Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

Seriously? That's the entire plot of the game? I was expecting something a bit more interesting.

that's the plot of almost everything if you try hard enough

Sorry maybe they should've made the game about shooting homeless people and bombing brown children in the middle east with raytheon missiles, then conservatards would've loved it

Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

Not in my game, choom.
t. Corpo V who called Johnny a loser at every turn and sided with Arasaka purely for personal gain

zombies are... LE BAD

crime is... LE BAD

demons are... LE BAD

villain is... LE BAD

dying is... LE BAD

enemies are... LE BAD

police is... LE BAD

I think you literally missed the point.

I saw corps strip farmers of water... and eventually of land. Saw them transform Night City into a machine fueled by people's crushed spirits, broken dreams and emptied pockets. Corps've long controlled our lives, taken lots... and now they're after our souls! V, I've declared war not because capitalism's a thorn in my side or outta nostalgia for an America gone by. This war's a people's war against a system that's spiraled outta our control. It's a war against the fuckin' forces of entropy, understand? Do whatever it takes to stop 'em, defeat 'em, gut 'em. If I gotta kill, I'll kill. If I need your body, I'll fuckin' take it! Fuckin' hell ... You still don't see it. But you will one day.

it was part of the plot, not the entire plot. johnny used a nuclear bomb against it. that didn't help, so thew question is what could he have done?

so its not capitalism bad but corpo bad?

so its not capitalism bad but corpo bad?

To Johnny, maybe. But he's a deceased, drug-addled, hate-filled rock-star from 50 years ago. All he can do is try to destroy the sacred images of the corporatocracy (Araska Tower), which was proven 50 years ago to be utterly pointless.
I think the game itself is specifically not clear about what is "bad" or not. It just presents the Player with a series of events and people and opinions and expects you to decide for yourself (hence the variety in endings).

Well yeah, pretty much everyone agrees that cyberpunk had a terrible storyline, barely any roleplay elements and near zero player agency. People play it for the.... uh... I actually don't know why people play it.

i dunno man playing the game it seems corpos are largely to blame for how shit night city is especially the part about buying up farms
like even if you're not anti corpo and just pro freedom, growing your own food and owning your own land is like the essence of freedom

cumbrains play it to post modded screenshots

but enough about open world games

Johnny himself says that this isn't about war against capitalism just Arasaka specifically

corpos are largely to blame for how shit night city is

I'm not saying NC isn't dystopian in some ways. It certainly is. But the blame doesn't lay entirely at the feet of the Corps. The country itself was run so poorly that entire states were able to break away and form their own federations, allowing Free Cities like NC to form and fester. Even after the NUSA reformed NC was able to retain its Free City status by allowing Arasaka to put military assets on location, effectively stonewalling the NUSA from sending in the troops less they provoke an international war.
Then you have the citizens of NC, those who choose the life of gangoons and scavs and such. They're just as much part of the problem as the Corps.

growing your own food and owning your own land is like the essence of freedom

The Nomads exist for this reason. You can take to the open roads and live a life of freedom but you are no longer guaranteed any protections.

My new cut-rate onlyfans competitor is called fapitalism

Anti-capitalist messages in a game with a budget of over 300 million dollars

Like a Smash tourney pro complaining about a bad smell.

That's one character's point of view. You can just lick corpo butthole the whole game if you want.

the game basically says you can’t change the whole system, but you can choose how to live in it.
V’s condition (sharing a mind with johnny) becomes a metaphor for loss of control, loss of self, and impending death. No matter what ending you pick, there’s no perfect victory. V doesn’t get to “win” in the traditional RPG sense. That’s intentional because the game is asking:
what do you do when your time is limited and the system is unbeatable?
rather than offering grand political revolutions or complete personal salvation, cyberpunk emphasizes personal relationships, small acts of rebellion, and self-determination. Your choices about:
how you treat Judy, Panam, Kerry, or River
whether you help others even when there's no gain
whether you pursue vengeance or peace with Johnny
these are the real moments where your values are called into question
even Johnny Silverhand who was once the symbol of rebellion starts to reflect on the cost of his ego driven choices. That evolution underlines the idea that maybe meaning isn’t in fixing the world, but in being human within it

yeah but none of my choices mattered I killed the bad guy but then another bad guy took his place who was equally bad

and that's the point of the game, this existential truth that you’re not here to fix the world. You’re here to choose what kind of person you are in spite of it. This is Night City, there are no clean choices, you can do good and the world just keeps spinning
so you're kind of supposed to feel downtrodden, like nothing you did actually mattered in the end and when you do feel that way, when you tell yourself that trying didn't matter and wondering "why try at all?" then that question, not its answer, becomes the beating heart of this game
also johnny is a little bitch he deserves to be wiped

Capitalism le bad starring Keanu Reeves and Idris Elba

You should only only say capitalism bad if you made your game with cardboard and chewed bubblegum

What was the point of this game? It was such a mess, 90% of it was entirely skipable and the other 10% feels like it should be entirely skipable

Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

its funny, because the west and east asia become rich, prosper and technological advance because of Capitalims

An actual missile simulator would be so good

(hence the variety in endings).

hahaha

what did you want from a game based on an old tabletop?

I don't think the people making the game had any idea of what they were doing it all feels like the bullshit you come up in a dream or really drunk and you rush to write it down the struggle for twenty minutes to explain it to someone else

I think you could probably make a pretty good game that criticized capitalism for less than 300 mil.

