Pic related comes out

I made a cheat code for 4x damage + no heart drops and it was great.

Give cheat

I see.
Anyway I assumed the western hyrule department would consist of either

the tour lady

the zora

or both. Also I liked how the guards in this game are characterized, it's pretty funny how they're all traumatized dorks.

At least one person who gave this game a "10/10 best game of all time" 4eview started working for Nintendo shortly after writing that review for a magazine, website or whatever. Huge Nintendo bonus for this piece of shit game.

Now fans want them to go back to the old formula

it's a handful of insufferable trannies who're stuck in the early 2000s

no one wants to go back to the old formula and this is easily verified by the fact botw outsold skyward sword TEN TIMES OVER, and botw keeps selling to this day showing that word of mouth is as good as ever

mindless shitposting on Anon Babble does not correspond to anything that exists in the real world or else the switch would have bombed and nintendo would be developing games for playstation

I liked Skyward Sword but I emulated the Switch version. I don't know if I would have enjoyed the WAGGLAN.

4x Damage + No Hearts
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I feel like TP gave a lot of soulful dialogue to NPCs

Rentals was the absolute worse fucking part about the game. AlbW was a shit AlTTP. A Link to the shit in my ass

You alright Hyrulean Boy.

no one wants to go back to the old formula and this is easily verified by the fact botw outsold skyward sword TEN TIMES OVER, and botw keeps selling to this day showing that word of mouth is as good as ever

what a nonsensical post. New horizons sold the best out of any animal crossing game in the series and its the worst one, with tons of people decrying it for ruining mechanics and making basically everything worse

I did a hero mode 3 heart ganon amiibo playthrough a while back and it was great, those dudes with the fire arrows were actually a problem in some sections

what a nonsen-AAAACCCCCKKKK

no one wants to play OoT 3, you are a middle aged unfuckable sperg who's the result of a half miscarriage

ad hominem, try again

I remember the cucco all talked like that one cucco you could transform into a human in ALTTP which was neat. Also Ordon has some frogs you can talk to at night that are hard to see. Really the only complaint with animal dialogue was the lack of boar dialogue.

soulful dialogue

thank your local translator tranny for that i guess

unfortunately, Tp alludes to the goat gods in Tears

Ooca.

ERRRRRM THIS IS AN ARGUMENTUM AD DILATIUM IM AFRAID THIS ISNT ACCEPTABLE

lmao

Zelda has like 4 civilizations this text could allude to (it's the Oocca here if we're not doing theories)

AD DILATIUM

kek

make no argument whatsoever and just shit your pants that people liked Ocarina

correct, no argument

why oh why isn't nintendo listening to the FANS it doesn't matter zelda now sells ten times more copies this 40 year old mutt with aspergers has been demonstrating why botw was bad since 2017!!!

they legitimately believe that

its funny how this race was just in one game and then they retconned with SS and then again with Totk.

I prefer 6x damage with hearts since it focuses on individual fights rather than being chipped away. Either way is fine. The best thing about playing with big multipliers is how a single heart container will take you from surviving two hits to surviving three and it feels like a huge upgrade. In a vanilla zelda game a single heart container has no immediate effect like that.

You should also run the 1/2 rupee gain cheat. It doesn't hurt progression; you'll have the money to buy stuff when you want it, but it makes it so you do actually keep every rupee chest you open which feels way better psychologically.
Also the "disable rupee notification" since that's annoying. Oh wow yellow rupee is worth 10? No way!
I can post the codes if you're playing the NTSC Wii version

The Oocca civilization is said to have prospered before the arrival of Hylians, and that they developed materials through magic to form an advanced society in the sky.[8] There is also a theory that they are the Hylians' ancestors and the closest people to the goddess Hylia

you expect me to believe the same sky chickens that get trapped in clay pots created the first civilization?

it makes more money, thus its better

wew lad

I liked the freedom in this game more than BOTW or TOTK.

TP formula

Is it too much to ask for the OoT formula?

I'm not convinced they were retconned with SS, and I'm of the mind that the Zonai in TOTK descended and refounded Hyrule, there have been multiple sky races after all.
Please understand, pots were created after the Oocca created civilization so that their slaves could trap their masters.

Midna has a lot of dialogue you’ll miss out on if you don’t stop and talk to her, she really doesn’t like the mini boss in the lakebed temple

I should've ran that one too, fuck. You know what's crazy? I did the Malo Mart quest WITHOUT repairing the bridge, I paid 2,000 rupees on top of my potion purchases. And guess what? I STILL had a full wallet for both Palace of Twilight and Hyrule Castle. With the biggest wallet, too. Honestly, I never even liked wallets in the 3D Zeldas. They're the one thing I've always disliked.

I can post the codes if you're playing the NTSC Wii version

I emulate the GC version.

If this game isn't proof of paid reviews I don't know what is

idk if you're the same guy from 710926880, but the code I posted earlier for 4x + No Hearts is for GameCube.

I am, thanks for the clarification, I didn't think to ask.

Well you can find the equivalent codes yourself. One warning for damage taken code. Maybe it's Wii only, but if you die at the snowboard minigame the game will crash. So save when you make it to the top of the mountain.

Wallet upgrades are annoying when you know where they are and get them as early as possible. When you don't know where they are, it's torture. Thankfully they wised up in BotW.
According to the wiki, original TP was 300 -> 1,000, while TPHD is 1,000 -> 9,999. What are you even going to spend all that on?!

What are you even going to spend all that on?!

Pay Hena to be my girlfriend.

thats just hiring a prostitute

But a live-in one.

number of fans and critics alike, howver, lament about the current status of the franchise and how it desperatly needs to change up the formula

That's exactly what Skyward Sword was.

lets be honest, aonuma has done irreperable damage to the lore of this series

The HD max wallet is impossible to get without the Wolf Link amiibo, unless you're just using it with a tag.
You have to do a new Cave of Ordeals where you're stuck as Wolf Link to get it. I've never done it, just seems like a bother and honestly fighting 50 floors of enemies with Wolf Link sounds very unfun. I don't hate Wolf Link combat but after the Master Sword, I only used it when I absolutely had to because regular Link is just so much better.

What SS introduces isn't a big deal. I haven't played EoW but the Zonai have caused a huge amount of discourse and have overcomplicated things.

gets decent reviews

It also had the 2nd lowest sales for a 3d Zelda, barely beating Majora's Mask, in spite of having a higher userbase than Wind Waker or the N64 titles.

