realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem, and come out on the other side stronger?
Realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem, and come out on the other side stronger?
There is no such thing as an anti-fan.
no game is better than dogshit game that shits on its legacy
The only "anti fans" are the devs, jurnos and people at the top.
Getting rid of the comically bad wig was a good decision by him.
we will use our psychic powers to WANT the game into failure! beware!
There are no anti-fans. Just people who don’t buy and who laugh at shit games.
anti fans are real and there needs to be more
they're people who realized how terrible AAA slop is and it's great that devs are feeling threatened now
I'm curious how they think someone who isn't buying the game is costing them sales from people who do support their game. Maybe those supporters aren't the given they thought they were. No "nerd cave."
Make better games. I know, it's hard but they should atleast try.
come out and be honest saying the new devs don't care about their original fans and only want to pander to the specific audience
then admit when their game flops it's because that specific audience isn't big enough to support their aaa multi-million dollar budget
anti fans are buying negative copies of the game
Imagine getting called an anti-fan for not wanting to consoom. They always have to twist things around.
Those game sales we were used to are a given! They're already ours! It's someone else's fault when we don't get them!!
The entitlement is wild.
phrenology is real
anti-fans who want the game to fail
they are called "game devs" now
game is announced
okay interesting
my type of game
watch trailer
okay this is not for me
now a sane person would
ignore it because it's shit
move on
but a retard on the other hand
buy it anyway maybe it's good
play it
it sucks
bitch about it endlessly
wasting everyones time
and you're probably going to say that the devs will learn from the outrage, right? they won't. EA already said that the people who bought it loved it and their mistake was they didn't market it correctly and didn't reach enough players.
Make better games and stop shitting on your potential customers, and maybe they'll stop wishing for your failure in turn.
wanting games to fail
no such thing. games are simply shit, and as such lose their audience. no one will dislike your game harder than scorned fans.
Literally "Its not OUR fault, its the GAMERS fault"
These retards never fucking learn. Fuck Bioware.
It’s not a thing.
Nobody gave a shit about Dragon Age after Inquisition. Veilguard could have removed all the woke bullshit and it would still be a bland, forgettable, unwanted abortion of a game.
People cannot ignore games because marketing has convinced them EVERY game is or EVERYONE. This means they have to comment on every single one of them.
Seriously, what is wrong with game devs? They are like the only industry I see that actively shits on their players who are their customers. You literally have no job if your customers (the gamers) are unhappy. Just make a goddamn game people want to play for fucks sake.
Anti-Fan? I didn't even do anything!
hehe
dragon age
who the fuck cares about that game and their dev team, it sucked back then and it really sucks now.
fpbp
TOTAL
EA
BANKRUPTCY
Pepe? More like peepee, amirite?
Why would it matter if people who hate your product don't want to buy it? All you have to do is either find another audience who will appreciate your product, or change your product to appeal to these people
If your product is completely unable to find an audience of any kind at all anywhere, that's not a problem with the audience. That's a problem with you and your product.
It all relies on investors putting their foot down. If they lose enough money then they'll stop tolerating developer excuses. Developers will then be forced to make games for the fans again. Eventually fans will forget why they were angry and consoom once more.
The (((investors))) are the ones funding this. Otherwise BIOWARE would have gone out of business long ago. You fund this if you have a 401k
You fund this if you have a 401k
I contribute the minimum amount that I can into that thing
My real retirement fund is my real estate investments.
you dramatically overestimate a bioware games earning potential. if one of EAs sports games lands below expectations its like the world is ending but if a dragon age sells 5mil copies day1 it doesn't move the needle.
Games only fail if normies don't buy them.
The devil proclaiming he doesn't exist
How do people that were never going to buy your product because you specifically alienated them (i.e. “anti-fan”) affect other people from buying your game?
And one by one companies are backing away from their bullshit. Amazon, Anheuser-Busch, Facebook, Harley-Davidson, and McDonald's (unless I'm forgetting anyone) have all either publicly or privately denounced DEI. The most important message in the long run is, and will always be so long as we have the right to not buy, profit.
Stop making woke games made for people who don't play video games and stop doing what Vanguad and Blackrock tell you to do.
Anti-fans are just ex-fans you left behind when you started pandering to a wider audience, you fuck.
good thing gets made
be fan of thing
new thing gets made
new thing is shit
call it out as shit
Make better stuff.
Make good games
Anti fan, anti woke, woke right, man that think tank money drying up really has them struggling. Blew their budgets on weird, brat, and dark Brandon I guess
more like people did nothing and the game flopped on its own?
Don't forget antifa.
I really want this gay fatty to die.
this.
i didnt care about some homo NPC in Dragon Age Origins. It wasn't forced. The game was good.
The irony
he's completely right about the fact some people just want to see the world burn but it's people like him that cultivate this mentality and create of drama seeking people, sharpening their fangs, waiting for any opportunity to crash something, cancel someone and overall being piece of shit
Before, the heat was targeted at their ennemies and they were fine with it but now it starting to backfire on them, so now they are warning people about it
It's pathetic
I'm starting to believe women when they say the problem with male balding isn't the balding itself, but the rampant insecurity that comes along with it
There absolutely is, and it has a perfect explanation.
get hired to YELLOW studio
some guys who retired once designed YELLOW, a game about yellow
they then went on to design YELLOW 2, another game about yellow, showing that they just got lucky the first time and cant really innovate
we take their IP and use our creative design and gameplay development degrees to evolve the series into a new direction with YELLOW 3 which is actually about red, and misguided fans complain that it should be more like the outdated concepts of yellow
ignore the naysayers and forge ahead, and reboot the series as PURPLE, and now antis appear out of the woodwork that are just anti-purple
We're just here to laugh at your shit game
It's simple. Pride. Prideful people can never do wrong. It must be the fault of someone else!
Obviously if the series is taken in a new direction that no one has asked for or appreciates people will want to see it fail. Else it's going to happen again.
rules for thee and none for me
they always get pissy when what they consider their own tactics like cancelling or boycotting are flipped on them
gaydar is a shit writer
Stop making shit people don't like. You know exactly what your fans want - more of what they bought the first time with new ideas and content added onto the original premise, without ruining or overwriting that premise. Also no browns, blacks, empowered women or LGBT, unironically.
it probably made sense in your head
The anti-fans are the people making these modern games and killing IPs.
>Dragon age writer warns...
And into the trash it goes. I wonder what the super Mario Bros. 3 writers have to say.
It's a non problem. Thise whole "chuds made our game fail" thing is just cope for making shit games nobody wants. Chuds have zero power, normal people don't give a shit about wokeness and won't even consider things to be woke that would make chuddies go insane (like having black people or women in games). Shit games don't sell, good games sell, no matter the "controversies" or "hate campaigns" that surround them.
make a game called dragon age
the actual plot of every game largely involves the blight and the darkspawn which have nothing to do with dragons
the only in-setting use of the name dragon age is that people decided to name the current century a dragon age because there was a sighting of a high dragon
by the way this only became an uncommon sight during the previous century, due to both that century and the century before being defined by a war against dragons that decimated their population.
meaning that literally every age before dragon age had dragons and regular dragon sightings, and dragon age is named as such because it might have one high dragon maybe
whats a high dragon, by the way? is it anything important? Nope. High dragon is any adult female dragon that survived to develop to breeding age.
the only fight against a fully developed 'dragon' in the entire game is against a human witch, the mother of a party member, who shapeshifts into a dragon to fight you
a few malnourished baby dragons are also chained in dungeons and used as guard dogs by ancient kings to protect their relics
in setting, dragons are some shitass non sentient animal that is nearly extinct that is used as a pet by human kings and that sometimes sorcerers shapeshift into because the claws and teeth are useful, in a game primarily about fighting not-demons called darkspawn because they arent demons, and their corrupt fallen gods called archdemons because i repeat the darkspawn arent demons
So, the actual reason the game is called Dragon Age is because you lied to me. You know I wanted dragons and you chose to not give me dragons and you lied about giving me dragons. And now you are calling me an anti-fan, because I want something you promised me but didnt give me.
have sex
used to make good games
people liked them
start making shit games to "appeal to a wider audience", "appeal to the modern audience", "we need more blacks and women", and "let's make our games lame and gay"
fans don't like it
instead of having introspection and going "geez, where did we go wrong?" or "maybe we should try and listen?"
start throwing a massive fit calling anyone who disagrees with your shit decisions nazi's, white nationalists, far-right, white supremacists, etc
do basically everything to avoid accountability and refuse to fix a problem they created
the developer of this game OWES me dragons.
Make actual games, not gigaslop for the masses
The only people allowed to make games should be people who play games and have a vision of what they want to make.
They should also be required by law to tell any suits to eat shit and die
In fact, anyone that qualifies as a suit should be nowhere near videogames, at all, ever
"anti-fans"
"unprofessional" devs
Who's getting blamed for their flagrant ineptitude next?
i just wanted to play fun videogames and not constantly be reminded of my superior Aryan genes.
Theres literally a high dragon boss the the final boss is a super dragon. Did you even play the game?
antifans are not coomsoming!
leftists don't believe in merit/quality and you must redistribute your money,
Stop making shit games
destroying the industry with your 401k is a good thing tho
critical thought isn't allowed
loses his job
but ceos do retarded shit all the time then cash out
It's not always evident from a trailer that a game is shit. Sometimes people waste their hard earned money on a stinker. It's sad, but reality. These people who played and couldn't get a refund are 100% justified bitching about the bad game they were tricked into buying.
Play games
Finish them
I feel in hindsight I'm not a fan of any of them and don't wish others to keep pushing muh bioware magic
I'm an anti fan because I regret all my time in every bioware game I live ever played
Similar for helldivers2 and it's devs insistence on pushing new shit out untested and invariably having it he broken or in need of tuning
*dressed up in full nazi uniform*
There is no such thing as the 3rd reich
So you are literally making an argument for bitching just to bitch?
It's not always evident from a trailer that a game is shit.
Can you name any examples of a trailer that made a bad game look good? With movies it's different, i can think of some movies that put all the stuff in the trailer and the full movie is trash but games don't get away with it.
Don't want your shit to fail? Make it good.
You can't? You get what you fucking deserve.
It's that simple.
Can you name any examples of a trailer that made a bad game look good?
We both know how this ends. I list a trailer, and you come back with an indignant "YOU THOUGHT THAT LOOKED GOOD? YOU DESERVE TO BE RIPPED OFF!"
Asinine.
Wanting the game to fail
Concentrate really hard
Do a little dance in my cheap desk chair
Game fails
MFW I'm a magician
game is announced
okay interesting
my type of game
watch trailer
okay this is not for me
now a sane person would
ignore it because it's shit
move on
game flops
devs and publisher blame fans/racist incel gamers for not buying it
ip gets shelved for all eternity
Bad games flop all the time. People only give a shit when devs and publishers push the blame onto the customer for not buying a product they were never interested in.
I can always tell with 100% success rate
I think Veilguard gets more criticism than it deserves, the latest polling data shows that Bioware companions are the most hated companions of all time in CRPGs in general, and Veilguard just followed through on the standard previous Bioware writers had met.