Severe copium, the game was just rushed and makes no sense

Baldurs gate 3 buts it's GTA in the future?

You're right, I am seething at how much I was let down by the game and how they managed to get additional money out of me with a DLC that was exactly as bad as the base game for the exact same reasons. And for some unknown reason, people still enjoy that garbage. Is that not seetheworthy? Is seething really cringe?

on a related note in die hard mcclane's wife works in nakatomi plaza for a japanese company with a japanese boss iirc

Every single person in a night city is responsible for how bad it is. From the bottom tier gangs all the way to the top. Its consumerism refined. Johnny said it best "Mindless fucking consumerism wins the day again."

Saboru didn't just want to take over the role of government but also usurp the role of God with that crazy plan of his to build orbital data repositories which would be used to house human souls. If he took a personal interest in Soulkilling you he even waived the fee rich people pay to get their souls saved.
Yorinobu was just a dumb degenerate trustfund kid. Never understood his dad. Just used his money to do socially maladjusted richkid shit.

I get what you're trying to say and you might be right, but the story and endings still felt like shit

You accurately broke down the main theme of the game and all three responses were pure Anon Babbletardarion.

Yeah the game is garbage imo, I was genuinely excited for it just cause I liked witcher 3 back then, but honestly the more I saw and played the game the less I liked it, is pretty underwhelming and the whole game is just an empty husk

and that's the point of the game, this existential truth that you’re not here to fix the world. You’re here to choose what kind of person you are in spite of it. This is Night City, there are no clean choices, you can do good and the world just keeps spinning

so you're kind of supposed to feel downtrodden, like nothing you did actually mattered in the end

That's kinda how I felt before the heist with Jackie talking about going to the top and the aftermath of it. I shrugged and thought "oh well that's Night City", life goes on. There's always gonna be asshole corpos and fucked up gangers. Even if you somehow make it to the top you're either going to fall back down to earth or just die and be forgotten the next day. I think V even says something to that effect.

pretty much everyone agrees that cyberpunk had a terrible storyline

Nobody agrees on that

Just because the game has a main theme doesn't make the theme good or enjoyable. Forcing the player character to do stupid shit in order to force him into some melodramatic tearjerker story doesn't make for a good video game, especially one that's supposed to be an RPG.

Same. I could have forgiven the game for its initial opening, but the more I played the more I realised how tied my hands were. I had no way to influence the plot no matter what I did. The worst part for me was in the DLC when the super sketchy government black ops dudes that have been shown ruthlessly killing their pawns the moment they outlive their usefulness or become troublesome ask you to put a chip of experimental tech in your brain in order to do some annoying as fuck gig. NIGGER WHAT THE FUCK PUTTING UNKNOWN SHIT IN YOUR SKULL IS WHAT GOT YOU IN THIS MESS TO BEGIN WITH WHY THE FUCK IS THERE NO OPTION TO REFUSE?

I was so fucking done right then but I stuck with it to see it to the end. And then lo and behold it turns out the bitch that hired you was just leading you on the whole time. Big surprise to exactly nobody except my dumbass character with 20 int. Does the game NOW FUCKING FINALLY give me the option to put a bullet in her brain? Lolno, you either send her to the moon :)))) or you give her to the super sketchy government black ops dudes.

2077 is probably the absolute worst role-playing game I have ever played, and I've played a lot of them.

Good game, although I think it's pointless to discuss on Anon Babble. Similar to how it's pointless to discuss battletech lore with Anon Babble.

Okay name one person who isn't a slavering idiot that doesn't think that the game has a terrible storyline.

Forcing the player character to do stupid shit in order to force him into some melodramatic tearjerker story doesn't make for a good video game, especially one that's supposed to be an RPG.

Sure it does, it worked for MGS3 and spec ops.

Why should I, you're just going to come up with excuses. Even now you're saying that everyone who likes the story is an "slavering idiot"

because you play a character who isnt an all knowing time lord who has to keep the biochip physical/digital integrity from crashing down by slotting it in
did you not pay attention to the story? if V didnt have the biochip in him, Dex's bullet would've killed ya

Night City has bigger problems than capitalism

Are you posting from 2004?
The people supporting wars in shithole country are overwhelmingly on the left, it's been like that for a while now.
The only exception is israel-palestine and that's only because jews spent entire decades mindbreaking american boomers.

I didn't mind the story too much, but it definitely felt like two different games. Like they perhaps originally had it as just adventures with V and Jackie, developing the game around the possibility that they don't actually get Keanu Reeves at all. Then Keanu got back to them and they dropped everything, scrapped it and started over.
Endings though... yeah that was really upsetting. To me it felt like the panam ending was the only decent one if only because it was the only happy ending there is, even with the DLC it's still the only happy ending
to be honest though that also goes back to my other points about the game wanting you to feel powerless. Every ending gives you that feeling of accomplishment. V never gets a cure, Johnny never gets retribution (not fully), corpos are never destroyed, Night City never changes, and even in the best endings, V is dying, Johnny is gone, or both. The loose ends stay loose.
But that might be the point. Let's say all these things are resolved, then what?
If you let V live, you undercut the message that no one gets out clean
If the corps fall, you destroy the foundation of Night City’s lore
If everything wraps up cleanly, it stops being cyberpunk and starts being hero fantasy
and the world of Cyberpunk isn’t built for heroes

I was talking about good video games.

