She did nothing wrong

She did nothing wrong.

Based on the scenes of this moviegame that I watched, she's fully prepared to reset the plot back to square one. Seems like she does everything wrong when it matters most.

She legitimately didn't.
And she's just the sweetest thing.

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Her tight teen ass was so fucking sexy and distracting I could barely play

Seems like she does everything wrong when it matters most.

Accurate portrayal of the average woman then.

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What would Gustave have done?

She did fuck up with that letter though.
She's still probably the nicest character in the game aside from Esquie.

verso deserved it for letting gustave die
play that fucking piano, bitch

the top of her head is too scrotum-like, too hairy, too many pubic hairs, she reminds me of a big male's scrotie

I dislike Verso, but I think the idea that Maelle should be allowed to force Verso into slavery to maintain the lives of fictional people is obscene. Especially when Verso didn't create the luminarians, that was his mother.

He would've had a long heart-to-heart with Alicia. He would try to empathize with her and convince her that her life outside of canvas still has value, so that she decides to make a choice to leave the painted world for herself.
You know, all the things that Renoir and Verso never did.

She's not even enslaving him. She just gives him the life that she thinks will make him happy. He's just being a bitch about it.
Also, kid Verso wasn't tired of painting per se. He was tired of his canvas that was supposed to be a place for childlike fun and joy be used as a fucking battlefield.

Gustave, would've 100% wanted Maelle to leave and make the best out of life in the real world, especially seeing the canvas is doomed anyway, Maelle will die eventually and then the world gets erased by Renoir.

I genuinely think that verso letting Gustave die is ironic cause he'd be Verso's biggest supporter by the end.

She wanted to keep living in a world that was maintained by the last part of her brother’s soul, who confided in Verso that he was tired of painting the current world and wanted to end it. By staying in the painting she’s forcing the last part of her brother (both painted and his soul) to continue to live on despite their wishes for her own benefit. The fact that the city is still destroyed means she can’t even recreate the original canvas as Verso and Clea painted it in their youth. Her reasons for staying are selfish and do not honor the brother she cares about.
But ultimately that why the ends are interesting. The player has to make the choice about who deserves a “happy” ending.

They're constantly bloody and grimy, my hair gets just as scrotum textured and disgusting if i don't wash it for two days.

Couldn't this technically still happen in the Maelle ending? Assuming there's no mind control fuckery going on and Gustave is himself.

Gustave would have wanted her to leave. The fact that he created the Lumina converter also makes me think that if he knew the truth of the world he could have found some way to maintain the world independent of the painters being a part of it.

Of course not. There are two teenage girls 16 years worth of life that merged together. One of them is a burnt victim. No wonder she goes insane, because she literally goes insane.

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then she should take daily showers to prevent scrote head

"Now that we can bring my husband back I can't keep seeing you but if we bang all night for one last time it doesn't count, right? Teehee."

I really liked Sciel up to this point...

I find it really ironic how one of Maelle's skill trees is fire themed. I wonder if Alicia has any trauma about it.

Absolutely.
I don't think Alicia was as unreasonable as either Verso or Renoir painted her as. They just never tried.
Hell, she even begs Verso to just calm down and let them have a conversation after their heads cool off, because she realizes this escalated way beyond what she expected.

It's so weird that from the "real" worlds perspective, the entire 100+ years drama revolving the canvas is just a minor family squabble all things concerned. The way Clea talks about it during the ACT 2 intermission is almost comical.

Gustave would have wanted her to leave

would he?
renoir will burn the painting as soon as maelle gets out, and gustave's entire family, friends, world will be genocided. they're just chilling in the epilogue, to them everything is real and not fake.

She did fuck up with that letter though

She fucked up by trusting that her real brother V*rso wouldn't lie to everyone again. Serves her right for trusting that snake.

ooooomg you gotta respect the lives of painted people

One of them is literally a plushie and bunch of them are just action figures

Alicia isn't unreasonable.

No, using your painter powers to compel your make-believe brother play the piano against his will is completely reasonable

minor

Dude, people divorce because of child deaths

I wonder if Alicia has any trauma about it.

If not about the fire skills, then about the fact that her mother painted her as a burned victim in a world where she is basically GOD. Grim.

Gustave is Clea's creation, painted in realVerso's image as Clea remembered him. So he would do the same thing as the real thing, so sacrifice himself for Maelle.

That's actually headcanon. It's never been confirmed she's even able to force her will onto anyone. Even Aline couldn't do it.

Clea’s focused on shit in the real world so her apathy also got a laugh out of me as well. The entire family is just laying comatose outside a painting so the writers could have just started another fire again and wiped them all out.

Epic reductionism, updooted.
Renoir doesn't want to do that per se, he just believes it's necessary. If you could convince Aline and Alicia to unpaint Verso and fuck off, Clea to unpaint her Nevrons so kid Verso isn't tormented, you could keep the canvas around for an occasional visit.

your make-believe brother play the piano against his will

nta, but I don't think that is implied. It is that painted Verso has the memories of real Verso, which means the REAL LIFE Brother of Alicia. He sacrificed his life for her and now he sees her going mad inside that bloody canvas. THAT is why he is so fucking depressed in the ending. You see the MAD PAINT on Alicias face through his POV. He is heart broken not because he is forced to play some dirty piano.

AND tried to set the real Maelle's face on fire the second she saw her again. Ain't that fucked up.

I wonder if Alicia has any trauma about it.

Gee, I don't know. You'd think that the fact that throughout all Act 3 she literally keeps crying about how she doesn't want to spend the rest of her life as a disabled burn victim might suggest that yes, she does.

She's not even enslaving him.

*sound of chroma in the background as he's forced to play the piano*

Just got Verso. What are some painless ways to apply burn at this point? I dont really want to waste turns applying it if possible unless there are easy ways to get it going.

Yeah, this family is totally going to heal.
...Alicia's so fucked.

The entire family is just laying comatose outside a painting so the writers could have just started another fire again and wiped them all out.

I think that was the writers plan from the start. Aline is the head of the council, which means, she is somewhat a famous person. Maybe the writer knew her obsession with paintings. Renoir (shadowed) says that she [Aline] is sad because she can NEVER see all paintings there are in her life time. I am sure that is something the writers used.

Clea’s focused on shit in the real world so her apathy also got a laugh out of me as well.

I immediately fell in love with her... Clea is a real one

Painters have distorted painted faces whenever they use their powers over the canvas. What do you two think the soundqueue during Verso's struggles at the pianos followed by Maelle's painted face "jumpscare" was made to illustrate as anything but her using her powers to compel Verso to stop being a dramaqueen and play the piano?

Painters have distorted painted faces whenever they use their powers over the canvas.

No, they have distorted painted faces everytime they enter a canvas to begin with.

Am I crazy, or is Medalum Verso's sword in the Expedition 0 flashback in Maelle's nightmare?

Gustave, would've 100% wanted Maelle to leave and make the best out of life in the real world

you see Maelle, my world, the only world I ever known, the world I fought to protect has no value. You should defently leave and kill us all and the children too, to puruse a live of a miserable disfigured cripple

The mental gymnastics of you people...

...Alicia's so fucked.

She's basically just her mother all over again, you know. She does the exact same fucked up stuff Aline did as the paintress.
Maybe she should try to not be a shit person.

Also, keep in mind that this family now has a disabled teenager to take care of, and from what we've seen, they incapable of facing any adversity without having a complete meltdown.
If I were Alicia, I would also be reluctant to return to the real world, because fuck the Dessandres.

Burning shots should be available. It’s a 30% chance I believe. There are weapons that apply burn on attack or skill but I’m not sure if they are available at the beginning of act 2.

It's only possible if the Gustave that gets brought back is somehow exactly the same person as the original Gustave who died, with all his memories and personality being the same. Whether that is actually who he is in the end is impossible to know for sure, the only people who we know are the same as they were before are Lune and Sciel (out of the humans, that is), for all we know everyone else is just remade from Maelle's memories and they have no knowledge of their past selves or the true nature of their world.

