Why is this considered bad compared to Doom 2016?

this. I think both are utter garbage, eternal even more so since it's a complete departure gameplay wise from what's considered a 'classic' boomer shoot

Only by retards who can't keep up. Eternal fixed the one thing wrong with 2016 which was that it was too easy. It added a bunch of stupid lore too, but that's all tucked away in the codex

Why is this considered bad compared to Doom 2016?

Old good, new bad. Whenever there is an older product, the new one is automatically considered bad while the older one - regardless of how bad it is - is considered good.

No one thinks 2016 was a gem that Shiternal fucked up. The thing is that: 1) 2016 is better even if it is not a gem; 2) 2016 was more like the originals than Shiternal which secondaries and tourists acted like was a return to form because of aesthetic similarities; 3) Shiternal was a departure to the promising start 2016 had, but instead of improving on 2016's good aspects it doubled down on 2016's bad aspects and then decided it had to appeal to the assfaggots crowd on top of that.

It isn't. Anon Babble doesn't like it because they got filtered and this board is perpetually contrarian on everything.

Because it's new.
And you know what that means for the internet.

Eternal is by far the best and only bingbing wahoo zoomies hate it because it's too difficult for them t. 35 yo boomer

Having to swap weapons to increase DPS is stupid, and also this . Doom 2016 was already a good shooter, they should have simply increased the number of enemies like in the old Dooms or Serious Sam, and I would have enjoyed it even more. But no, they had to try to put "deeper" gameplay into the game. And don't start me on the OST. Fuck those Bethesda Jews.

Blame entropy. Not our fault if everything is decaying.

1) Worst boss fights of all time
2) Worst story in video game history
3) Awful neon colors
4) No kino death animations from 2016 for some fucking reason
5) Awful platforming

You have issues

This screenshot is the epitome of Anon Babble.

it's not

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Maybe you just have shit taste.

kys pradeep

Marvel Extended Universe for soillennial Amazon warehouse workers.

It's not Doom. The cartoony aesthetic, neon colors, bingbingwahoo gameplay, capeshit "lore". It's honestly putrescent garbage

I think Doom 2016 is a pretty poor FPS, actually. You don't get much depth there, it's a one-note game, which keeps mixing enemies in slightly different arenas as an attempt to force new approaches, but most of the time it doesn't work and people realize the game's limitation.
Doom Eternal at least tries to build something on that foundation. The thing about having ten thousand different cooldowns doesn't work with the idea of simplicity, but it's not as if this team knew how to make use of simplicity in the first place, just look at Doom 2016... so I think it's more favorable to make an action game that borrows concepts from games like MMORPGs, but at least has some depth, than trying to make something more like a classic FPS and failing.

because they made chainsaw and glory kills mandatory, and you have to spam all buttons non-stop like a retard

It's got good music and I enjoy the gameplay. But everything else about it fucking sucks. It isn't even DOOM. Its like an estroginized version of 40k told from the lens of a soccer mom in the 90s.

but dozens of indie boomer shooters get the formula right, why are big devs incapable?

Someone post the morrowind gif

Too lazy to make a soundpost.
This is just Amid Evil
youtube.com/watch?v=hG0nGtIoBSE

Being constantly locked into rooms to fight arena waves is boring and repetitive.

doom 2016 is a game where you run around shooting demons while cool music plays, the game is very free form, you can use any weapon and they all work fine, ammo is never an issue due to chainsaw mechanics and ammo caches. the plot while there is very soft and focuses on letting doomguy just do more slaughtering

in ETERNAL

enemies are designed around specific weapons, removing your freedom to use what you like with the same effectiveness as before

ammo is an issue due to low starting amount you can hold, chainaw is a single use cooldown and i cannot remember many ammo caches

plot is more focused with cutscenes and shit in a doom game idk why, not to mention the whole "maykr" and angel shit that was just lorefag deep dive stuff is now face first losing some of the classic sci fi edge to the series

and personally
eternal's aesthetics are more arcadey which while doom is in gameplay, its not in visuals. the rainbow ammo, the zombie redesigns ect ect

I don’t even mind the main campaign, but holy hell, the DLCs are just a clusterfuck. I kind of get the shitty Steam user review average now.

