How can Doom be saved? Is it even possible at this point?

get someone talented who actually loves the classic games to make the sequels. this marvel inspired slop they've been churning out is completely soulless

Doom 2016, Eternal, and Dark Ages is bad

50% of Doom 3 is good

wat

Doom does not need saving

Your faggotry, however, is a done deal at this point. You cannot be saved from your faggot cocksucking ways. I'm afraid its nothing but taking cock and being an absolute flaming homogay fagbag for you from here on out.

it doesn't need to be saved. it has arguably the strongest, most influential retro community that exists and just got a decade long reboot trilogy. the answer is to let it go off into the sunset.

make Doom 2016 2 and remove glory kills and the the thing that gives you infinite ammo

Doom needs no saving. DOOM is ETERNAL. as long as there is a electronic device with a basic processor doom and its mods will live one

edgy dogshit that’s a compilation of everything a 12 year old boy would think is hardcore and “mature”

old games endlessly adulated by retarded nostalgiafags and brain dead secondary parrots trying to fit in

new games are pathetically embarrassing Warhammer ripoffs with some of the most cringeworthy garbage ever written in them

It deserves to die and finally stay fucking dead. The Doom Guy X Isabelle showed how huge of faggot tryhards you limpwristed basement dwellers are

How can Doom be saved?

Castrate all Doom cucks

since op is a faggot, what's you favoutrite FPS games Anon Babble?

doom the dark ages

ok but seriously

Bring back Carmack. Stratton and Carmack could make good games. Get rid of Hugo Martin, he's too high off his own farts and Marvel.

Bring back Romero

This would make it worse.

Yeah, just make classic Doom with better graphics and level design quality on the same level as the better megawads available.

id is incapable of doing this though.

Carmack didn't make games. He was only interested in the engine and technology. Lol. Bringing Carmack back would change nothing except make the next version of id tech more efficient.

I played 2016 yesterday after not having played it in about 8 or so years. I liked it back then but this time it was boring as fuck
repetitive as hell, explore > fight in room > rinse and repeat. next to zero level design in the actual combat encounters, they're just jungle gyms you speed through to chase after enemies and all of them bleed into one another
levels feel too sprawling for their own sake, and it falls into the old PS3 game trap of 'listen to this invulnerable person ramble for ages' shit as pseudo-cinematics
also no idea why chainsaw is a weapon you can hold instead of it just automatically coming out as you press G
overall a 7/10 if not lower. no desire to go back to it after 3 hours

You can always replay the classics.

Ah yes the typical retard response. Carmack had a lot of input on the games you stupid newfag. He was the one that wanted Doom 3 to be dark and horror like. He was also a the one that wanted Quake to be Eldritch themed and was always bringing up the Elder Gods. Keep resorting back to your "CARMACK WAS ONLY THE ENGINE GUY" bs.

Moron.

Just play wads.

stfu marty

explore > fight in room > rinse and repeat.

This is literally every Doom game you idiot. You can describe nearly every FPS game this way as well. Do you think Doom 1 had some sort of riveting gameplay? It's exactly this except you find a color key for a door and you chuck and shoot behind a wall or circle strafe something.

And none of those have sold Doom numbers.

He was the one that wanted Doom 3 to be dark and horror like. He was also a the one that wanted Quake to be Eldritch themed and was always bringing up the Elder Gods

based carmack

IT'S MAM, DOOM MARINE

Doom Eternal and FEAR

do the weapons of nu-doom games or are they too different like the "story"

the difference is that in the original Doom enemies are sprinkled everywhere
in 2016 combat only really seems to happen in very obviously designed combat arenas, like with the gore nests
in the original every corner is potentially dangerous which puts you on near-constant high alert
Doom 1 and 2 are dungeon crawlers at heart. idk how I'd describe 2016 in comparison

And?

DOOM Eternal and DOOM 2016. Fuckin' love'em.

Those are just shitter versions of Doom

Doom 1

Potentially dangerous

LMFAO just another retarded brazilian, doom 1 enemies move at a snails pace and repeat the same sound sample telling you where they are, there is nothing dangerous unless *FALSE WALL OPENS UP WITH TONS OF CHAINGUNNERS BEHIND IT*

WOW! AMAZING DESIGN

you fags are insufferable

Something is missing with the reboot. Not the same atmosphere, not the same aesthetic, I replaying Doom 64 and it feels awesome. All the old games have that sense of claustrophobic, lack of light type of scary. New doom is teletubbies type of scary.

