and colorful, but full of sadness and grief. Maelle 's ending is cheerful and upbeat, but in literal black and white with a hint of something darker

It's not that one is a good end or bad end. They are supposed to be opposites that contain both sides of light and dark

What about lune feet porn

It's the best game I've played in years. I shilled it to my friends irl and they are enjoying it too.

They have REAL knowledge that Maelle doesn't have

Yes, so do the fake Dessendre's that Aline created anon, you're the one missing the point. The painters can recreate people with their memories and personalities in tact, but as Verso points out about his own self during his conversations with Esquie, they are not the same people.

He has all the chroma in the entire canvas, no way to know which chroma is actually used for the nevrons.

You see it happen in a cutscene anon. Maelle only saves the part that was Sciel and Lune, and has to go on a journey to the old expeditioners to reclaim the old chroma instead of just going back there for more.

With Pierre also Sciel specifically says she would not want to create a copy of Pierre that wasn't the original.

But that WOULD be the result. Inevitably. And they'd at best be lying to themselves about it.

She does in the ending though?

Right. And think about what that means. Think about what it means for Maelle not to bring Gustave back first chance she gets but she's then somehow capable of bringing him back in the ending anon. You're so close to properly figuring it out, almost there.

Renoir controls the Chroma

And he's using it to make Nevrons, yes. Only the inert chroma of those slain by Nevrons is safe, but Maelle could wrest control of Sciel and Lune's chroma so why not Gustave? Because it's not quite there anymore.

If made a new copy she let him make his choice though?

But that then proves she is making copies of her own choice and not just bringing the people back, doesn't it? That breaks the limits that were imposed on her when she brought back Sciel and Lune, and sets the precedent that she is indeed just making copies of people where is suits her (such as Pierre, and Gustave)

Either case her ending is fucked. Either she ruins Verso in a truly horrific manner or she is copying people and its all a lie. And it's the latter.

Anon, Aline went nuts in the painting, you know this the moment you encounter her. Renoir warns about it too, and Verso knows it. It's not an open door. It's a bloodless guillotine.

My friends looked at me like I was a subhuman when I told them it's turn based. One of them is exclusively looking forward to GTA6 and nothing else.

Maelle turning into her mother is good

We only see Aline after Renoir and Clea have fucked with her for 67 years. I'd be pissy too.

Geez, are all of you guys emotionally stunted? Hundreds of thousands of people got genocided and you’re talking about if some girl should skip her escapism fantasy or not? And yes those people were real and sentient.

???

I mean yeah in Verso's ending god destroys a world (though he already sort of did in act 2) and everything leading up to it was, while not exactly pointless, hopeless. The final achievement of expedition 33 was to end the world at least 15 years faster than it would have otherwise been ended. It's a pretty grim ending in a lot of ways, but the alternative is unfortunately no better.

Clea set some things up and left to enact TWD. If she'd stuck around to fuck with Aline the story would have been over before Expedition 0.

Confusing fantasy and reality is unhealthy, anon.

They were not fantasy.

They all mention losing yourself in the painting anon. Each of them needed help to get out. Renoir needed help from Aline the first time. Aline too was stuck and had to be forced out despite having almost a century of time to work through her grief (and couldn't do it) and Maelle isn't going to be any different. She even admits it to Verso instead of trying to convince him.

Expedition 33 saved the family.

They are dead anon, making new copies of them won't change that fact. You'd just be creating a new Lumiere, not bringing back the old one. That's the point my emotionally stunted friend, it's a story about grief, and act 3 is about how you deal with your grief over the loss of Lumiere. Do you resort to escapism and embrace a copy, or do you accept it, mourn and move on.

Hundreds of thousands of people got genocided and you’re talking about if some girl should skip her escapism fantasy or not? And yes those people were real and sentient.

You're choosing to care about that on your own. The game doesn't care about it. Only one character mentions this in passing.