No, the argument would be: "if you want to save us, you have to believe in yourself even if it means facing your piece of shit family".

watching gustave's skillset being too complicated for streamers with thousands of hours in final fantasy is really something

You actually think she gives a shit about Gustave or that she can be convinced of not using her god powers to do whatever the fuck she wants about Verso.
People project way too much empathy and pity on Alicia when she's basically responsible for the canvas getting destroyed in the ending out of selfishness because

MUH VERSO

Speaking of, isn't it like, unhealthy to have your eye socket exposed like that? Something about it collapsing if there's no glass eye? Guess they're not even taking care of her right.

If Gustave got repainted and learned that his world is a lie would he off himself at the notion of it? He’s already shown that he’s capable when he saw the piles of bodies in the first level

She does the exact same fucked up stuff Aline did as the paintress

Sure thing, retard

Maybe she should try to not be a shit person

A yes, loyal, compassionate, caring, devoted, honest etc Maelle is a shit person. Let's look at Verso's qualities

She's not enslaving him

Is quite literally refusing his soul to stop painting in order to maintain the world in the canvas, to which his only contributions are Monoco and Esquie.

Your world is also a lie, but you still get up in the morning

And the Gestrals

Guess they're not even taking care of her right

No shit. The whole issue is that her family is not taking care of her AT ALL. They just keep telling her to fuck off.

I like to think that Aline didn't paint her that way but instead burned her personally after creating her.

Sure thing, retard

Let's see

creates a bunch of sentient people she's the goddess of

recreates her family

tortures said family because it's what SHE wants

100% wants to kill herself in the canvas destroying her family in the process

Is this Aline or Alicia am I talking about?

A yes, loyal, compassionate, caring, devoted, honest etc Maelle is a shit person

Who are you even talking about here? Maelle sure, but not Alicia is

selfish

uncompromising

unable to cope

basically suicidal

Use Maelle's Last Chance skill instead of Swift. You aren't reliant on Burn that way.

Alicia is also 16

girl named Alicia

goes into a land full of wonders

Oh, I see...

Aline absolutly painted her that way because she's angry at her over Verso's death.

ah the puppet narative again, keep coping versofag

Alicia you wrigger bitch you killed my son and now you will suffer

What did Aline mean by this?

not that anon but I think it's unfair to say Aline and Alicia are the same, Aline lost her son yeah but Alicia is the one who lost her most beloved person, got turned into a mutilated freak, can't speak, and gets treated like trash by the rest of her family. All that while she's basically a little girl, there's no way she should be expected to cope with any of that. The only way she could ever recover is if her family supported her and helped her find life and happiness again, but instead it was a bunch of strangers in Lumiere who did that for her.

You faggots do realize that she doesn't want to gommage Verso because she feels guilty about real Verso dying because of her? Doesn't help that both Aline and Clea kept guilttripping her about it.
And then Gustave died, also because of her. It's obvious she refuses to lose another "brother" and proposes the alternative instead, where nobody else has to die because of her.

Glueing Verso to that piano was the best thing she did

Is she autistic? Thats an autist face if ive ever seen one

spend a lifetime as a copy of someone else

watch countless friends die in dumb god wars

know that you have no agency, god isn't even letting you kill yourself

Can you blame him?

They literally just ripped the story from Dark Souls

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I think she needs a lot of therapy.

As Alicia gommage'd she didn't think of the people of Lumiere or the canvas.

She thought how awful it was that she couldn't hold onto Verso forever.

Is Clair Obscur proof that if God existed, we would hate him?

There is literally zero plot or lore about the DS3 painter girl (on purpose)

>creates a bunch of sentient people she's the goddess of

>recreates her family

Except she doesn't "create"she resurrected all the people that faggot Verso killed

>tortures said family because it's what SHE wants

The only one who is "tortured" is Verso and only because his lies caught up with him

selfish

So selfish she went into a canvas to help her family

uncompromising

Compromise on what, no one gives her any choices

unable to cope

basically suicidal

Maybe something have to do with being cooked cripple with a family that hates her

I never stated that is the case, ironically I am actually closer to a Maellefag (I like both endings for different reasons but lean towards Maelle). Just theorising on how bringing back the people of Lumiere works in the end, since the game does not elaborate at all and what we have to go on is Maelle bringing back Lune and Sciel, but that required saving their exact chroma which wouldn't be possible with the others. Unless her being the only paintress in the canvas means she would have access to all chroma and could restore it to a certain point in its history.

Can you blame him?

Yes.
Because for all this "you have to face your traumas, Alicia" he refuses to face his, instead just trying to off himself, even though Alicia offers him a solution that helped her - peaceful life surrounded by people who care for him. And he's still being a bitch about it.

But her brother wants to be dead. Alicia choosing to bring him back just gives for weight to Verso and Renoir saying that she’ll never leave. It’d be one thing if the painted world brings her happiness compared to the real world but by keeping Verso around despite his wishes, she’s just proving that she still can’t come to terms with his death and is using the canvas as an escape from her real life. Doing it for the painted people is just an excuse and she wants to keep running away from her actions.

Can you blame him?

Yes, most of the people and so called friends died because of his lies

if god was a

grieving mother who can't communicate and instead writes cryptic numbers

stern father who thinks all of reality should be erased because he's worried about the other gods

16 year old girl forcing you to play piano

yes we'd hate them

Throwback to a discussion in another thread, doesn't Verso beating Alicia's ass and kicking her out of the Canvas himself, with no other Painter's intervention prove that it's entirely possible for Creations to revolt against a Painter and free themselves of their tyranny? As long as the Painter in question is a weakass bitch with no skills as a Painter (which Alicia is)

They were going to die regardless
Renoir was winning to begin with

a solution that helped her

But it didn't help her, AT ALL?
She literally runs away to this because she can't handle her traumas.

Biblic god is spiteful as fuck

She did nothing wrong.

no idea what she did, i uninstalled after several extremely boring fights.

The game explains it. The chroma of all the dead people isn't going anywhere, you can still repaint them back. The only reason why Alicia can't do it right this second is because Renoir is sitting on it. The second he's gone and has access to all the chroma, she can restore it as it was in time.

He can't be blamed for hating his existence, but he can be blamed for being a fundamentally dishonest, manipulative, back stabbing two-timing motherfucker. Lune was completely right about him, he would rather sulk in silence about how sad he is over his plan to betray everyone, rather than consider trusting his friends with the truth and hoping to find a better solution. The only reason things end up that badly in the end in both scenarios is because paint Verso led them there without ever considering an alternative.

He died but she still brought him back. Maybe Verso spends his life trying to die and Alicia keeps bringing him back. We’ll never know.

Except she doesn't "create"she resurrected all the people that faggot Verso killed

She literally recreates them, poorly at that.

The only one who is "tortured" is Verso and only because his lies caught up with him

So you agree she's torturing the family she supposedly loves.

So selfish she went into a canvas to help her family

Which she ends up using to run away from her issues.

Compromise on what, no one gives her any choices

Visit the canvas from time to time was a choice, which she didn't take.

Maybe something have to do with being cooked cripple with a family that hates her

Not only does her family not hate her, she does it because that way she doesn't have to confront the fact she killed him

Yes, drug addicts usually start by not doing anything particularly wrong but fall into a cycle of abuse
Maelle is an addict. She has my sympathies, but she needs to put down the crack pipe and go to rehab

Yes, look at the Simon fight. While he had powers from Clea, that guy was able to just remove people from the canvas. It’s fully possible that an expedition could just tell painters to fuck off and beat them out of the canvas, although there’s nothing stopping them from just going back in immediately over and over again.

Wait, why the fuck didn't Aline just tell Lumiere to help her instead of Renoir? Why make them guess incorrectly 66 times in a row and resort to killing them instead?

Compromise on what, no one gives her any choices

Quite literally Verso gave her the final choice to come and go from the canvas responsibly and she refused. He was willing to suffer for a bit more at her expense and she said no

Well, Alicia doesn't want to live as a cripple as well, but it's not like Verso cares about her argument, instead just kicking her out while hoping for the best.
If anything, the argument can be made that Alicia is the more moral one here, because she tries to prevent her brother from commiting suicide for no reason by giving him something to life for. Even if her motives are vaguely selfish. She flat our told him that his life matters just like everybody elses.

