I'm 34 and do not get the obsession with CRT and the look of scanlines...

So you were what, 15-ish when CRTs started getting replaced en masse? The Xbox 360 and PS3 must have seemed like the coolest shit to you. You have no credibility. You didn't "grow up" with CRTs, you watched some Disney DVDs on a hand-me-down your parents didn't need anymore.

I have, it looks a lot better, as in, it looks the exact same, but without the arbitrary ugly lines covering the screen.

Your brain is actually so bricked you think a CRT is worth using for anything whatsoever.

I had one at my parents while growing up
it was a piece of shit
its all about nostalgia baiting and an attempt at being a retro hipster

What exactly does "grow up" mean to you? Does me using crts from the point I was born til I was 16 mean I didn't grow up with crts? What the fuck are you even saying?

posts a 480i image

Now play a 240p game

Why are you using RF? Use a proper output like S-Video or RGB.

NO ONE HAD THAT IN THE 80s and 90s

No shit, why would you play at the worst possible quality in 2024?

theres an image of a 240p game in this very thread, and it looks fucking terrible.

You're just making yourself look bad with these pictures. Haha

Why would I do that, when I can just emulate the game, and have the pixels and colors be clear instead of muddied?

soul

see Using RF or Composite is like using a 2004 1024x768 LCD and going

SEE!!! LCDs ARE WORSE!!!

If you think RE4 looks better on a crt there really isn't much of a discussion to be had. Your brain is just bricked.

so you want a pat on the back or what? kys faggot

when CRTs started getting replaced en masse

It didn't happen overnight, some people kept using CRTs well into the 2010s

Because CRTs don't have input lag or motion blur. Simple.

this kills the crtlet

lcds are worse though. LCDs are already outdated tech. OLED is currently the best display tech.

LCDs are better in every way EXCEPT black levels, input latency, and pixel response.
Ironically black levels on an LCD are better in a lit room compared to a CRT, because the LCD can filter the light, while a CRT only reflects it like a projector screen.

Dreamcast and N64 games look perfectly fine without the CRT filter and so does pixel art in general, it is really only already ugly PS1 games that look worse without it.

I'm 34

no you aren't

blurry

But they're crystal clear.

Why are you using RF? Use a proper output like S-Video or RGB

MUH SONIC WATERFALLS

I like how in the blurry image, you cant even tell thats his bottom lip, and it looks like he's smiling with his teeth out. Because its a blurry fucking mess.

This in-game portrait is based on pic related (you can see every strand of hair is identical)
It's not supposed to be teeth

and it looks like he's smiling with his teeth out.

does it?

good because it doesn't look like teeth

Ah yes. Bloodshot eyes. Just as the original artist envisioned.

I'm 34

The CRTs I'm used to usually blend the pixels together to the point you wouldn't see aliasing. To me that looks like a cheap filter or some different kind of CRT with bigger scanlines or different output.

I have anti reflex coated CRT, so no

It does, Had you actually played the game when it came out, and not on an upscaled image from some garbage piece of hardware, you barely would be able to recognize it as a face on a 240p CRT screen.

someone unironically made pic related

Rent free

FPGA fixes this

Doesn't change the fact the CRT's phosphors act like a projector screen in a lit room. Coatings only really help with glare.

See those red dots?

single red pixel smears horizontally (and only horizontally) over ~10 CRT "pixels"

every other pixel corresponds almost perfectly without stretching itself 10 times over

Doubt

ok zoom zoom

"fr fr I'll stop browsing Anon Babble next year no cap on god"

>NO ONE HAD THAT IN THE 80s and 90s

RGB was common in Europe and Japan

it do be like that tho

The vast majority of Famicoms produced only have an RF output

I'm prepared to believe I'm wrong but I'll need to see a timestamp

This is just a shitty CRT filter, a good CRT filter allows for more accurate colors and blending effects in some games need it to work.

i'm older than you
you are retarded
this disqualifies your entire post from being read
i read part of it, and i wasn't impressed, but you are younger than me so i didn't have expectations from you

the end

Shut up kid. Get back to me when you're 40 at least. Fucking kids. Fuck you.

Agree, but you could just use a filter

This is not a CRT filter, this is how CRTs actually look.

blurrier

1) They're not blurry if you use RGB
2) Some people like the blur because it blends grainy/dithered shading and acts as an anti aliaser

lower resolution

Pixel art resolution is fixed. You cannot increase or """lower""" it. CRT's can display whatever resolution you throw at it which is why are they better for 2d games.
A flat panel has a fixed resolution so 2d games must be stretched/blurred etc in order to display them.