Even now you're saying that everyone who likes the story is an "slavering idiot"

And it's an accurate assessment.

if V didnt have the biochip in him, Dex's bullet would've killed ya

So in other words, if the main character hadn't been in a forced convoluted situation, the other forced convoluted situation that followed would have resolved differently? Whoa man, amazing stuff. It's not like that's the entire point of a role playing game or anything.

Why can't I roll to judge the intent of Dex and avoid the ambush? Why can't I react in time to prevent myself being shot? Why are you defending the game's garbage plot?

see

I was talking about good video games

So no game is good then according to you

*No ending gives you that feeling of accomplishment

If you have money

They're millionaires, you retard. Not folk artists selling their wood carvings at the flea market. I'd rather you put the fucking gun in your mouth than throat faggot corpo cock.

Dude why cant I just toggle god mode and destroy all narrative while making EVERYONE like me

its like whining when the DM wont let you roll or pass a check and you throw a tantrum

tabletoptards are just like vegans aren't they? they really need to let you know they play ttrpgs

halfway done with the edgerunner anime, thinking about picking up cyberpunk 2077 but only if Rebecca is in it.

She isn't

lol lmao

Yeah, if a GM doesn't let a chracter react to the world he's running a masturbation session, not a role playing game. Characters getting to roll to judge intent or perceive an oncoming ambush are the basics of the basics.

they both take place in night city right? I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't include her

I swear they want Perfect immersive sims that no one actually buys

Finish the show and you'll feel no desire to give the polish fucks any money, trust me. I haven't even seen the show but after reading the synopsis it made me hate the game even more.

But why do you insist on unlimited interaction? No game offers what you want, every game is limited by either design or story. But yet here you insist on something that can't happen and has never happened

ITT retards that didn't play the game

no but her gun is if you want that and it's incredibly OP

it actually gets over shadowed if you ever find a broken mod for the shotgun that instant kills on LEG hit (all pellets count) when you slap that on the Tech shotgun

Because it isn't just that specific instance, pretty much the entire game is like that. The only notable exception that I can remember is the quest to get the stealthy spider bot, everything else is on rails and you have no agency.

Game is garbage bro, they only made an anime with bait characters to promo the game, nothing more

no you have a decent amount of agency, just nothing that provides the "perfect" outcome which doesnt belong in the setting.

Don't play the game. Trust me, I have around 3k hours of playtime. You wouldn't like it.

I played it and I have should just deleted it the moment they said you were not able to use flying cars, it shows how utter trash the game is considering it's supposed to be set in the future lol

Almost zero agency is not a decent amount.

making a profit is more important than people's health, safety, rights, right to ownership, etc.

also, helping people is an act of communism, because socialism is bad

4th World Country. Literally

Then name me a game that provides what you want, complete and total player agency

welcome to the cyberpunk genre

Hate to get all "media literacy award" on you guys but did you seriously miss that Johnny was constantly shown as being a brash retard that while having a (explicitly questionably) righteous cause made a lot of stupid decisions that hurt a lot of innocent people

His engram coming to terms with that was a big part of his character

that would imply any of these dumbass niggers would've made it past the tutorial after bitching about not having a blow job in the corpo AV

Nta but vampire bloodlines has a lot of player agency, is like millions of miles ahead of whatever cyberpunk is

Blade runner is not cyberpunk

Yes if you engaged in a massive buyout of a indie tabletop franchise that you proceeded to ruin, make lame, and gay, literally pushed WEF propaganda in your retcons, and are a international multi-billion dollar corporation it's really hard to appear anti-capitalist.

They literally retconned the fucking bioplague because and I quote from the writers that have been employed by the global megacorp that bought the rights for less time than I've been gming the game, "It resembled a conspiracy theory."

no you dont, you're forced to BECOME a vampire, like why cant I just ignore the dumb bitches booty call and instead become a proper vampire hunter for god?
no fucking player agency.

dystopia futuristic high technology dark world

not cyberpunk

?

There is no perfect CRPG due to obvious limitations of writing and coding until we have proper AI game masters, but there are plenty of games that offer far greater amount of player freedom, such as Age of Decadence. Even BG3 goes much further than cybershit2077.

Tech noir

Where was my option to not become a vampire? Where was my option in not pissing off the werewolves, why couldn't I just talk to them? Where was my option to skip getting involved with the sarcophagus

Lmao, the agency is inside the vampire clans being widely different in the ways you can behave and the skills you can get, something cyberpunk doesn't have whatsoever

No, that's the corporate reboot of the corporate reboot. Of course after two international megacorps rebooted, and retconned away any brand unfriendly elements the story would be diluted trash.

See

BG3 was also released several years after cyberpunk and had a unique development cycle, they had the game in early access for years before releasing it and used a lot of player feedback on how to deal with problems.

But speaking of BG3, why did they deny me the option to roll dodge so I wouldn't get a parasite inside my body in the first place? Seems very contrived and forced

Thanks, I fucking hate it here. Do you have any other places for me to be, preferably ones where I don't have to live like a puppet on someone else's strings?

Pure Capitalism without regulation or restraint is a nightmare. Perverse unholy marriage of corporate with government makes dystopian society.