Everything in the story can be traced back to Aline being retarded, including this

prevent her brother from commiting suicide for no reason by giving him something to life for.

See, this is the issue, no matter how hard she copes he is NOT her brother and her thinking so is the root of the issue with Alicia.

She is trapped on top of the Monolith
She also kills the expeditioners because if she doesn't their chroma will get trapped, not returning to her and instead hastening the point when Renoir can overpower her

nothing stopping them from just going back in immediately over and over again.

Other than PainterAIDS?

Alicia is the more moral one by turning the world into her puppet slaves and forcing a random guy who looks like her brother to play the part of her brother for decades while he suffers in agony daily

Wow Alicia is so moral!

She has painted renoir as a messenger, he could literally just talk to the expeditioners and tell them where to go

That wasn't a choice, but an ultimatum. And couldn't answer her question why would she ever want to live a sad life as a disfigured cripple in a family that is outright abusive towards her.

That's actually your headcanon to make this situation look more black and white.

you're implying that they hadn't ever tried that before

yes she did
she suggested to stop and throw a fucking rock

He literally answered her question, that shes Maelle, she can go and do anything.
There are hundreds of existing canvases and Alicia can paint a thousand more, she will only ever suffer as much as she wants to suffer, thats the difference as Verso has actually been forced to suffer without a way out

It's a twisted situation. She knows that painted Verso is not exactly like her brother, but she still loves him for it. She has lived two lifetimes where despite not having memories of the other life, she ended up loving "Verso" in both. So when she re-enters the canvas with memories of both lives, she would just love him even more. Alicia just wants the love that her real family won't give her anymore.

Its only head canon if you didnt pay any attention to the ending whatsoever

I want my brother lookalike who's lived for 100 years knowing he's basically my mother's coping mechanism to keep living despite his own wishes because I want him for my perfect fantasy life!

yes I know I actually did it for his sister, but that doesn't count because she's me and I respect my own wishes

No, she's a cunt.

Why does this game run at 15 fps

Wow, actual art instead of 3d shit

which is even worse!

There are hundreds of existing canvases and Alicia can paint a thousand more, she will only ever suffer as much as she wants to suffer,

And that's not an argument, because Renoir rebutted that 5 minutes ago when bringing up painter AIDS.

I can't believe how many people can hear the chroma sound before Verso stops struggling followed by seeing the jumpscare of Maelle's painter face and still go "Nah-uh! She isn't controlling anyone!!1!"

Fucking apes.

Judging by the piles of bodies at every major location. It’s more likely they all die to nevrons on the way to fight Renoir, which weakens Aline. Even if they were successful (like expedition 60) if they die fighting Renoir it’s likely that their chroma still gets trapped.

Alicia just wants the love that her real family won't give her anymore.

No, Alicia wants to run away from her guilt by living in a world where he's alive and she didn't kill him.
EXACTLY like Aline who created her whole family to live in a world where her son didn't die.
This isn't about love, it's about guilt and selfishness and if she actually loved him she would respect his wishes of wanting to die.
That's not love, that's control.

when bringing up painter AIDS

Painting and visiting canvases = fine
Killing yourself inside of it = wrong
Both Renoir and Verso know she's killing herself inside verso's canvas because it's verso's and literally no other reason (and they are right).

Dude, Alicia has PLENTY of reasons to escape the real world and not all of them revolve around Verso.

He would have tried to convince her that leading a life outside of the canvas is the proper choice to make. Also, if she loves her brother so much, she absolutely owes it to him to make the most out of her life because otherwise his sacrifice would have been an absolute waste.

is shown visual proof that his mother and sister are literally dying by staying in that world

Verso: I don't want this life, please kill me

dies

is immediately revived to perform like a dancing monkey

Yeah, what's his problem?

You speed readers need to fuck off of these threads
There is literally nothing wrong with spending some time in paintings. It is about being responsible and not staying too long. Renoir talks about using his gift responsibly

Anon, she doesn't want to live a life as a fucking cripple. Why would she ever want to return from a canvas in which she can life her life as a healthy teenager.
Everybody just assumes that Alicia getting over Verso's death with magically solve everything, even if her other issues remain unadressed.

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Dark Souls stole the story from Mario 64

Their chroma disappears back to Aline when killed by paintedRenoir. They literally said it in the game.

paintcucks thinking they have a chance against WriterGODS

Everyone would love to spend their life drunk or high but that's not being responsible

Do you guys think Aline was banging the painted version of her husband?

Anon, she doesn't want to live a life as a fucking cripple.

Because even she knows that argument is a cope, and in the end it's all about verso.
She's disabled, many people are, all she does is run away from her guilt while destroying her family in the process.

There are other canvases? She's not stuck as a cripple.

Her actual issues are A. having no friends outside of this canvas and B. the fear of her friends being deleted by her dad

Renoir loves her, it's not his fault his whole family is retarded

It is about being responsible and not staying too long

Yeah. A suicidally depressed teenage burn victim is definately going to show responsibilty when offered a chance to live a life where she doesn't need to suffer 24/7.
Verso just told her to exchange fentanyl for heroin and the game thinks this is a good solution.

This assumes Alicia killed Verso for real, which is only something implied by people who hate Alicia and blame her for his death. All we know is Alicia was going to die in the fire, but Verso saved her and died instead. She never shows any sign of having actually killed him directly.

Would be funny if the painters turn out to be just another part of a story that the writers created. Just keep adding more layers.

So she's an irresponsible teenager who should NOT making choices.
Glad we came to a proper conclusion.

Do you think she painted him a bigger dick?

Man its almost like she has a loving father that is willing to teach her about responsible canvas usage
Put down the fucking crack pipe

But that's the answer Verso gave her. Literally "go get drunk somewhere else".

there are people IRL that get over being fucking paraplegics after an unfortunate jump in the water, that's why I cannot take Alicia's sperg outs over being a burn victim seriously

here I can live not merely exist

get real bitch

Renoir talks about using his gift responsibly

Of course he's being responsible with how he grieves, he realizes that he can grieve in healthy ways, Alicia and Aline are how NOT to.

By the end of the game she’s shown that she’s improved as a painter. Even if her life is harder than ever she could channel those regrets into even more amazing works and experience countless worlds where she isn’t a cripple. Just like the Reacher that Renoir paints, Alicia has the potential to grow and reach new heights. By living life in the canvas she’s settled and will never grow past that point.

Their chroma disappears back to Aline when killed by paintedRenoir

You can also tell so by the color of the flower petals that they turn into, something that many missed.

those that get gommaged turn to red flowers, Aline's chroma

those painted by Clea turn to white flowers, like Simon or Verso

when Maelle was redrawing Sciel and Lune, their chroma went from red flowers to yellow, Alicia's chroma. They dissolve back into yellow flowers later

They don't know who they are messing with.

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Correct, go get drunk on weekends with friends, don't spend your entire week on a bender

She literally recreates them

She doesn't just recreates, Lune and Sciel is the example of that. That's your first lie.

torturing the family she supposedly loves

"Family" as if there more than one who is "tortured". Yet the only reason he is tortured is because he "can't cope" and "suicidal". Funny how it's only him who is allowed to have such feelings

Which she ends up using to run away from her issues

Ah yes, destroying the canvas with all its people is not "running away from issues"

Visit the canvas from time to time was a choice

Except there was no such choice, Renoir explicitly said that he will destroy the canvas the moment she leave. That's your second lie.

Not only does her family not hate her

Not hate her so much that her mother in her ideal world imagines her just as disfigured as in "real" world. Not to mention how Clea treats her and Renoir just denies her any agency until the very last moment. That was your third lie.

she killed him

The fact that family blames her as if she was the one who killed him...

And Maelle in the end too.

Anon, go look up how burn victims live. Shit's fucked

whole game is about Renoir tard wrangling mentally weak bitches.
At least Clea got his mentals

"Go get drunk somewhere else"

I can stop whenever I want you faggot.