Turrets that you have to shoot…wait for the eye to pop back out…and then shoot again, killing the flow

Whiplashes were already annoying, and now they’re invisible

The exploding poisonous pods that immediately regenerate after exploding, and are fucking everywhere

It absolutely loves throwing multiple Cyberdemons at you at once

Buff Totems randomly appear

The annoying ghosts that possess an enemy, essentially doubling their HP and speed, then you have to tether the ghost when you finally kill the enemy, and wait for the bar to fill up, again killing the flow, or else the ghost while just jump into another enemy and start the whole process over again

I must circle the map to find keys and mash space bar so I can contooomplate you don't understand

>enemies are designed around specific weapons

wrong.

personal criticism aside, it's ok. i just prefer 2016 more

Turrets that you have to shoot…wait for the eye to pop back out…and then shoot again, killing the flow

You can and should pop them in one go, mr shitter sar, didn't read the rest

Oh my goodness, Mr. L33T Speedrunner Epic Gamer, tell me how. I literally hit them with the sniper, because that’s what the fucking game shows you to do, and the eye retreats into its little pillar thing, and then it pops out again. Every review I’ve listened to that mentioned the turret said the same thing too.

2016 was ok, Doom eternal is too fast paced for zoomies.

you have enough time to switch back to ballista and hit them again

alternatively, here's a secret tech: Destroyer Blade (the big scythe-like Ballista alt-fire one-shots them at 2/3 of charge IIRC, you can kill groups in one shot

3 is still better. Try it. They need to go back to some light horror

No ammo, enemy weakness to certain weapons, too fast and also enemies with shields, it's dogshit

you're a zoomer too

nope I'm mid 30 now

I'm already tired of parryslopping after playing for 5 hours. I can't believe we downgraded here from the perfection that was Eternal.

Zoomer reloadswap
Forced platforming
OST not as good

console fps

too fast

Since when Anon Babble became plebbit central

How are you people this bad at video games designed for children? Like how do you manage to drive a car or use a computer?

I play with toys better than you do!

That has always been the most bizarre and autistic attempt at a flex that I’ve ever seen. It’s possible that I just don’t give as much of a shit as you do.

you don't give so much of shit you post a long-ass list of game's perceived flaws 5 years after it's release on Anon Babble/v/

I’m expressing an opinion based upon a recent experience playing the game in a public forum dedicated to game discussion to keep myself entertained during lulls at work, and you’re sperging out like I just called your mother a whore.

your mother is a whore

Because it takes 10 in-game hours for it to become fun.

Well, don't act surprised when your opinion is shat on.

Cool.

fuck me who froze the catalog

Alright, you can be king of the bitter nerd hill. I’ve got to go back to work.

It's good. I fucking suck at it though, playing a stage legit feels like a fucking workout.

Any valid criticism is just met with "muahahaha skill issue!" when the entire point is were saying the skilled preferential way of playing it is not fun and has you repeating tedious unfun things. If you are on cocaine and love weapon switching and moving really fast thats great, good for you, engage in these meaningless debates until you die. I think 16' plays better without the dash, you love the dash and see anyone not liking it as lacking skill, we are not the same.
The story is also retarded nonsense where demons and angels are aliens and ends in avengers endgame ripoff IE capeshit like some others have said.

DLC1 is the best part of Doom Eternal.

Time to face the music and realize some games aren't for you. This is absolutely the case with DLC1, it's just not for everyone. But it absolutely is Peak Eternal.

cool, I'm posting from work too btw

The story is also retarded nonsense where demons and angels are aliens

that's not true btw

the zombie redesigns ect ect

they redesigned them to look closer to their original designs

honestly with my lifestlye so long as these things have
A. a kitchen
B. bed space
C. gaming space
D. a shitter and shower
i could live in one of these

it's the "it's not hard... just tedious" schizo again

you spend 12hrs+ on this website, you fucking pathetic freak

Yes it is, why are you lying? Youre trying to get me to ask what you mean and assert your knowledge of the lore but you have no leg to stand on. The makers are cosmic space fairing aliens, this is an objective fact about the lore. The demons are not demons, they are aliens and 'hell' is a location/dimension in far off space you can physically fly a space ship to, the alien maker levels are literally science fiction themed, you have to twist whatever your view is to disagree they are aliens.

This. The plot in 2016 knew to stay out of the way. The plot in Eternal is right in your face for the majority of the game.