*dressed up in full nazi uniform*
look at the femen cunt here
Fascinating.
Maybe i'm just uniquely fucking cynical or my ability to see through bullshit is extremely good but i know i can tell from a 30 second trailer if a game is for me. The only people that get fooled either have 0 experience with vidya and just pick up a game at the store because the cover looks good, check the back and decide to buy or not.
People only give a shit when devs and publishers push the blame onto the customer for not buying a product they were never interested in.
Thanks to grifters and Anon Babbletards we will never know. I mean we have twitter accounts doing nothing but reposting Anon Babble and Anon Babble shit all day making a couple thousand every month with impressions. Youtubers who have made dozens of 11+ minute videos before a game comes out just because a dev said something on social media. And their viewers lap it up, those are anti fans Gayder is bitching about.
Jacob that high
i genuinely thought he was the most forgettable person in the trilogy
???
It's both. Women don't like insecurity but they don't like bald men either. Balding men become more insecure because they know their dating pool is extremely limited now, so they try getting hair replacements, wigs, etc. Which makes them seem even more insecure which further shrinks the dating pool even more. That causes them to go more extreme, rinse and repeat.
The anti fans are in the wall, they are in the sewers, they control all the economic activity and can make your game fail.
They have weird behaviors like playing old games or spinning dice and dancing to something like this:
youtube.com
Thanks to grifters and Anon Babbletards we will never know. I mean we have twitter accounts doing nothing but reposting Anon Babble and Anon Babble shit all day making a couple thousand every month with impressions. Youtubers who have made dozens of 11+ minute videos before a game comes out just because a dev said something on social media. And their viewers lap it up, those are anti fans Gayder is bitching about.
Wow so you're telling me if devs kept their traps shut on social media and made games people actually want to play none of this would be an issue?
I don't accept that you've NEVER had a game turn out to be unenjoyable despite making a good first impression on you. Horseshit. Maybe it's been a while since you played a bad one and you're letting that recent memory cloud your long-term one. Either that, or you're just VERY new to buying games. So I'd say you're pulling the uno reverse on me claiming I don't have experience. The problem is that I have too much.
There's only so much you can glean from a trailer. You don't necessarily grasp every system and every nuance, and sometimes that nuance you hoped for just isn't there.
Yeah I wasn't expecting him to be that high either, only Taash beats him out, Jacob is somehow the second most hated CRPG companion of all time, beating out even Sera from Inquisition, which is quite something. Regardless, Bioware dominates the top three with ease, truly they cannot be matched when it comes to creating revolting and hated characters.
I just don't pay attention to western devs these days.
Including indie devs.
Too many of them just clearly hate their audience, and I have no reason to support that kind of behavior.
It's less of a problem with indies. They got into this because they had a vision not accomplished by big studios. Not many indies blatantly hate their players (they do exist tho)
I only play chinese games
He's doing that modern marketing thing where he deflects all the blame from the people making an inferior product to the people complaining about an inferior product.
realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "dissatisfied customer" problem, and come out on the other side stronger?
fify
Can you name any examples of a trailer that made a bad game look good?
Dead Island
The Division
Watch_Dogs
It's less of an issue nowadays since people called out shit like the infamous Watch_Dogs downgrade and implied co-op that never made it into the final product, and everyone nowadays knows that any game that only shows a cinematic trailer can just be ignored outright.
The non-binary and bharv and insane diary rambling about gender pronouns shit was so obscene that any rational person's evaluation of taash would plummet to the bottom of the list immediately. There has never been a more disgusting egregiously insultingly awful companion.
Sera and the Bull on top of being hideous are also annoying as hell, in contrast Jacob is just your average trendy gay dude.
this but anything made by Bethesda.
It's the devs own fault for saying something retarded on social media.
If the anti fans can convert fans into non fans isn't that a problem of having weak content lacking in merit?
There's only so much you can glean from a trailer.
Two games have fooled me in the recent past. One was Calisto Protocol because it was a brawler despite getting marketed as a Dead Space horror shooter and the other was Remnant 2 because i didn't know it was a wiki game. But if i had done more than just watch a trailer i would have seen through that as well.
No, i'm not assigning blame to anyone. But i'm talking about fucking reality. Like what did really ruin Failguards image, this trailer youtube.com
True. Cinematic trailers are extremely deceptive but i'm not sure that people use them to make a purchase decision. I don't know but i don't think they do.
flopslop dei trash is announced
everyone mocks it and shits on it
flopslop dei trash is released
it's a flop and everyone laughs at it even more
jeet shills from babel media shit up every forum about how it sold 500 gorillion copies and the chuds lost
a month later the company admits in their shareholder report that the dei flopslop flopped
they either sell the studio to china or shut the studio down completely
everyone laughs at them again
reddit trannies hope that the fiasco just gets forgotten
oh no one of the retard devs said something retarded again
everyone laughs at them again
reddit trannies seethe and try to make appeals to triviality
KWAB
Just abolish IP law, or at the very least severely curtail it while scrubbing away the sheer scale of publisher rot that the world has accumulated during this brief period of global IP law enforcement.
They do crop up from time to time. The problem is that they are usually hired by the company producing the thing they are an anti-fan of, so they actively attempt to undermine and ruin the property from within.
Why is it impossible for game developers to make good games again? Stop shoving niggers, faggots and bitch cunt foids in everything too.
Make the game the fans would love. Easy.
You seem to think that the outrage farmers are the ones driving the sentiment.
No anon, what's happening is that people are dissatisfied, so they go to the people who are the only ones saying what they think ("this game looks like shit") which results in the outrage farmers getting bigger and bigger because they do genuinely represent a majority of the consumerbase.
It's not outrage farmers making consumers into anti-fans, it's shitty publishers and developers ruining games, turning fans into ex-fans, and ex-fans going to these youtubers because the youtubers say what the ex-fans have believed (or suspected) for years.
No, i'm not assigning blame to anyone.
That is exactly what you're doing. People have made fun of dogshit movies longer than your village had internet access.
Jacob isn't gay though, he fucked Miranda and will also fuck female Shepard if romanced, who he then cheats on and breaks up in 3, which really made a lot of the faggots that actually played femShep angry.
Stop being liberals.
consumerbase
We need to stop this anti-human npc speak. We're customers.
Funny thing about that
if i had done more than just watch a trailer
Now we're spiraling into hypotheticals. You can always "do more research" but you shouldn't have to. People can get tricked by bad games that look good. And they're right to be mad even if they could have spent a year researching a fucking video game when they could have just taken the plunge and crossed their fingers it was worth the money.
Let people have their indignation.
Like what did really ruin Failguards image
Hmm, good point.
I'll just call them players instead.
Most of the playerbase can tell that these modern games are shit, and they point it out to the chagrin of the shills and developers.
No you're consumers. Give your money to the company.
You are goycattle.
It seems that EA were the true heroes all along.
Wanting games to fail
Help! Help! The chuds are thinking bad thoughts!!!
Die mad troon.
It's a fucking synonym. You DO consume. Even if that word has negative connotations in your mind.
I became an anti fan of Dragon Age when they released the second game. I don't know what anti fan means but Hamburger Helper's role in screwing up the series on the second game was monumental. It's debatably a one good game series, but much like Mass Effect the writing got ruined down the line. Although ME was two good games, opposed to just the one.
Make good games
Silence is violence, anon. Not buying it is literally an attack on their progressive ideals.
No we don't you midwit retard. Consumer is a corpo npc anti-human phrase coined by demonic ghouls to lower the leverage customers have. WE make these niggers need US, NOT the other way around. I don't "consume" , countries are not "ecenomic zones", Christ is King.
You seem to think that the outrage farmers are the ones driving the sentiment.
Not the sentiment but they do significantly contribute to the deserved negative perception. But if those guys just didn't exist Gayder and Darrah wouldn't have any ammunition. People would still know the game is shit but EA couldn't blame their audience.
Let people have their indignation.
But this bullshit fury directly affects anyone who wants to cover the game critically but is instantly tarred with that same brush as the screechers. If IGN posts an article that is critical of Failguard EA marketing is going to take that into account when Battlefield rolls around or the next Bioware related thing happens.
thatparkplace
Speaking of retarded faggots and their outrage blogs.
Oh, I was talking to a schizo. My mistake.
It could try making good games
no one here's doing a good job of explaining what"anti-fan" even means, and it's just people who are fans of hating the thing rather than liking the thing. literally all of Anon Babble are fans of hating shit and obsess over the failure of other people and things rather than actually liking a game and playing it.
"tortanic", which by the way, does not actually exist because that game is still ongoing and has been profitable for a really long time, has done irrepairable damage to the minds of an entire generation on this website and it has done nothing but spread to those who came after.
Denounce the talmud.
Still crying faggot?
Not the sentiment but they do significantly contribute to the deserved negative perception.
I don't see the issue there.
People would still know the game is shit but EA couldn't blame their audience.
EA would blame their audience regardless, because corporations will never accept blame for any of the bad things they do.
But yes, the outrage farmers just give voice to the gripes of the dissatisfied customers, they amplify them, which as far as I'm concerned, is the one good thing they accomplish.
Die mad lmao
But this bullshit fury directly affects anyone who wants to cover the game critically but is instantly tarred with that same brush as the screechers.
How are you even distinguishing which complaints are real and which are "screeches?" Anyone complaining has a valid opinion. And no matter who smears them, corporations will always discount valid criticism any way they can. It's not anyone's fault they discard real criticism. They'll do that regardless.
he looks like he likes men
As long as the idea persists that, if pushed hard enough, women will eventually make up 50% or more of certain entertainment genres (not just in games) there will be no moving past this "problem".
There is no such thing as an anti-fan.
Anti-fans exist. All of them work in game development.
implying anyone bought Veilguard
Speaking of retarded faggots and their outrage blogs.
My point was that that article came out in june. 4 months ahead of the game before anybody knew about the retarded identity politic garbage or the god awful writing.
Probably because there's no such thing as an antifan.
It's not for you
But you still have to buy it
Or they’re just fans that think the direction the games have gone are fucked up. But like usually criticism is poison to the toxic positive toddler of the gaming industry.
Bad games deserve to fail. Has nothing to do with tortanic.
it's just people who are fans of hating the thing rather than liking the thing.
That doesn't exist though. That's just you and other leftists making up a fake concept (like extra genders) in order to justify your failures. I wanted Dragon Age Veilgard to fail because the developers and the journalists who work with them are all assholes who vocally and proudly hate me. I'm not a fan of things failing simply for the sake of it. I actually WANT to play video games.
this
developers getting lessons is called 'actions have consequences'. which used to be a big thing on the left until they started feeling consequences.
lmao goy chattel
devs try to lecture consumers
consumers lecture devs in return
working as intended
EA already said that the people who bought it loved it and their mistake was they didn't market it correctly and didn't reach enough players.
EA will say people love cancer if they gave it out
Can you name any examples of a trailer that made a bad game look good?
Yep
Cyberpunk 2077
Syndicate reboot
L.A. Noir
The last Red Faction game
Dead Space 3
Resident Evil Operation Raccoon City
Lords of the Fallen 1 (and 2 honestly)
Dead Island
The list goes on. Consumers get fooled all the time faggot, you probably fell for it once or twice and just choose not to count it.