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Why didn't the Paintress write "below"? Why didn't Aline-Renoir guide everyone to the real one?

can someone explain how this game is good? everything i've seen about it looks awful. the character designs are horrid and the combat looks like some poor rip off of jrpgs

all this gay boring reading shit discussions and arguments instead of posting sexy maelles

is it only because only a handful anons know how?
god you guys are so lame

The different chroma colors were one of the details I was proud of myself for noticing without needing some eceleb to point it out. That, and that the main path in most maps involves following some sort of light, lanterns, lamps, wisps, fires. If you're not following light sources you're in a side path.

Renoir is a controlling shithead that can't even come to an understanding with his daughter when she's able to talk. I don't see much success with them getting along now that she's a mute and can't talk back.

Play it or don't but fuck off

At least Clea got his mentals

Thank goodness for that, she realized that she doesn't have to be part of the mental illness party and went off to do her own shit.

my dad told me to put down the crack pipe he's such a fucking fascist, cant he see I'm grieving!

Maelle pre act 3 did not, you're right
As soon as she inherited Alicia's memories, the cycle began again. No different than aline, huffing copium living in a fantasy world while she slowly dies

Is the game supposed to have this much fog? I can barely see where I'm going in half the areas of this game.

Yes, lets ignore the fact that he also said how easily he lost himself in a canvas and needed saving from Aline. If you still see absolutely nothing wrong with a mentally unstable 16yo burn victim using that power, you are off your fucking gourd. There's no way in hell that she's ever going to use that gift responsibly.

She doesn't just recreates,

But she does, in fact, most npcs are basically copypasted in the ending scene with no unique clothes or anything, because she has no fucking idea of what to do.

"Family" as if there more than one who is "tortured"

Is verso not his family not now?

Funny how it's only him who is allowed to have such feelings

She's keeping him alive for her cope fantasy.

Ah yes, destroying the canvas with all its people is not "running away from issues"

Indeed, it's saving her life.

Except there was no such choice, Renoir explicitly said that he will destroy the canvas the moment she leave.

Nope, that was her in her cope, Renoir EXPLICITLY said he would leave it alone if she came back.

Not to mention how Clea treats her

Like an older sister

and Renoir just denies her any agency

Denies the agency that kills her, like any responsible father.

The fact that family blames her as if she was the one who killed him...

I mean, the game does tell you it's her fault, if her family didn't blame her, especially Aline while being lost in grief, it'd be unrealistic.

WriterGODS thinking they have a chance against MusicTITANS

Son, mah boi, don't do drugs, they're bad for you. So please put down the pipe and come home.

have a burn victim daughter and unlimited money

don't get her a glass eye made of platinum and emeralds and shit, despite Paris being a glassmaking center

Nice parents you have there.

So you are saying the game is shit?

expeditioners are weak af apart from like two expeditions, better to claim their chroma to help fight renoir instead of letting clea deny it with nevrons

There are hundreds of existing canvases and Alicia can paint a thousand more

Nigger, Maelle cares about people of Lumiere, about her friends and family

The second Gustave confronts her she will 100% shut him down and make him comply. That's how addicts with power work
No one in maelle's ending will ever confront her about going back to the real world

with a loving family you can live and enjoy life in any circumstance
Alicia is a wizard with capability to jump in and out of whatever painters can create
I loved the game but the "bitter-sweetness" of the endings is contrived as fuck and relies on characters not being able to budge in any way

that doesn't look right, something is wrong in your settings

I mean, her husband wasn't back yet...

Doesn't matter. Even if she isn't forcing him to play by painting it, she's forcing him to play by holding his mortality hostage
His only hope of dying is to play along with her wishes in his now aging body

There are other canvases

This is something almost every Maellefag seems to forget or ignoring....

Yes, lets ignore the fact that he also said how easily he lost himself in a canvas and needed saving from Aline

Yea when they first met like 30 years ago before they made hundreds of canvas worlds after
Sounds like its not that hard to use canvas worlds responsibly if you're aware of their dangers

Why didn't the Paintress write "below"?

She's a woman.

No, something is fucked in your graphics settings.
If you're on PC open the graphics INI and see the volumetric fog value

It's never been confirmed

The sound of chroma is proof enough.

She still blames herself. Whether or not that blame is actually warranted is largely irrelevant.

The song that Verso plays at the end sounds like Alicia but has new lyrics
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I will always love you
I will still dream
I will still cry
To love, forget, and dream
I will cry for you

Maelle has a life to paint
Sweet faded star
Alicia has a life to paint
Verso in the night
Lune near him

Maelle has a life to paint
Sweet faded star
Alicia has a life to paint
Verso in the night
Lune near him

Then she should have left and visited them regularly
Their deaths are her fault

E33 sequel is focused on the writers and is Alan Wake 3 all along

cares about them

risks their whole world because leaving means not being with her "brother"

The fact that family blames her as if she was the one who killed him...

It IS her fault, that's the thing. She was told not to get involved with the war between them and the writers guild, and what does she do???

Runs over to the writers guild shouting "FWEE PAWESTINE!!! ACAB!" Thinking that she knows better than the people in her family that's been at this feud for years.

Tf you mean brother. Even though it's never fully explained, we know that the Writers "tricked" Alicia into fucking up (be it by giving away information, location, or whatever), which somehow led to the fire and verso's sacrifice

with a loving family you can live and enjoy life in any circumstance

Yeah, something that Alicia actually lacks, if Clea and Aline are anything to go by.

Alicia is a wizard with capability to jump in and out of whatever painters can create

She's also a depressed teenage burn victim that resents her life. She's going to lose herself in another canvas within minutes.

isnt it obvious? woman moment

If you didn't notice during her boss fight and her

I. AM. NOT. CRAZY

Aline is, in fact, crazy.

Why would she ship him with Lune, they don't have chemistry at all, he's built for his sister

Clea cares deeply about Alicia, you would know this if you had completed the endless tower

Yeah and Miyazaki ripped off Oblivion. Now what?

There's something I don't understand during the fake epilogue
We pretty much assume the canvas can only be safely destroyed if the "real" people are kicked out of it first. If that's the case, then why did Clea almost bait Alicia into destroying the canvas with both Aline and Renoir inside?

She’s ugly

She looks like a girl you thought was pretty until she took off the makeup, and now you kinda want her gone

Reinor: Son, your mother is crazy
Verso: She's not crazy, she's hurting.
Reinor: Son, I'm hurting, but look at how I'm dealing with it compared to your mom.
Verso: you got a point there dad.

My guess is that Verso's immortality is somehow grafted from the canvas-soul itself; i.e. Aline manipulating the child-painter into maintaining their fake family through it's painting. I don't think he could've done it outside the chamber.

It probably can, but you kill the people inside.

You know, all the things that Renoir and Verso never did.

Except they did. The difference is both Renoir and Verso saw that Alicia was too much of a selfish cunt to leave. Because that's all she had to fucking do. Leave. The Canvas would have been fine. She could have left, helped her family properly grieve, and come back later to rebuild, rebuild it into something better with hope and love, instead of selfish gratification. But she couldn't fucking do it. Everything had to be so she could feel better about herself. Emphasis on herself. Notice that despite real Verso sacrificing himself to save her, after Alicia did something with the Writers that caused the whole mess, she never once actually expresses remorse, regret, guilt, shame, or even basic empathy beyond 1 throwaway line to Clea about "It's Verso's only canvas," a line that takes more sinister aspects after she enters the canvas and clearly uses that as an excuse to guilt others to let it be so she can live without her disfigurement.

All the stupid bitch had to do was leave. Leave and hug her fucking mother, and say she missed Verso too. All she had to do was be a fucking non-narcissistic piece of shit. And she couldn't even do that. And Renoir and Verso both saw it, and so they knew the only way to maybe not make Alicia finish destroying the family with her selfish actions was to destroy the canvas.

Yeah, she does.
"You are less lame than I expected, congrats. Now fuck off".
Tough love is not going to work in this circumstance.

Sounds like its not that hard to use canvas worlds responsibly if you're aware of their dangers

Aline begs to differ. If it's not that hard, why did she go full retard then? Exactly, because she's mentally unstable after Verso's death and so is Alicia. Expecting people like that to use anything in moderation and be responsible about it is straight up delusional.