That's probably what became a green light for heavy changed in the next game. ToTK didn't do as well as BotW, but still did better than every other Zelda game.

What the fuck is Null?
Anyway I thought the interlopers were after Skyward Sword?

the fishing hole in TP was god tier

i was bored to tears doing the equivalent area in Wind Waker. the devs are way too confident in how fun the combat is! because it isn't!

Everything in this is correct except Hero Mode being unlocked from the start, it's like a New Game+ so you still have to do a full playthrough first

Null is something the goddesses made because...something something empty space

In Twilight Princess, a good chunk of the rooms I cleared out by just using arrows or bomb arrows from the starting ledge. The Darknut gank at the end is worse in TP because WW had more fun Darknuts to fight in hordes, while they are better for solo encounters in TP. Overall TP has better combat than Wind Waker because of the sword arts, but it's mostly just "here's 8 different ways to bully your enemies" except for the Darknuts where you have to use them if you don't wanna gamble on jump attack spam.

I like SS but the intro is bad, though not as bad as TP. The game has a very strong middle, and may have one of the best mid games out of any Zelda.
The game did some cool stuff. More impactful upgrades, minor customization (via the pouches
), real time healing, introduced stamina. I'll simp for SS, even if it isn't without problems.

I really like SS's dungeons.

Null always existed. He's a void monster that has just always existed. The Goddesses made creation just to fuck with him.

So Null is now a force greater than Demise/Ganon?

I don't think so. The Void seems very simple to contain. I imagine Null will always regenerate though. It's just an extension of the Void itself.

Why not just play the HD version? By now it emulates better than the Gamecube one, has widescreen + HD textures out of the box, AND THE HARD MODE (and also the ultra hard mode if you use the Ganon amiibo, no you don't need the actual amiibo, just download an amiibo pack)

Does the HD version flip the screen like the Wii version? I remember emulating it and it hurt my eyes.

gamespot gave it an accurate review when it released and they had to deal with the wrath of zelda fans

It's ugly.

Hero Mode does. It sucks because I genuinely hate mirrored worlds but Hero Mode + Ganondorf amiibo actually adds an iota of challenge to TP.

Golden Goddesses create the world. They also create Hylia, who in turn creates Zelda and her bloodline. Demons just exist, of whom Demise is their King. Ganon plus a few of the other big bad monsters are just incarnations of Demise's curse. Alt: Din created the Demons. Skyward Sword Link (or a Link before him) is just some dude. He eternally reincarnates because Hylia has the hots for him. Zonai don't exist outside of the BotW/Tiktok canon (which is de facto its own thing). Also pic related.

Demons just exist, of whom Demise is their King

ummmmmm

Demons aren't from the void.
Nothing is from the void. The void can only create copies of and corrupt things that already exist.

I just thought Demise was the polar opposite of Hylia and the "demon tribe" mostly just consisted of your standard monsters.

Hero Mode + Ganondorf amiibo actually adds an iota of challenge to TP

Isn't 8x damage taken kinda insane though? I know most of the enemies in TP only hit you for a quarter of a heart (so it will be 2 hearts with this), but stronger attacks (e.g. bosses) will probably just one shot you on that mode?

corrupting and replicating a literal demon entity that fights goddesses

Botw was shit. The formula had nothing to do with it being shit

Botw sold worse than ww on the same console

It's not really Ganon, its literally an echo

Well yeah because it launched simultaneously with the switch retard

echoes are only obtainable after defeating the creature its echoing

It's 4x damage. Some examples of damage you'll take compared to the original:

Bulblin archers do a full heart instead of a quarter heart (with green tunic and drained magic armor, they do 10 hearts with zora tunic)

Falling into the void or lava will do 4 hearts instead of 1

King Bulblin does 12 hearts of damage with all of his attacks on-foot. He will one shot you in Arbiter's Grounds

During the first wolf link section, 3 hits and you're dead.

Twilit Bloat's ram does 6 hearts

If you think that's crazy, you should see ALBW's Hero Mode. That game has 4x damage too, BUT the enemies in normal mode don't do pitiful damage like Twilight Princess. Rats will do 2 hearts of damage, boulders one shot you when climbing Death Mountain, and the Dark World? 8 hearts of damage when contacting any overworld enemy. The dungeon enemies aren't too dangerous though, and you can do any dark world dungeon in any order (except for the desert palace) so you can get the Blue Tunic ASAP and halve your damage taken.

The intro is faster, Fi doesn't stop you ever 3 minutes

Actually the HD port didn't remove any dialogue at all except for the low battery message. All they did was let you mash through text and skip cutscenes, and that was enough.

A port selling more than a new game is still pathetic

lament about the current status of the franchise and how it desperatly needs to change up the formula

no I've been saying I want them to make more games like OoT and MM ever since wind waker

her disgusted reactions to the frog boss are oddly cute, i love midna so much its unral

So basically Nintendo is awful at balancing their games, got it
ALBW was way too easy on normal, but I guess that's because you can do to any dungeon whenever, so they just lowballed everything

aonuma has done irreperable damage to the lore of this series

what lore retard, there were never any patterns in the loz series

How about maintaining the Metroid like structure and progression but giving the player more freedom and actual challenge? You can even keep the open world, just use the Elden Ring approach where you have to do certain things first and pass certain chokepoints to reach the later areas.

BotW was a fun game but it's not a fucking Zelda game, there is literally nothing Zelda about it other than some superficial elements like enemy names and fantasy races. BotW is to Zelda what God of Onions is to actual God of War. In name only.

Zelda fans have no idea what they want

The only actually good 3D Zelda games are OOT and MM. The rest range of ok to bad. None of them are as good as OOT and MM. They all have big issues unlike OOT and MM which are perfect.

In Snowpoint you can tell she's holding back an outburst about the Yeti wife giving wrong directions to the key.

Even the half the fantasy races are wrong. The Zora are entirely different and the Rito don't earn resemble Rito from TWW.

stronger attacks

in twilight princess

I'm fairly certain by the time you reach bosses that can deal more than a heart of damage (if there are any) you're already well into the second half of the game. It's surprising that Wind Waker has more threatening enemies than Twilight Princess.

so you just skipped windwaker, TP, SS, and Majora?

It's surprising that Wind Waker has more threatening enemies than Twilight Princess.

enemies in WW do fuck all damage and the QTE counter beats everything, including darknuts. What are you talking about?

I played them all, there was never any blatant connection between them. Any connection was mostly fan imagined.

Shitty overworld design and bad pacing.