I literally just woke up and started browsing to kick off my day its you whos the schizo seeing non existent patters you fucking moron. And youre playing a bullshit game because whatever I say will now be used as your headcanon evidence that im most deifinitely totally the guy you were just talking to. I like comic books, sailor moon is my favorite manga, I like kpop and mamamoo is my preferred group, I dont know what else you want other than giving you my fucking driver license. Perhaps youve heard my view because its shared by many people, fucking schizo.

I know I'm going to type all of this only for you to reply with "lmao gay lore nerd", but here it goes"

Maykrs pretend to be angels, they're not angels. They're an artificial lifeform created by Davoth who rebelled against him. So fallen angels, aka devils I guess? They're the closest thing to actual biblical demons, in that sense.

Demons, the creatures you fight in the game, are not aliens. They're humans who got captured by Hell, and their souls were extracted. The soulless husks wander the Blood Swamp and turn into demons you fight. This isn't even hidden in some Codex entry, Samur outright states it during the Nekravol part 2 cutscenes.

Yes I fucking agree with you, they are not angels theyre aliens. Nothing you just said disagrees with my assertion in any way. They are metaphorically "fallen angels" but as I just said their levels are in space, science fiction themed levels, they travel in space ships and go planet to planet, they are fucking aliens you dipshit. Sure you got me about the demons being transfigured humans, that doesnt change what I just said, the makers are aliens, they traverse space and planets as aliens do, they are themed after squid aliens because theyre aliens, you literally just admitted the resemblance to angels is entirely metaphorical.... because theyre aliens. 'Alternate dimension' just means really far off on the other side of space.

Yeah, they're aliens, but they aren't angels. They uplift lesser races, who worship them religiously, and use them for their dark purposes.

Literally because its too hard for most retards

thank you for agreeing with my original post where I said the makers are aliens. I accept your concession that the plot is stupid and rehashing ancient aliens theories into doom.

Its more doom than doom 3 was

Yeah, but Hell was always a "dimension" in Doom. A malevolent, corrupting dimension.

This, it got really gay.

just woke up

immediately hops on Anon Babble

these are the pathetic losers that shit on eternal, everyone

First playthrough could be a pain in the ass but it's a lot of fun when you've got your full mobility options. Still don't like Marauders though, even though I've learned to cheese them. That whole waiting for an opening game does my head in when I'm trying to keep a rhythm going.

The tone shift from 2016 was just ridiculous.

In 2016 it felt dark and gritty, Eternal just felt cartoonish, it was impossible to take seriously.

It didn't, for even a second, FEEL like hell had invaded and curb stomped Earth and you were trying to stop it, it felt like you were just swinging around in a fleshy colored jungle gym half the time. Also, fuck micro managing ammo, stupidest fucking thing literally ever.

Use the ballista? Lmao retard? How did you not learn by now that anything blue needs to be shot with energy weapons?

You're just mashing abilities and switching weapons the entire game to keep your health armor and ammo full. Very little depth

FPS fans crying about depth

as if it's not the most shallow genre you could possibly play

Because it turns DOOM into overwatch slop with all the abilities and resource management. Turns the game into a chore over time. I can load up 2016 and enjoy myself all the way through and play at whatever pace I want.

Any game with MMO mechanics (like cooldowns) is automatically shit. Simon Says gameplay is garbage. Screaming filtered won't change that.

Only by retards who can't figure out how to skip cutscenes
Eternal "story" is 10 times better than doom 2016 because you can just skip it, instead of forcing you to sit in the room for 10 minutes and listen to an exposition dump no one gives a fuck about

filtered

it's good if you ignore it

this is eternal brain rot at its finest

I have three times more playtime in eternal than 16, and i still think 16 is the better game.

no idea, I have around 760 hours on it.
I played doom right after beating eternal on UT and found doom way more difficult since there's no double dash etc. so if there main complain is eternal is difficult itsnot true

pretty retarded take considering 2016 is designed around not having a dash while eternal is. you trying to tell me 2016 is harder than TAG1?

That's pandering as fuck. It's like jingling keys in front of boomers

Not him, but people who read literallyrics any critique of mechanics in a game and then try to turn it into "Nope! You just think it's too hard! Skill issue!" are the dumbest fucking posters on this board. Subhuman monkey tier lack of intelligence.