??
Carmack hated video game lore/story/whatever with a burning passion. Before working for ID the only games he liked were Nintendo stuff and PC dungeon crawlers. That's why he also hated Half Life and Valve so much, since Half Life was so big because of it being a story structured game. He had zero artistic input in any game he has ever worked on, and Quake's HP Lovecraft stuff came from Peterson.

not bait. not a huge fan of key hunting, mazes, hitting a button and trying to figure out what it did, and levels that are abstractions (Doom vs Build style levels)
need to give EYE, Metro and Unreal another chance. Half-Life was good up until I got stuck at some radioactive shit area with a giant latter

And you can only love to sniff those farts for having such a shit opinion
You fags only hates 2016 now because its associated with eternal and ark ages...probably the most bitch ass reason to hate something LMAO

Doom is fine. Wolfencuck is the series that's irreparably fucked.

carmack alone made doom 3 and then rage while almost nearly killing doom for good. noty

idk how I'd describe 2016 in comparison

It's an Arena Shooter, but single player. Same with Eternal. TDA is a Musou-Shooter.

Holy fucking contrarian dude.

i said it's average not that i hate it, glory kills, slow walk, forced cinematics, a side weapon with cooldown, a cheap upgrade system that you unlock everything by the end and wub wub music mixed in, it's like a zoomer version of quake 2, i'm honestly still surprised you don't have to reload weapons after a few shots

Doom will be fine, it'll still be here long after you're dead and buried

lmao and you probably only started liking Doom 2016 when you had to fight the Marauder in Eternal (who's not even hard). Get filtered.

metadoom is epic

Doom 1 + 2 is good enough that I haven't used a different source port in a year.

what makes og doom novel has basically died out in the modern industry. the simplicity of making your way through a single self contained level/dungeon in one shot, the only extraneous engagement mechanic being an acknowledgement of finding secrets, that conceit is basically dead. modern developers are fully focused on explicitly segmenting games to extract as much engagement as possible, they have very little care for the novelty of a cohesive, organic structure and won't accept the sacrifices that design entails, player tedium of starting over a level, less control of the individual components of a level.
asking how can we save doom is missing the forest for the trees, need the entire industry to shift.

I have not seen 1 person mention that the Cosmic Baron's head looks like a clitoris.

what were they even thinking with these shit designs
i thought reddit nigs hated lovecraft because he's problematic

This guy gets it and the devs at nu-id are very transparent about it. My tolerance for these big progression systems has been highly exhausted by nu-Doom. Put the Skinner Box stuff away and hire actual level designers.

fucked up how this stuff hasn't existed since the N64 and RE4
in nu-Dooms [and all Dooms] you can shoot their toes or hands and they won't react to it for shit

The Lovecraftian elements of TDA are about as superficial as it gets. Maybe I was too harsh on Bloodborne for merely making the Old God monsters killable, which at the time I thought was clear evidence that that game doesn't get the point. In Dark Ages, you literally tear Cthulhu's head off with a Pacific Rim mech in a stupid masturbatory cutscene so the target demo of 12 year olds can soi out at how epic and cool it is. It's all just there because manchildren like the aesthetics.

Doom 2016, Eternal and TDA are better than the originals.

So I guess we must go back in time and fix the originals and turn them into QuakeDoom.

it's already been saved

not a single modern gamer wants to spend time running around looking for keys or buttons in their FPS game. the worst sections in doom TDA aren't the mech or dragon sections its the "find the 4 buttons to drop this gate so you can progress" puzzle sections. even playing TDA where those sections are a rarity they stand out in stark contrast compared to eternal where they instead rely on movement puzzles to break up the combat sections which is a much better solution for breaking up gameplay than backtracking through areas looking for different color skulls or keycards.

Doom is saved, though'steverbeit. The flopping of The Dark Ages means that you niggers will finally start to distance yourself and be disinterested in the name, and maybe with time, things will heal to the point that when people talk about Doom, it's actually people talking about Doom. Like it's funny seeing you people wither and whinge, and meanwhile, I can just go onto Doomworld and check the latest map releases and IMMEDIATELY get something cool that's fully playable in 32-person co-op with all the gameplay altering mods I could desire, providing an infinite number of play experiences. I see today I'll be enjoying Ember Horizon, why you get to enjoy...nothing! lol! lmao!

Deserved punishment for you only caring about Doom when the big faceless corpo license holder is involved, lolololol!!!!!!

Going full Bethesdaslop mode.
Think about it, an open world UAC base on Phobos and open world Hell. You run around, collect necessary items to continue the main mission, slaughter demons by the metric fucktons.
Why not?
WHAT DO WE POSSIBLE HAVE TO LOSE?!

yes of course. keycards. that is the true reason why we cannot ever have level based games and everything needs to be a sequence of walled of arena counters. never mind I take back everything I said.

create clones of og id to make actual doom 3

level based games

the fuck does this mean

a sequence of walled of arena counters.

siege. resurrection. there are plenty of maps in TDA that have no "sequence of walled encounters" and they are all worse than eternal's linear maps.