I much prefer

Good for you. You didn't need to make a thread about it seeing as it's a personal preference.

Is the obsession with CRT scanlines a thing only people who did not grow up with actual CRTs do?

No i'm 44. I play pixel art games on CRT coz they look/perform better. I play new games on a flat panel.

I understood there was an inherent advantage for input delay, but that really just isnt true in 2024 anymore.

1) It absolutely is still an issue
2) It's not just that. But motion blur is still a problem in model panels. BFI + 120hz helps but doesn't eradicate it. Motion blur is extremely noticeable on 2d/side scrolling/vertical scrolling games.

anybody miss how changing tv channels was instant?

Are you saying when you first played snes, n64, gba and ps1 games on PC you didn’t notice it didn’t look right? It was obvious to me because I got into emulation to back up my games and I compared them side by side

Filters (or any posts processing) add input delay.

youtube.com/shorts/WqWpQbA9Fec

NO ONE HAD THAT IN THE 80s and 90s

They did. Scart was common. Every advertisement, review (at least in british magazines), back of the box/menual screenshot etc was taken with an RGB display.
Every single console except the NES outputs RGB.

CRTs glow even more than that

anybody

miss

tv

no

black levels

only in pitch black room with nothing shown on the screen. CRT screens are grey and bloom more than mini led LDC

input latency

maybe with vsync off and tearing when compared to a low refresh rate LCD. 240hz+ LCDs will have lower latency. Also, with variable refresh rate you can nowadays get almost as low latency as unconstrained, but with perfect smoothness that beats vsynced CRT.

Not op but yeah I (and everyone i knew) couldn't believe how atrocious emulators looked when we first discovered them in 99.

eh i dont really miss tv either but trying to watch it now compared to the past is infuriating

notice the sky

When I first played emulation games on my PC I was doing it on a CRT monitor, so honestly, I'm not sure. I cant even pinpoint the exact moment in my memory to when I first used a non CRT display.

People watch TV in 2024?

nice dell bro

I am noticing the exact image, but one of them is intentionally distorted and gives me a headache to look at.

hey whatever helps you cope

back to your spinoff freak

it's literally one big harsh lightbulb most people have no idea how eye straining it is to look at

This, this is the person who will talk for hours about CRT monitors, a weeb, console cuck who probably peaked at 17 and has not felt the unpaid touch of a woman in the past 20 years.

This should tell you everything you need to know about this "retro" culture

after playing melee for the last 10 years, I can tell you that actual CRTs are never quite as clean as crt dick worshippers try to make you believe. There is a massive variety in quality of CRTs, and in the really good ones, you dont even actually notice the scanlines.

and in the really good ones, you dont even actually notice the scanlines.

You've never seen a good one.

Retards will stare into a constantly flickering lightbulb and say it looks better lmao

its possible, The only TVs I see are set up at locals, brought in by volunteers. I really dont know jack shit about crts, but I do know some are way fucking worse than others in terms of clarity.

why are zoomers so weak?

I really dont know jack shit about crts

We know.

nobody likes scanlines faggot.
CRT look great in motion unlike shitty blurry LCDs. it's that simple.
until (((manufacturers))) refuse to implement scanning backlights LCDs will continue to be shit

good pixel artists in that era were very aware of the nature of CRT TVs, they employed dithering and orphan pixels specifically to exploit the color blooming. even when you view this content with a relatively high resolution CRT from the mid 90's or newer, the effect gets lost

Gaming on CRT is becoming more and more of a hobbyist thing as the availability of decent sets diminish and they become more and more worn out with age and use. If you aren't prepared to learn how to pull the thing apart to discharge it and replace capacitors, or stick your hand in there with the set powered on and mess with magnets and the rings on the yolk then maybe you shouldn't consider getting into it.

BUT

If you can find a set for cheap/free nearby you should look into getting it to have a play with it because the time to do so is running out and you never know. You might find one with near good enough geometry and convergence that you don't need to worry about fixing anything on it for a good amount of time. You don't need a perfect CRT TV to enjoy it.

If you do fall in love with it though there are ways you can improve it and keep it going and that's where the hobbyist factor comes in because all of these things will die out over the next few decades and it's gonna take some TLC to keep them going, and because they do look entirely different than a modern display and the technology that was used to make them literally does not exist anymore, it's worth keeping them around as long as we can.

I did not mean to reply to this post.

I'm glad you have a chance to display your mastery over obscure expensive collector crts on this basketweaving forum anon. I hope you enjoy your moment of triumph.

Don't cry anon.

As long as you maintain your virginity, I think I can stay strong, anon.