In the cyberpunk alternative history the official governments of the world were just puppets controlled by mega corps pulling the strings. Leading the the highest income and lifestyle inequality in human history.

playing with AI story tellers and going on my intense schizoid delusions for a kick

Le bad.

Yes, check out [insert anime]. It's great because it's a derivative of a hundred other stories just like it.

Ethnically diverse white supremacy

Democratic totalitarianism

Jumbo shrimp

High-budget, corporate-funded cyberpunk game

What do all these things have in common?

no it was taken over by the japanese evil devil mega corpo who only ever care to churn through the people like disposable cogs

Artists
Fuck people who create things.

But speaking of BG3, why did they deny me the option to roll dodge so I wouldn't get a parasite inside my body in the first place? Seems very contrived and forced

I said "even BG3" specifically because I acknowledge that it has serious flaws when it comes to player agency. For example, wish should be more than sufficient to break the curse of the tadpole. Why wouldn't Elminster spare you one of his 9th level spell slots? You meet his simulacrum in act2.

So just like Blade Runner, Ghost in the Shell, and literally every cyberpunk story ever? Congrats, you figured out the genre is built on remixing themes and concepts. Welcome to postmodernism.

No, most shit isn't a fucking reboot of a reboot of a reboot you retard.

So you think a melee build V plays the same as a hacker V?

By your logic then all vampires plays the same and therefore it has no player agency

[insert anime]

What if I insert Gunslinger Girl? Man I fucking hate myself for buying the manga before it finished, because now I have to live with the fact that I supported an author of an awful story.

dying is... LE BAD

It is though. I'm tired of immortality (and the search of it) being portrayed as evil.

Capitalism creates corporations, and unchecked corporations create anarcho capitalism/corpo feudalism. This is what Johnny hates. This is where we are heading

Would Johnny blow up CDProjectRed?

That's just Johnny's autism.
The plot of the game is about letting go.

What if you don't want to let go?

For that you have the sun ending.

I just wanted to make a violent psychopath who takes money from evil people to cause mayhem and bloodshed. I didn't expect a philosophy lesson and actual stakes. I saw the tech and body perks and wanted to go full rip and tear with bombs thrown in. Maybe become a one man army and take on every faction at the same time either going out in a blaze of glory or becoming the new top dog.

But that ending has you dead in a couple of months.

Not if Blue Eyes White Faggot has a way to help, like he helps Songbird if you send her to the moon.

This is where we are heading

hooooooooooooo boy you're already waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay late for that

The alternatives are not particularly amazing either.

damn nigga sounds you want a different game like warframe or something

I don't get the reference. Who is blue eyes white faggot? The singer guy whose name I forgot?

Yeah, all the endings are awful. So, what if you don't want to let go?

Mr Blue Eyes
Nigger, the sun ending concludes with V being sent in space to rob a casino on a contract from the guy.

Captcha CP2077

Oh. I don't think I've ever met him in the game because I don't remember him at all. When I played the game I went with the nomads and googled the synopses of the other possible endings and concluded that it wasn't worth my time to try for the other equally awful endings and dropped the game. Until they reeled me back with the garbage tier DLC and earned my neverending ire.

So do I have it right, there's a character that may be possibly able to help you in one of the endings if you read between the lines and apply an unhealthy dose of copium?

unchecked corporations create anarcho capitalism

That's not ancap though. Ancap follows libertarian ethics, how the fuck is Arasaka doing that when they're killing people and forcing their will? Arasaka is more like hereditary corpocracy

You are correct, cyberpunk settings are not ancap, they are authoritarian. Just because corporations take the place or exist alongside of tyrannical governments doesn't mean it's anarcho-capitalist.

I mean my prefered ending is temperance with giving your body to Johnny. It's the peak of cyberpunk kino as a genre.
But it's undeniable that Bluefag helps Songbird in some way, as she contacts you later after you finish the DLC.

I don't care what happens to songbird, I wanted to put a bullet in her skull. Does Bluefag help V in any of the endings?

No, only implied, after launch people believed that the Crystal Palace heist would be the DLC, but that never happened.

Exactly what I thought then, that there is not a single good ending in the game. Everything is as miserable as the base game.

anarchy follows libertarian ethics, with the official ancap police determining and enforcing what those ethics are

police enforce laws people don't agree with

it's just some company

people don't pay the police anymore

goes bankrupt

wew so hard huh

Anarchy is an ideology where no government exists. If corporations have taken the place of governments, then it's not anarchist.

literally knock off fight club but longer and worse

And what will stop this police from forcing you to pay them?

Escalation of violence. How would they extract money out of the people that outnumber and outgun them?

Yeah the initial point of cyberpunk was that the poorer you are the less you benefit from technological advancement. Rich people all genetically engineered gigastacies living in orbital garden stations with vat cloned ninjas doing their bidding while you get to scrounge up for an extra gig of ram for you neuralink by doing jobs on fiverr

What a amazing story anon. Shame it has nothing to do with reality. CDPR doesn't own Cyberpunk. Hell they don't even own everything in the 2077 timeline. What more they financed Cyberpunk Red which they also don't own. You have no idea what you are talking about much less even played 2020 or Red.

ancap follows libertarian ethics

did you forget already? that is a clear breach of the ethics, in that case the company would be obviously an aggressor and literally anyone is legalized to ignore its orders and dismantle it, you don't even need a judicial system to solve that in ancap

Did you miss the whole thing where Johnny's entire character is basically laughed at when his claim to fame (nuking Arasaka) is not only completely irrelevant in V's time, but literally turned into a corporate attraction?