Was Urban Chaos the cop game where there is a riot going on and it was on some demo cd? You played as some negress

that's just Urban Chaos on the PS1, Urban Chaos is a PS2 game with no negress

I didnt even know it had a sequel. I remember playing the demo a lot

Nu DOOM > Le Boomer Shooter DOOM
Don't @ me, grandpa. Go take your joint pain medicine and take a nap

I like both. (Except Eternal)

HOW COULD BETHESDA OWNERSHIP AND BLEED OF ALL THEIR TALENT POSSIBLY HAVE TURNED ID INTO PETTY HIGH-SCHOOLERS UP THEIR OWN ASS

HOW COULD OPENLY AND ACTIVELY ALIENATING ALL THEIR TALENT AND CHASING THEM OFF FOR DARING TO TAKE ATTENTION AWAY FROM "THE BRAND" HAVE HAD NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES FOR ID AND DOOM BY EXTENSION

I JUST DON'T GET IT!!! HEIL HUGO MARTIN

(Except Eternal)

whats your all time favorite fps game

Enemy Territory

2016 is the only bad Doom game.

Echo Point Nova, ULTRAKILL, Half-Life 1-2, Team Fortress 2, DOOM Eternal/The Dark Ages/1/2, STALKER Anomaly

Doom 2016, Eternal, and Dark Ages is bad

Correct. They're not Doom. They're marvel slop trying to leech off the reputation of the Doom name despite having nothing to do with it.

that conceit is basically dead

No? It's just not a precept of AA/AAA shooters and hasn't been for 25 years. The entire retro-FPS subgenre is built around it, though, to varying degrees.

What’s the hook for EYE? I booted it up a few years ago, saw the character creation screen, said “nope” and never booted it up again

Also isn’t it supposed to he similar to Deus Ex with the rpg stats?

There's plenty of retro shooters nowadays.
People hated how FPS games degraded from actual level design to scripted hallways, retard.
And retro shooters are still popular.

Would love them to let some indie studio take the IP and make an new school boomer shooter with it like Ion Fury

It's funny Anon Babbleermins focus on trying to trash amazing games but don't trash the actual trash. Really makes you think. Like, Nu-Doom are crazy good games, some of the best ever made even.

If Doom '16 and Eternal were Marvel slop then Doom 3 and Doom 1/2 were also Marvel slop of their time.

The only way you can save Doom is by making selling IPs illegal. You can't just make any dogshit and slop the name of a brand on it because you paid someone for the rights to use the name.
nuDoom games are completely unrelated pieces of shit with zero relation to Doom. They just call it Doom. Any random person could make a video game and call it Doom, except they would get in legal trouble. That's the only difference.
Franchises should die with their creators. There should be a hard line after which you can no longer call a video game the name of a franchise, like if 50% of the original devs are no longer involved. Once you've lost the majority of the devs it's no longer Doom. Call it anything else. If your dev team has 0% of the original devs, you're not even in the conversation. Fuck off.
Video games should retroactively be stripped of their names if they were made by another dev that just got the rights to the name.
Only this will save Doom. No one is ever going to make another Doom game. We know who made Doom and those people aren't working on anything called Doom.

What’s the hook for EYE?

gaining brozouf

so a cover shooter is better than eternal?

actual level design

as in, big flat map with maze design? you think there is a mystery reason that nobody makes these anymore besides open world devs other than that they are shit and nobody wants to play FPS games in them?

seriously, the og Dooms were several things. Niche was not one of them

i got lost

ok brainlet

Doom the Dark Ages is genuinely kind of insulting in how obviously it DOESN'T want to be Doom but still has to leech off the name itself for relevancy
Nothing about the game had anything to do with Doom, it's just a string of generic "badass" dudebro shit everyone puts on covers of their generic metal band albums mixed with capeshit - spiky gaunlets, superhero landings, captain america shield but with LE CHAINSAW, retarded weapon that grinds up skulls because its BADASS and shit, flying a EPIC DRAGON with EPIC LASER WINGS that does EPIC LANDINGS, stomping around in a big mech, punching Satan, doomguy being a mean violent motherfucker who is also LE HEROIC - it's just a bunch of crap that makes "manly" millenials cream their pants but has nothing in common with the original idea of doom.
Trash.

cover shooter

Enemy Territory

Hell Doom was big enough I heard it mentioned a couple times in Mystery Science Theater 3000 and those guys were already in their 30s and 40s when they were making the show in the 90s.

if i get lost then it's the main outcome of failed level design. i don't get lost in eternal.
and tell me how its not a cover shooter just like e every shitty retro fps where you shoulderpeek AI bots walking back and forth in the hallway over

Doom the Dark Ages is genuinely kind of insulting in how obviously it DOESN'T want to be Doom

I genuinely don't understand how people feel this way about TDA and not Eternal or even 2016. I liks all three games, but TDA is no less classic Doom than Eternal. None of them are classic Doom.

over thirty years old and still beloved

still has fans around the world creating new content

still getting official new content like Legacy of Rust

runs on literally anything so you have no excuse to not play it unless you're Amish or something

survived the controversy of the Columbine shootings

still better than the new games

Doom doesn't need saving.