They know that, this is just a narrative that is being pushed because this shit flopping was especially bad. For months this trash was shilled and every day the fags pushing it got more obnoxious until it finally was revealed to be a failure and that did the worst possible thing. It bruised their egos. So now they have to blame every single fucking thing aside from themselves as to why it failed.
I think a lot of corpos think like this.
They think that a captured audience is always going to be captured, no matter what, because every corporation is run by sociopaths who don't understand actual human beings.
Still not an "anti-fan". Just a typical fake fan. A liar. A cunt. We already have words for these people. We don't need to make up new ones.
wait, where is our guaranteed nerd bux? they were supposed to pay out no matter how shit we made it because it's an RPG!
lol, lmao
By firing these anti-fan assholes and hiring actual fans as developers.
if they werent trying to court the wrong fans in the first place it wouldnt be an issue
That doesn't exist though.
ah yes that's why there are constant threads up about the switch 2 flopping, steam deck flopping, and a bunch of other games flopping where people just gather en masse to laugh at a thing and make fun of other people who like that thing rather than just disregarding it and moving on
because it doesn't exist, you see
disparage your customers for over a decade straight
release shitty games title after title as the wait inbetween grows ridiculous and you start charging more as you proudly exclaim that the newest installment was explicitly made to not appeal to previous fans in the series
man, those anti-fans really want us to fail just because
MUH GUARANTEED SALES
Have they learned? Have they FINALLY learned?
Oh who am I kidding.
make better games
But yes, the outrage farmers just give voice to the gripes of the dissatisfied customers, they amplify them, which as far as I'm concerned, is the one good thing they accomplish.
Objectively every reason is valid for those that share the opinion but subjectively i absolutely think some reasons are dogshit, retarded, clickbait for barely literate children and some reasons are the message that i want EA/Bioware to receive.
Just when it comes to the woke shit. If Zevran in DAO had been non binary and he would mention that in his personal quest, but the rest of the game was the exact same, nobody would bitch and complain that Origins was woke. If all the characters in Failguard were still the same but the overall tone of the game and world and story was as dark and edgy as Origins i don't think people would have a reason to freak the fuck out. What really ruined the game was the combination of woke and marvel/millennial writing and the whole party being little more than a fucking support group where everybody talks about their feelings.
How are you even distinguishing which complaints are real and which are "screeches?"
See above. If the criticism is mostly focused on woke shit i'd call that screeching.
Cyberpunk 2077
True, that probably fooled a lot of people. But for me, if i hadn't followed the marketing coverage and watched the night city wire streams i would have like the game way more. I wouldn't have been as disappointed that all the shit i was looking forward to ended up on the cutting room floor.
I'm not your "fan" buddy
If the criticism is mostly focused on woke shit i'd call that screeching.
Wrong. Nobody wants agendas in their games. And that will ALWAYS be a valid take. My games are MY entertainment. Not YOUR soapbox.
People make fun of shitty products failing. This isn't new.
Exactly. This is why I've always hated the phrase "let people enjoy things". If someone makes a tweet shitting on a game you like, and you feel forced to rewrite your entire opinion on that game, you didn't have an opinion in the first place.
Not YOUR soapbox.
Every piece of media, even journalism, is LITERALLY a soap box for the creator.
Why are you trying to invent an entirely different reality instead of treating the material you're trying to force people to like as it is.
They weren't wrong, in no other media would Bioware not only survive but thrive with Mass Effect and Dragon Age. These are unbelievably shit games AND stories.
Only if they're doing a bad job at being objective.
but subjectively i absolutely think some reasons are dogshit, retarded, clickbait for barely literate children and some reasons are the message that i want EA/Bioware to receive.
See, you're assuming that these companies can be saved and that they just need proper feedback to "get better."
You're wrong.
These companies are way too far gone, the only way to "save" them is to kill them, and if the outrage farmers result in more people hating these shells wearing the corpse of an old beloved company, that's great in my book.
I don't care why people shit on these awful games, only that they DO shit on these games, and harm the bottom line of the human garbage that currently controls them.
those "rpg fans" did buy it, they buy every shitty rpg
it's just that no one else did
Just abolish IP law, or at the very least severely curtail it while scrubbing away the sheer scale of publisher rot that the world has accumulated during this brief period of global IP law enforcement.
How the fuck would that even fix anything? The existence of an anti-fan doesn't come from the idea of ownership but the hatred of the "fan" abolishing IP law would only do two things
One, make the attack personal since it wouldn't be directed at the IP but the creator
Two, it would fuck over every small creator.
If Zevran in DAO had been non binary and he would mention that in his personal quest, but the rest of the game was the exact same, nobody would bitch and complain that Origins was woke.
??? Yes they would?
And why is he throwing a tantrum about them? He clearly doesn't care about marketing to them; and, if anything, it just makes him grumpy.
So... why spend energy on them?
Someone keeps criticizing the game I worked on
OK? Get therapy for your anger issues, I guess.
Every piece of media
No it’s not you deluded ideologue. Good media use political ideas and concepts to enhance the story while propaganda uses story and narrative to push their political shit. You fags try so hard to say everything is political but falter the second idea is actually given push back.
One, make the attack personal since it wouldn't be directed at the IP but the creator
Criticism should be aimed at the human beings responsible for the problem, not at an ethereal concept like a brand
And you can do that with IP laws you fucking idiot. In fact people do that all the time, here the most prominent example would be how people have all of these rumors about Miyamoto especially when it comes to Paper Mario.
Zevran is already the most hated and disliked character in DAO simply for being an annoying faggot, if he did what you're talking about the entire game would've been pilloried and he would've been killed every time by every player, instead of the 70-80% it ended up at.
how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem
wanting games to fail to send developers lessons
All they need to do is to listen to what gamers want. It's really that easy. But they don't want to listen because they hate gamers.
harm the bottom line of the human garbage that currently controls them
And if that approach actually worked on mega corps like EA i would support it but, as i said before, Bioware games don't move the needle for EA. Read the investor report, they barely mention Failguard but bend over backwards because their football game slightly underperformed.
Okay, maybe, the same fucktards that run that google doc of woke games or that screech every time a nigger or woman is on screen. True.
You fags try so hard to say everything is political but falter the second idea is actually given push back.
No, not everything is political but every creator wants to say something with their creation. Some kind of message they want the audience to receive.
do you think he is bottom or a top
but every creator wants to say something with their creation
What do you think soapboxing is?
Christ, has it been over ten years since Gamergate?
Cries out in pain while attacking you.
No? Normal people would read the swill written down in the dialogue and call him a faggot for acting like a faggot like they did for every single game in existence until you neglected-during-childhood freaks started spazzing out over people not liking your comfort characters.
And if that approach actually worked on mega corps like EA
It doesn't matter because the Bioware people liked is long-dead, harming the people who currently occupy it is a net benefit.
Read the investor report, they barely mention Failguard but bend over backwards because their football game slightly underperformed.
The point is that if all of their games outside of their sportsball shit also underperform, they won't be able to weather an underperformance in their sports shit.
So if next quarter both their Fifa AND their Madden shit do poorly, and they have no other games to pick up the slack, that hurts them even more.
Again, these companies are way too far gone, there is no net loss for gamers from outrage farmers shitting on them.
A platform for their message?
Yup, but given they’re still doing the same shit and we’re outed as doing more unethical shit last year they’re keeping it fresh in their minds.
Godless demons are still incapable of publicly denouncing their masters writ, curious.
And what message is that? What message are games like Kirby, Pac-Man, Pong, and Super Mario Bros pushing?
mad because he isn't one of the chosen
goyimseethe
the market at large is so dissatisfied, it thinks we need to learn a lesson
fucking whiers reeee
Eat food, eat pills, play tennis and save bitches obviously.
Kirby
antisemitism
Pac-Man
anticonsumerism
Pong
a cautionary tale on nuclear escalation
Super Mario Bros
you can't trust italians with a simple plumbing job
So if next quarter both their Fifa AND their Madden shit do poorly, and they have no other games to pick up the slack, that hurts them even more.
So you don't want them to make a better game, you just want to see headlines about another EA game flopping and you don't care why. I don't care in the slightest about woke shit, i just want them to completely abandon Failguards tone and return to the Origins/ME2 era of sexy edge.
Kirby
Gluttony.
Pac-Man
Drugs.
Pong
Athleticism.
Super Mario Bros
Vietnam
Brotherhood.
And your argument is that this is a bad thing? Retard, the biggest anti-consumer problem with the gaming industry is that the actual talent behind Western studios is hidden away from sight by publishers and gatekeepers who want any success to be exclusively attributed to the brand names which they control, so they can still sucker consumers into buying the next product after they replace all of the people responsible for making that product with AI and Actually Indians
That's why you had to give a Japanese example
That’s not a message that just the premise/mechanic of the game. Go back to your retarded echo chamber and complain that people don’t eat trash like you there.
So you don't want them to make a better game
I know they're not capable of making a better game.
That's the difference between me and you.
You're in fucking denial, I'm not.
They're 99% of DSP's audience.
I don't care in the slightest about woke shit, i just want them to completely abandon woke shit
the layers of cognitive dissonance you have to maintain every day are something else
I don't care in the slightest about woke shit, i just want them to completely abandon woke shit
But it wasn't the woke shit that ruined Failguard. You can absolutely have niggers, trannies and faggots in a game without it being woke. All depends on how you handle it.
hahaha
is that the actual talent behind Western studios is hidden away from sight by publishers and gatekeepers who want any success to be exclusively attributed to the brand names
Shut the fuck up, we live in the 21st century not the 80s. Anyone can make a game and see success. Undertale is probably one of the biggest success stories of the last 10 years with people eagerly awaiting deltarune chapter 3 and 4 and Toby himself even contributing to major titles like Pokemon.
You're just a nigger who's making excuses for his own lack of drive and talent.
You're the exact basement-dwelling retard EA was talking about in Thank god retards like you are now the minority outside of gacha games.
You're chosen parasite filter that God uses to determine if we truly deserve access to the stars then yes you are.
"vote with your wallet"
"N-NOT L-LIKE THAT!!!"
The Dragon Age games have aggressively devolved over time from being Bioware's answer to not being able to own Baldur's Gate to not having any real redeeming features. Part of the process of video games taking so long to make nowadays is the consistent loss of vision of what makes a lot of games interesting or garners their fanbase by genericizing them and throwing away what has been built up over time. While the opposite was also true in how much Dragon Age 2 was rushed, it's very clear that Dragon Age barely resembles Origins at this point.
What on earth are you talking about? This isn't an East or West thing, it's an anti-fan conversation. It doesn't matter where the example is from.
One Gayder/Darrahs knowledge about the "cave" is roughly 10 years out of date. Laidlaw talked about that shit years ago when he was still streaming on twitch. Two is this nerd audience doesn't exist anymore in any significant size as we've seen with Failguard moving less than a million copies.