Playing as a wolf is not fun.

uh huh

They do more damage, he isn't wrong. The only exception is King Bulblin, who does more damage than anything in Wind Waker EXCEPT Link the Pig.

is... is that a reference to a previous game of the same series!? WHAAAAAAATTT OH MY GOD THE LORE IS SO EXTENSIVE!!!!!!

Shitty overworld design

its a field

THEORY: George Washington

this made boomers shit their pants 20 years ago

god damn

boomer

it's not that old dumbshit

I like it, there just isn't much to do.
I like how its a series of weird plateaus with Zora River running underneath.

theres no lore connection

there is

WOW ITS SO EXTENSIVE, THERES TOTALLY LORE[Sarcastic]

dumbass

While there is connections between the games there might as well not be as Nintendo doesn't actually care. Like for example they would never say make a game that has any character from a previous game show up again or they are never going to make a game say set between Majoras MAsk and Twilight Princess. The connections between the games are basically pointless.

if TP ends up getting some visual upgrade ill be super hype

boomer just means millennial now, dumb-dumb

are you old enough to post here?

this shit is such an obvious retcon, he looks nothing like the OOT Link

Like for example they would never say make a game that has any character from a previous game show up again

They've done that though.

Are you? Boomer posting was all the rage here a few years ago

I mean now. Like they are never going to have a character from an old pre BOTW Zelda game show up in a modern Zelda game.

le meme frog.jpeg

SS and BoTW are two opposite extremes of where to take the series. Exploration is important for the series but so are intricate dungeons and unique items. People were lenient with BoTW because most people assumed it was a stepping stone and that they’d expand upon it in later games instead of selling the same game but with cars

Man I really miss hookshot and combat not sucking.

fishing too

Why do Zelda fans suffer so badly from the need to all have the same likes and dislikes when it comes to Zelda games? Why can't someone put the OG NES Zelda as their favorite? Or Zelda II, Skyward Sword, Four Swords, Echoes of Wisdom, Spirit Tracks, the Oracle games or ANYTHING other than OOT, MM, or Link to the Past? Since when has being a fan of Zelda meant your favorite and most disliked games in the franchise MUST be the same games as the rest of the "Zelda community"?

it's not a retcon if the lore doesnt mean shit.
zelda fans need to get over this.

As much as I'd like to go back, there's no point until Aonuma fucks off and/or dies. The man can't produce a LTTP/OOT formula game to save his life.

autism

I once encountered somebody at a con who said his favorite loz was zelda II and it was a very surreal moment

nah, its just nintendo bias and fear of the fanbase.
8.8gate was a thing.

Here's a compromise: Do whatever with 3D since I don't care, and Aonuma doesn't bring his menu autism to any more 2D games past EoW.

there is no lore.
only retards believe this.
based.

OP you are genuinely retarded.
Do you not understand that there's a middle ground between extremes? And that there's more than one person that exists on Earth and they don't all share the same opinions?

I love the oracle games but I still think Majora's Mask is better.
2d zelda was great and 3d zelda until skyward sword

I unironically prefer spirit tracks & phantom hourglass to OoT

there's more than one person that exists on Earth

You have no way of proving that. LITERALLY impossible.

it's really not since it's obliterated at the end of EoW, I wonder why the goddesses were not being able to do that even though Zelda only possesses a fraction of their power

A lot of people think LA is the best one. I'm partial to OoA myself.

based.
shit on the loretards.
the only time they connected games through some lame weak story shit it was just laziness or fear of fanbase rejection.

Didn't Link and Zelda blast him point blank with the Triforce?

Only transgenders call for spite-based enshittification.

Yeah, they'd never do something like that.

SS was ass.

Who wants to fight the Imprisoned's toes for the fifth time? Who wants to explore the sky, a place the game is all about and find nothing - no other islands worth while except the one with the school? Who wants to have Link with a hat when the hat was formed in Minish Cap?
Who wants to revisit the same area 10 times because you now have a new weapon?

Midna will never EVER return

but at least Link got better at using a crossbow (which you'll never EVER have as an item in a proper Zelda anyways)

The problem is now that Aonuma wants to turn all of Zelda into the same slop. TotK was literally an asset flip of BotW. We're not getting a variety of types of games to form various opinions on. You either like the new direction of the franchise or you don't. And given how long Zelda games take to make now (despite their asset flipping) the trends stay around longer as well.

TotK came out 6 years after BotW. In that same timeframe, we got

Ocarina of Time

Majora's Mask

Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages

Four Swords

The Wind Waker

Four Swords Adventures

The Minish Cap

It's insane to think about.

it's not enshittification if it was always shit.
you people were always the delusional ones.

dilates

Try being less intrinsically evil.

thats not the same person. its just someone with the same name and look. I mean they will never do proper plot or character connections between games. your never going to say get another game with the same people who were in OOT or the same Link from OOT or whatever. Its all just wink and nod tier stuff.

im trying to help you.
theyre never going to take the lore seriously.
it's a fun little videogame series with consistent themes. but it's a game first and foremost.

I tried playing Link: The Faces of Evil the other day and I couldn’t get past this boulder at the start. I then stopped.

It should've been Tingle.

errrrm chud let me tell you how things are now m'kay

Yep, usual suspect behavior.

consistent themes

They couldn't even keep good vs evil consistent without adding MUH ETERNAL DEMON KING and MUH GODQUEEN WAIFU.

that's just set-dressing.
it's essentially the same.
meta-thematic shit.

The problem is that they overcorrected way too hard. Something inbetween classic zelda and current zelda would be the best approach.

it is what it is.

I forgot Null was even a thing.
Echoes of Wisdom kinda sucked ass huh.

transgender has zero standards

Shocker!

Ashei my beloved

I will never not be mad about TOTK rugpulling on both Ganondorf and Twinrova.
I'm not buying Age of Imprisonment because I refuse to pay for the keys they jingled in front of my face and then threw out.

I don't understand what draws you normalfags to this site.

Brainlets

You would never survive a game that had actual dungeons

it's not me, it's them.
your "standard" will never and has never existed.

I found it enjoyable. It's a fun little romp by the team that's only been allowed to do remakes for a decade.

Paid to generate site engagement.
Nothing riles people up like going into a conversation and going "no one cares" to everyone.

im definitely not a "normalfag".
im oldfag 2007 Anon Babble.
just not an autistic retard.
zelda lore desperation is reddit.

It was my favorite 2D Zelda since the Oracle games, I had a great time

by the team that's only been allowed to do remakes for a decade

And it shows in the end-product.
Most forgettable dungeons in the entire franchise.