Still the king.

Yes, nu-doom is marvel slop. Original Doom was not marvel slop, it was just a shooter. Retard.
No, there is no "mystery reason". It's because game devs got replaced by suits and their employees unable to see shooters as anything more than "walk forward and shoot enemy with gun". No secrets, no thought to level design, no atmosphere, just shoot retarded bots until they stop spawning.

Maybe consider that my opinion is the same about these games too?

and tell me how its not a cover shooter

And you tell me how I know you have never played the game. Zoomzoom is really strong in you. Go try it but get dont use the steam version, its fucking shit. Just google 2.60b, find a server with no bots and come back then. Its honestly amazing and has nothing to do with your cover niggery like you want to claim and will probably still keep on claiming because god forbid you could be wrong in the internet

muh its not doom

nobody cares. the game could be called "space viking badass 1" and it would still be just as good. you grampas can go back to playing the old games

nu-doom

Doom 3 released 21 years ago, anon. There's a bigger gap of time between Doom 3 and Eternal than there was between Doom 2 and Doom 3. Doom 1 through 3 were also very fucking definitely not "just shooters," they were hyper-sensations of their time. The exact Marvel slop you're decrying.

Doom 2016 is a refresh of Doom 3's ideas and Eternal a try at walking back to Doom 1 and 2's tone. Dark Ages is the biggest thematic and intentional departure from Doom 1 through 3 of any of them, people really do not want to give nu-Doom any kind of credit at all.

nothing
eternal was too much
and dark age is just them making not a doom game
they should start with quake since its harder to fuck that up

What does Eternal's tone share with the original games?

Silly things against a backdrop of seriousness. You pick up a chainsaw as an Evil Dead reference, for crying out loud.

literally just make 2016 with more enemies on screen and better multiplayer

2016 with more enemies on screen

Does it matter how many enemies are on screen when you just line them up and one-shot with Siege Mode anyway?

the only other "silly things" I can think of take place in the secret levels
otherwise its a pretty straight-faced scifi horror shooter

Didn't know Barrels o' Fun or Tricks and Traps were secret levels.

Every written chapter intermission is action-movie stuff, and not serious action-movie stuff. Also Daisy.

All new games are faggot shit why should I be surprised nu-doom is faggot shit?
Doesn't make doom 1 and 2 any less based. Anything beyond 64 is shit, 3 included.
Also, play doom 1 and 2 in VR, shits incredible. Same goes for quake and quake 3

Imagine being so fucking stupid you think comparisons to the marvel "cinematic universe" style of entertainment media means nothing more than "was popular at a time".

Doom WAS the MCU shit of its time.

Too much gameplay for you to handle grandpa?
Too difficult huh?

I like the most difficult dooms with the most focus on core gameplay

Hurr you must not like gameplay or difficulty chud

Why are leftist nigger lovers like this?

TDA gets really fucking good when you enter the Cosmic Realm, but it's the last quarter of the game for some reason instead of being the focus.

Too much gameplay

new ones have cutscenes

Lol.

what's wrong with the skull gun?

doom very literally was a sensation in the same way as the MCU was
just because it wasn't written by joss whedon doesn't mean it wasn't absurdly popular and prevalent and informed a huge amount of other media during its time
i don't think that the style of entertainment is what we're complaining about here if we're deliberately avoiding painting the original doom games with that brush

t. got lost in the original dooms

yeah i like doing that

ngl I got pussy because of that Animal Crossing thing. Bitch kept yapping about how I was Doomguy (lol) and she was the Doggie

Needs no saving, WADs are forever

have you seen most of the demon designs?

The big three would be

Halo
FEAR
Classic Doom

I keep going back to those games each year and always reach the same conclusion: Damn this games are good.

Not a single series has improved since Microsoft bought it lmao.

up to and including the cacodemon being lifted straight off a D&D lorebook cover lol

It's a weird as fuck game that grows on you. You'll be appaled by it and eventually will love the freedom it gives you to do overpowered bullshit. The grind is brutal doe, that's why I only played through it once

The new Indiana Jones game is the best one in ages

fans making original doom mods daily for purists

new games releasing every few years that sell great

What needs saving? Oh wait, this is another rage bait thread, right?

le cover shooter

Holy shit you zoomers are fucking retarded. Now I see how the nuDoom youtubers got their audience.

that sell great

Does he know?