Fucking Undertale
Dragon Age: The Failguard was only 7 months ago dipshit. I'm not the guy you started sperging out on but if you abolished IP law you might actually have had an indie Dragon Age written by the kind of people who actually wrote Dragon Age instead of whatever the fuck kind of transvestite fan fiction we actually got
Second is literally what the guy you're replying to is saying.
This guy literally bitch about everything. Remember that time he said EA execs really like Mass Effect games and would make excuses for those games if Dragon Age outperform them? This man would rather they cut support for other games to support HIS game instead and nothing else. Pure selfishness
whole party being little more than a fucking support group where everybody talks about their feelings
When you center women therapy talk is what you will get. It's the same reason you're never ever getting that old style dark and edgy again. Too male-leaning. I honestly don't understand why you're even complaining about this when it's the logical result of sociopolitical beliefs you likely support.
I think a lot of corpos think like this
Yeah, even Nintendo went through a period like that under iwata where their quality went to absolute shit
hmmm what if we go out of our way to piss off a bunch of people for no reason other than culture war advertising?
oh fuck oh shit that tactic doesnt work the huge lefty audience that should be buying our games arent showing up to own the chuds!
oh no we alienated the original loyal fanbase so they wont buy this game or future products either!
literally just make a good game and stop with the culture war shit its that easy
make abomination sequel of a game series
insults fans
wonders why people cheer when game fails
You and the rest of the gentiles will never be anything more than slaves not worthy of his grace.
People wouldn't want a game to fail if the marketing around it wasn't so abrasive.
Yea this game is for the TRUE fans, you filthy chuds need not apply
Dragon Age: The Failguard was only 7 months ago dipshit
Yeah and Deltarune releases in a few days so you can fuck off.
but if you abolished IP law you might actually have had an indie Dragon Age written by the kind of people who actually wrote Dragon Age instead of whatever the fuck kind of transvestite fan fiction we actually got
No, we absolutely wouldn't have had that. No one would bother making it because it would just be a waste of time and money because you have zero protection to recoup your losses. But you know what? If someone wanted to they could make a Dragon "Sage" and do just that right now.
indie Dragon Age written by the kind of people who actually wrote Dragon Age
Those people don't exist anymore. Origins was written by people who have changed so much you can barely call them the same person. They have nothing in common except for the same body and name with that guy that wrote that game.
When you center women therapy talk is what you will get.
Fucking Hamburger Hepler wrote some of the edgiest shit in Origins.
I honestly don't understand why you're even complaining about this when it's the logical result of sociopolitical beliefs you likely support.
Because you can not critically examine Failguard without getting branded as one of those screechers. Same as you can't complain about screechers without being branded a nigger dick sucking tranny, as is evident by the retards in this thread.
But you know what? If someone wanted to they could make a Dragon "Sage" and do just that right now.
It's both funny and sad that no one is willing to actually try and actually create these days
make bad cringey game that shits on the previous installments
people hate bad cringey game and dont buy or engage with it
leftoids really love acting like people owe them something
Stop killing children in palestine.
No
Evil can only be stomached before enough means enough. Woe be you that demonstrate these abominable acts on closest to god.
It's not particularly hard to skim through a longplay of a game before buying.
I'm confused abut this logic, what are you supposed to do against someone that won't buy your product? If the point is that they might convince others to not buy it either then it means they have an argument, so the only possible thing to do here is to adress that argument and fix it, BUT THEN THE "ANTI FAN" WOULDN'T BE THE PROBLEM, not that it matters though, Group A will not buy X game and Group B will buy X game, if you are making a game for Group B don't expect Group A to buy it.
TLDR I'm just confused about this "logic".
It's not always evident from a trailer that a game is shit
It is with Japanese games.
Critically examine what? This is what entertainment maturing and moving beyond a problematic past looks like. They're features not shortcomings.
You are incapable of following a train of thought beyond the very surface you dumb monkey faggot
This "anti-fan" meme is an invention of large publishers used to smear and hand-wave criticism from long term paying customers of a particular series, IP or genre who are unhappy with the direction taken by a recent iteration. ANTI-FANS should actually be called BETRAYED FANS, because that is the literal description of what is going on. Large publishers who own established IPs will, by their own admission, assume that their established base of paying customers are slathering retard "fans" who will gobble up any slop they push out so long as they attach their IP to it, and so believe that they can completely abandon their core audience to chase some irrelevant niche market of loud Twitter people who don't play videogames. This is what this entire topic is about
What this has to do with large Western publishers and IP law is that these publishers own the IPs that they believe they can lazily milk, and by design in the West specifically they will go out of their way to hide the actual creative people away from public light so that all fame and attention can be attributed to the IP they own and control. This is why you as a Western journofag trying to shill your own irrelevant article can still name far more individual game directors and developers from Japan than you can from the West. It's because people with creative vision are hidden from sight over here, on purpose, to retain the strength of the brand even after the creatives responsible have left the company. This is what allows "Blizzard" to continue to be milked as if anybody relevant even works for "Blizzard" any more in 2025. This is what creates lazy sequels to beloved franchises made by people who have nothing to do with the original games. This is what creates BETRAYED FANS and so this is what the thread is about.
To kill a gentile is to kill an animal. They have no soul.
/thread.
The op is just another gaslight bullshit pilpul.
The only anti-fan I've ever seen IRL or online are the Nintendo "Anti-fans" who seem to exist to bitch about zelda, donkey kong, or nintendo itself, and I wouldnt be surprised if every one of them was just secretly an ootsnoy, rarefag, or snoyboi.
Dragon age literally said they would survive on the troon population, and when only troons bought the game, suddenly theres a problem.
By completely purging them from their studios.
If you cater to gamers at the expense of antis, your game will sell, because they actually want to play videogames that appeal to them.
If you cater to antis at the expense of gamers, your game won't sell, because they don't actually like videogames.
Given that the games aren't selling, which group do you think is complaining and which group do you think is being catered to?
The woke billionaire capitalists who all spent billions pushing DEI are now all suddenly anti-DEI!
no, nobody in key leadership positions was fired for this and there were no real consequences or punishment for demonizing whites, but believe us goy, we need your money!
Not falling for it again Shekelstein
No, we absolutely wouldn't have had that. No one would bother making it because it would just be a waste of time and money because you have zero protection to recoup your losses
You're right anon, nobody should ever consider making an indie RPG, that would never work
You massive retard
From reading threads on Anon Babble where people want games to fail, there actually are things that are outside of the developer's control. People will exaggerate problems or make misleading claims to make something look like a problem when it actually isn't. Beyond that, outright lying also happens. If I were ignorant enough to think the claims in OP's article were actually about things like this, then I would agree that the internet and Anon Babble has an anti-fan problem. Of course I don't actually think that is the case and this is much more likely about developers trying to play innocent after antagonizing their customer base thinking nothing bad would happen.
You are incapable of following a train of thought beyond the very surface you dumb monkey faggot
You went on a tangent about East v West in a conversation about "anti-fans" after your initial tangent about IP law which was wholly irrelevant and you're saying someone else is incapable of following a train of thought?
Have some self awareness. None of your posts connect to each other in a rational way, it's just nonsense screeching.
This "anti-fan" meme is an invention of large publishers used to smear and hand-wave criticism
It's not, you have been on Anon Babble right? The place where a discord frequently raids this board because they have a scathing and irrational hatred of Nintendo correct?
Anti-fans aren't a recent creation, they've always existed for one reason or another, mostly jealousy. That said, in the case of dragon age they don't have any. There's no one willing to dedicate a chunk of their life to shitting on a bad western game, you only tend to get them with developers who make good games.
What this has to do with large Western publishers and IP law is that these publishers own the IPs that they believe they can lazily milk, and by design in the West specifically they will go out of their way to hide the actual creative people away from public light so that all fame and attention can be attributed to the IP they own and control
This has absolutely nothing to do with anything and makes no sense whatsoever. People aren't forced to stay at a company so there's no "hiding" and having IP laws doesn't mean you can just milk something over and over, the proof of that being the failure of these games.
BETRAYED FANS
That's not what an anti-fan is, "betrayed fans" don't concern themselves with the IP after the fact. We just drop it and find something else.
It wouldn't have mattered anyway since nobody, absolutely nobody, likes Jacob.
Do literally nothing.
The game still flops.
Sounds like the game failed on its own merits or lack thereof, not because of these mythical anti-fans. Regardless, I will continue to do as I have always done: nothing.
Thank you for proving my point. With IP law around E33 was made and was successful.
Now what do you think would have happened in a world where they didn't have the protection of IP Law?
Who in this conversation is talking about a discord of 12 jeets who shitpost on Anon Babble because it sure as shit isn't David Gayder, the writer from the OP who is running defence for his former studio which just shat out an abortion of a game masquerading as a beloved franchise which was decisively rejected by long term paying customers because it failed to deliver what they expect from the established IP they were attempting to sneak it out under. Like a mentally ill man in a dress hiding their angry letters to their father in a trojan horse with "Dragon Age" written on the side of it
He's a shill and will not ever acknowledge any of your points, no matter how well constructed, stop wasting your time with his disingenuous faggot ass.
You actual mongoloid.
Why on earth would you bring up another successful "indie" game in response to someone saying that original indie games can exist? The whole point the conversation is that if indie devs didn't have any kind of protection they just wouldn't bother. It's absolutely necessary in the age of the Internet.
Pay attention instead of going for your shitty gotchas if you don't want them to get thrown back in your face.
I don't want games to fail, I want people who cause games to be rushed out to get banished from the industry.
I'm not an anti-fan, i just hate woke "modern audience" slop and enjoy watching it flop.
He acknowledged your points like 10 minutes ago and you kept on going on about shit no one said.
Who in this conversation is talking about a discord of 12 jeets who shitpost on Anon Babble
What exactly do you think this conversation is about? Because it seems like you don't know what the topic actually is between hopping between your East v West, tranny and IP law arguments.
Which have nothing to do with anything here.
It's like you can't articulate your own thoughts and they're just a jumbled mess in your head.
We used to call them "haters" not anti-fans.
talking about IP law on the board that thinks that patents protecting unique game designs stops innovation and creates an industry of [game]-like slop
just fucking stop, this board is mostly zoomers now and they literally cant read, 48% are functionally illiterate.
Dunno why this happened. This would just prove that amazon has become a temu warehouse.
EA revealed Battlefield V last month with cover art and a trailer that celebrated the women who fought in World War II. The move prompted a subset of fans to condemn the game as historically inaccurate, and now EA's chief creative officer has rejected that response.
"Either accept it," Patrick Soderlund says, "or don't buy the game."
Soderlund told Gamasutra that the development team had pushed to include women in the new Battlefield, and that the decision reflected the game's focus on the untold stories of World War II.
"These are people who are uneducated," he said of complaining fans. "They don't understand that this is a plausible scenario, and listen: this is a game. Today gaming is gender-diverse, like it hasn't been before. There are a lot of female people who want to play, and male players who want to play as a badass [woman]."
Soderlund says that his 13-year-old daughter, who plays as a female character in Fortnite, couldn't understand the response to the Battlefield 5 reveal trailer.