2016 defenders are mentally ill. That game is mindnumbingly boring and even the originals are better.

youtu.be/AyVGmUuWxnw?t=311
Because it does shit like this constantly and it detracts from the gameplay. The platforming stuff is retarded too.

the story was gay and lame. most things are gay and lame these days, whats up with that?

because that’s what the fucking game shows you to do

Where is the player expression and creativiy, anon? Haven't you tried other methods?

It's shit in all doom games though, even if older ones don't have much

You had to use more than the SSG and the rocket launcher.

Too gamey and goofy and the emphasis on dashes makes movement feel so jerky, while in 2016 you had nice smooth movement. It feels too much like an RPG with all the cooldown abilities, resource management, multi-tasking, and weaknesses and the expectation that you're going to get hit a lot. I don't think it's bad just inferior.

2016

you are an angry dude putting on an armor and kicking ass

eternal

OMG YOU ARE THE MOST HOLY CHOSEN ONE ELECTED TO FIGHT WITH DEMONS

fuck this

also dumb as fuck platforming jesus christ whats this mario

I love and hate this game. The gameplay is so unique and so fun I've beaten it on Nightmare once per year since its release. On the other hand a good chunk of each playthrough is spent actively trying to ignore its cringe story and aesthetic. 2016 managed to get me so on board with the story that I never even wanted to skip cutscenes for it. Meanwhile Eternal had me cringing so hard I felt like skipping cutscenes on my first playthrough. And even past the cutscenes the aesthetic is just raw unfiltered cringe (even with the gritty/cinematic render mode on)

2016 - 1 hour of exposition/cutscenes
Eternals - 1 hour 50 minutes of exposition/cutscenes
Dark Ages - 3 hours of exposition/cutscenes
I don't like the direction this is trending

doom 4

samuel hayden is an ambiguous character that did bad things in service of mankind

he turns evil at the end

doom eternal

he's an angel

yeah angels are a thing

alien angels

you wake up in the alien angel fortress in space that was never even hinted at during 4

It doesn't feel like a sequel.
Also the simon says gameplay was shit, 4 had way better gameplay.

I love Doom 2016 and Eternal. These are some of my favorite games of recent years. Anon Babble just has shit taste. Just ask what FPS games are good and they just gonna mention garbage.

I don't like the loot explosions
I don't like the low amount of ammo that makes you qte every 10 seconds to refill your ammo with a loot explosion
I don't like the weapon swapping animation canceling

GAME HARD
ME NO CAN BEATY
HARD BAD

I bet you two will look really cute togheter :3

this is what eternals trannies believe

Ma'am. You're upset.

I hate how the doom slayer is treated like le epic unstoppable God that rips and tears demons. It takes all the fear out of the demons, and everyone is eating it up. The original Doom guys treated like you're badass but there's some pretty evil shit and the odds are against you.

The message iD took away from the retards bitching about Eternal was it was too hard so they added a shit ton of accessibility features and simplifications to the gameplay for Dark Ages.
You shitters literally begged for this.

It isn't.

It's one of those "show don't tell" things. Eternal's all Tell and barely any "show."

sorry it's a skill issue if you don't like watching a 3 second animation of chainsawing a zombie pinata 500 times.

Liking nuDoom is peakshit taste when I comes to shooters. No better than kids who play Overwatch, Valorant, Apex, Fortnite and pubg.

Care to state which shooters are the good ones then?

My current replay of Eternal has mostly been Meatbook into SSG lmao.

I remember initially being excited about the dash but it ended up being one of the worst things about Eternal. the general fast movement you had in 2016 to evade attacks and projectiles felt so much better and more fluid. Eternal feels jerky as hell.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anyone who thinks Doom Eternal is more than a 6 or 7/10 has literal fucking brain damage and would say the same thing if you put cocomelon on the TV and an unplugged controller in their hand

Unironically

For me, its because they leaned into the !40k lore angle. 2016 had the lore in the background where it should have been, so you could read and be mystified by it while the actual game feels more like doom, guy against demons and demonic structures and demonic places and demonic plots. All that was in game and other essentially was just doom for the modern day. I didn't even mind the video-gamey aspects of eternal, because I thought they were fun.