You don't have standards, so why should I care about you seething over plot?

They imagined something closer to skyrim, not assassin's creed

i-i'm a total oldfag, bro!

Sure you are, sister.

my standards are fun game with wildly inconsistent but somewhat original lore with each installment.
i dont try to pretend they care about anything else.

believe what you will retard, im vetted.

im [trans]

Thank you for confirming, king queer.

my standards are wildly inconsistent

It shows.

The games are connected but they are not connected at the same time.
The next game will explain how Zora's and Rito exist at the same time and how Gorons evolved from being monsters.

enjoy being deeply disappointed for your entire life.
theyre never going to validate you.

except i didnt say that and it doesnt even make sense if i did. clearly my expectations are consistent.

I say a desire to fit in and acceptance. You see it in the Mario, Metroid and Bethesda RPG community too, but it's REALLY bad in the Zelda one.

And we need more people who are fine with you saying that without being hounded on or immediately claiming it's your baiting people.

The next game will explain how Zora's and Rito exist at the same time and how Gorons evolved from being monsters.

no it certainly wont.
this is the problem with zelda lorefags.
they become dishonest and delusional like this. its a sickness.

It was over the moment Link put on a dress. Fugtrap has ruined the switch games for me.

theyre never going to validate you

Don't hate yourself like that, xister...

i didnt say that

If your standards allow for inconsistency, your standards are inconsistent.
You seem mentally underdeveloped given your continued failure to grasp this, so we'll have to end things here.

i can only laugh.
youre the one who will know the feel.

no dumbass, it's consistently inconsistent in that each will have original lore but with similar thematics.

Sex with Fi.

Nintendo shouldn't put interesting themes and stories in their games because they're for goo goo gaga toddlers and it makes people expect more than what they're willing to give

Nintendo shouldn't put interesting themes and stories in their games

outside of metroid they basically never have.

TotK can't retcon anything because TotK and BotW for that matter aren't even canon themselves.

Your dick would be cut.

Zelda is mildly interesting. Hence why this thread has 200 posts and very few images of the female characters naked (which is why it's a shit thread)

Sex with Malon.

yeah it's mildly interesting.
doesnt really have a serious timeline with actual developments like metroid does though.

What a blackpill this game was about game reviewers. They gave it near perfect scores while fans hated it and it bombed in sales.

My dick is harder than steel.

Your dick is harder than steel? I kneel.

I want to fuck NAvi

I want fairies to go back to being tiny girls instead of light orbs.

SS being shit doesn't mean all the games that came before it were too. Journos talked about muh stale formula but a big part of the reason people didn't like SS was because of how poorly it realized that formula. Botw was an (arguably unnecessary) overcorrection. But people were still happy with it because there was this sense that it was nintendo experimenting and trying things out. People were willing to overlook its flaws and the things that it lacked compared to previous games assuming those would be ironed out in the next one. But that didn't happen. totk doubled down on all of botw's flaws and distanced itself even further from the pre-botw games. This made it clear that botw was not an experiment; it was the new formula. So, in addition to the disappointment from totk failing to live up to expectations, it also caused people to reevaluate botw on its own merits as the progenitor of a new kind of zelda game. And lots of people have come away from that deciding they'd rather go back to how things were before.

Yeah this is basically how I feel, though I never thought the "formula" was stale.

Null is unironically a much better addition to the lore than Demise, Null is just a force of nature, while Demise is something that retroactively takes agency away from Ganondorf

SS was terrible because of

motion controls

re-using areas and even dungeons

pacing between dungeons

le whacky characters

Fi

I’d kill for a new Zelda game like TP. It’s been 20 years

Pretty much, but secondaries like to argue in bad faith

I’d kill for a new Zelda game like TP

The bar is under the cement that I used to hide my wifes body. Everyone hated TP on release.

I’d kill for a new Zelda game like TP

same

What disingenous retards don't realize is that BotW doing as well as it did had little to do with the formula itself, but rather it being a switch launch title, if it was an OoT clone it could have easily done mario odyssey numbers

No they didnt.

MC was a retcon too, OoT before it made it so the origin of his hat were the kokiri because they all dressed like that and he grew up there

i dont think this is true.
people bought the switch to play the game not the other way around.

That's how it was for me.
I had a Switch copy of BOTW before I had a Switch.

And people wouldn't have bought the console for an OoT clone?

possibly not.

"Hey nintendo, you've been making pretty much the same game for twenty years. Open world is popular and won't become overdone cancer for another three years, wouldn't that be cool?"

"Oh so you don't like my fire dungeon, huh? You hate my hookshot, fucker? You hate zelda? Oh I'll give you an open world *grumble grumble*"

Makes a shitty ubisoft-lite open world with nothing in it and the worst dungeons and bosses in the series

"Uhm actually I don't think motion controls were that bad I guess and--:

Makes the exact same game again with the same assets

"Okay okay I do like the old games! Please no more open world slop nintendo!"

"Now that's a good paypig. But you're gonna have to buy my remakes for seven years until I forgive you."

Imagine being a modern zelda fan

Who wants to have Link with a hat when the hat was formed in Minish Cap?

I AM STILL MAD

FUCK YOU AONUMA REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

sure thing, chump

>motion controls

it wasnt. Skyward sword would objectively have the best combat in the series if not for the fact it only worked ~65% of the time

Arbiter's Grounds fucked me up. When the Forest Temple knockoff segment starts, you have the choice of going left or right. It looks open. I went to the right, did a full circuit that led me to the left room from a floor up. As it turns out, the left path was a dead end that you can only open by doing said big loop.
Post-N64 Zelda games really do have super linear dungeons. It's bizarre considering Aonuma is the one in control and he used to be the dungeon guy.

Arbiter's ground is particularly linear.
it's probably the most linear temple they've ever done.

Shadow Temple is as much a straight line.

i guess the twilight temple too.

We wanted 3D Zelda formula with less handholding

You don't want that *raughs*

This.

I want Link to never have a slack jaw again.

How does a boring OoT clone filter anybody lmao

test

how is it a clone?

For me, it's BotW, LttP, WW, TotK, and Zelda 1.
Zelda 1 was literally my first Zelda

Same game structure, same overworld/dungeon design.

And that there's more than one person that exists on Earth and they don't all share the same opinions?

There is also a thing called general consensus and until BotW came out, the general consensus was that OoT was the greatest game of all time.

same game structure

what does that even mean? is every zelda game an Oot clone?