Why is this making me depressed

she got attached to a replacable toy that Verso started, shit's tough but reality is that the canvas cannot be repainted and exist only because Renoir married a retard

That's my fucking point lmao why would Clea bait her into killing her parents

Renoir would've deleted the canvas if she left

Also why can ONLY maelle do that? she's a paintress yes but she's the weakest one of the family

Because clea is coping too, but she rages instead of moping around and she's sick of her mother being depressed.
It's an understandable feeling.

Who is the kid at the end of Maelle's ending supposed to be?

Sure, keep telling yourself that, Alicia.

plot hole most likely

That's what she said, not what Renoir promised her right before he leaves.
It's like her dad loves her and knows it's important for her so he's willing to compromise (unlike her) or something.

Clea is simply a cunt that just wants Alicia out of the way, so she throws her into the painting for fucks and giggles.
It's an equivalent of locking your old, disabled mother in a basement, because you can't be bothered to deal with her.

One of the kids from the prologue, did you even play the game or just watched your favorite streamer.

Verso's soul.
He doesn't look like a single orphan or Gustave's assistant.

It's her lover.

Renoir would've deleted the canvas if she left

As he should have.

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Sciel's miscarriage

why doesn't aline or renoir or clea just give alicia a magical paint "tattoo" to restore her face and throat

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Maybe if she even looked at him.

Sciel's miscarriage

I thought her miscarriage was a girl

Why is everyone older except him?

When you go around the manor in act 2, there's a

this hallway nwas too damaged to be repainted

comment by Alicia, so there's a limit to real world applications of their powers.

why doesn't aline or renoir or clea just give alicia a magical paint "tattoo" to restore her face and throat

Maybe because that shit doesn't work in real life.

Maelle's shota bf
She's the boss, she makes the rules now

Both TRVE

It doesn't really sound like that
She just says something like "renoir can repair the damage and alicia can paint the walls again, but it will never be the same"

Why do people have such a hard time with flawed and tragic characters like Verso?

Verso and Maelle’s kid.

she knows her father loves her end can exploit it
Renoir even can be persuaded to leave her be in the canvas to die
literally if everybody gets off the canvas catnip he can be the loving father she already had and can save her from the depression
he doesn't neglect her, he has "soft spot" for her, he dived in the canvas so she can have her mother back
I realised that I don't care about painted Verso anymore, Verso ending is the correct one so that Renoir can catch a break

they arent

Verso is clearly angry, doesn't want to play the piano.

Everyone looks at him kind of awkwardly.

Sound of Chroma being used

Maelle has her painter face

Verso starts playing the piano

Nah bro you're right, it Verso organically just changed his mind.

most npcs are basically copypasted in the ending scene with no unique clothes or anything

She doesn't need to restore them exactly as they were, their souls are still the same. Plus same clothes doesn't indicate anything.

Is verso not his family not now?

Are you retarded? I didn't denied that Verso is her family

She's keeping him alive for her cope fantasy.

She have all rights to do so

it's saving her life.

Imagine being such a self-righteous faggot to call it saving

Renoir EXPLICITLY said he would leave it alone if she came back.

Why are you fucking lying?

Like an older sister

Not an excuse

the game does tell you it's her fault

The game tells you that she was tricked by writers and Verso died while saving her. Only a faggot and a bad family will blame her for killing him.

Clea is just angry, which is her way of dealing with grief. She's also very pragmatic and rather focuses her anger on what's actually important, aka the conflict with the writers so getting Alicia out of harm's way is very sensible.

In fact, every family member symbolizes a different stage of grief. Alicia = denial, Clea = anger, Aline = bargaining, Verso = depression, Renoir = acceptance.

Verso was crying because he remembered that Maelle will rape him again until his balls are empty that night

true and canon

Because the way he replaced Gustave was just really blunt and mishandled. It's like being a kid and having your mutt dog die, then literally the same day your dad brings home a puppy from a super fancy breed to replace your previous dog.

That's why I didn't like Verso, I wanted Gustave back and I didn't appreciate how Verso replaced his role in the party immediately along with flirting with the two adult women in the part when before that they were flirting with Gustave.

The constant lying also doesn't help.

and visited them regularly

>risks their whole world because leaving means not being with her "brother"

The canvas will be destroyed by Renoir IF she ever leaves

This but unironically.
Verso is a fucking cuck

Because the way he replaced Gustave was just really blunt and mishandled. It's like being a kid and having your mutt dog die, then literally the same day your dad brings home a puppy from a super fancy breed to replace your previous dog.

It happened in the same fucking cutscene too, it's hilariously tone deaf

Did Maelle give Verso his mortality back in her ending?
He clearly doesn't want to be there, but he also visibly aged a lot. If he can just live out his days and finally die, shouldn't he be more accepting of his fate?

that's really clever, but it's Aline who's the denial part (creating fake family) and Alicia is bargaining

According to the girl who doesn't want to leave.

supposedly the kid's internal name is 'taboo child' take it what you will

Implying that she’ll let that happen

that scene will repeat for at least a few more centuries

Oh i wasn't ironic...

HMMMMMMMMPH!

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I haven't played the game, but given Anon Babble's contrarianism, I'm going to assume she did everything wrong.

Characters look like pixar toons

That would be the logical assumption but once you realize it was all planned by Verso, it becomes intentional and it pretty much becomes logical to hate him too lmao he lied from the very start

He always had gray hair from aging, he tells sciel in a cutscene that he just dyes it (and they actually mess it up)

You're reading to deep into the color of Petals.
When realRenoir is logging off the Canvas he also disappears into Red petals. The color obviously doesn't indicate who the chroma belongs to. Or what, are you saying real Renoir is painted by Aline? Don't be daft.

According to the girl who doesn't want to leave.

That was Renoir himself stated, even explained his reasoning

Her only sin is being thirsty for her brother's cock.

kid gives gustave the expedition uniform

maelle comes back to lumiere and gives him gustave's journal

anon denies his existence

I just thought that the flowers are just the ones on real Verso's grave

Incest won?

When does he state "I will destroy the canvas if you ever leave"?

Maybe he counts as being painted by kid Verso and he also has red chroma.
The white and yellow flowers are too consistent not to be intentional.

All of this is Aline's fault for creating sentient humans with free will that can suffer instead of mindless puppets

I'll just add that in Maelle ending I like that there's no tryumphant hollywood resurrection of Gustave, Sophie, Pierre, Lucien, anybody, they just casually appear to make the player not feel any accomplishment at all

kek

The general consensus is that Gustave would have agreed with Verso.

Didnt verso make them? She's just trying to maintain them

Yes, Maelle is the canon ending. The entire plot of the sequel centers on Maelle and Verso's incest child discovering his half-god powers and the fact that he can somehow leave the canvas. He spends the entire game killing writers with his aunt and searching for a way to bring his father, Verso, back.

Brien haired kid you see disappearing during the gommage.

most sane maellefag

No Aline painted the fake Lumiere and the painted family in to the canvas. Before it was just playground for Verso and Clea created with Esquie and the Gestrals and shit like that.

You got it wrong.
Aline is denial, Clea is anger, Renoir is bargaining ("I need this fixed" - no motherfucker, your family is already in shambles), Alicia is depression, Verso is acceptance (because he's already dead).

Its more likely the soul of Verso wanted Alicia to leave the canvas.

Oh

I want either this sequel or the Hitler one.

I didn't think so at first because Verso always had white hair (he just dyed it), but then I remembered her words before restoring the world in the canvas, she says something like "If you could grow old, would you learn to smile?" and I think it's possible she let him live and eventually die like a normal person, but it kind of goes against her being obsessed with keeping painted Verso alive, I don't imagine her making compromises with him when she has just beaten his ass into submission.

create sentient humans for whatever the fuck reason

the same humans rebel and immediately go on expeditions to push her out, starting on year 0 when the gommage probably kills 1 drunken old hobo

genocide the expeditioners with painted Renoir at different rates for funsies

Clea painting in the Nevrons to genocide misguided Expeditioners that work in her and real Renoir favor even more

Gods of the canvas really work in mysteriously retarded ways

wait until you hear about reincarnating chroma and maelle inheriting julie's chroma

I think Gustave would've tried to peacefully solve this entire family clusterfuck by being essentially a family psychologist for them. Maybe he could achieve the best ending possible where the painting lives but painters fuck off, at least for a while, and come back in moderation.