Johnny doesn't want to fight the corps because he knows that time's past. He's specifically going against Arasaka and the Soulkiller because it's going beyond capitalism. They're trying to be immortal, and he's living proof of it, since they put his psyche/soul whatever you want to call it, in a jar and held him prisoner.

He doesn't like corps (nor should you) but if you think that's the entirety of his character/motivation then you have zero media literacy.

What is Cyberpunk (the genre)?

That's it, that's what cyberpunk is and always has been. Mike Pondsmith, the guy that literally invented the genre, specifically made it in the mid to late 80s when capitalism and corporatism started to become turbocharged.

2077 saved Cyberpunk before that the official canon was Cyberpunk V3.0. You're lucky CDPR revived the system and put out the cash for Red.

Who do you outnumber? You're just a guy with a gun. Probably can't even shoot well. You might ask neighbor for help, but will pretend it's not his problem. Meanwhile they are a large group of trained professionals with military-grade gear, vehicles and training.
They will force you to pay. Then they will force the rest to do the same.

how come conservatives ended up simping for russia and jews?

But what if the leading corporations pay those police, and the people can't not pay because those leading corporations control the basic necessities?

Hence, for anarchy to exist no stable society can exist. Anarchists who want to live in anarchy must fulfill it with their own hands. That is why anarchy or anarcho-capitalism does not exist today; they all got shot by the vast majority of the other humans and their genes never passed on. The only anarcho-capitalists that exist today carry the genes of the passive ones who never had any chance of making it happen.

No wonder the game filtered you brainlets so hard. You can't even grasp basic nuance.

uuuh capitalism bad? johnny said corporation bad!!

Funny how the only 'good' ending the game has is the one where you kneel to the NUSA/Government and they fix you. Sounds really anti-corporate, huh?
Go play Fortnite, it's more your speed.

They're just protecting their interests. I see no breach here.

What makes you think that having military grade gear is somehow special? Half the people would own anti-tank weapons to keep the police in check. A single AT4 is what, around 1.5k dollars? Only the very poorest couldn't own at least one.

genre is about how everything is fucked up and you can't win

game still gives you an ending where you live to appease retards like you

w-where is my ride off into the sunset with m-my waifu panam?? my capeshit movies always end like that wtf!!

legitimately people like you are why videogame stories are braindead.

Nonsense, all of the Shadowrun games had decent endings. It being cyberpunk is not an excuse to write awful stories.

What makes you think that weapons manufacturers would just sell anything to the peasants who might use those weapons to get ideas and endanger their business?

But what if the leading corporations pay those police

people can just disagree to obey the corporation funded police

inb4 but they are going to make you do it anyway

ok then it goes to this the only way for you to legitimize an "unfair" enforcement of laws would be if the person agreed to follow them, but in that case it's not unfair anymore. if you sign a contract that if you enter X company and you fart inside the building you have to pay a $1000 fine then it's on you for agreeing with it. you're making a case where the police just forces shit on people that never agreed to, basically the state with things like taxes

funny you say that, the two games are structured very similarly

pick a clan/lifrpath that gives you flavor options in dialogue

linear main quest you can't say no to

largely disconnected sidequests

right before the end you get to pick from a list of endings based on how you interacted with the main players

both have imsim elements

granted, vtmb is basically better in every way but the games are actually similar
and try to play 77 stealthily on very hard, you'll notice how much work went into the level design

Because it's more profitable to sell to the masses than a select group of individuals, unless there's a government that makes it impossible. And if one weapons manufacturer refuses to sell, then another will.

Reading this thread I'm reminded once again that most posters on Anon Babble are muttoids that are conditioned to defend corporate interests since birth. Sad.

Will he make a game where commies are the enemy? Not just something where you fight vs. their soldiers but their ideology and rule.
He has lived under commie rule and hates them. Has resources.

And exactly is the problem with having "ride off into the sunset with my waifu" ending? Especially when it's one of many options? They could have several good endings and still have room for some shitty endings to appease miseryfags.

The problem with the ride off into the sunset with my waifu end is that 1) you're forced to sacrifice a bunch of people for no reason (you can assault the tower on your own if and succeed if you pick the correct esoteric dialogue options) and 2) you're dead in a couple of months anyway

Oh, they will sell to masses. Just not the best stuff. Only crap that can be easily neutered.

then another will

Not if he comes to an "agreement" with the first one.

Remember when lefties on Twitter went completely insane when someone posted some cyberpunk lore and it straight up mentioned forced diversity and controlling and dividing people by introducing more diversity into the population? You know, exactly what is happening today?
Reminder that cyberpunk was written by a high IQ black, he probably hates niggers more than the average poltard

Then the cheap stuff can be modified or bundled together, making it pointless to sell cheap stuff in the first place.

Then another manufacturer will pop up. Making explosives isn't that complex.

Then the cheap stuff can be modified or bundled together

Right, works great for sandniggers and their Toyota.

Then another manufacturer will pop up.

And will become a part of said "agreement" or else will be destroyed before he manages to produce a single bullet.