34 years old

Nigger-kun, you were like 10 years old when your mother threw all the CRTs out. Stop larping.
Anyway, the very first CRT retrofag pioneers were old fucks who just kept onto them. Those who did then, continue today. There are facebook groups with 6 gorillion 50 year old men with wives and children who still post about their CRTs. Stop making up retarded narratives in your head.

Good luck in the next smash brothers tournament kek

based

Look at how in your pic, it spreads vertically too?
But in the comparison one, it only spread horizontally

all content i see from faggots talking about crt on youtube are all from dudes in their mid 20s.

Yeah, that's because mid 20 year old fucks are over represented in being retarded e-celebs.
youtube.com/@RetroTechUSA

Depends on the TV and what type of video cable you're using.

notice the sky

But ignore everything else that looks a million times better on the left.

everything looks better on the right. The ground, the monkey, the cave, the vegetation, everything.

I decided to bough some Chinessium Everdrive clones, got ma SD2SNES, a SummerCart64, MegaEverdrive and a N8Pro, dusted of my old NES, SNES Genesis/Megadrive and N64, and tested them.

Man what a bless! I connected them to my old CRT TV and they look just like I remember them back when I was a wee lad, greatest of all are the Hack/home-brew and translated games tat I missed on my childhood.

Nigger-kun, you were like 10 years old when your mother threw all the CRTs out.

Maybe in your spoiled richfag neighborhood, but most regular people still has mostly CRTs in the 2000s

fake image

CRT fakes are hilarious.

I simply do not understand why you would want a blurrier, lower resolution image.

Congratulations your brain works properly.
I play retro games at a barcade and they have CRTs and even with my meticulous modifying of the video settings they still look like ass, and the flicker makes everything feel like it's running at a lower frame rate.

it makes pictures look kinomatic

He fell for the plasma meme

lel

flicker

no such thing

I simply do not understand why you would want a blurrier, lower resolution image

Because in the games made during that era, it looks better.

posts picture that looks great

I'm not sure what you think you're proving

I'm not going to trade everything else for better motion clarity. I'm sorry you're too poor/caught up in a nostalgia phase to understand.

Damn, that looks good. I can recognize what I'm looking at just fine, and the pixel blending looks much better than seeing each individual square at high resolution!

I just realized something... Today all the new screens are 4K, and new 1080P LCD screens (in big size) are not being made . So that means the only way to properly play the PS3 and XBOX360 is no longer possible? Does that means that 50"+ 1080p LCD screens will turn into the modern CRT fad? Better hold onto those big 1080p Screens, maybe they will become expensive or collectors items.

It's just cool and nostalgic simple as, if you don't get it you don't get it

I think I remember you saying this in another thread too
I don't know a single person whose mother went around throwing out perfectly functional CRT televisions
Maybe you had a weird upbringing

No, there's barely any benefit to playing in those old screens compared to oled and regular led.

The technology is better but it's not a complete opposite like the analog fat TVs and the flatscreen LCD/LED ones

nobody likes scanlines faggot.

I do. I used to play on ZSNES with 75% scanlines
I don't do that now, but I still have a soft spot for them

Sounds like stockholm syndrome.

Just preference I guess. Shaders barely existed then, and it looked a lot better than the raw pixels and a million times better than "pixel smoothing" garbage

Well is nice to heard that, I still have a 10 year old 1080p 50" LG Screen, it has a good looking image, maybe I'll use it on the retro gaming room I'm building next to my 30" CRT TV.

Factually, objectively, scientifically incorrect.

I'm the same age and just think they're neat. For real though, playing games made before 2006 on a non-CRT looks like shit. If you don't see it, that's fine; it saves a lot of time, money, space, and effort. I'm working on restoring a 36" CRT to play games I looked at in magazines 20-28 years ago and PS1 looks so good on that screen. Just need to fix a little distortion issue when I get time off work.

prove it

How?
You want me to send you one of my superior eyeballs so you can see it for yourself?

only in pitch black room with nothing shown on the screen.

Come on stupid fuck.
Play something really dark like Thief 1/2 or Deus Ex.
All games since X360 avoid total dark rooms with no light source specifically because LCDs shit themselves.

He blew you the fuck out and now you're coping with arbitrary requirements that meet your autistic views
You lost, hold the L

I don't play in complete darkness so not my problem

Playstation looks like shit even on a CRT

I know, it's pure ass.

That's what I thought.

Scanlines fucking sucked and so did the bulky CRTs.
It's literally just zoomers (or younger) larping about how OLD GOOD NEW BAD.

Or maybe yours is, since nobody seems to agree with you

The were unwieldy sure. The picture and motion was still better, at least on the good ones.