Yeah. As usual, faggots on Anon Babble have a lot to say about games they never play. You only had to switch weapons to play super optimally but the average Anon Babbleermin made it seem like you had to play rock paper scissors with every enemy.

It's kinda like you being male and turning yourself into a ma'am.

i dont know, ive beaten eternal several times on ut.
doom only once on nightmare. that's because I try to play like eternal, fast swap, dashes etc.

also minimal upgrades skills etc. since i avent bothered to check it out

You don't hear bangers like this anymore
youtube.com/watch?v=ETV9fPmieOM&list=PLD741146AA133C8E3&index=17

Still undecided if I want to get it. Didn't really like 2016 and got bored before finishing it and ended up dropping it but I really liked Eternal but Dark Ages looks way closer to 2016 than it does Eternal in terms of pace

Alright hotshot, if nuDoom’s “peakshit taste,” go ahead and list some shooters you think aren't for baby-brained zoomers. Let me guess—you're about to drop some obscure Boomer FPS no one outside of a GZDoom forum mod team cares about.

I'm starting to notice the average Anon Babbleermin are now a bunch of sissy faggots.
Crying over the plot of Doom, that's why they don't like it. Too gamey! They say...
Can you believe this shit? Niggers seriously need to lay off the estrogen for real. The faggotry has gone too far and it was clear as day when the last GTA6 trailer was released. The board has been overtaken by sissy faggots.

Doom (real Doom)
Quake
Duke 3D
Stalker
Dusk
Amid Evil

It felt too much like an RPG with all the resource management and cooldowns, but people will give you a shit for this legitimate criticism.

Doom but no Doom 2

Only Quake 1

Fucking Duke 3d

Euro Jank

Indie Slop

It's a puzzle platformer instead of an action game

Criticism doesn't mean "this isn't my preference". If you can't actually describe HOW it detracts from the experience then it's not even criticism in the first place. Never mind worrying about it being legitimate criticism.

stalker

dusk

better than doom eternal

It wants you to use all the mechanics but not in an intuitive way, it wants you to literally use all of them all of the time. You can have a favorite gun in Eternal because the game is built around spastic weapon switching, every fight is all the same big cycle. Rather than feeling like you have more tools and options it feels like you have less than ever.

You're wrong

*can't have

it's very annoying to play

In what way? Keep in mind, I like Doom Eternal, I just think its a worse game than 2016 (or any Doom game)

Also, I do have one more complaint.

Why the fuck is it called Doom Eternal instead of Eternal Doom? Stupid fucking name.

The DOOM formula simply doesn't hold up in 2025. Nearly everything that isn't explicitly a competitive esport-type game has moved into some form of RPG.

The bing bing wahoo sections are as cheap as if they had added twin stick sections and sidescroller bullet hells in the game and pretended it was sovl

niggas don't know what "bad" actually is

I found playing the campaign for the first time to be more frustrating than fun due to erratic difficulty curve. With that said, once you've got all your tools and upgrades, it becomes a lot better. I do still think Marauders, Arch-viles and those hovering tank assholes are a nuisance and the last too bosses aren't fun. The game's great, it just has a few warts that bother me.

Eternal Doom

FUCK, good shout.

It's better than 2016. It's at least mediocre, while 2016 is complete dogshit that's worse than 3.

For me it's the ammo shortage, i still do not think there's a single hint of "bad game design" if you can wreck an entire game using a single weapon, that shit's like saying Megaman is badly designed because you can beat the entire game with the regular megabuster.
That alone ruins the game from being this BEEG masterpiece into just an above average first person shooter that feels like you have a lot of shit in your arsenal, but you immediately plateau their power and skill ceiling as soon as you get the weapons, and the low ammo forcing you to waste your time doing fatalities to make the monsters turn into piñatas, on top of having boring boss fights aside from the Marauder, who immediately becomes a regular monster anyways, is just blegh.

Could be better, but it feels like a stepdown from Doom 4 which had a little bit more freedom, though it's funny that going back to 4 after Eternal buttfucked the game's difficulty, quickly switching weapons for combos in Eternal was the nicest thing you can do in that game, but in 4? Shit is beyond busted how you can combo your arsenal from SSG to Railgun to twoshot the entire monster bestiary minus bosses.

Because the marauder filtered me and hurt my fee-fees.