If you consider tragic/downer endings 'bad', then that says a lot about you and nothing about the story you're criticizing. Again, go watch capeshit if you want 0 nuance.

Because the whole theme of the game is letting go. Giving the player everything they wanted would undermine the entire story of the game. They let you get one thing you want, but they take away everything else. You CAN become a legendary merc, you CAN get the chip removed, you CAN go off with Panam... But in all those endings, you lose everything else.

Like the other poster, if you are simply equating negative endings with bad writing, then you're immediately admitting you don't actually care about the writing of said negative endings.
It's a story, not your retarded power fantasy. You have 99% of other videogames to give you that instead, let the 'miseryfags' have one.

Any black who isn't braindead hates most other blacks.

Spec Ops was for midwits who thought they were smart yet hadn't read Heart of Darkness.

Those sandniggers defeated the largest military in the world, didn't they?

And then a new one that doesn't want to become part or the cartel and avoids being destroyed due to people avoiding escalation of violence pops up.

If giving the player everything they wanted would undermine the entire story of the game, then the entire story should be undermined. It's right there in what you said - giving the player what they want. Do you think not getting what you want is enjoyable?

let the 'miseryfags' have one

Not that I can do anything about it. Not to mention that miseryfags eat quite well. Expedition 33 is clearly your win. FF16 was one as well.

Helping the glowies and getting brain damage in the process is the best ending you can get though. A blank slate, a new start.

inb4 no implants though

Game states that you can't control your implants anymore, but there are passive implants like skin or bone implants. And at the end, you have enough money and connections to get the best stuff you want

Get the best skin and bone implants

Get some AI-powered visors which act like kiroshi implants

Get steroids

Some DNA alteration for good measure

Get the best sneaking suit there is

Only accept thieving and assassination contracts

ezpz

Yorinobu wanted to save his own ass, he saw that Saburo has a massive god complex and was willing to use his son's body to continue existing, after rebellion failed he tried the next best thing witch was to kill Arasaka from the inside.

Note that is said EVERYTHING the player wanted. Not just what they wanted.
I never wanted a happy ending, and I'm a player, what now?

Because good stories are never about giving you what you want. Fire & Ice, Breaking Bad, The Wire... All these stories, you think if they gave them all 'good endings', they would be even half as popular as they were?
No, they were good precisely because they didn't do that. Because they were realistic, and realize taking things away adds just as much, if not more, than giving them to the viewer/reader.
Why would the writers give Walter White cancer? It's kind of a fucking bummer. Why didn't Skyler side with him and the whole family worked together? Why did Hank try and arrest him? Do you not see that if you make everything work out, you don't have a story. You just have a shitty power fantasy. Ie, capeshit. Maybe that entertains YOU, but a lot of people don't just want to see the same story over and over with difference costumes.

Now, let's name all the games that have classic 'good guy wins and fucks the girl' endings.
Oh wait, that's literally 99% of all videogames ever made.

If you complain about this, you're a bitch. You're being almost universally catered to, and you're still complaining.

A single AT4 is what, around 1.5k dollars? Only the very poorest couldn't own at least one.

and reminder that it's only this price because there are taxes and shady contracts involved, and it's not mass produced to public. in an ancap scenario the price of anything military would very likely massively go down, and the problem would be more about having enough people to use all the shit around than having the gear itself. so if you wanted to force your way in then you'd have to convince others that you're le good guy and keep them convinced while you're doing your villain shit, so you'd need hitler tier speeches to keep things going, and even him had to create a monopoly of force to keep people from defecting (although you could have a nazi city in ancap as long as you don't kill or steal from jews, but you could never accept jews to live there for example, the only issue is that others would probably boycott the city and never accept to trade with it lol)

I mean, that's another topic entirely, I personally think it's one of the worst endings because someone with no chrome (they make it very clear you can't even get things like a holo) is completely and utterly useless in the current world. V would be getting beaten up by teenagers, even if the procedure didn't leave him physically impaired (beyond just not being able to have implants). It's also extremely depressing since they actually go out of your way to show that absolutely everyone moved on, and then Misty shows up, and she moves on, too. Sure, you get to live, but at what cost? V's gonna be a barista or some shit.

Imo, the best endings are V giving the body over to Johnny and the space casino ending.

Maybe it's because I grew up reading Tolkien but, "Le no good endings" is a bad crutch for hack writers that have a misery porn fetish.

What I hate about the Cyberpunk setting is the stagnation that's prevalent in most stories I read about it. "The City Wins" fucking sucks when the next group over playing dark heresy or dungeons and dragons sound like they're effecting the world. Given the chance, I would ABSOLUTELY play a character that would unleash a X.A.N.A type of AI onto the setting just so it can fucking move forward and react!

In Cyberpunk, it's straight crony capitalism at that point. The corporations run everything and are de facto governance, and yes, that's bad.

Oh wait, that's literally 99% of all videogames ever made.

From my perspective it's the other way around. Most endings are either nothingburgers or some "incomplete" happy endings, which are typically called "bittersweet" (and it's the shit I hate even more than full miseryfaggotry).

Everyone moves on

V knows these people for how long? 2 months? How old is V at the end? 25? He has his entire life ahead of him.

Holo

Bluntly speaking, just use a cell-phone. Get the stuff I've mentioned, get roided up, and you're set. V also has combat experience with a variety of guns and blades.