Cacodemon looks like a flying tomato, the pain elemental looks like a meatball with arms and one eye, the arch vile looks like a Martian cartoon alien, the imps look goofy and have abs, the cyberdemon has big ass cheeks, baron looks as if he's wearing brown pants, the arachnotron is a fucking Kraang and pinky has a huge bulging forehead and is "like a shaved gorilla"

legit do not know where the fuck people come from when they say doom is a super serious game

We need more introspective troonslop wads where you don't shoot demons and every map is entirely purple or blue

hold spacebar, sure your parkinson fingers can handle that

got lost

can't blame you. maze level design is archaic and dead for a reason.

not a cover shooter

see

it's definitely not too serious, but i do agree that it should keep it's identity and not try to be marvel or 40k

Having played every single DOOM game since the original windows 95 shareware I can say that 2016, Eternal and the Dark Ages are all solid. They all interpret “doom” differently but none of them get it wrong and all of them are fun games made with passion. People overthink the shit out of these games. Their essence is addictive violence that feels cool, looks cool and doesn’t take itself very seriously.

I don't get lost in games that never let me go 5 fucking seconds off the beaten path.

damn crazy

you are dumb as shit, "sis".

complain new doom games are normieslop

original games were normieslop of the 90s

begin to whinge about trannies

classic Anon Babble

why are you intentionally trying to misconstrue my point about level design that favors puzzles and maze-design being shit and trying to put words in my mouth

there is a reason nobody makes games FPS levels with confusing layouts anymore, it's because nobody wants their FPS games to have cancer puzzle sections or sections of gameplay centered around looking for resources.

It's inarguable that slop was better before the 2010s.

says most retarded thing imaginable

classic tranoid mental illness

grind in an FPS

Is the gameplay fun to compensate?

Thing I like? Based, NEETcore, niche. Underground. Thing I don't like? Cringe, trannycore, oversaturated. Pandering.

>slop slop marvel slop capeshit!

>SOVL TRVVVKE

How is this buzzword babble not reddit speak?

Is it even possible at this point?

on Microsoft's control

No, it's doomed.

There has never been a bad Doom game

Doom 3, Doom 2016. The other 2 were lost cause after 2016.

There’s wads like that?

constant self-exceptions until the differentiation is meaningless

What I said about Eternal isn't that exaggerated.

there is a reason nobody makes games FPS levels with confusing layouts anymore

Mass market appeal for tasteless retards. Same reason they have mandatory pacebreakers.

It's almost always seething about that My House wad.

Not a particular high bar before that, you got tricked thinking an average game feeling better due the slew of low quality releases of the series. Best Indiana Jones game is La Mulana

What are you talking about ?

Why would there be seething about it? Everyone thought it was cool when it came out, yet I don’t recall it starting any kind of trend

point out that new doom games are marvel slop for their tone and writing

reddit tourist starts squealing that um actually old doom was also marvel slop because it was popular like marvel

Commit rope

Consume , Consume , Consume! Nothing is ever bad , everything is always good!

I also have played Every Doom Game. So what? No one cares. Just because you are 57 years old doesn't mean you should drag actual Good games down along with the bad. You don't have the reflections you used to have. The Dark Ages was shit. The Pary Marvel tier shit slop with zero gunplay and Movement besides lazy autolock for the console babies. Boomers or Fags with shit taste always do this. They put everything in one basket , the Fertilizer Shit near the fruit.

see the word reddit used

MK ultra programming kicks in

start calling things reddit myself and also everyone that made fun of me in math class needs to heckin rope themselves for being a cringe subhuman degenerate

Serious Sam

enemy territory is better than eternal

og doom is better fps than a game where aiming matters and where the gameplay isn't 50% exploring boring irrelevant and pointless environments

people who enjoy challenging shooter aspects more than pulling levers and looking for keycards are "tasteless retards"

can't believe how cope filled the average boomertard's brain is from years of contrarian brainrot affecting it. if either doom 1 or enemy territory released today it would have 30 metacritic score. there are phone games with better designed gameplay than either game.

They all interpret “doom” differently but none of them get it wrong

No, they all get it wrong.

Bait used to be believable.

saying nostalgia goggle retards are coping is bait but saying people who want challenging FPS elements are "tasteless retards" is not

Wads are made to this day and the modern games while having nothing to do with doom but wearing its skin have their own loyal audience

The Dark Ages was fucking fun to play though. The parry mechanic feels visceral and satisfying, the guns all scratch a different itch, the environments are diverse and audacious, the challenge is there too. This anti recency bias bullshit is so exhausting.

I condemn bad games that lose their souls - MHW, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil - but DOOM has not suffered that fate.

key hunting, mazes, hitting a button and trying to figure out what it did, and levels that are abstractions

I haven't played most of your list (not very big into fps), but Metro is none of these

I want a challenging FPS!!!

nooooo these levels are too confusing! I just want to play a game where I press the awesome button and get free heals!

Bait used to be believable.