More of a sequel that's afraid to stray too far from the game it's a sequel to.
You literally cannot deny that TP doesn't wear OOT all over its sleeve. Now if only Miyamoto didn't kill TP2, then we might've gotten somewhere.

You literally cannot deny that TP doesn't wear OOT all over its sleeve.

I can because it doesnt.

The issue with SS is that over the years they were becoming extremely handholdy with everything to an insulting degree with SS being the straw that broke the camel's back. When people were talking about needing to "Change up the formula" they meant to make dungeons more like they were in things like ALttP, OoT, MM, LA, or the Oracle games instead of continuing like they have been since WW. Even WW had fairly solid dungeons that required you to remember where stuff or doors were.

ALBW shows that they don't really understand the issues and everything onward continues to show that. It's not about being able to do stuff in different orders or however you want. It's about dungeons feeling rewarding, dungeons feeling like they're actually causing you to figure out longer puzzles (Eagle Tower would never even be a consideration by this team for example), overworld exploration limiting you without certain sub items so that it feels like you're constantly unlocking stuff, and keeping old sub items relevant with puzzles and fights.

Give Capcom back the series or something, I mean hot damn. Make the BotW formula be its own spinoff formula rather than -the- formula.

They're all ALTTP clones.

TP doesn't wear OOT all over its sleeve

Anon...you might've doubled your negatives one too many times.

zelda fans are retarded

Miyamoto didn't make Wind Waker.
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It's a linear and railroaded moviegame that strips away all exploration in favor of boring and scripted lock and key puzzles, with a stupid amount of handholding because of your NPC companion that interrupts and stops you constantly. The overworld/dungeon design is the exact same.

boring and scripted lock and key puzzles

funny because the ToT entrance puzzle continues to filter people to this day

boring and scripted lock and key puzzles

every zelda game since AoL

a stupid amount of handholding because of your NPC companion that interrupts and stops you constantly

every game since majora

meanwhile the swimming is better, theres a snow zone, the ganon fight is completely different, theres more combat moves and weapons, and completely different story elements.

theres more combat moves and weapons

I just wish the enemies were more fun to fight. TP improved upon WW's combat by giving you the finishing blow and for some reason it just kind of stopped there.
All those cool moves and nothing that really forces you to break them out.

Fans expected more from Nintendo.

When they saw botw was basically an alpha concept demo, they were like "yeah open world ain't for you chief".

skyrim came out after TP

every zelda game since AoL

The very next game doesn't do that and has almost completely different design from all the others, but okay.

every game since majora

OoT was the first game in the series that handholds the player by treating him like an idiot. MM and WW have obnoxious handholding but it was significantly reduced by WW. TP reverts back to how OoT does it (Midna constantly telling the player what to do and where to go).

To this day I feel like this game killed the old series style. I remember posts about the "Zelda cycle" back then, and how people who hated Wind Waker liked it by the time TP came out, and then liked TP when SS came out, but I really feel like SS is a mediocre game still. The original controls being probably the biggest problem with the constant recalibration and outside of a couple of dungeons (Cistern and Sandship iirc) its design is lazy and uninspired overall. Dungeon retreads. Fi's bullshit. Also the first Zelda that didn't have memorable music and while it's subjective the watercolor style just didn't do it for me. Bleh.

I kind of consider BotW and TotK to be a different series almost, due to how different they are. So yeah SS killed the old formula because they couldn't find a way to build a game around it and simultaneously introduce new tweaks and features to keep it fresh. They were truly out of steam at this time.

meanwhile the swimming is better,

it's barely in it.

theres a snow zone,

its small as hell and it sucks
>the ganon fight is completely different,
sure but the first part is identical and it's not like its better

theres more combat moves and weapons,

useless. game is too easy to ever need the extra moves. many weapons are useless.
>completely different story elements.
it's nearly identical. basically just a reskin.

handholding was significantly reduced by WW

You are a retarded nigger. That is all.

I was imagining something closer to the Legend of Zelda (1986), which felt remarkably "open world" compared to OoT.

SS was always bad

assassin's creed

is that just because of the towers?
aside from that i dont see how it's anymore like ac than it is skyrim

damn, so they wanted even WORSE combat and quests than what we already got?

Even now, it is the worst Zelda game. All my problems with BOTW couldn't stop me from finishing it. But I will never return to SS.

Yeah? Linear Zeldas are glorified Metroidvanias.

Witcher 3 is open world.

it's barely in it.

you mean the entire sequence to get down to the water temple? and the entire lake?

its small as hell and it sucks

its not and youre dumb. The snowboarding segment is the best part of the game

sure but the first part is identical and it's not like its better

yah I remember in Oot when a giant boar charges at you and you use navi to grab its head and throw him into the wall after shooting him in the gem on his forehead. And zelda attacking you with magic

it's nearly identical. basically just a reskin.

yah bro. Remember in Oot when the kokiri vilalge gets attacked by moblins and then you get turned into a wolf? or when you wrestle gorons in death mountian while walking on the walls and ceilings? or when Zelda sacrifices herself to revive a near death navi? My favorite part of ocarina was definitely that part where youre riding around the desert wasteland on a beyblade

This. There's a reason Nintendo went "how can we distance ourselves as far as possible from this trash?"

This is the best Zelda since Majoras Mask.

Zelda is a huge steaming pile of garbage , dead ip

The best Zelda game on Switch isn't even a real Zelda game.
And we're NEVER getting a sequel because Nintendo is ultra gay.

There's a new chink A spam game coming to the switch

SS is my favorite zelda. I love swinging my wiimote sword.

I can't tell if you're stupid or actually think some of Red Lion's snippets of dialogue is anything compared to TP, SS, or OoT. Can you even show me a single moment in WW that literally fucking tells you how to solve the puzzle when you're right in front of it. No, you butthurt retard. The last puzzle dungeon is just showing you the point of no return.

I'm upset we're not getting an HW2. Just add more characters and maps.

you mean the entire sequence to get down to the water temple? and the entire lake?

that's like less than ten minutes.

its not and youre dumb. The snowboarding segment is the best part of the game

that's literally all it is.

yah I remember in Oot when a giant boar charges at you and you use navi to grab its head and throw him into the wall after shooting him in the gem on his forehead. And zelda attacking you with magic

first off, that boar fight is garbage and the zelda fight is literally hte first part of hte ganondorf fight in OOT.

yah bro. Remember in Oot when the kokiri vilalge gets attacked by moblins and then you get turned into a wolf? or when you wrestle gorons in death mountian while walking on the walls and ceilings? or when Zelda sacrifices herself to revive a near death navi? My favorite part of ocarina was definitely that part where youre riding around the desert wasteland on a beyblade

aside from the very opening, which is very poorly paced, it's nearly identical. if you dont see it youre retarded. the 3 and 5 format. youre just highlighting little details like goron wrestling but there are no surprises. zelda-shiek is basically that midna thing but better. and the beyblade sucks ass and the desert is empty as shit.