It definitely is. I find Tolkien's books insanely dull to read, because I already know what happens even before I read it.

There's nothing good with good triumphing over evil and all that, but there has to be more than that. There has to be nuance, otherwise, the story might as well not be there, because it just feels like it was written to appease me, rather than being an actual tale, something that might've happened.

Capitalism is bad

Every scholar knows this

inb4 communism/socialism out of nowhere

Meds

inb4 it's le best system we got

So best it's the youngest and most short lived system and about to collapse under its immense inefficiency to be forgotten and made fun of by historians forever

reminder this is a thread only inhabited by people who do not know what the word economy means and refuse to watch econ 101 on youtube

umm yeah that would be good

Truly, Postal and GTA are the peak of videogames.

heh

is the game fully fixed yet?
Played it last over a year ago and back then NPCs didn't even drive motorbikes.
If you were on a bike you were the only one in the entire town

about to collapse

any day now, comrade, any day now..

inb4 communism

called it

Because mostly commie zealots are so thoroughly brainwashed and dull to make such stupid comments "about to collapse under its immense inefficiency"
So I'd give it a 99% chance of hitting the mark.

so what's your alternative? Mornachism?
Also according to Marx capitalism should be dead 100 years ago and yet it's still here

>Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

I will never understand this

Sure, some private companies have done some fucked up shit, but when you think about all crimes against humanity, they were done by totalitarian dictatorships

Holocaust

Holodomor

Armenian genocide

Rwanda genocide

Imperial Japan mass raping and killings

Meanwhile McDonald's is just selling burguers and roleplaying with other corporate accounts, it just feels silly

you're talking like anime is kinda kino, it's soulless goysloptier pure garbage which shilled by zoomiefaggots who didn't watch any cyberpunk media before, I've never seen such an overestimation in my life

Capitalism is.... LE BAD!

There is no capitalism in Cyberpunk progressed into Corporate Feudalism decades before the game takes place. The city it takes place in is literally a corporate entity.

under its immense inefficiency

ever since capitalism became the main system in the world

human population grew 10x

no great famines

major technology leaps compared to any point in history

it's anything BUT inneficient, if anything, we need less state intervention

ain't gonna refute that but THE reason why boomiefuckers overrated GITS & Neuromancer is only because it had hot big titted alt hot babes, people don't care 'bout muh "theme" or "genre" but only "sex"
history repeats, it's all about sex after all

Meanwhile Arasaka kidnaps children to turn them into routers. That's normal according to you?

if you're telling me you played this or know anything about cyberpunk and think "capitalism good" you are a fucking retard and cannot be salvaged. enjoy actually living in the movie idiocracy in about....now.

Sounds fun. On a side note why to liberals love homeless junkies so much? Is it because they're gullible?

the game doesn't allow you to make any retarded choice that might occur to a shut-in weeb loser, therefore it's bad

Man you people are a bunch of faggots.

trump is jewish
this cannot be the first time people are hearing this...

I'd rather be a shut in weeb than a shut in faggot like you.

It’s a decent first person rpg that isn’t a Bethesda game for a change

They’ve had the monopoly on it for decades

Capitalism is bad. That's why it has to be regulated

im clearly talking about the real world, anon

It is regulated. Truth is there's no system that works perfectly forever because we're the problem.

I'm not shut in at all.

I think Cyberpunk 2077 is the last videogame had actual good story and I felt the writing was written by true fan, with earnest
PUNK is derived from punk rock, one of rock genre which started as a rebellion against the economic crisis in 1970s & "Protests of 1968" boomers
The protests of 1968 is an anti-establishment movement influenced by Neo-Marxism.
"the anti-establishment movement is also rotten to the core, so be against the anti establishment movement" that's the muh punk spirit shit, such extreme anti-social view was 'punk'
Johnny Silverhand, who insisted that Arasaka should be burned down to the core and people should have to escape from it's system, is a terrorist close to Ted Kaczynski, an extremist even in the punk.
Where on earth should I feel Johnny Silverhand as bro? when I have to hang out all day with this douchebag that fucks up at least millions of lives and treats the players like shit?
All you have to do is just hate Johnny Silverhand, that's all, Johnny Silverhand is the fucking retard that even author called him as a shithead,
What Johnny Silverhand represents is just an old punk rock star, an old punk spirit, who has become obsolete, fat, greasy chin, greedy fatfuck wasting money on shit
Not only Johnny Silverhand, but everything appearing in cyberpunk is rotten as fuck.
Arasaka, who is engaged in an eternal family fight, has become a servant of the chairman who wants to live forever even if he converts his soul into a piece of data.
The chairman's eldest daughter Hanako, who helps V, is nothing more than a chess piece trying to restore her father, who is nothing more than relic chip’s data.

XXXX is.... LE BAD!

Just because your parent don't love you doesn't mean you have to come stink up this board with your presence.