Greek god moments

Why didn't she bring back of any of Verso's lovers from the 67 years of expeditions?

She brought back everyone else's lover. Hell, she could've painted him the perfect woman so he'd stop being so suicidal. It doesn't make any sense, it's like she wanted to blueball him.

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Aline created them because she wanted a perfect 1:1 world where her son is alive.

NTA but as soon as he fucking shows up in act 3 he's already thinking of destroying the canvas. He waited 67 years for the impasse to finally be over and for aline to be out of the canvas. It's literally his only chance of destroying it before she tries to come back for more copium

everyone died during the gommage, alicia brought them all back
here, got this from the archive for you

She is the only receptacle for her sweet brother's cum, no other harlot is allowed.

Same reason she didn't bring back painted Alicia or painted Renoir. It gets in the way of her fantasy life with her brother.

Except they are not consistent. You said Sciel and Lune's chroma turns to Gold after being repainted by Alicia. But in the end they both disappear in Red petals. So make up your mind?
Verso too, after Act 2 he starts disappearing in Red petals. Then in the Inbetween White petals start flying off of him. But in the end when he disappears completely alongside soulVerso he disappears in Red petals.

It's ANYTHING but consistent. It is some kind of an artistic intention but it definitely is not an indication of whose chroma it belongs to.

Why would she bring back competition? She wants Verso as her personal dildo sex slave

Renoir is stuck under the monolith

So then how did Renoir save Maelle after painted Renoir raped the expedition?
How is he in the camp doing shit and making them a weapon to break the barrier?

why painted Renoir violently kills the expeditions then, instead of aiding them against real Renoir under the monolith?

Verso saved Maelle at the beginning

When they first meet and it was more like "you will leave and I will destroy the painting"

Because Maelle is with them this time and she has the ability to destroy the canvas.

Verso does say he would like to have some of the old expeditioners be brought back so they could enjoy the future they sacrificed themselves for (basically just to tell them they made it). But the ending doesn't show enough to say much about it. I don't mind, I like thinking of the possible futures, e.g. maybe some of them do come back but to make Verso's tragedy even worse he can't enjoy any of it so he has to see all his friends and loved ones living happily without him, or maybe Maelle was so self-absorbed in what she wanted that she only brought back people who died in monolith year 33-34.

He kills the expeditions because their chroma fuels the paintress who he loves even though he's just a fake of her husband

Well, it still doesn't explain how Renoir is doing shit as the curator if he's supposed to be stuck under the monolith.

Yandere brocon, Look it up. She ticks all the boxes

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Verso saved her at the dark shores
We can assume the curator is only a figment of renoir; the only thing he can send out while he's weak and trapped

Full pic?

she has yet to fulfil her obligation on owing me sex

What's the issue here? The entire fucking continent is "below" the Monolith.

He's stuck from leaving the Canvas because the exist is on it's top. She is stuck from going anywhere BUT leaving the Canvas. Actual peak KINO.

Stop calling her a brocon, there's no evidence. As far as we know she's asexual

Considering the city is still fucked up, all the other Lumiere's are copy-pasted faceless npc's, and because we're told over and over throghout the story that Alicia isn't good at painting.

The real answer is that she can't.

That's the point. She does give him a normal, mortal life hoping it'll make him happy. And he's still being a bitch about it.

The kid in the end is literally named "Taboo Child.'
It's a valid theory.

Anyone ever noticed that real life Verso looked a lot like Gustave?

He's already lived for 100 years and had a normal life before the fracture

Clea can go in and out of the Canvas, so your theory cannot be true.

Wait where did you get that?

pretty sure he's just being a fag

She wants to have sex with her brother

As far as we know she's asexual

Eh, I just assumed that Alicia is just incredibly sheltered, so that she still thinks children are being delivered by the stork or something.

was painted clea normal at any point? painted verso seems to have known her before all this, when did real clear repaint her because she hated how her mom painted her (looked exactly like her)

And Aline appears in Old Lumiere even though she's stuck on the Monolith. Clearly being stuck does not mean they cannot physically appear somewhere else in the Canvas with some limited powers.

was (....) clea normal at any point?

Anon, it's Clea. She's never normal by default.

Alicia is actually 32. She lived 16 years as Maelle and 16 in the real world.

Probably but he might have a point since real life Verso looked a lot like Gustave

When does she appear? I don't remember that, but I dont remember the beginning of the game much

Source?

Yes the whole family was normal at some point. Real Clea painted over the fake one shortly after the fracture.

She doesn't have the experience of a 32yo, she lived two lives as a kid

When Verso baits her to open the doors to the Manor for Maelle.

does time pass differently in the canvas? they've all been in there for like 67 years or some shit

the god of your world should be able to end it without second thought!

Versofags are retarded.

Is it agreed on at this point that Painted Renoir kills the expeditioners because the nevrons were created by Clea, and if they get them then real Clea/Renoir are getting that chroma and Painted Renoir obviously wants the chroma for the paintress?

Yes the whole family was normal at some point.

Painted Alicia was never normal, by design.
Also, RL Dessandres weren't particularly normal to begin with.

physically 16

mentally 16

She's 16.

What caused the fracture anyways? Renoir entering the canvas to pull Aline out?

Yeah they fought

Just realised that Verso is literally in the exact same situation as Clive but if Clive helped Ultima instead. Man I wish that game didn't suck.

How so?

Aline made the Axons?

Why? To fight Renoir

Renoir made the...??

Who did Renoir have fighting for him

Clea made the nevrons

Did she make all of them or was she helping to make more?

Gestrals

Who made them and why?

I meant
"To fight renoir?"

That, and there is also a small risk that the expedition might actually succeed at taking down the paintress.

It's not cheating if he's dead

Gestrals were made by kid Verso, which is why they’re just a bunch of mannequins with brush-like hair. He was lazy and didn’t want to draw.

So why did the paintress erase people? I finished the game and I still don’t get that part

All those those anon who keep sucking off Clea and Renoir miss the point that none of the Dessandre's are properly dealing with grief. The whole point is that Clea and Renoir THINK they have the right idea, but it's a self-serving one that only hurts everyone around them in the long run. Alicia is arguably the only one least toxic to everyone around her (being the depressed one) with her grief being internal, not external. Until she decides to fantasy suicide herself because she can't take it anymore. That might actually hurt her family a bit, but given that they literally don't care about her, they probably won't even notice she's gone.

Both stories can be reduced to "People fight against their creator/god to decide the future of their world, either they save it and have their future or the creators destroy it". The difference is Maelle is like a benevolent god on the side of the people. Clive fights against Ultima to stop him from wiping away his creation and leave the world to the people, Verso helps Renoir hoping to succeed in destroying the world.

lol

No. Here's who made who.

Aline: The Lumerians and painted Verso with memories as she remembers them/sees them

Reinor: The Nevrons

Clea: The white Nevrons, repainted Simon and Francois

Young Verso: The Gestrals, Monoco and Esquie

Alicia: Her painted self, repaints Lune and Sciel (with the help of Verso because she's shit otherwise)

I don't know why people suck Clea’s ass when she’s the character with the least screentime in the entire game. We should be talking about how cute Maelle is instead.

the game explicitly tells you Axons are Renoir's creations
Gestrals are Verso's creations like Esquie
Nevrons are created by real Clea to stop Chroma from returning to Aline and slowly diminish her power, that's why you can see all the expeditioner corpses in the game and that's what Alicia uses to fight Renoir in the finale

Fair enough

She didn't, she created the monolith to warn them of when the time will come. It's Renoir erasing them, but he can only erase the old ones, which is why they get to live 17 years

because no one wants to suck Maelle's ass

Do you have negative attention span?

If Axons are Renoirs creation, why did Clea make Simon kill one then if she wants her mom out?