"And I'm like, 'ok, as a parent, how the hell am I gonna respond to this', and I just said, 'You know what? You're right. This is not ok'.
"And we don't take any flak. We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don't understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don't buy the game. I'm fine with either or. It's just not ok."
extremetech.com
pcgamesn.com
youtube.com
youtube.com
Support the PEOPLE who make good stuff
Don't support giant publishers just because they own the brands their stuff was once sold under
If publishers ruin a franchise you loved by spitting in your face to chase after transvestites who don't buy games, make sure they get no money from you or anybody who feels the same way you do
anti-fan
That's a modern game developer.
I think that's me :D
game flops
maybe your fanbase didn't wanted purple or red, maybe they wanted yellow again, ever thought about that?
keep trying ever color but yellow
its a flop right after another
refuse to make yellow even after your fans tell you to your face that they want yellow
compromise
make orange
flop again, studio closes and the ip yellow dies
act surprised and blame fans
They are fundamentally in an antagonistic relationship with their audience and it will not change till all publicly traded game companies die. Their goal is to make the game shitty in order to extract maximum funds and this can never truly coexist with the desire to make a great and satisfying product for the consumer.
Even better
Create green with all your favorite characters from yellow
Green characters do nothing but shit on yellow ones
That's the dumbest idea possible, consumers are stupid and dont know what they want. They will, without fail ask for what you already gave them but a significant portion of the audience will already be bored of what you gave them.
The answer is always, they should make games they themselves would like to play, fuck the audience and fuck the imaginary people they invent as target audiences.
Remember in the 90s when mobs of Bible thumpers would complain about violence, tits, and edgy jokes in media? Remember when woke mobs complained about Marvel Rivals? Remember when woke mobs complained about Hogwarts Legacy? Remember how these things did gangbusters anyways? What's the difference?
If you stop viewing groups of people as interchangeable like a clueless MBA (or a dishonest activist who's happy to discard reason when it's inconvenient to his narrative), it's not hard to explain. If non-customers or an extreme fringe are complaining about things that the average customer likes, that just lets the customers know that something fun might be happening and they should check it out. If customers are complaining, that's a signal that they're about to leave. You should mock the former, but you need to listen to the latter, and if you can't distinguish between the two, you shouldn't be in charge.
There isn't. We are on the 4th now. Get with the times, ovendodger.
I'm buying a game, not buying a house. There's unreasonable amounts of effort involved in the former. If you're going to watch a longplay, you might as well not even buy the game.
Big FE fan, there's DLC for Awakening and it has them fighting a ton of old characters and it has the shitty Awakening cast "owning" all the old characters with zingers and one liners. I just seethe when I think of it, so I thought I'd let you know.
you are a piece of shit, we don't want you here
ok
now buy our game
no
ANTI FANS ARE A PROBLEM
Have this ever worked though?
Why wouldn't I want games I don't like to fail?
Where does this idea that consumers have to be happy for every success come from? If I don't like something I want it to fail so fewer things follow it's trends and stylings thereafter.
There is, but they're not something anyone should care about.
Negative polarization can work, but not I haven't seen ever work in media.
Halo 4 does this to when the new sergaeant spartan 4 lady meets the chief.
No salute, no thank you for saving us just
"I thought you'd be taller"
BITCH SHUT YOUR CUNT MOUTH.
Then she was a non entity in 5 and killed offscreen later.
There. I am an anti-fan. As in, the term "fan" is a loaded one by corporate marketing. They love the idea of someone being equally, or more, emotionally attached to a corporate product or brand than they are to their family.
Beckons back to the corporate TED talk of making brands into religions and "fans" into worshipers.
Everyone who was a "fan" of anything is either retarded or hasn't lived long enough to get educated about the inevitable transfer of power and IP to an inevitably shit pair of hands.
Fandom as a concept is fucking retarded and emotionally stunted, worse yet financially irresponsible. Gif related, he should have taught any Christfag, with even remotely one working brain cell, why temples as a concept are garbage and why grasping for labels and deriving pride from them is sin on byproduct accounts.
Where does this idea that consumers have to be happy for every success come from?
from the same place that says more people getting into your hobby/game is a good thing for you - marketing departments at large corporations. you'd be shocked how many baseline gamer/consumer opinions have zero actual value to gamers or consumers. when people hear false statements often enough they start to repeat them.
Homo Jacob would make the cheating reveal in 3 five times funnier
Why do these assholes think they are entitled to my money?
more people getting into your hobby
your hobby is VIDEOGAMES
There is nobody who is not currently into videogames who I would like to get into videogames
devs: you are a piece of shit, we don't want you here
gamers: ok
game fails
gamers: LMFAO
devs: NOOO THIS IS BULLYING AND HARASSMENT THIS NEEDS TO BE ILLEGAL
Ten?
Thinking and whining are two different things, retard.
The industry is in such state that seeing games fail is way more fun than playing them. I don't have to do anything and it's free.
11 actually
Fpbp
correct but the hobby doesn't matter. more people is never beneficial to you. if a game requires 5 people to play then you need 4 other people - not 4 million. we used to call these niches in the before-times when marketing departments hadn't yet forced normalfags out of their sportsball grazing pastures.
I just want compelling stories, even if they're half-baked execution.
sick of these games without anything remotely intriguing or nuanced at all.
I don't care what he has to say specifically because he looks like this and his name name contains the syllable "gay"
A shame every writing and art department is full of communists
Hard to do that when you gotta clear a checklist before you can get any funding.
by just ignoring them.
the people he refers to exist, but they don't play video games anyway. their hobby isn't vidya but disliking and shitposting about things.
they are completely irrelevant.
Fags like him are surrounded by actual trannies and loser armchair psychologist feminists constantly kicking each other's assholes. He thinks if you're not on board with that you're an anti fan. Without considering that there was a time where he wasn't surrounded by feminists and trannies
America doesn't have any actual Communists, America doesn't know what the word Communist means any more after 98 years of state propaganda designed to drive military recruitment and excuse overseas expansion and interference
They're liberals.
implying that's not what they've been doing all this time
Their "target audience" is not buying their shit either so what's the real issue then?
their target audience is like 50 extremely loud permanently online sexually confused students in California who don't play videogames because they never stop posting on social media
Gaming can't until the internet at large discards the engagement based trending algorithms that reward whiners and their shitface crybully viewers and spam bot chink-jeets who flood every comment section and pump their stupid fucking opinions up to the top of the stack.
The internet needs a return to closed community forums moderated by real people who need to prune out the retards and the scum to keep them from being able to access the room temperature iq masses who uncritically back their stupid fucking ideas and spam them relentlessly everywhere else.
Their "target audience" is not buying their shit either so what's the real issue then?
Don't target an audience that isn't interested in your product? It's like if a Horse Feed supplier got upset that people aren't buying Horse Feed instead of hamburgers
can't believe i read this fucking garbage
The internet needs a return to
AI will make internet unusable once hardware and tech is good enough to be easily accessible. So maybe what you say will happen in a way.
NO ONE wants dragons this badly.
You have 0 understanding of American history if you don't think it has communists. Hippies, BLM, Black Panthers, most homosexuals etc are communists. You can get communist degrees in the highest level colleges in the US. There's entire fields of study founded by communists in the US. Most Democrats use communism for political gain.
Tired of europoors thinking the US doesn't have a left. The left largely controls the US and they are globalists
I think we're going to have a weird little era of online mcarthyism where people are going to be compelled into proving their personhood in order to access communities
compelled into proving their personhood in order to access communities
Already happens all the time. YOU MUST POST YOUR ARM WITH TIMESTAMP AND CUSTOM SENTENCE TO JOIN OUR DISCORD
especially prevalent with minority groups
McCarthy was proven right by declassified KGB documents, BTW.
nah, thats cringe. Fans usually do know what they want.
fans ask for new turn based X-Com
they make one
it's great, and a huge success
get on mic and webcam and take the turing test while walking around moving objects around in your room, in order to post on our bbc spam posting community
christ the internet is so gay
Not buying a game has nothing to do with its success
Chuds are so dumb
this game has really bad writing and is nothing like the original
also the new gameplay isn't even good it's horrendous
I will have to leave a bad review because the game is bad in my opinion
ANTI-FAN
CHUD
YOU JUST WANT THE GAME TO FAIL
They're not worth the turds I'd shit on them.
wanting games to fail to send developers lessons
I want shitty games to fail. In other words, stop making games for the modern audience.
Not for le hecking chuds
But the MODERN AUDIENCE doesnt buy it either
So who is it for
Their own self-righteousness.
Make games that dont have a bunch of hideous fat they/thems
Ackshually the anti-fans are the people directing and payrolling the modern franchises.
if anything devs should be more anti-fan, since taking cues from cancerous fanbases is what got us here in the first place
David Gaydar factually hasn't worked on anything worth time or money since 2009.
Thanks for providing me right
Skim nigger. I can easily jump to a couple of points to see if the gameplay jives with me, I don't need to allocate a whole four hours.
Fuck you nigger
Fuck right off with your assumption you can absorb the perfect amount about a game every single time to make a "purchase you never regret." Take your hypothetical nonsense and cram it straight up your loose rectum. People DO buy games sometimes they don't like.
NO, it isn't their fault.
NO... they shouldn't have to research it like it's their college thesis.
YES, they are validated in criticizing the game that ended up disappointing them in any of a myriad of ways.
Enough. Just accept the basic premise on offer here and stop weaseling. You are just making excuses for developers now.
I've only ever been fooled once in my entire life, and that was Lords of the Fallen 2.
they mostly fixed the game later though, like reality itself was sewing up the fault in my ability.
women don't really care, if your funny and you slam dick into them well, and you have your life together, you can be bald as fuck, it won't matter, no one will give a shit, especially her.
you just have to shave it down to stubble like Jason Statham.
YES, they are validated in criticizing the game that ended up disappointing them in any of a myriad of ways.
I never disputed this, but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't perform due diligence when making a purchase, like you would with literally any other good or service. If you can't tell you won't like a game with hours of footage available on the web, as well as a two hour refund window, you're culpable in your own conundrum at that point.
Fine, yes, players can make some effort to prevent regret, but I'm not interested in that argument. I wasn't contesting that.
kono chikara... suge da....
realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem
by making good games. simple as that.
There is they just don't actually matter. You can't anti-buy shit no matter what lies thry tell about piracy, you hating Fagboy's Big Gayventure doesn't take money away or prevent some Fagboy fan from buying a copy, the most that can be done is convincing a few fence sitters to not buy which is more of a failure on their part for not doing enough to capture them if they really wanted them.
I personally did not buy 1 bajillion copies of DA:gayguard. I personally cost them bajillions of dollars in lost revenue.
What the fuck is there to fix? People will always complain, just move on. Massive numbers of troons losing their shit over Hogwarts Legacy and Stellar Blade and they still sold big.
he's a fat and ugly gay jew, way past any sort of prime.
a big secret about gays, their are the old money gays, and the young twink gays, and Gaider isn't either, so he's shit out of luck
Massive numbers of troons losing their shit over Hogwarts Legacy and Stellar Blade and they still sold big
This isn't what the OP is about
Read some fucking context
well, every last person that was there for Baldur's Gate and DA0 no longer exists at Bioware, so its like the entire point is lost, no one is even around to remember the impetus.