I don't know what to tell you, anon. My persistence of vision is short enough I can notice flicker on a variety of things, like 60Hz CRTs, but also certain brand of light bulbs and Christmas lights. I can notice when my OLED phone is sufficiently dark, it flickers (very rapidly, like in the hundreds to thousands of hertz), some of my cheaper LED flashlights flicker at lower brightness settings.

I'm 33 and I think the TV I grew up with looks like absolute dogshit. A high end PVM, though? That's what I always wanted my games to look like. The nice thing about the modern day is that shaders get you 90% of the way there with zero effort or cost, if you weren't smart enough to pick up a 20" PVM for under 50 bucks a few years back.

maybe your eyes are flickering

The sun probably flickers for you too. You have a handicap and are forced to use certain displays and settings to avoid it.

I'm 35, and I also do not get the obsession with CRT. I grew up with CRT, obviously, and then the "flat" CRT, and blah blah blah. I just use a gaming monitor for everything now. When there are CRT options for games, I usually don't enable them.

It's just fake nostalgia fags.

I'm 32, grew up with CRT monitors. You're a blind bat. The way CRT technology provides image output affects first and foremost 2d games and 2d elements (game interface, text etc). It basically works like hardware anti-aliasing. And because it already was there, graphics were designed with it in mind, in some cases even utilizing it for adding various effects. Technically nobody prevents you from observing raw pixels, but quite often raw pixels look awful. Not to mention color gradients in those games, that look like ladders of separate color zones without this.
Flickering exists, but it stops being noticeable on CRT monitors above 60 (at 75 and higher at least).
Most led lamps also flicker just slow enough to start irtitating your eyes, which is why i use good old normal bulbs.

You're just an idiot who doesn't know what they are talking about.
Also you're not 34.
Also everything you said was pretty much inaccurate and stupid.

I'm 32 and do not care about this topic whatsoever

I don't like games to look good, and people who do are just fake nostalgia fags

you are a golem
you wouldnt get it
youtu.be/w5SEF_RNOFU?t=32

Okay fake nostalgia fag zoomer.

Shading and Blending > Linework
Its true in art and its true in games also.

Either you had shitty CRTs, or you have a recency bias that causes you to uncritically worship new things just because. Maybe both.
Regardless, you're wrong.

No, zoomer, I'm not wrong. I'm not going to reply to you anymore though. As OP suggested and as I already stated, it's just fake nostalgia fags.

lower resolution image

You don't know shit
CRT does nothing for the resolution of the image

CRTs are fine in person. People just preferred the flat screens because they were larger or wider screens, and lighter to carry and thinner so it took up less space. It was just the inn thing to do. People didn't give much of a fuck about the quality of the screens until later when the obsession of 4k came out but only because companies had nothing else to market and pushed that on you.

It's a meme

I'm 34 and do not get the obsession with CRT

I'm 39, and you're a silly faggot.

I will never willingly go back to CRTs because they're so fucking obnoxious to transport.
They have merits, but the weight and dimensions alone are enough to make me not want to use them.
Also I've never really cared about "jaggies".
Give me high resolution with no AA.

I'm 37 and I don't like CRT's either. I play a lot of retro games and always unfiltered and always the OG aspect ratio, usually integer scaled to make sure nothing is distorted.

It's pretty hard to spend more than 2 hours in front of a 60hz CRT without your eyes getting tired. And most of them are very small compared to modern displays, which only exacerbates the issue.

My NES looks worse on a flatscreen.

You just beat me to it. Carrying around a 17" CRT to LAN parties or your friend's house kept me fit.
Then there was the hum noise and the fact you had an electron beam pointed at your face.

Had that TV most of my life, loved it. Wish I'd never tossed it.

because they're so fucking obnoxious to transport.

Huge problem in the vagabond community

As OP suggested and as I already stated, it's just fake nostalgia fags.

Yes, that's the crux of your wrongness.

36, started with Amiga 500, had used CRTs for over 20 years and as soon as I got my first (shitty) LCD screen, I couldn't look at a CRT any more. I couldn't believe that you in fact can stare at your TV for two hours without your eyes hurting.
No, thanks, I'll take my sharp pixels, but I don't mind if other people like CRT of filters. If it suits you, have fun.

This is some real low IQ posting you're doing my man, just stop.

A lot of games used effects designed for Composite video though. I personally like how it looks for retro games, but that's a personal preference

ps2 version of re4

Gross

Nah, I grew up with one too and every day I'm thankful we still had ours in the attic, it's really as much of an improvement as I remembered it to be.