Saved a morally despicable family of genociders

Ok…

What sort of mental damage do you have that causes you to expect them to spoil such a big twist in the game trailer? I know you're a marvelshitter, but that's not an excuse.

I suppose that is away to look at it, but that wasn't their goal, and that same family are the ones responsible for their perpetual annihilation, so I wouldn't really call that a good thing.

They’re real to me

The game cared. That's all the game cared about, really. You people have a hard time accepting this but also say Act 2 and 3 are the best. It stops being about the expedition early in Act 2.

They are dead because the writers wrote a shitty ending. The player is made to sympathize way more with the people of Lumiere than the Dessendre family.

The end effect is just misery porn

Gustave DLC

divergence point is Verso choosing to save him from Renoir

Gustave convinces Maelle to leave and come back to visit when she's well

Renoir agrees not to destroy the canvas

both help Aline get over her own grief

moral is that grief is best solved when everyone involved actually fucking talks to each other instead of hiding things and assuming they know what's best for the other

I wouldn't say so, but to me the ending of act 2 is fairly definitive. Everyone gets murdered in cold blood by Renoir. I think Verso's ending is by far the better one but Renoir can eat a dozen dicks for the lengths he went to in order to selfishly save his wife. He is... relatable in a sense, but that doesn't justify his actions even a little bit. Hell, it's all but proven that if the fucker had just worked with the people in Lumiere he could have forced Aline out the painting much sooner and perhaps even permanently, but he just started destroying shit.

Anon. The main theme is about inevitability, grief, and how you deal with the misery of surviving disaster. Losing Lumiere is about the player losing their goal and the objective they pursued failing. It's not shitty at all, it's brilliant.

Yes, so do the fake Dessendre's that Aline created anon

No they don't. They are made in Aline's image of them. Please give evidence that they had knowledge or memories that Aline did not have.

You see it happen in a cutscene

Nothing in that cutscene says "these nevrons are made of the chroma of specifically gommaged people"

But that WOULD be the result

Or it isn't, like I explained.

And he's using it to make Nevrons

Again nothing says that he used the chroma of the lumierians specifically

Maelle could wrest control of Sciel and Lune's chroma so why not Gustave

Probably because it's over at the cliff zone? Or she just happened to see their chroma and not his?

But that then proves she is making copies of her own choice and not just bringing the people back

Specific to Verso. No one else looks like they were physically changed. No one else was asking to be unpainted. And again I'm not 100% sure it is a new Verso I just think there's more signs it is than isn't.

I self-insert as Verso so those people are not my problem.

A 40 hour buildup to say ”lol didn’t matter” is not masterful.

It’s supposed to make you feel bad

Games are supposed to be satisfying, this was not.

I understand your point of view, but the fact is that the game doesn't really acknowledge this philosophical debate we're having and basing our views on. Neither Lune nor Sciel discuss their feelings about being an artificial life or how the acts of the painters are monstrous. Lune is interested in the 'outside' world but that's it. Only Boy Verso talks about the relevancy of their artificial life. Painted Alicia plainly tells us she thinks they're not real. In short, we're choosing to have this discussion ourselves, but which is almost completely removed from the themes tackled by the game.

Anon. The journey matters. Don't be a child.

Renoir says Aline refused to talk. He's probably seeing his wife on Alicia at that point. The guy is tired. But I agree, Gustave would have probably found a golden ending.

I don’t agree. Only results matter, the memory of a journey can be a result though

I think the game is pretty clear on the fact that the feelings of characters like Gustave matter, and they matter a lot. How each character individually feels about it is a point of interest, but not a point of definition.

Gustave DLC

The point of divergence is he shoots himself in the meadow

Expedition 33 fails to kill the paintress and expedition 32 is launched a year later

The ending is completely based on the fact that we agree Alicia has the right to remain on the canvas until she dies outside or if we thinks that's not right and she should face her grief outside. The feelings of the characters barely come into consideration.