Gaider hardly counts, he's a fat gay retard.
first post best post
there are disappointed fans and angry fans but not anti-fans. People speaking negatively about these games want them to return to form. Return the quality and design they expect from the product.
why aren't you a fanatic,
Hepler is honestly a great writer compared to modern Woke progressive writers.
we all gave her alot of shit, but she is leagues above whatever the fuck we are dealing with now, she at least had some raunchy sex and violence and straight up body horror gore shit.
By games good again
Why are "anti-fans" a problem? They just won't buy the game.
Grow a thicker skin and make better games
This. It's just a cope. I just like to laugh at bad games. It's nothing personal.
To them it's like piracy. They deserve your money and you are "taking" it from them and you're telling other people facts about the game that they don't want people to know until their playtime exceeds the refund period.
To them it's like piracy. They deserve your money and you are "taking" it from them
Someone post the article calling it "economic terrorism", I can't find it
make games for a niche you know will like it and that actually exists instead of trying and failing to make them for everyone
yep, when you make games for everyone then you're making games for no one.
Easy.
Kill every 4tranner.
It's insane, I don't think there's any other cultural area of entertainment where producers, critics, journalists, consultants, etc., are complete morons who have no knowledge of the media, while the average consumer, who is usually retarded, demonstrates more knowledge and understanding of what should and shouldn't be done.
Anti fans are definitely a thing, just look at the amount of people here with a irrational hateboner for Nintendo.
here are your anti-fans xister
Nah, they just dislike what Nintendo has become. That isn't an anti-fan, that is an angry fan.
anti-fan problem
look at us - we da blac bloc now
LOL
they just dislike what Nintendo has become
No, no they don't. They just hate Nintendo.
You have to remember that they've acted the same for two very different periods and dedicate their time, money and life just to shitting on them.
A disgruntled fan would have just stopped caring and not bought their products, these people are literal fanatics.
they just dislike what Nintendo has become
If they disliked what Nintendo became, which is just returning to what they were pre iwata cancer, then they wouldn't be going on a near 10 tirade. That's beyond the realms of being disgruntled.
That's literally being a fanatic about hating Nintendo, an anti-fan.
That's what most antis are. This thread is retarded btw because antis absolutely are a thing, on 5ch you'll have as many anti-generals as you'd have generals for any given topic. Most antis are former fans who were turned off by changes to the thing they love.
near 10 tirade
10 year*
irrational hateboner for Nintendo.
I don't think it's irrational at this point
Before I'm accusing of being a "snoy", all three of the console companies suck in different ways (and some of the same ones) and PC gaming has its own issues
That isn't an anti-fan, that is an angry fan.
No one is saying that a fan can't be critical or angry, it's to be expected when you become a fan of something after all but that's not what an anti-fan is. An anti-fan is specifically someone who obsessed over something with an extreme fervor and only wants to see it fail and die.
Using Nintendo as an example a normal fan of one of their games would air a criticism like say when their players were angry about NSO's initial game rotation plan. They didn't hate indiscriminatly or for no reason, nor did they act like the company was the worst in the industry.
The anti-Nintendo fans on the other hand do, they'll use any and all changes for better or for worse as an argument to say that they're the worst and even go so far as to lie about games and products in order to turn people off of them. Good examples of that would be that one anon who calls Botw cinematic or the one who says every game on switch 2 is a game key.
Anti-fans attack with the same fervor as someone with an undying love.
That said in the case of dragon age they just don't exist, no one cares enough about the franchise to obsess over it like that.
Before I'm accusing of being a "snoy"
You don't get called a snoy for airing grievances, you only get called a snoy if anti-Nintendofags are around calling people one at random. That's the point that's being made here.
realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem, and come out on the other side stronger?
Make games for fans and not investors? That's literally the only solution. Realistic though? There isn't an answer. The only answer is big corporate games will continue to experience loss after loss until the industry crashes and people rebuild as independent studios. Then we'll entire another golden-age for a while, things will centralize again, go corporate and so-on. We are looping through the same cycle over and over. We're just at the end of this cycle. Things will get a lot worse before they get better.
An anti-fan is specifically someone who obsessed over something with an extreme fervor and only wants to see it fail and die.
Eh, it can get annoying, but they just cancel out all equially irrational hyper fans
why did sony drop all that money to buy bungie?
hardly any of the original devs are there
the original company culture that made the games that made them well known is dead
B R A N D S
normies fall for brands all the fucking time, game devs/corpo rats know what they are doing. They are making a conscious and malicious attempt to trick normies into buying terrible games.
an antifan is just a normie who is upset their BRAND has betrayed their expectations.
Why not just call it a hater?
but they just cancel out all equially irrational hyper fans
They really don't. The problem is that a fan will actually just talk about what they like casually while enjoying what they enjoy. An anti-fan's enjoyment is focused entirely on destroying the thing they don't like.
In other words, one will have a thread open while playing a game, occasionally glancing and posting while the other focuses entirely on the thread.
That said in the case of dragon age they just don't exist, no one cares enough about the franchise to obsess over it like that.
That's just wrong. I would have preferred the dragon age series was good. I was already critical of DA 2 and didn't have much hope for bioware after the EA acquisition. Bioware just confirmed my fears a decade ago that the are just a husk paraded around for brand recognition and being unable to make good games. I just want it to die to stop EA from further desecrating its corpse like it's done for so many other studios.
That just makes you a normal fan. You like the series but have your criticisms and issues with what it is now. You're not an anti-fan for that. If you posted every day since it was announced going
IT'S SHIT, IT'S GOING TO BE SHIT FUCK MAN DON'T DEFEND IT AAHHHHH
then you're an anti-fan.
Why not just call it a hater?
freddy slippy, they KNOW they're making shit the core fans wouldn't like
/thread
If you posted every day since it was announced going
IT'S SHIT, IT'S GOING TO BE SHIT FUCK MAN DON'T DEFEND IT AAHHHHH
I have done that for the past decade because I know bioware just can't deliver though.
anti-fans are when people are mean to a company I like
I think you don't understand anger.
I despise Sega. I would happily lock them all inside their offices and burn them all alive and piss on the wreckage (in minecraft). But that hate stems from love, I used to love Sega. Back in the 90s they were amazing, and after the Dreamcast they've gotten worse and worse year on year. I dislike Bamco too for similar reasons, but they're still occasionally putting out stuff that isn't awful. Sega is well past the point of no return, there is nothing they could possibly do to satisfy me aside from crumbling to ash.
BotW is dogshit and deserves to be shitposted, and every game on Switch 2 that isn't first party is going to be a game key unless there's significant backlash over it.
I doubt that because you aren't taking the opportunity to do it now. That's what an anti fan would do.
woke right
they just come out and start using woke as a pejorative
we'll im glad they admitted defeat
puts his faggot oc's in the game plus dragon age just turned into who wants to fuck you it had zero good story
This isn't a thread about a new dragon age game. Veilguard already flopped and nobody is defending it, I don't see a reason to further beat that dead horse.
an anti-fan is an angry fan
stop angering your fans then?
The number of extremely dedicated schizos that devote large portions of their life shifting on certain games here suggests otherwise. Of course the OP image is cope but they do exist.
Anon, he LITERALLY said that an anti-fan isn't an angry fan are you illiterate?
But that hate stems from love, I used to love Sega
”Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned…”
ya, but he is wrong
stop making terrible games
That's what an anti fan would do.
Anti-fans aren't real, they're a boogeyman. Games aren't failing because disgruntled fans are upset, they're failing because they aren't resonating at all with their intended audience. Veilguard didn't fail because it got shitposted, it failed because nobody cared about it. The best thing is to have people talking about your game, even if it's negative. The worst thing is to have nobody care about your game enough to even complain about it, and that's what the problem was with all of these recent flops. It's not like leftist trannies were talking about how excited they were about playing as the newest transbian with vitiligo. They didn't care, nobody cared. All of the big blowback came after launch when the games sold zero copies.
stop inserting leftoid garbage in your games and pandering to faggots who don't play games and we wouldn't need to be "anti-fans"
i won't shit on your game if it's simply something i don't like, i will shit on your game relentlessly if it's propaganda
producing games worth playing would be a start but i think its cheaper to just pay off ai journalists to brainwash people into liking shit (it doesnt work)
and it's just people who are fans of hating the thing rather than liking the thing.
Who were originally referred to as, 'haters'.
antifans
these people are actually disappointed fans who wish you'd stop trying to chase a new demogrpahic and instead cater to your actual aduience
Try and start a Conquest thread
The same schizo that's been at it for nearly three years now, like clockwork, comes in and spews the same shitty bait
At least it's a free confidence booster; (You) will never be as pathetic as the dedicated NEETs or Onirism devs who 100% have a man on the inside, as he's had a general here for fucking years now on a dead game with 5 average players.
The problem is that a fan will actually just talk about what they like casually while enjoying what they enjoy.
In my experience, this isn't how it plays out. The super fans I refer to will scream at any criticism and defend a game at all costs, and make it basically impossible to level mild criticism, even in an overall positive context, without getting shouted at by mindless sycophants.
But that hate stems from love, I used to love Sega.
This is another thing that gives away anti-fans, they claim it's from a place of love but can't actually articulate what they loved and how it turned they keep it as vague as possible to try and earn validity.
In any case your hatred of Sega goes beyond the realm of an angry fan or someone who's "mean", like I said before it's completely and utterly irrational as much as you dislike Sega's output they didn't exactly hurt you on a personal level and certainly not enough to warrant "locking them all inside their offices and burning them all alive and pissing on the wreckage".
And of course and example of a blatant lie
and every game on Switch 2 that isn't first party is going to be a game key unless there's significant backlash over it.
There are several games third party games that aren't keys like Cyberpunk and Daemon X Machina 2.
Absolutely fucking based.
So how do "anti-fans" work? By simply noy buying the game?
Okay anon you need to calm down here for a minute and pay attention.
No one said Veilguard failed because of shitposting, no one said shitposting had any kind of effect. What's being said is that anti-fans who obsess over hating a subject in the same way a normal fan would love it do in fact exist.
crying for mods and policing of opinions on Anon Babble
peak redditnigger, you have 99% of the internet doing exactly that why dont you fuck off to one of those echo chambers instead? I take 10 crybabies over you cocksuckers any time of the day
Let me guess: you're too new to remember when we had public executions here, and you think that Anon Babble was always a cesspit of dogshit posts with zero moderation?
Way to out yourself, little brownoid.
And then when they flop it's our fault too.
jew is whining for more censorship
classic
cope soiboi
TRYTH NVKE
That's just a regular fan. Just because you like something doesn't mean you have to see all of it as good. I'm a sonic fan for instance but I didn't buy Superstars because I didn't like the bosses or special stage.
An anti-fan would go across the net, promote piracy to people who want to buy the game hoping it fails, shit on the company and call for their brutal death, claim that anyone talking about it positively even if it's a fact that doesn't paint them as absolutely evil is defending them and general nonsense like that. Maybe they'll make the occasional infographic and shitposting image.