Unreal tournament

challenging shooter aspects

Eternal is literally just spamming cooldowns and weapon switches to win. There are 2 enemies in the entire game and DLC that demand anything other than constant mobility and spamming. I'm sorry, but I don't think Eternal's combat is fun or varied enough to say that classic design ought to be abandoned. You're exemplifying the reasons that Eternalfags are routinely shit on by everyone else when it doesn't happen to any other corner of the fanbase. Like dude, your time has come and gone and you still can't help yourselves but antagonize and pretend that game's shit doesn't stink.

Imagine they made nudoom with UT04 movement and without spastic weaponswitching.

... literally what the hell about the parry mechanic is "satisfying"? It's the laziest system I've seen in a long time. By default even on high difficulty the parry windows are huge and don't need any real precision, and then you just do some simple animation. It's trash.

I condemn bad games that lose their souls - MHW, Final Fantasy, Resident Evil - but DOOM has not suffered that fate.

It did, redditor. It's not Doom.

If that considers no story/plot faggotry you'd have a top tier Doom game right there, son

constantly misconstruese my point or misunderstands it while crying out bait

Eternal is literally just spamming cooldowns and weapon switches to win.

post unm

I don't think Eternal's combat is fun or varied enough to say that classic design ought to be abandoned

but it IS abandoned, nobody is making games where you waste time looking for levels or boxes of ammo. meanwhile indie games are ripping off nudoom left and right where you get resources by killing enemies and you are quickly guided from one monster closet to the next.

Eternalfags are routinely shit on by everyone else when it doesn't happen to any other corner of the fanbase

calling people "eternalfags" then going on some tangent traumadumping about how people who enjoyed eternal is next level personal problems. eternal is simply better than other nudooms, and comparing in the modern day, easily better than doom1-3 and acting like some game designed 30 years ago can't be shat on by the modern iteration is just nostalgiafag cope.

no story/plot faggotry

DOOM 16 is as much as i'm willing to accept without the gay voiceover shit in hell

It doesn't need saving. Brutal Doom is still one of the best shooters.

but it IS abandoned, nobody is making games where you waste time looking for levels or boxes of ammo

Dusk, Cultic, Forgive Me Father, Turbo Overkill, Amid Evil, Wizordum, Project Warlock 2, Boltgun, and a bunch of other various boomer shooters, including ones in development. Again, bait used to be believable.

The term "MCU clone" involves more than just being popular, zoomers.

it looks so fucking good, wish they remade it with the eternal mechanics

even doom 3, remake it with the eternal mechanics and demons, i'd play the shit out of them

Ashes 2063 and Afterglow mogged all FPSes

you get resources by watching cutscenes with invincibility

ftfy

haven't played any of those but i think ultrakill is more culturally significant than any of those. nudoom is less of a boomer shooter and more just a linear shooter with a combat loop that is independent of any resource economy attached to exploration. nu-wolf is probably closest to any of those games when it comes to the gameplay loop similarities

Make a direct sequel to 2016. No bullshit.

am I the only faggot on the planet that didn't like Afterglow due to the non-linearity and the increased focus on NPCs?
I feel like Ashes works best when it's linear and focused

what does it say for your argument when majority still prefer "cutscenes" to running around boring maps

ultrabuttplug

culturally significant

So?

Well have you looked at global IQ trends? Could be better.

waaaah i have to switch weapons

just grow the fuck up lmao

Give me your best

culturally significant

Being more popular with normalfag children is not a strong indicator of a game's quality.

trying to invoke faggotry but is so overtly concerned about giving a fuck about fanbase

keep moving the goalpost

you argued that everyone is rushing in to make games with outdated designs that i outlined but i guess not really?

me contrarian me high IQ

Eternalfag can't read

breaking news

congraz, you have just independently arrived at the logical conclusion that old archaic design tropes like making a fuckhuge map with random nooks and crannies you HAVE to explore is in fact shit design.

You asked what it means when people prefer cutscenes in the middle of gameplay. This and the cultural significance thing make it seem like you genuinely believe something is good when the masses say so. That's not good man.

r u stupid pendejo? Doom can run on anything nowadays. Long live the king!

paradox games, games like factorio, dwarf fortress, or any kind of automation games are more popular than og doom and are more complex mainstream games. you are just coping that the fact that nobody makes games using shit, outdated designs those designs are secretly too high IQ for the masses, not because they are shit, outdated designs.

keep moving the goalpost

Are you retarded? You said it was abandoned. It isn't. Prodeus, Wrath, Amid Evil, Hrot, Cultic, Dusk -- these are all recent games. Ultrakill being more "culturally significant" doesn't mean anything. Dusk and Amid Evil in particular got quite a lot of attention for indie games, regardless of how they stack up to Ultrakill in popularity. Call of Duty and Halo are more significant than any of these games, even Doom Eternal and The Dark Ages. So what?