Have a winning formula for musou

Have the entirely of Zelda

Could pull any characters from Zelda's long history of games

Make not one but TWO fucking BoTW tie in games

Fucking monkey's paw man.

I wouldn't call it an alpha but I don't understand why people are so vehemently against calling BOTW a tech demo.
It was the first attempt at an entirely new approach. It was supposed to be a learning experience, figuring out what does and doesn't work.
I don't even know what they're going to do for the next game now. They're sticking with the new formula but they've given zero indication as to how they're going to iterate and improve on it. What the fuck can open air Zelda do besides BOTW? This is what TOTK was supposed to give us some insight into and it failed spectacularly.

nah nuh-uh nah

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B-BOT!

NTA but you lost

first off, that boar fight is garbage and the zelda fight is literally hte first part of hte ganondorf fight in OOT.

theres more to it at least

zelda-shiek is basically that midna thing but better

theyre completely different, both emotionally and plot wise

the beyblade sucks ass and the desert is empty as shit.

wow, wait until you ffind out what deserts look like in real life

aside from the very opening, which is very poorly paced, it's nearly identical

you havent named a single thing thats identical

This is what TOTK was supposed to give us some insight into and it failed spectacularly.

what are talking about?
obviously we're going to get more of that kind of emergent experimental tool-set type gameplay. it was a natural evolution of botw.

Can you even show me a single moment in WW that literally fucking tells you how to solve the puzzle when you're right in front of it

The torch puzzle in Ganon's Tower.

The intro is faster

How so?

Imagine caring about toddler puzzles

It was BOTW's Mario Galaxy 2.
Just more BOTW with less story.

theres more to it at least

it's worse.

>zelda-shiek is basically that midna thing but better

yeah its different, but similar and also worse.

>the beyblade sucks ass and the desert is empty as shit.

there was a desert in OOT and it played to its strengths.

>aside from the very opening, which is very poorly paced, it's nearly identical

literally the game's pacing. the 3 and 5 temple format. same themes for the dungeons. same story beats. worse ending with the sudden gannondorf twist.

omg who cares bro lmao stop thinking bro just turn your brain off kekkkkkk

Retard.

You posted in a zelda thread

Who cares about puzzles in the series known for puzzles!

but it had more story though.
it just wasnt new.
if botw didnt exist it would be much better received.
its objectively just the superior game.

I'm just talking about Botw and Tiktok, both are huge disgraces to the IP. Literal puzzles for toddlers.

more is worse

ok

its similar but different

ok, youre retarded

there was a desert in OOT and it played to its strengths.

and it was still empty

the 3 and 5 temple format.

what does that even mean
>same themes for the dungeons.
yah, remember that ancient egyptian tomb in ocarina? or the snow hotel? or my favorite, the castle in the sky where you clawshotted over open air

same story beats.

youre just lying at this point
>worse ending with the sudden gannondorf twist.
I'm sorry you literally cant read

theyre fun.
not supposed to be super hard.
usually the trick is right in front of you, that's how the best puzzles are.

Nah Echoes of Wisdom was lame. My least favorite 2D Zelda for sure.
The amount of tedious repetitive rift sections makes the tears of light sections in Twilight Princess look quaint. They kill the pacing and they're everywhere.
The echo gimmick has its moments (summoning armies can be fun) but it ends up getting stale. The game feels too one note because it relies entirely on one gimmick. It doesn't feel like you're "playing" as Zelda, it feels like you're playing as Tri and Zelda is just a vessel. Having 2-3 other staves with their own spells would have done wonders.
There are certain echoes that are just completely broken and can beat every single puzzle. For a while it's the water blocks then you get the clouds. Very poorly balanced much like BotW/TotK.
The dungeons suck. I can't even come up with criticisms of them because they were all insanely forgettable.
Tri is easily the most boring companion in the entire franchise, no personality whatsoever.
Story just sucks. It has no juice. All the characters are lame, and the plot is unexciting. Huge downgrade from previous 2D games.
"Prime energy" is dumb as fuck, it's clearly the Triforce, why not just say Triforce?
I couldn't even tell you who the villain was.
Soundtrack is on the whole very forgettable.
Visually it's an asset flip of the Link's Awakening remake while somehow looking even uglier. Characters are lifeless as fuck, no expressions beyond tiny smiles. Way less expressive than A Link Between Worlds or even the DS games, which were on much weaker hardware.
It tries to be a return to form in some ways but Grezzo was simply not talented enough to pull it off. They're a remaster/remake developer and it shows. They weren't being paid to be creative.

TOTK's content was spread too thin.
I blame Fujibayashi for trying to make the sky happen again, they should've focused on the "depths = dark world" thing instead of making three layers.

retard who likes the OoT formula is a retard

Imagine my shock.

The bar for puzzle quality was already really low before botw and totk

show me this, but this example doesn't count because it just doesn't okay?!

You are jewish.

Kiwi farms

But enough about OoT clones.

Oops, the bots noticed the thread.
Goodbye, bros.

1.it is worse if it isnt fun and isnt as cool.
2. its more similar than it is different
3. it was empty but it wasnt pretending to be anything else
4.3 early temples green red white, 5 later temples.
5, spirit temple, hotel and sky city are hte only two original ones and still not as cool as shadow temple.
6. no im literally not. its clear they ripped the pacing right off of OOT.
7. no it was shit. i know it was foreshadowed but it emasculated the main villain at the worst time. it was shit.

depths = dark world

What the fuck are you talking about?

No, you but you certainly are stupid. But I shouldn't expect much from someone jerking off TP pretending it isn't an OoT clone because they re-added swimming lmao.

kek

idk what he's saying but i agree they should have integrated the underground more into the narrative seeing how huge it is.
also done more with the sky islands outside of the tutorial zone.

The Depths should have just been the entire game.
It's a great concept that got poorly executed due to quantity over quality.

not supposed to be super hard.