It just makes your and gaider's point moronic. You are essentially becoming an antifan for antifans, you are just angry that they exist. Guess I need to remind people not only that the internet is a big place but just still a very small venue in life.
Pic somewhat related.
Nah that's a hater.
Eh I would say a hater is lower on the spectrum. They do it more to rile people up while anti-fans are obsessive.
Cyberpunk
CDPR is one of the few companies with a vested interest in physical media, given GOG. They're an outlier, the vast majority of third parties are going to be using game keys because it's a significant production cost saving.
DXM
Still too early to call.
they claim it's from a place of love but can't actually articulate what they loved
You need an explanation for why someone might've loved 90s Sega? They released hit after hit, dude.
they didn't exactly hurt you on a personal level
They did. Like I said, they all 100% deserve to die painfully for being a part of a company that garbage and evil.
He didn't. You're confusing a movie line with reality.
You are essentially becoming an antifan for antifans
Which would just make me a regular fan of... Something. Definitely not Dragon Age because I've never touched the series in my life but I digress, you're clearly trying to pull a "no u" of some kind but let me ask you, do you think that I'll ever have this conversation again?
Do you think I'm going to obsess over the idea of anti-fans existing?
Pic somewhat related.
No, no it isn't. That's a completely different matter.
we need to ban everyone who says anything bad about corporations
Fucking kek troons really are malding at every single one of their games flopping that they now want to force people into buying them with some mkultra tier ad campaign that's internet wide
It won't work, people aren't going to buy what they don't want.
do you think that I'll ever have this conversation again?
Fucked if I know. How long have you been in this thread?
From my point of view, you just don't understand the concept of fandom and why a fan would turn bitter from being repeatedly disappointed by something they used to enjoy.
nooo we need MORE moderation!
You need to go home, lil homo.
Still too early to call.
Marvelous confirmed that the day it was announced along with Rune Factory and Story of Seasons. It's not "too early" by any stretch of the imagination.
You need an explanation for why someone might've loved 90s Sega? They released hit after hit, dude.
Which is a very vague statement and somewhat wrong considering the Sega CD, 32x and Saturn which had little to no first party games worth playing.
They did
They didn't, they don't know you exist and didn't personally target you. That's what makes it an irrational hatred.
we need more Jannies
We need more bridges so the subhuman problem solved itself
just abolish IP law
When will you retards finally understand that the result of that would be that ONLY AAA games exist. Indies would simply cease to be because any promising title would just be stolen by EA and sold by them with their massive reach and marketing, after butchering it of course.
i believe in freedom of expression and everything that makes a kike like you uncomfortable which include whining on all of your controlle platforms so you shit out more embarassing ai generated articles about how you need to form resistance groups with redditniggers so i can laugh and shit in your throat for being an impotant kike nigger
the anti-fans are the ones making the games now
How long have you been in this thread?
About my first post to you. Which was this I should also add that my focus is split between this and my MG RX-93 so I'm not exactly putting as much effort into this as you are.
you just don't understand the concept of fandom and why a fan would turn bitter from being repeatedly disappointed by something they used to enjoy.
Do you know why? Because no fan would waste their time after the first disappointment.
I myself am a huge MH fan, I was disappointed by World and just didn't buy Wilds because it just looked like more World. Same with Dragonball GT, I know it's bad but I don't care or talk about it unless it's relevant somehow like when Goku went SS4 in Daima.
What I don't do is bother to call death to capcom or Toei and tell people to not buy the game or watch the anime because it's bad. I just left it and didn't concern myself with it like most fans would.
Being bitter about it and obsessing to the point where you're causing psychological pain to yourself isn't normal for anyone let alone someone who's a fan of something. If anything I'd say it's more a reverse FOMO deal where you just completely forget that the parts you did like to move on to the next thing to hate.
Get rid of the people who hate and are against the fans (i.e. the anti-fans) in the industry. Next question.
No idea what you nigs are arguing about but you say that as if EA would make automatic best sellers out of any good IP which is a pretty laughable notion.
Without IP law they wouldn't have to change anything about the game, they could just sell it and claim they created it.
the Sega CD, 32x and Saturn
You do know Sega were primarily an arcade company, right?
didn't personally target you.
They did, by actively making garbage. If they were making things I just wasn't interested in, then sure, they aren't targeting anyone, they'd just be crummy devs. I don't like anything Nintendo makes anymore, but I don't hate them. They're trying to make things, they're just not good at it. Sega is actively trying to produce dogshit.
He means people that didn't buy the game because they didn't think it looked good?
Just abolish IP law, or at the very least severely curtail it while scrubbing away the sheer scale of publisher rot that the world has accumulated during this brief period of global IP law enforcement.
Shalom (or Ni Hao you’re Chinese)
Reminder that there is nothing morally wrong with using piracy to try before you buy. ALWAYS recommend that people pirate a game before buying it. Shitty developers and companies would disappear overnight if everyone had a chance to actually try out games to their full extent and decide what that game was worth before buying them. These rats are only scared of "anti-fans" because they know that their only worth is social, and any bad words about their games can't be refuted by the content of their games. They don't make good games that people want to buy. They just create social buzz to enforce FOMO, use the rotting skins of old IPs to trick old fans into desperately hoping for content similar to their favorites, play the game of psychological manipulation to keep people "engaged" (read: not actually having fun, just manipulated into playing via anger, sunk cost, nostalgia, etc.), and buy off/sleep with journalists (never forget that this is what GamerGate was actually about) in order to make sure that most information you can "research" about a game is exactly what they want you to see and none of the flaws they don't.
I always recommend that people pirate games I enjoy, because I know that the games are good enough that people will willingly support the developers. Hell, even if they don't, they'll recommend it to others and generate more sales just like that buried piracy study from the EU showed. Plus, Patreon and Kickstarter prove it: if you make something that people actually want, you will make money. End of story.
based
The industry needs anti-fans. There's too much toxic positivity and there are too many incompetent or outright hostile developers with thick egos and thin skins who will do anything they can to dismiss valid criticism.
Guy warns that consumers wont buy something they don't want, and instead instead wants developers to actually make something they'd want to buy
Total anti-fan death
You do know Sega were primarily an arcade company, right?
Many of which were either exclusive to Japan, a place you most likely haven't been to, or were ported to console.
Also that says nothing about the quality of the games or the frequency. Like I said you're being as vague as possible as if you never liked them in the first place.
They did
They didn't, they don't know you exist and didn't personally target you. That's what makes it an irrational hatred.
To top it off it was before we social media took off, at most we had fringe forums and BBS which developers and publishers never concerned themselves with so there was no way to communicate with them like we can now for them to say that they were shifting to skittish audience.
Hell it took them years to adopt Facebook, Twitter and YouTube as a platform in the 2000s.
In other words, you're being foolish.
Fucking this, they're the ones against the fanbase and what the franchise represents.
No, anti-fans are the reason developers go in the complete opposite direction along with LGBT.
Between the both of them you have a community that's trying to pull as many things in corrupting them into appealing to them and a community so vile and hate filled that they're pushing them right into the manipulative hands of the other.
pic related
Doesn't matter if it would be a best seller, the original devs sales would be 0.
there is, it's one of the reasons why halo is so shit now, there are people part of 343 industries that publicly admitted that were never a fan of halo and despised the franchise
can't believe this nigga wrote dragon age origin : darkspawn literally rapes victims and mc impregnate morrigan
Well, the examples you chose kinda gives away why you don't understand. For one, you are pointing out a somewhat recent example with MHwilds and the fact that you mention world/wilds and GT but not MHrise or DBsuper tell me you are not on a streak of disappointment. Second, neither capcom or toei have ever been dismissive or outright openly hostile to fan criticism.
I also didn't buy wilds and think capcom is in a shit position at the moment yet they haven't earned the same ire I have for bioware.
We stopped getting demos because of piracy you idiot
anti fans are the real fans that are mad that their favorite game series got turned into virtue signaling propaganda
Dead Space 3
cope. even trailer was bad
No, anti-fans are the reason developers go in the complete opposite direction along with LGBT.
So they're spiteful faggots, essentially?
In almost all cases, they actively rejected the fans before the fans before the fans rejected them. Sometimes with open hostility.
You correctly identify the LGBT community as manipulative and corrupting, but you fail to mention that they are twice as hateful and vile as any "anti-fan" when they don't get their way. Capitulating to them is how the industry got this bad.
"Anti-fans" are in fact encouraging the industry to course correct. The hostile developers are just throwing a sustained tantrum about it because they can no longer deny that the people they hate, the people they always hated, are the only meaningful audience they have.
i punish anti-white and anti-consumer behaviour by becoming a nuisance online and spreading disinformation and misinformation, as well as encouraging review bombing and mass refund requests.
punish by spreading disinformation and misinformation
I don't see why. The truth destroys them just fine.
But in the current internet social climate nobody has free expression, all of this shit is maintained to the whims of corporations for advertising purposes..
why not both
The frick you mean? I can literally tell someone to go unalive themselves and call them a goofy aah bozo. Like fr, this is peak liberty!
because that's what they do so ill lie about them as well
admittedly based
We stopped getting demos because corporations found out that they heavily hurt sales if your game isn't actually fun enough to continue playing. Look at the steam achievements for any popular game. See how the achievements for merely opening the game start off at ~90% completion rate, and then the gimme achievements you get for free along the course of about 30 minutes of playtime sharply drop to ~75%-65% completion rate?
THAT is why we don't get demos anymore.
Furthermore, why would any rational person be mad at pirates for doing exactly what you're trying to do by playing a demo (i.e. try before you buy), instead of directing that anger at the developers and publishers that are refusing to let you demo their game in a legal way?
But I did nothing
For one, you are pointing out a somewhat recent example with MHwilds and the fact that you mention world/wilds and GT but not MHrise or DBsuper tell me you are not on a streak of disappointment.
NTA but can I remind you that there's like 20 years between GT and Battle of Gods with evolution happening between that?
And let's not forget how inconsistent the quality of games were.
You're a DA "fan", you've had like two bad games, one depending on how you feel about inquisition. You're not going to understand what it means to be a fan and get bad product after bad product or have a 65? episode series be consistently shit with no signs of improvement.
You're basically throwing a tantrum and acting like it's the end of the world for no reason whatsoever instead of just moving to something new.
Why do you people read one line and think that encapsulates the entire post?
The second part of your post was pretty much answered by the remainder of his in that the LGBT community pretending to be nice and accepting is half the reason why devs cater to them while the anti-fans being vitriolic and hate filled is the other half pushing them away from real fans who only want it to course correct.
I think the bigger issue nowadays is developers only have contempt for the people they're making games for. The best kinds of developers are ones that make games they want to play themselves but also have a sense for what's fun and what people will enjoy. Feels like a lot of heads of AAA studios don't even play the game's they're working on, simply assign work, clock in and clock out, and don't care if the end product is actually any good.
This too. There's a difference between someone who knows nothing about a game but shits on it versus someone who likes a game but has heavy criticisms. The first can be entirely ignored as shitposter while the second is an actual passionate fan.