Call them niche, but they aren't abandoned and there's certainly an audience for them.

those are all indie games with peak player counts in 4 digits, they are abandoned. dead games. dead design tropes. dead map design principles. just like arena shooters are dead, and no having 500 daily peak in qc does not change that.

meanwhile nudoom is still very much alive and kicking, and you just cant figure out why they dont design their gameplay to revolve around looking around a big boring map instead of feeding you addicting combat gameplay.

it's popular so it's good

I like tactical shooters.
Escape From Tarkov
Ready or Not
Ground Branch
Arma 3
Squad
Grey Zone Warfare
Rising Storm 2 (R.I.P. RO2/RS1)
Insurgency
Insurgency Sandstorm
No More Room In Hell (if that counts?)

its popular so it's bad

play Receiver and Receiver 2. Blood is good too, feels like a middle-ground between a regular 90s FPS and a more tactical game

Half-Life
Duke 3D
Duke Zero Hour
AVP2
Killing Floor (1)
Unreal 2k4
Doom 1/2
Quake 1
Turok 2
Deep Rock Galactic
Cultic
Team Fortress Classic
TF2

Northern Journey

Ashes 2063

Timesplitters 2

Good fuckin' picks

and you just cant figure out why

But I know why. I've always known why. I've said in prior threads that after 2016 and Eternal that I'm surprised that The Dark Ages (sometimes) gets as close to classic Doom as it does. That doesn't mean classic FPS games are abandoned. If anything they're a lot more active now than at any point after the 90s; even some WADs have attracted a surprising amount of attention.

Yes, they're indie games. Again, so what? They aren't dead.

If you told child me that this cool tech would never return again, you'd depress the fuck out of me. Back then we just assumed everything was getting better and better.

Concord

Ok, whatever.

the fact they're not dead is not my point. pretending that you're higher IQ for enjoying gameplay in FPS consisting of looking around every corner for secret buttons just means you enjoy that particular niche despite it being outdated and not very good design for what the genre nowdays tries to achieve ie. addicting and exciting action gameplay. the exploration is still there but it's delivered in the form of 10-30sec puzzles where you push a button and a box drops from the ceiling and you push it into a square hole to unlock the next monster closet. ive already said it before but i would rather just discard this as well and go back to eternal where you instead have movement puzzles that are even faster to solve and still keep your "movement fps senses" tingling

What a gross mischaracterization based on a couple of facts. Most enemies don't make noise unless you've already disturbed them. And some don't even leave their hiding places unless they see you directly, depending on how they're flagged. It's more than a little possible for Doom monsters to get the jump on you. And it's more up to map design to put them in situations where you aren't perfectly equipped to do things like chaingun snipe them from across the map.

I'll always hate this quote

it's not that important

yeah, to YOU Carmack, you codemonkey faggot. who is he to define what is and isn't important to games?
the only thing that's important to a game is whatever the creator wants it to be

They should really just make a new Hexen. Or get Nightdive to touch it up like they did to DOOM and Quake.

Auger;Zenith

Alien Vendetta (still the pinnacle of all megawads)

Scythe 2 (gets flippin hard last 10 or so levels but still mad fun and great level design)

Speed of Doom (hard throughout but still fun)

Eternal Doom (puzzles will piss you off but it's unique in it's own special way)

Eviternity 2 (gets kinda boring towards the later part but level design is top notch)

Plenty more out there if you research through doomworld. I've played some others like Plutonia 2 and TNT Devilution which were both decent, and I still haven't played Ancient Aliens yet.

Scythe 2
Ayylien Vendetta

Ancient Aliens

Just play boomer shooters created recently by indies instead, you'll have more fun.

Can someone name a good wad released in the last 5 years. Besides meme myhouse

Banger OST.

Zeppelin Armada

/thread

You're forgetting VFR

Auger;Zenith was released in 2021

Going Down. Still my favorite.

Imaginarium and Birdsong

Just make a fucking FPS again. No weird gimmicks, no focus on melee combat. Hopefully make it not require a 5090 to run too. It can't be that hard can it?

Have Old Doomguy suddenly appear and kill off NuDoomslayer before he can finish some marvel oneliner.

no shit retard, its HIS quote, with HIS opinion. thats all it is.
and i agree with it. every game could replace a story with better gameplay and all games would improve. most game stories could be replaced with slathered walls covered with feces for equivalent environmental storytelling anyways

Overboard

Here's my full list that I didn't dump on my previous post because there's fair number of games here that aren't first-person.

It's really fucking hard for indie devs to not shove some gimmick in there. You need that USP, according to your collage professor

Based. For me? It's Goldrush.

My nephew likes watching me play megawads like these because he says it reminds him of Minecraft.