I'm no one

all this trouble when a simple matchstick would have solved the problem

She isn't very fond of how her parents try to portray her.

Makes sense for her I guess

It would have killed his wife too, which is the whole point he's in there for, to pull her out

simon kills the axon that represents clea. she does this to all the shit that her mother makes that facsimiles her.

fucks up painted clea

fucks up painted clea's shitty husband cause she's mad her mother would think she would fuck someone like that

fucks up her mother's axon that represents her

clea has zero tolerance for that shit

this I didn't get
From Simon's journal I get that he was sent below the monolith to deal with Renoir but somehow he gets trapped deeper than Renoir in the Abyss and his mind degrades there
But Axons are also a way to harvest enough Chroma to make a barrier breaker to get around killing paintress's heart which we never see

Honestly at some point this shit just doesn't make sense and all that's left is that they put that dead axon there so you know Simon is the big boss

Who is her husband? Simon?

No Clea very clearly paints the nevrons, Including the white ones( who are defective in some way). The story beats in the floating manor and with the final white nevron support this. Real Clea painted over her painted version to have her become a nevron factory.
Renoir created the Axons and the two new enemies you see in the final area (creation and the sword orb one). Everything else is correct

yeah, simon and painted clea are a couple in the backstory

What do all the white nevron quests do? I fucking killed 2 of them and could never see what happens if you dont so the dude with a billion HP attacked me for killing 2. Is it just an item?

I didn't kill any of them and in act 3 in the fountain the white handsy one (like the nevrons in dark shores) gave me 100 lumina

Bros, I can't stop listening to the soundtrack, it's too fuckin good

We don’t know enough to know. It could be because they needed to kill an axon to make a barrier breaker. Maybe Renoir sent that Axon to stop Expedition 0 and it was defeated in combat.

if you killed one of them you merely miss out on the 100 lumina point reward when you encounter one special white nevron when you unlock flying. nothing major, just tries to make you feel bad for killing them

You just get 100 lumina to spend. I don’t know if the conversation is different but you also get told that they were essentially flawed creations from Clea

At some point you just have to realize that you haven't really been paying attention to the game.

It's great, I can listen to french women all day.

i think the Axons are Renoir's design, but in this world Aline created them using his designs to fight against him. Its why Renoir summons Sirene in the end fight kaiju battle in the background. its a different Sirene to the one you fought before.

then why simon killed clea axon, mr attention paying nigger

Same reason why she specifically painted over her own painted copy.

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its over for shitposters

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my ass, why do you ask?

Game is legit good. I do not give a fuck if the guy who made it had a billionaire dad give him money if he makes games like this.

Why do people think you need to be a poor indie dev underdog with zero connections to deserve making something good? Fucking parasite leftist mentality.

Best game I've played in years and I fuckin hate turn based games. The characters, music, story, the scenic vistas, I love it all.

Just finished the game
How come painted Renoir seemed to be fully under control of Aline and tried to keep her inside the canvas, while painted Verso wanted to eject her?
He was like the polar opposite of the real Renoir and obviously her idealized version of him in that situation, but why was painted Verso not the same way?

No fucking clue, but we need more people who like games to make them. Too many are designed around market analysis and all sorts of other stupid shit. Meanwhile this game is made by people who wanted to make something good and enjoyed games.

while painted Verso wanted to eject her?

I think even Aline was surprised by this fact since after she's getting pulled out and is in Verso's arms fading away, she asks "Why?"

I do not give a fuck if the guy who made it had a billionaire dad give him money

It was also funded through the French government with their system similar to Dustborn and Canada

Well the funds went somewhere good then.

Painted Verso was more like the real Verso than the others were their real counterparts because she was trying to make him as accurate as possible (and also arguably containing a piece of his soul I guess?), but the others were based on

I hate Alecia

and making Renoir the dadliest dad ever

you're actually retarded
painted Clea is painted over by real Clea out of spite and it helps real Clea's cause
killing an Axon, real Renoir creation is working against her cause

Well the funds went somewhere good then.

The French did something smart for once, unlike Canada and Dustborn

What does the lion represents?

Just got to Lumiere in act 3. If I finish the game, can I still go back and do side quests, or does it force you into ng+?

He's the leader of the pack

its how they differed in their ways for caring about Aline. both did, but painted Renoir also wanted to protect his painted family too. Verso wanted to protect Aline foremost at the cost of himself because thats what real Verso did, he died protecting his family. he also feels very personal guilt that all this is happening due to him, or rather real verso. he knows hes not real verso but he still has all the memories and experiences of real verso so he feels even more conflicted on his involvement. painted verso is figuratively the situation of "what if verso was with us now seeing us all fighting and arguing over him? is this what verso would have wanted?"

out of spite

And she cannot do the same to the other representation of her, why exactly?

killing an Axon, real Renoir creation is working against her cause

If you haven't noticed, the Axons aren't involved in the conflict.

you can go back and do side quests

if you beat the game it makies a save at the end of lumiere for you with the final boss defeated and you can go do sidequest shit

i dont know how to get to NG+ though. You can also just leave lumiere and save it for later even after arriving there

You can reload a save they give after finishing and it puts you back before the final fight to choose a ng+ run or go out to tie up any loose ends

Maybe a FF8 reference because the director is a FF8fag?

Painted Verso had some of real Versos memories, so he felt sympathy for the real Dessandres.

he was Hoarah Loux

There's literally a "new game+" ad on the first page of the menu.

The canvas that he lost himself in was one in which he self inserted as his lion fursona

you ng+ at any expedition flag

That's like the only FF8 reference in the game, because they sure do reference ATLUS games, and FFX a shitton.

They saw it in elden ring and thought, hey that's cool let's add it in the game for no reason! A lot of elden ring designs are in this game.

I think the Axons were already painted before shit got all crazy, that's why they aren't really aggressive, and also kinda trapped in their own place and unable to go out of their way to kill expeditioners.

Maybe i'm a lion...

The wrong sibling died. It should have been you Alicia. Now drag our druggie mother out of that canvas and make yourself a new mouth while you are at it since you talk like an incel.

Bitch looks like Marvel's Spider-Man 2's MJ, this just makes it funnier because people were bitching about MJ looking ugly as sin, and yet people are gooning and waifufagging over this character.

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No idea but his theme music goes so fucking hard!

i love this theme. you get the feeling that is lumiere itself fighting for its survival through gustave.

There is a FF14 reference with a "stormblood "attack and another that I forgot.
There is a FF16 reference with an alternate verso costume.
The devs said in a interview that the shitty minigames were on purpose and inspired by the horrible FFX chocobo mini-games

Explain her appeal.

à On

KEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKE
Holy shit what a french pun

Phare means LightHouse

Boss is the Serpenphare (Snakelighthouse)

pun goes "C'est un mec qui s'appelle On, il a un phare. C'est le Phare à On."

Literally : A guy named On has a lighthouse. It is On's Lighthouse.

Phare à On = Pharaon = Pharaoh

That's the joke. It's is the daddiest of all french dad jokes.

redheads ar ay the same lel lemaou

I think you have a severe eye problem. Try seeing your doctor.

singlehandedly carrying the family

holy shit this is literally the female version of chad vs basedjak

Well the loss of her son was directly caused by alicia somehow letting the writers cause a fire and with verso being such a good brother saxrificed humself to save her, so its pretty easy to understand how it got to this point with her

she's like Alicia without the mental illness or questionable age.

If only Kircheis were here...

I know a bit of French but this language doesn't sound like French at all, it sounds weirdly Indian.
What is it?

She's a chudette

I think its more like since its verso's soul in the canvas and the painted verso were in sync that it gave him greater capabilities to just not be shut down by a painter like alicia

especially seeing the canvas is doomed anyway

that's like saying you'd tell your adopted sister to get on a rocket to mars because the earth might be doomed in 500 years
i assume no canvas is ever going to last forever but even if they kept it for one month in irl time that's potentially 2000 years in the canvas

i want to cum on it and the hands that made it

it would work really well narratively too.

Lune asks him if the life of one person worth the whole of lumiere

Gus says hes not sure anymore but continues on anyways.