They already control the public to the soul, Arasaka has little weight in the story because it's a Dystopia that everybody already been defeated. raped. castrated.
Not only Johnny Silverhand, but everything appearing in cyberpunk is rotten as fuck.
Arasaka, who is engaged in an eternal family fight, has become a servant of the chairman who wants to live forever even if he converts his soul into a piece of data.
The chairman's eldest daughter Hanako, who helps V, is nothing more than a chess piece trying to restore her father, who is nothing more than relic chip’s data.
They already control the public to the soul, Arasaka has little weight in the story because it's a Dystopia that everybody already been defeated. raped. castrated.
Everyone is only bitching at Arasaka's conspiracy to rule America forever, the spirit of rebellion was castrated.
Among the many ending routes, except for the hidden ending where V attacks alone, the only people who are eager to resist against Arasaka are Jonny and Rogue, and Panem who lives as a nomad, an outsider
The anti-establishment movement to root out the rotten older generation continued to thousands of times in hundreds of countries, and they're all rotten just like all of them, even the 'punk spirit' bullshit has rotten, It leaved only the bitter conclusions, punk is like a sick joke after all.
To Night City, the punk spirit is nothing more than schizo like Johnny Silverhand.

And the world of Night City was harsh even for legendary terrorist schizo Johnny Silverhand.
Despite Johnny's nuclear burned down Arasaka to the core, Arasaka has grown again and formed a pyramid-like conglomerate, people, even their souls are being dominated, and the relic technology that converts souls into data has emerged, Johnny finally become legend, which means he's nothing, just an fairytale, just like a mirage.
Even though he was given a second chance, he failed to save V's life, no matter how much Johnny struggles, V has only six months to live, Johnny and Rogue's love was nothing more than a mirage that could never be recovered, he even failed to change his old friend's mind.
Johnny Silverhand, who seemed to be a legend, was actually just an incompetent human being, and the punk spirit and resistance he spoke of were all just a pun.
Yet, Johnny leaves the stage saying ‘Never stop resisting’ until the moment he disappearing from V’s body by himself.
In other words, we have to ‘resist’ because there is nothing left to us.
We all grow old, get fat, and eventually become miserable and cruelly disappear from this world, and in the end we lose everything just like lyrics of end credit song
Still, there is something that does not disappear, and it can be called beautiful, so we must live without stopping resistance.
The words 'never stop resisting' of a punk who eventually became a ghost after losing everything and paying the price is an epitaph left by him for people today who have lost everything.

Free market trade ("capitalism ") is good.
You can even see it in the game.
Lots of people get by just fine doing freelance work.
You don't have to be a corpo wagecuck.

about to collapse under its immense inefficiency to be forgotten and made fun of by historians forever

Marx lost. Capitalism is so efficient that it's able to capitalize even on opposing systems like communism. Look at the amount of commie channels on youtube selling shit, taking sponsors, etc. Also half of the commies praise China which had to accept a lot of capitalism to get rich. Yeah I know you're trying to imply you're not a commie but "le capitalism is determined to fail in 2 weeks" is a marxist idea

capitalism will fail in two more weeks!!

doesn't say what will replace it

don't want to be called a communist despite saying one of their main talking points

bejitasister... this is not how we argue

If Corpos are the reason everything is bad then why is Pacifica a shithole?

Nta, but I think anarchy is just a knee-jerk reaction that calls for the destroy running regime. That regime can be turbo liberal or fascistic, it doesnt matter. It matters whether people are fed up with it and want change. Anarchy is pretty much chaos in my book.
Ancap for me is when corporations have grown so big and strong that will do whatever it takes in order to establish market dominance, even if that causes chaos to parts of the world

The VDB seem to think AI will make everything better if they can break the Blackwall down to let the AI in. And the Corpo money pulled out of developing Pacifica because of Dogtown.

Because corpos man!
But really, becuase there was no budget or desire to finish building pacifica after Johnny's little bomb destroyed most of NC.
All the effort was put into rebuilding the corporate towers.

Every liberal on this site is either trapped in the early 2000s because that was the last time they had real interactions with people (school).

Or some autistic troom

you didn’t play the game

The Devil ending is completely unironically the best ending in the game and it's pretty funny how the game keeps trying to frame it as bad- Misty trying to guilt trip you, V being turned into an Engram is scary where with Alt it's fine, V's angry during the recovery where with Millitech it's fine, V feels betrayed only having 6months to live where with Alt it's fine, etcetcetc

And yet by every metric and factor everyone in Night City, everyone in the world, and V himself is better off in the Devil ending than any other ending.

It's the least Cyberpunk ending, but it's by far the best ending. Hell, it's by far the most heroic ending. V outright stops the 5th Corporate War, which happens in every other ending.

When corpos control everything, including basic services people depend on to survive, a total corpo pullout reduces them to scavenging and barbarism. Notice how they all live in the ruins of corporate infrastructure, because the corps refuse to invest further in the region or let anyone else take it over from them. They still own Pacifica, they're just squatting on the rights to build there until the situation "improves" (people leave due to it being an unlivable shithole).

You definitely don't sound grumpy.

they should've made the game about shooting homeless people and bombing brown children in the middle east with raytheon missiles

based, sounds fun as fuck

this guy really thought he was smart lol. obviously that's-- nah, you know what, bro...just...just fuck you, ok? *shoots you and walks away cool*

I just had fun playing the game and enjoying the story :)

claim CP77s teenage anarchist anti-corp wank is the be all and end all of everything

you did not play the game and you write like a plebbitor

Capitalism creates corporations

No it doesn't, or else you have a huge hill to climb trying to explain how all the other systems also had corporations just by another name. Even the USSR had its corporations under the Party. Your thinking is narrow, and you don't understand the actual problem. Just like a typical anti-capitalist.