What the fuck is a USP

Yes, popularity with normalfags is not a good measure of quality. You're starting to catch on.
Was 50 Shades of Grey some sort of masterpiece? Is Ready Player One some sort of genius IP? Are Marvel movies high-class cinema?

I was trying to find them on YT, and it turns out Birdsong was made for Interception originally. The more you know. Here's the artist's video: youtube.com/watch?v=CaJBAt0an44

Unique Selling Point/Proposition. Basically the thing/gimmick that makes your product or service stand out on the market

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_selling_proposition

This guy also made the soundtrack for Heartland, pretty good as well.

beat Doom

enjoyed E1, didn't really like E2/3/4

feel weird about playing wads because I don't really like the base game that much, feels inauthentic for lack of a better word

I hate having autism. I just see the base game as a very good base to add onto, but the actual original Doom game as is has some pretty mediocre level design outside of E1

Sounds gay and retarded

Anon Babbleiggers start talking about my precious doom

fuck off and go back to bitching about jeetshit gatcha#92840958324 or some other barely disguised fap thread
why is this the ONE time Anon Babble shares its garbage opinions on vidya its for MY doom

Heartland

Dang, thanks for reminding me. Gotta add that to the backlog.

That's why collage professors like it

That's not really that uncommon. Knee-Deep is peak Doom. I'm pretty sure a lot of people consider it the best collection of levels in Doom, at least as far as official content goes. I like most of the first Doom, but there's no denying that the first episode is by far the best and some of the best FPS level design out there.

Yes, popularity with normalfags is not a good measure of quality

see

I didn’t like eternal but didn’t really get into it but I’m enjoying dark ages more than 2016. There’s more going on then just shoot glory kill shoot glory kill shoot glory kill. And weapon swapping doesn’t make you good, go play halo infinite MP if you want to care about that shit. It’s just part of the genre and shouldn’t be seen as skilled. Weapon swapping is the most basic shit ever

Yeah you can save your game in Doom.

Pirate Doom II

New entry not doing well?
Remaster the original one, consumers are dumbasses anyways

I was obviously speaking in the context of AA/AAA. I know there are small doom clones out there in the indie/fanspace. Did you ever think for a second that I was actually unaware of that?

How can Doom be saved?

Firing hugo.

When I heard the Monkey Island OST I knew that shit was my jam

how dare people discuss good games on Anon Babble?

1 was better

ultrakill is more culturally significant

only attracts to former tumblrites faggots and trannies, there's nothing culturally significant about it

This thread really is just people getting autistic about what constitutes as "muh real Doom". Say what you will about the autistic Warhammer 40K knockoff story and Hugo's retarded obsession with it, or bitch and moan about parrying, but it's still pretty Doom underneath that slop. Oh, but we gotta take the broad strokes and utter that EVERYTHING past Doom 3 is not Doom, because it just isn't, okay?

Fuck off already.

I love cityscapes.

but it's still pretty Doom underneath that slop.

Dark ages was so fucking garbage and gay, it's hard to call it a doom game at this point.

So DOOM!Demons aren't meant to be actual demons from Hell at all? They are just red, spiky, flesh-and-blood extradimensional aliens led by a big guy in Devil mecha?
Wasn't one of the major complaints about that dreadful Doom 2005 live-action film that they removed the supernatural elements and turned the enemies into generic alien zombie monsters?

doomguy is literally a demon now

who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

It doesn't need saving. It still gets plenty of good WADs. Zoomers should stick with Fortnite.

likes dusk and blood

those dislikes

that is some MASSIVE shit tastes, but I respect your opinion

Wow, we've got a live Valve playtester here.

tell me how getting lost is good level design in FPS

Doesn't need saving. The original game is already immortal.

Shut the fuck up

I'll ignore any retcon that tries to make the fantasy elements mesh better with hard science fiction (midichlorians, I'm looking at you). What a boring desire people have to try and make everything rational and science-y. There's enough straight sci-fi that you don't have to do that with every series.

Are Marvel movies high-class cinema?

A few of them are.

Demons are still from hell. But it's being exploited and cyberized by aliens and later by the UAC. Honestly the story is retarded and should be ignored

But Doom has been saved. It was saved in 2016. Now it's a major AAA title again. A new Doom game came out just this month, and just last year the first two original Doom games got a quasi-remastered re-release on all platforms to great acclaim.
Doom as a franchise might not be the behemoth of PC gaming and a cultural icon milestone that every person with a home PC has a copy of anymore, but it's certainly far from needing to be saved from a death in the wilderness like it was for the 12 years between 2004 and 2016.

I would like DOOM TDA way more if I could play it on mouse and keyboard I think. I strongly feel this. I played 200+ hours of Eternal on PC and I am assblastedfuckbukkake'd that consoles don't offer M+KB support despite it just being some missing .ini files or something. I hate playing games like this on controller

all these apologists ITT

See you in a few decades.