>Euro Jank

>Indie Slop

I almost replied seriously till I read these.

Setting aside the shit taste required to like zoomer shit like DE over Dusk, Stalker is a masterpiece and I have to assume you're some flavor of South American child who doesn't actually play shooters.

actually my favorite guns are the SSG and balista and those are the only weapons I use

I felt the gun combat was better in 2016 and also had way better gameplay variety. 2016 got super repetitive.

I think David Szymanski would find the idea that you prefer Dusk over DE really funny. He gushed all over DE when that came out.

Stalker is so different from Eternal it feels weird comparing them. It's much more primitive, in spite of its fancy ballistics. Get a NATO gun, shoot heads. Easy as pie.

Why is this considered bad compared to Doom 2016?

it isn't

stalker is okay, the idea that it's some type of masterpiece is comical and indicative of the fact you probably haven't played very many games

He gushed all over DE when that came out.

He loved 2016 and was inspired by it. That doesn't make it or DE any less shit. Dusk has great level design, exploration, and no dogshit mechanics for zoomer retards like cooldowns in a fucking FPS.

Stalker is so different from Eternal it feels weird comparing them.

Sure, but I was just listing good shooters.

It's much more primitive

Compared to "spam cooldown moves to replenish resources and keep moving"? Not a chance. DE gameplay is braindead Simon Says. Stalker has positioning and cover that matter. I've had more fun in the first bandit camp at the car park than in the entirety of the nuDoom games.

Why is this considered bad compared to Doom 2016?

Pretty much everyone thinks Eternal is the better game except Anon Babble who has collectively made contrarianism a personality.

It's not fun.

Doom - shoot it until it dies

Doom 2016 - shoot it until it dies

Eternal - use this specific gimmick we designed the enemy around or go fuck yourself

Dusk has great level design, exploration

And boring combat.

DE gameplay is braindead Simon Says

It really isn't.

stalker is okay

No, it's a masterpiece.

you probably haven't played very many games

I've played more games than you ever will. Pretending DE is good is like pretending The Witcher 3 is an RPG masterpiece for hardcore RPG players, and not just flashy trash for casuals pretending they actually play games (like you).

And boring combat

Combat isn't boring just because there aren't a dozen shitty, shallow gimmicks tied to resource management.

It really isn't

It really, genuinely 100% is. The superbosses are literally red light green light.

They force you to use all their mechanics at the same time.
For example, it is almost if not impossible to do a no-hit run in some levels due to how absurdly stupid the pacing is.

No, it's a masterpiece.

probably only reason why i dropped it near the end is because story is kinda shit and boring compared to 2016 where i wondered about robot uncle sam guy and it was too repetitive, not so well designed levels, as well as mandatory ammo farming

The superbosses are literally red light green light.

Only Gladiator and TAG2 boss are like that. But I'll agree bosses aren't the game's strongest side. Par for the course for Doom.

Stalker>>>any average romcom>>>mysterious girlfriend x>>>actual dogshit>>>Zoom Eternal

The entire game is built around that design philosophy. Hugo outright, explicitly says he wants to force players into the "fun zone". The bosses are just the most blatant. Pretending the entirety of the game isn't made that way is pathetic fanboying to try to downplay the game's biggest and most glaring flaw. It's there and you can't pretend it's not.

i'd rather play fallout 3 than stalker and that's saying something

It literally isn't there and you would know it if you played the game and didn't just parrot your favorite youtuber's opinion.

Eternal is undoubtedly better gameplay-wise, but 2016 was better in terms of tone and story. 2016 felt like a more mature, grounded interpretation of the game while still being "gamey" and not pretentious. Eternal felt too over-the-top and childish in its presentation. Still a good game thoughbeit.

The combat is boring because the enemies are too slow and retarded. Why do they aim at your current location when you're jumping all over the place?

It's saying that you have shit taste.

muh youtubers

My fault for arguing with the dumb third world kids that like these shit games built to emulate shitty zoomer shooters like fortnite and pubs and apex. You guys don't understand the concept of having an opinion that doesn't come from a youtube essay. I played 2016 and DE. They're both shit, DE more so.

So, how often in DE did you find instances of absolutely HAVING to use a specific weapon against a specific enemy? Out of ~25 enemies DE has, how many REQUIRE using one weapon/mod? Not mentioning DLCs.