She did nothing wrong.

I agree, until the last five minutes where they abruptly decide that not wanting to kill all life in the canvas also means that she'd forcibly keep Verso as a living puppet.

That one place where the manor sits at (?) in the world map, with a theme playing with some spoken audio - what was that about? What does the speech says?

We were robbed of even more daughter-father drama kino.

Anon, face blindness is a symptom of autism.

i think it's less that you need someone poor to make something good, more that it's incredibly hard to make something good with a massive studio due to all the extra costs and wasted time that comes from having to manage and communicate between that many people, too many cooks

>Gus says hes not sure anymore but continues on anyways

Yes... The answer is yes.

yeah, they sold us on the top tier gustave acting then snatched it away when the charlie cox money ran out

Try to convince Maelle to leave for her own good but ask to maybe not to throw the fucking painting into a fire and kill all of Lumiere along with his sister and apprentices in the process?

You know him well

He's the first member of the Dessendre crew

Pay attention next time retard, the writers used alicia to set the fire that happened and was going to consume her, verso saves her by sacrificing himself somehow and thats the impetus for the story

And the answer is yes

I think you miss interpreted it, Aline thought Renoir was trying to trick her with his own painted Alicia.

I can never shake the feeling that Gustave looks like Robert Pattinson from Twilight.

charlie cox money ran out

Ben Starr must be cheap as hell

Alpha female

You mean The Lighthouse

That was so long ago most likely before they were even family and she taught him since about how to properly do this stuff, he was making the same mistake that alicia is currently and aline was the one that brought him out

Ah that's true. Still a very peculiar method she chose to deal with it..

Cant trust the glassmakers much more than the writers dumbass, it sucks that people still need windows and mirrors thus allowing them so much influence

dont fuck with the baguettemeisters

Lo-Fi Maelle...

Baguettemeisters are the peons of sandwich artisans.

Clea is using nevrons to kill people so their Chroma ( the source of all power in this setting ) doesn't return to the paintress, which weakens her hold on the world and Renoir.

Renoir basically saves up all his energy to cast a world-wide version of Maelle's lvl 3 radiant ability specifically targetting the oldest people in the world once a year. People think she's involved because she warns everyone of the maximum age every year, but she's not.

because she can't handle her traumas

How would you handle being a teenage girl that is horribly disfigured, has only one functioning eye, can't speak, and is in constant pain from doing basic things like breathing? Not to mention having a fractured family. Cause people act like she's just a normal teenager hiding from normal teenage angst when her life is honestly quite shit.

the idea that every occupation in paris is just in a gang war with each other is more interesting than what we got in act 3

Lune's smile lights up a room!

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He's the patriarch of the family you fucking ape.

no, thats esquie

And they all of course have magic powers related to their craft.

Doubtful, the entire reason he has in destroying the canvas is that alicia will waste away and die in there, if she ciuld have shown moderation and an ability to cope with what happened and move on with her life then everyone in the family would have kept versos last painting safe as a memento of him

Sciel is cuter and more fun and friendlier

By the very end, she was using the threat of the dad coming back as an excuse to not leave.

Here's your card.

She owes me sex but I don't play nu-slop

you stay away from those plumbers, what with their pipe worlds and mushroom kingdoms

Yeah, IMO that Verso's soul shit was such an asspull just to make the conflict more dramatic. It's as if the writers wanted to overcomplicate the whole thing. And it wasn't needed, because the story was doing fine without it.

I agree to disagree.

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that alicia will waste away and die in there,

As opposed to wasting away and dying in the real world? Cause let's be real, ain't no way she's making it to a ripe old age with all the damage she suffered in the fire.

As opposed to wasting away and dying in the real world?

She can make her own canvas and paintings in the future with all the life experiences she's had. Even Verso explains how she has a knack for painting now.

If his daughter could show a modicum of self control and not trying and waste her life away in the canvas, then it ciuld have stayed

She did everything wrong. From the moment shse stepped into the canvas she fucked up like the loser she is.

But if she wants to die in that specific canvas what is the issue?

What part of "living in canvas is addicting and she's a traumatized burn victim that wants to leave her sad life behind" have you missed?

What is the history behind this stripped B&W shirt with the red scarf and black pants? I feel like i've seen it before in french media.

Marcel Marceau?

I'm uncultured

Renoir went through this before and aline was the one that helped him overcome it and taught him how to properly use the painter stuff, now he is doing the same for his daughter however his wife is also being fucking stupid when she knows damn well she is being stupid, clea is coping by using her grief to go and fight the writers

That's why real verso had to die, he was growing too powerful.

I always thought it was Gustave's apprentince.

Try to convince Maelle to leave for her own good but ask to maybe not to throw the fucking painting into a fire

his sister Emma

his apprentices

Lune and Sciel and much of Lumiere

I feel like so many responding to this forget that as much as he loves Maelle, he still has so many others to consider in any decision he makes. He would also have to come to terms with Maelle = Alicia, since Alicia's motives and perspective differ. It'd be somewhat like Joel from Last of Us finding out that Ellie was actually some otherworldly skinchanger all along or some shit like that. That would be a mindfuck to be sure. Sadly, we may never get to see his reactions to any of this because that damn piano-nigger couldn't help himself.

Painted verso was inside of a painting of the real soul verso thus there could have been an interaction there that causes some blled from the soul to the painted

Yeah, Renoir is using bargaining and projection, because he thinks HE knows better what his wife is going through. Alicia even brings it up.
Also, Clea literally removes herself from the whole thing trying to fight an unnecessary war that nobody in the family needs right now that will only lead to more misery.

"For the sake of the living, we must part with the dead."

Renoir was right, you're eventually going to have to put your dog down or pull the plug on a dying parent and move on instead of wallowing in pity.

Red hair: Cutest

White hair: Most beautiful

How tf did she do it? She mogs other female characters so hard

sciel killed her own baby

into the trash she goes. I almost liked her too. Whatever the male version of the Ick is, I have that now.

I don't think it's Renoir's call to decide how and when everybody should grieve.
Also, my point was - what is exactly stopping Alicia from getting addicted to another canvas? And don't give me that "it doesn't have Verso's soul in it" because you know damn well she has other issues to deal with that do not relate to Verso.

But if she wants to die in that specific canvas what is the issue?

It's not hers to die in.

supposedly a made-up language inspired by occitan

I don't think it's Renoir's call to decide how and when everybody should grieve.

It is, especially when Aline trapped him for 67 years. And yes it because of Versos soul, that's why in the ending you can see them back together again as a family after it's all done.

"it doesn't have Verso's soul in it" because you know damn well she has other issues to deal with that do not relate to Verso.

Stop being such a Clea.

Does anyone else has this stupid self rule of not allowing Maelle to go back to her red hair in post game? I just can't see her as the same.

why didn't she just let Verso die?

Yeah, same. Seemed wrong.

This, she should be painting her own Esquie's, Monocos, and Grandis instead of living in someone else's world and vision.

Nta, but Marceau was *the* mime. He effectively created the look and style of what we think of as mimes today. If I say "imagine a mime", and you think of a dude with black and white greasepaint and a striped shirt pretending to build a wall, you're thinking of Marcel Marceau.

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why didn't she just let Verso die?

Because she wants to make up for the time lost after he died and just like her mom, she can't let him die.

stop masturbating, go to church

you want him to masturbate in the church?

You sick fuck, this is like looking at nudes of your family members...

I wish this game had the console enabled. I dont know why games stopped doing that, it's such a simple thing to do.

out of 10!

Stupid fuckers got the wrong anon

9 verses

Uuuuh I'll do it later. The song is called Lumière s'éteint (Light turns off) and isn't about anything plot relevant.

But she was right. The second Maelle leaves, the canvas is destroyed. There's no effort made to let the people of Lumiere just exist and live out their lives.

but the orphan boy

I feel like people just don't want to confront the likelier implication, not that I care for that implication myself. The game spends all of its time centralizing everything that happens around Verso past his intro, so one way or another it probably relates to him. You know, like virtually everything else. People can then make of that what they will, whether it be a copy of Verso or something else.