Literal puzzles for toddlers. Not fun.

it is worse if it isnt fun and isnt as cool.

its the exact same thing but you have another attack to avoid. how is that less fun or cool?

its more similar than different

its not at all? Zelda doesnt disappear from the game, she's sheik. TP zelda disappears and your companion almost dies because shit gets fucked

3. it was empty but it wasnt pretending to be anything else

how was TP's desert not pretending to be a desert?

spirit temple, hotel and sky city are hte only two original ones and still not as cool as shadow temple.

Temple of time. palace of twilight. If youre going to bitch about the water temple or forest temple being in lake hylia or the deku tree then WW is a clone too

6. no im literally not. its clear they ripped the pacing right off of OOT.

pacing means absolutely nothing. The story beats are completely different

super hard puzzles are boring.
theyre supposed to just be noggin joggers.

NTA but I remember seeing this one circle around.
Take the word of a journalist with a pinch of salt, though, not a single interview/quote segment actually mentions the Dark World.

WW, TP, and SS are what happens when you put the guy who was behind OoT's puzzles in charge of an entire game. Aonuma simplified the formula, removing things he didn't consider essential (branch points where you can do a few dungeons in whatever order, for instance) and adding things that he thought made the intent clearer (every boss is fought with that dungeon's item). Just about every complaint people have with post-N64 3D Zelda is a complaint with the execution, NOT the formula.

Sure, so.,. Majoras Mask and Echoes. Botw and TikTok treat you like a fucking retard, borderline offensive design

how is that less fun or cool?

im getting tired of this because its so obvious to me. but the original ganon fight is just so much more epic. also more fun and less awkward.

its not at all? Zelda doesnt disappear from the game, she's sheik

that's essentially the same thing. the world gets fucked instead. it's actually more interesting in OOT, but similar.

how was TP's desert not pretending to be a desert?

its really big for no reason.

Temple of time. palace of twilight.

both are trash. forest temple was more interesting and less monotonous. twilight palace is simple as shit.

pacing means absolutely nothing. The story beats are completely different

you dont even know what that means. they beats are the same.

I just think that you can't be a Zelda fan if you enjoy BotW/TotK.

well i am retard.
i was starting to hate the series after SS and TP were so disappointing.

skyward sword is such a weak entry that it can't even hold its own hate thread

Pitiful game, truly.

GREAT! I'LL GRAB MY STUFF!

but the original ganon fight is just so much more epic. also more fun and less awkward

ITS LITERALLY THE SAME THING, THEYRE BOTH DEAD MAN'S VOLLEY

no dumbass, the pig part.
that's ganon.

then theyre clearly not the same, because Oot starts with the tennis match

THEYRE BOTH DEAD MAN'S VOLLEY

I haven't been keeping track of you two's autism beaming but you're mixing up your Ganons with your Dorfs.

no, they both start with the tennis match.

OoT is Tennis with Ganondorf, escape from the crumbling castle, and humanoid Ganon.
TP is Tennis, QTE Quadruped Ganon, Horseback battle, and Swordfight.

then what the fuck are you arguing about? The pig fight is different from Ganon's final stand

the pig fight in TP is trash.
it's awkward and boring. a weird waiting game as wolf link (the worst link).

I tink Zeruda get stale, so i make Windu Waika.

You hate Windu Waika and tink it fo babies, so i forrow OOT and make Tuwairaito purincess.

Ooooo but noooo now you hate TUWAIRAITO PURINCESS. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA NOW.

WELL YOU DONTU KNOW WHATTU YOU RIKE!

SO AT E3 I MAKE MORPHU WITH TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSU AND WIND WAIKA CARRED SKYWARDU SWORTU

AND YOU DONTU RIKE SKYWARDU SWORTU TOO. YOU ROVU WIND WAIKA AND TUWAIRAITO PURINCESSU NOW.

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU WANT!!!!!?

DATS WHY I MAKE Wii SPORTS AT REAST KIDS AND MOMS WIRR ARWAYS RIKE IT!!

In hindsight, maybe TP should've actually sucked OOT off harder and made Ganon go last. Giving him the entirety of East Hyrule Field to try mauling you to death in would've been kino.

worst ganon fight was BOTW.
why the fuck did they make him completely stationary when they had that whole field to work with? i have no idea.

I wish Dark Beast Ganon wasn't a glorified turret.

WW shamelessly rips off OoT, it's just unfinished so structurally it only got 80% of the way. To say WW is more original because they threw in a dogshit triforce hunt at the end is dumb.
Item-wise all but two of WW's key items are ripped straight from OoT. The two being the deku leaf which is very similar to the deku mask glide from MM (right down to the flowers), and the grappling hook which is just a slight alteration of the hookshot (which is also in the game for some reason). The wind waker itself is just the ocarina again except you have to tediously control the wind (which was streamlined in WWHD).
Meanwhile TP has the ball and chain, spinner, gale boomerang, and dominion rod which are all unique. Even the returning items are used in fun ways. Iron boots are magnetic, clawshot was turned into double clawshot which is rad as fuck, and the bow with the hawkeye or bomb arrows is super satisfying to use. I can't defend the slingshot, it's dumb, but at least you don't use it for that long.
Story-wise WW is full of "member OoT???" moments. TP is also but at least its original elements are more interesting than WW's (like the Twilight realm). Tetra is basically just Sheikh again, except at least in OoT we knew Zelda as a character during the first act, Tetra's change to Zelda just ruins her.
People just see Epona in TP and think Epona = OoT so therefore TP is less unique. Even though Epona was barely relevant in OoT in the actual game, you could ride her in the small Hyrule Field and jump over the bridge to the desert and that's it. TP's Epona has horse combat, actual horseriding sequences during the story, and you can ride through a much larger portion of the map.
Basically people are more attached to aesthetics than substance.

Meanwhile TP has the ball and chain, spinner, gale boomerang, and dominion rod which are all unique

all of those are useless though.

it's still the same shit and got dumbed down even more. only the shirt color of the faggot protagonist is changed.

The ball and chain is based.

if youre retarded.
megaton hammer is based too then.

MonolithSoft was too tired from doing everything else for them

They wanted a beast vs. beast battle but also wanted to "kill off" Midna for a bit so I guess it had to go 2nd.
The first phase was actually pretty fun so it was shame they made the 2nd one a movie. And then they did it again with TOTK though that one was more cinematic and there was more of a fight earlier on so while still being disappointing, it ended on a good note with the Zelda catching sequence. TOTK's story was still complete garbage though.

megaton hammer is based too

Yes.

they both suck.
at least WW had an original look and had lower expectations of itself.

megaton hammer is based too then.

Yes.