Well, the examples you chose kinda gives away why you don't understand
Would it have been better if I had said I was a sonic fan? Equally true and a far better example of a streak of disappointment especially during gen 6 and 7. Then there's also Breath of Fire, a long dormant series that I like that went downhill with 5 and then 6.
There are also the dead series I could mention liek Viewtiful Joe but I'm getting off track, this isn't a QA about what I like.
In any case, the real issue here is that you're clearly not a fan of anything, you just hop between what's popular and hate things that popular to hate. You never actually formed any real opinions of your own or realised that it's okay to just not buy something that you don't like.
That and he probably used games for escapism rather than liking the medium.
I think LIam from Andromeda is a thousand times worse than Jacob, and he's not even on the list. We got Peebee instead. Peebee is far worse than Jacob, but she is lucky that nobody played her game to really experience it.
Never thought about that.
I mean, despite going through far more series that have had long streaks of bad games and even the entire iwata period of Nintendo when they were at their worst, I never felt particularly angry because I still had games that I genuinely liked.
People who play for escapism would have to be constantly moving from one game to the next and if they lose a series then it would be more personal to them since it's their protection from reality.
Why do you people read one line and think that encapsulates the entire post?
I didn't only read one line. I quoted one line.
The second half of my post was a response to the second half of his. I even referenced it directly, so you ironically must not have read my post properly.
in that the LGBT community pretending to be nice and accepting is half the reason why devs cater to them while the anti-fans being vitriolic and hate filled is the other half pushing them away from real fans who only want it to course correct.
I am saying that the "developers are being pushed into the arms of LGBT because they're (fake) nicer" theory doesn't hold up, because the developers know the LGBT community is twice as vicious and hateful. They have been capitulating to them out of fear, or else out of ideological alignment.
"Anti-fans" becoming as vocal as the LGBT community is why we are starting to see course correction now. That, and the fact that "anti-fans" were the actual audience all along and rejecting them has led to a substantial drop in profits.
You can always spot these retards because no matter what the second their shit flops they want to sweep it under the rug and forget it.
because the developers know the LGBT community is twice as vicious and hateful.
Which of course doesn't hold up because they aren't nearly as aggressive as anti fans. That's the point.
Let's take the Palworld debacle for instance, between the pokemon fanbase and Palworld fanbase who would you say went around spamming, lying about the situation, posting comics painting the other fanbase in a bad light and so on.
yup
I said
"A" recent example with wilds
If you need a more in-depth explanation about why "recent" doesn't apply to the rest of the sentence, you badly need to go back to middle school.
You're a DA "fan", you've had like two bad games, one depending on how you feel about inquisition.
Three, actually. DA 2 was a rushed shit game. DA3 was mmolite fetch quest snoozefest. Veilguard is veilguard.
DA:O set the standard and bioware failed to meet that standard in one way or another with every following game.
I can move to something new owlcat games have been good to me despite the jank. I've played the majority of crpgs released after DA:O but only dragon age can be dragon age.
Well, it would be better if you didn't completely ignore the second point of my previous point.
If you want something to think about, imagine capcom keep making MH games only like world and wilds for the next decade and despite a massively dwindling popularity over those years, everytime you mention that you'd like to go back to something closer to 4th gen, you get talked down by the devs.
BoF killed itself by trying something completely different, failing and getting put on ice by capcom. There is nothing to talk about. I sure as hell didn't talk kindly about BoF 6 but the whole game was itself so unpopular, nobody was there to argue in favor of it.
you're clearly not a fan of anything, you just hop between what's popular and hate things that popular to hate.
What a dumb thing to say. You base that on absolutely nothing because that's the only way you don't get to be wrong here.
fans that know what they want are now considered "anti-fans"
Damn
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No demos got less popular because if you marketed your game well enough you'd have more sales from people who bought it out of interest but figured out it didn't suit them for some reason or another.
Every game has this, its why every game has a drop-off in player completion rates as you check achievements.
Demos only increase sales when the game otherwise lacks marketing to reach its target audience.
This is why demos tend to be more popular with indie titles and even then there are indie games that will show off a demo but remove it when the game comes out.
Peak contrarianism.
I'm an anti-fan for all sorts of game types and genres. For instance, "cinematic" games. I really do wish they'd fail so developers (or rather publishers, board members, corporate types) realize that they fucking suck.
, it would be better if you didn't completely ignore the second point of my previous point
Not that you had much of a point. If your feelings were hurt by what they said I think the image you posted earlier has the answer Which is what a normal person would do. >imagine capcom keep making MH games only like world and wilds for the next decade and despite a massively dwindling popularity over those years, everytime you mention that you'd like to go back to something closer to 4th gen, you get talked down by the devs.
Anon, that's exactly what's happening with monster hunter.
BoF killed itself by trying something completely different, failing and getting put on ice by capcom.
That's the problem Dragon Quarter wasn't all that different beyond the setting and one crucial mechanic, the D-counter which essentially punished your use of dragon form which is the gimmick of the series. If that mechanic didn't exist then it definitely would have gone down better with fans.
As for 6, it was a mobile game. I don't think I need to explain more. I take it you didn't know that either based on what you said about it.
You base that on absolutely nothing
Not at all, I'm basing it on your actions. You're not acting like someone who genuinely enjoyed his experiences. Then there's also this anon's escapism angle.
Hello, ACfag
everytime you mention that you'd like to go back to something closer to 4th gen, you get talked down by the devs.
That's Ryozo in a nutshell.
the corporate commodified games industry will always and forever make up straw man excuses to justify their incompetent decisions motivated not by the simple act of making games to appeal to gamers, but to instead focus on short-term profit oriented low risk decisions that appeal to corporate investors. ubisoft paid the price, and more will follow.
Anti-fan is the economic terrorist for the modern audiences. The later has a nasty habit of stealing money because advertisers get spooked by that no-no word.
Is "anti-fan" the proper name, then? I've got a lot to thank them for. Bringing to light that there's garbage in games, garbage translations, garbage stories, pure propaganda, ideologically compromised garbage, censorship, and all in between... you've saved me plenty, Anon Babble. Both money and time.
Thanks.
This is a joke, right? Nobody targets trannies for profit, they do it out of fear or ideology. Profit (or lack thereof) is what will clean this up.
realistically, how can the gaming industry move past the "anti-fan" problem
Make a good fucking game for once, if they can manage that at all
Anon, that's exactly what's happening with monster hunter.
Not really. The b team will keep making games like rise and gen. Still haven't seen capcom repeatedly taunting people for not liking wilds or worlds with the gaming press also running hit pieces against players about it.
Dragon Quarter wasn't all that different beyond the setting and one crucial mechanic,
And the battle system, the party members, the lack of overworld, the artstyle, etc.
I take it you didn't know that either based on what you said about it.
How would you even come to that conclusion? There is a reason the game shut down service already. If it had been popular, it'd still be open.
I'm basing it on your actions.
Except you are accusing me of something encompassing a good part of my identity (my apparently nonexistent, according to you, personal likes and dislikes) based one example of me really disliking one game series to the point I'd rather see it die than being dragged throught the mud further. There is extrapolation and there is pulling shit out of your ass to pretend you are making a point. You are doing the later.
Still haven't seen capcom repeatedly taunting people for not liking wilds or worlds with the gaming press also running hit pieces against players about it.
Then maybe you should be keeping up with the interviews, Ryozo has on more than one occasion has all but renounced the classic series.
And the battle system, the party members, the lack of overworld, the artstyle, etc.
Have you actually played breath of fire before? Mentioning party members in a series where they constantly change with only two or three characters sharing the same name is very odd. As for the battle system it was still very much turn based range didn't change much. Everything else falls under setting which wad already mentioned.
How would you even come to that conclusion?
Simple, you didn't know why until I said so. You should really do some research before your next reply by the way, I shouldn't be constantly correcting you like this.
Except you are accusing me of something encompassing a good part of my identity (my apparently nonexistent, according to you, personal likes and dislikes) based one example of me really disliking one game series
Oh no, it has nothing to do with disliking one game series and everything to do with the inability to let it go and let it die. You have a deep emotional investment here, far more than any normal fan. Which of course is telling me that you used the game as some kind of tool rather than having a genuine interest.
Which shouldn't be surprising, emotional instability is common among the younger generation.
Former Dragon writer
At least that Dragon isn't a gold hoarder. Good for him, trying his ... paw? claw? wing? at writing. I wish him success at whatever he chooses to do professionally in the future.
You're right, it's just youtubers making clickbait videos about pointless controversies and viewers clicking on said videos because controversies make the brain feel good
The lowest form of entertainment
Mentioning party members in a series where they constantly change with only two or three characters sharing the same name is very odd.
Ah yes, going from an ensemble cast in 2, 3 and 4 with interchangeable party members to a fixed party of 3 people, totally the same.
As for the battle system it was still very much turn based range didn't change much.
How dishonest.
Simple, you didn't know why until I said so.
What exactly in this post () made you think I didn't know BoF 6 was a mobile game, because you are not making a whole lot of sense here.
Oh no, it has nothing to do with disliking one game series and everything to do with the inability to let it go and let it die
I can perfectly accept if the dragon age series were to die but apparently it's not acceptable to you that I express that opinion.
You have a deep emotional investment here, far more than any normal fan.
Sorry, didn't realize you were the lord emperor of what correct fandom looks like. You don't happen to work in the games industry by any chance?
you used the game as some kind of tool
A tool for what? Again, it's just me expressing my opinion. At the same time we are repeatedly told that people being negative about a game don't have any power so what is my opinion used as a tool for?
Which shouldn't be surprising, emotional instability is common among the younger generation.
What did I tell you about talking out of your ass?
I like how your responses just kind of devolved. Like the post you linked to you at least tried to make it look like you had an argument and now you can barely string a sentence together and have to claim dishonesty.
I mean, shit nigga, you should have quit while you were ahead.
There absolutely are
However; no good game ever flopped
You don’t know how mentally ill nerds are (game devs, engineers, comp sci majors, etc).
I seem pretty ahead already if your only reply is some piddly "nuh-uh I don't like the way you post anymore".
You keep making bad assumptions, refuse to elaborate when called out while at the same time sticking to them as if they were your only lifeline.
They're keeping their heads down and waiting til Trump is out of office so they can rebrand and start pushing it again. It will never change.
I seem pretty ahead already if your only reply is some piddly "nuh-uh I don't like the way you post anymore
Sure.
Only problem is that I'm not that guy and even I can see you're circling the drain and grasping for whatever straws you can because you're butthurt about Dragon Age going to shit even though it was glorified shovelware to begin with.
I'm not that guy
You could have started with that and saved us both the trouble of needing to say anything more.
go back to being artists and not just "make thing that make money"
stop pandering
just fucking make game and fuck what your fans think
this
It was pretty obvious by the fact I was mocking you rather than taking you seriously but hey, you probably have undiagnosed autism so I'll give you a break.
I need someone to elaborate on this.
Arthur Chu
Isn't he a wife beater?
ok baldy
hope the hair system is working
I'd add SWTOR companions, some of them are super obnoxious and you can't kill them off until muuuch later on