WW

Original

It rips off OoT harder than even TP the only difference is the ocean

Megaton Hammer is super based. Actually every item you get that can be used as a melee weapon in place of the sword is based.

i mean if you lower the bar, sure theyre both based.
the reality is that theyre both useless cosmetic weapons.

Gale Boomerang is fine
Ball and Chain is a glorified powder keg
Dominion Rod is the control song from WW
Spinner is could've been cool but it's underutilized, slow and weak

well if you go by my standards

No.

i said look dumbass.
it's a cartoon.

the dominion rod is a direct upgrade to the command melody because now you only have to wave it around once to control something instead of playing the same melody twice per room

WW had an original look

Emphasis on had, as it now shares its look with six other Zelda games.

WW looks like unfinshed dogshit yes, I agree.

im being objective from a game design standpoint.
it's literally nothing. a slightly more inconvenient sword. used very rarely for niche purposes like two times.

useless cosmetic weapons

Can't beat ganon without it

b-b-but the biggoron sword! the giant knife

YDNBTG tier weapons.

well if you consider me an objective source of facts

No.

im being objective from a game design standpoint.

You're too brown to understand objectivity.

that doesnt make it much better.
still boring as shit and useless generally.
not quite. it's still unique its way.
taste issue. but i can understand that. TP is an ugly game too though. horrible textures.
you certainly can beat ganon without it.
biggoron sword is cooler.
i mean youre free to be wrong, but youre delusional. youre falling for a trick.
im white and youre retarded if you dont get this basic concept.

The wagglan is good for the fights. Beating Demise using the nunchuk parry is great.

The Ball & Chain destroys the armos in Temple of Time without having to get near them.
It also makes the dynalfos stunlocked.

okay.
but not necessary seeing how the game's combat is easy as shit already and it's a slow weapon to use.

I'm tired of this meme that Zelda games aren't allowed to have items that serve specific functions rather than being general purpose. Most Zelda games have items that only have a handful of uses. Sometimes even only 1 or 2 required uses. The raft in LoZ, the spells in LttP, the spells in OoT, a lot of the masks in MM, etc. Hell the newest Zelda games have taken this to an extreme and stuffed your inventory full of junk items.

still boring as shit and useless generally.

its not useless if the entire temple is literally built around using it, you idiot

but not necessary seeing how the game's combat is easy as shit already

Makes it easier which is a good thing and the Armos are shit enemies up close.

raft was kind of stupid but it fulfills a better role. it's not just anotherr weapon.
the spells in Alltp are cool, theyre like the goddess powers in OOT. it's a different thing.
Most of the masks are shit.
yeah one temple, and a shitty one at that. also it's like the whole thing.
sure.

I don't understand the average Anon Babbleermin tendency to be as reductive as possible for no personal benefit.

Hiro needs site engagement to get ad money :(

its just honesty.
the game is broken from a difficulty perspective.
TP is way too easy.

and it's a slow weapon to use.

its almost as if its a giant metal ball that weighs more then links entire body

What I mean by this is that encounters should be easier if you use your items smartly. I do wish TP was harder so more people would use the items smartly, but the fact that item interactions exist is good. It's one of the best things about Wind Waker's enemy design.

Bots, pajeets, retarded. Take your pick. Anon Babble is basically the only board that will be so reductive
they defeat their own point

that's a trick dumbass.
it's almost cosmetic. it's not a different kind of gameplay. just slower.

do you thing broadswords and Zweihänders are "tricks" too? do you even know what weight is?

your brain doesnt work if you think im defeating my own point here.

TP also has an original look. A lot of the designs are weird as fuck. Everything twilight related is completely different from OoT. It has plenty of visual callbacks to OoT but so does WW. If people can credit MM for having a distinct tone and style despite being an asset flip, then TP can also get that credit on top of having original assets. It's sure as SHIT more aesthetically distinct from OoT than TotK is from BotW.
If Zelda had continued down the "dark fantasy" road instead of lightening up then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why do you continue to engage a person you feel the need to ask that kind of question to?

no, but theyre not pretending to be anything other than alternative swords stupid.
that's why the biggoron sword is cool.
nah TP is just sort of generic mid 200s color drain art style. it leaned too hard in the wrong direction. it had potential though.

This was cool as fuck honestly.

You are.

the spells in Alltp are cool

By your own flawed logic all the spells are worthless because they don't serve any purpose beside extremely niche uses

it really didnt

no im definitely not.
you just want to think htat.
no the spells are AOE type weapons. it's very different.

I can't believe this is the last Ganon boss fight in existence.
I'll never forgive Skyward Sword.

ATTP is so easy you literally don't need them you could remove magic from the game and nothing changes

that is sort of color drain.
that is a very dreary color pallet

it's harder than the one's that came after it.

They need to make a traditional zelda that start with a 2 hour tutorial or fuck around with handholding and babyshit. Just hardcore drop you into the world and let you figure shit out for yourself and make the dungeons hard to find and brutal.

Bottles exist so the items are kind of just there as get out of jail free cards if you didn't get potions or fairies.
ALBW's hero mode was harder than ALTTP.

you could remove magic from the game and nothing changes

And so Zelda was never saved from Turtle Rock, the end.

The real answer is a 3 pronged approach. Many older franchises have 2 active styles of games: those based on their gameplay from the 8 bit and 16 bit eras, and those based on whatever big changes were made in the transition to 3d. Mario, Sonic, Metroid, and until BotW, Zelda being prime examples.
What I'd love to see is Zelda evolve this into 3 main styles of games. Classic top down 2d style, Switch era "open air" style, and also bring back the traditional linear dungeon focused 3d style. I don't think it has to be an either/or situation, but unfortunately I don't think that Nintendo sees this as a successful strategy.

calamity was jumbo phantom ganon

guy in totk is demisedorf

guy in eow is just a clone

hot fusion moms relegated to be musou bait

everyone is sick of a character that hasn't appeared as himself in years

Ganonbros, things are NOT looking good right now.

It's funny that Mario can do it but Zelda can't.

>Now fans want them to go back to the old formula

They don't want the old formula, they want someone to hold their hands and appoint where they want to go, in the exact linearity the old formula had, even considering the old games never were as linear as they thought, maybe with the exception of Twilight Princess, but that game had bigger problems than that.
Honestly, the only things I could think Skyward Sword was superior than Breath of the Wild are the better defined antagonists and the soundtrack.
And I still recognize Breath of the Wild problems, especially with the breakable weapons and the lack of exploration over the lore of the series. For example, the Triforce basically turned itself into a decorative item on shields and uniforms.