Party member seems unusable on first glance

Hector isn't great but he's just easy to use from the start (and he's cool so people ignore him falling off)
Eliwood is about equal to Hector and surpasses him later but he's harder to use

Hector isn't OP, I wouldn't even call him great. But he's way better than the Eliwood tier lord people meme him as. What really offends me isn't people shitting on Hector though because there are a dozen better units in that game, it's the ridiculous glazing over Eliwood who's mediocre as fuck.
I swear every kid gets him on Eliwood Normal, bulldozes through a bunch of knights and arena grinds him, remembers that experience then proceeds to force feed him experience for the rest of their life when they return to HHM when he's really pretty fucking awful.

I think Lyn is even better than Eliwood. At least she has the speed to double so in good matchups she'll probably kill or heavily damage the target. Eliwood's bases are so bad and growths so shaky that in most cases he'll do a single low damage poke with his sword. Which leads to no momentum when it comes to leveling.

hector is decent early and can be decent late if you train him; if the final boss rolls 40 atk then hector is by far the best dragonslayer
eliwood's biggest contribution is being the third best mounted unit capable of carrying hector around the map after promotion, however he only has 7 movement

I think Lyn is even better than Eliwood.

Lmao

Reddit isnt so bad after all.

Glad you agree that Eliwood is so laughably bad that even a shit-tier unit like Lyn is better. That is the only thing I can take from your post as you have posted no argument.

He's right though????

eliwood is bad but he's not lyn bad

random scribbles on an image

NAM GET OUT

If your plan is to have canas going around dragons gate without the +5 speed of his promotion then you can change my "peaks midgame" rating to "never peaks"

Sorry my shitty phone being shit.

ELIWOOD

Crits one of the several early game axe enemies

IS

Doubles a pegaslut since he's one of the only units with a speed stat for several chapters

BAD

Hits cavs for most of their HP

GUYS

Accurately stabs a nomad with 14 might

I

Is guaranteed to get at least good speed, strenght or defense from his growths

SWEAR

Supports Hector the fastest, making both of them walls

IT

Promotes into a mounted class

They're both bad and should ideally never see combat but in a case where you're using either, at least Lyn might be able to contribute something if you lower the standards bar enough. The bar would have to be on the floor for Eliwood to be considered able to contribute, though.

Is guaranteed to get at least good speed, strenght or defense from his growths

thats not how math works

scrimblomaxxers are known RNG riggers, a 5% growth is a 100% guaranteed growth to them if they wanna win an argument on the internet

Why do Eliwood glazers glaze the most boring lord in the series?

EliBEST

Crits one of the several early game axe enemies

Oh yeah, that 10 crit from his rapier is doing wonders

Doubles a pegaslut since he's one of the only units with a speed stat for several chapters

Everyone can, those steel lance carrying fuckers have like 0 speed

Hits cavs for most of their HP

He most certainly can not unless you're playing a modded version to return Japanese effective damage

Accurately stabs a nomad with 14 might

Well yeah but now you're confirming you're talking x2 which means the previous thing is definitely not happening

Is guaranteed to get at least good speed, strenght or defense from his growths

7 base speed and 40% growth, that is super unreliable. 30% defense isn't bad in GBA emblem though

Supports Hector the fastest, making both of them walls

Eliwood is not a wall

Promotes into a mounted class

With only 7 move because god forbid anything is as good as a paladin

He has lower odds of not proccing these stats than Lilina has of not proccing a mag growth.

Because hes a high C tier and the C-B debate is the interesting one because its the cutoff between deployed and not deployed.

Being contrarian is fun

I remember during the relay we had a blessed Eliwood and everyone was just laughing about how awful he was. Now we have people unironically trying to argue this shitter is good

Hector is the OP one

lyn can one round a knight t1 in dragon's gate
lyn > eliwood

supports

hector is being carried to the throne

eliwood is jobudding with merlinus

???

just spam end turn

ALSO she kills a nomad on the very next turn
lyn is S tier

I mean it still has 6 levels to go.

FE: Blazing Blade or whatever its called spams spearmen like crazy of course sword niggas suck for most of the content. Hector is the real chad of the game.

Not every map is a capture, in rout, kill boss, and defend maps hector gets to join the jobber crew.

The real lords of FE7 are Marcus, Kent, and Sain

My friends used to call him Lord EliCaca / Lord EliShit basically.

and lowen

lyn needs JP eff. bonus and crits in order to kill with her rapier

frailer than paper

BUT AT LEAST SHE CAN DOUBLE

doubling is kind of free in FE7, even a somewhat cursed eliuudo can do it

Seriously why are movementfags so annoying

eliwood has always been a coin flip character so people can't decide if he is good or not

Mov GODS we're just too powerful

Marriage with Marianne!

the elifaggot fears the moveGOD

Eliwood needs all those things too, he has 1 (one) more point of strength than level 1 Lyn mode Lyn. And you have to pray that those level ups you feed him early on proc a few speed gains. Please play HHM at least once.

Brown girls are the best

Mov GODS we're just too-ACKK

10 crit

Yeah, that's 1/10 attacks before adding in his skill, which brings it closer to a 1/6.67 chance to crit every attack. It's nowhere near negligible.

those steel lance carrying fuckers have like 0 speed

Bartre can't, and most units can't double the Iron lances ones.

12 might? That's le bad!

Sell the Silver lance then

14 might accurately on a nomad? Who cares?

t. misses the Merlinus gaiden village and misses the Aion gaiden.

7 base speed and 40% growth? Unreliable!

I guess Kent is slow now, I never knew. Damn, those FE7 enemies must be speed demons.

Eliwood is not a wall

With Hector support he is. +3 def/res is a lot.

7 mov

Still a mounted class with Canto, mounted rescue formula and with very high rescuing capacities.

I think rapier makes eliwood better than the three baseline cavs at least.
Wolf beil, mani katti and rapier are one of the few methods of boss killing early on and they make for good cav/knight killers too

He's a sword locked, level capped infantry unit. If he gets some decent levels early on, he'll be a decent mage killer, but even Matthew has more utility than him until then.

retard kun...

Bartre can't

Bartre has the same speed growth as Elishit. If you've been leveling him at all, he can easily double the obese pegs

Gilliam would have easily tanked this

Bartre needs to double to average 1 hit per round

Matthew is fucking insanely good, even if he generally should stay the fuck away from any combat. Too much loot is tied to him for him to be below A tier

Growth

He has 3 base vs Eligood's 7 base. That's a 4 point difference that Bartre will literally never catch up on.

Nah they pussied out and buffed the axe hit-rates after FE6 so with WTA his hit rates again weighed down pegs will be around 100

i did and he ended up alright for the entire run. consistently reliable enough. lyn, on the other hand, depends on str growths with her fucking life

More like 73.

What the fuck were they thinking when they reduced effective weapon damage?
Didn't they notice that it was a much bigger deal for players than for enemies?

Sloppa Hapi in this?

I am SERIOUSLY tired of pretending eliwood is bad

god i need to get a peg girl train run on me

I don't even get your point do you actually think Eliwood's hit rates are better at WTD?

Hurf durf, Florina got oneshot. Nerf effective damage

Even with that she's still a contender for worst pegaslut in the entire series

rapier is one of the best boss ki-ACKKKKKK

Yeah, that's 1/10 attacks before adding in his skill, which brings it closer to a 1/6.67 chance to crit every attack. It's nowhere near negligible.

You add HALF skill. He stats with 5. He gets 2 points of crit from his skill. Then subtract enemy luck. Do you even play these games?

Bartre can't, and most units can't double the Iron lances ones
Bartre is a pathetically low bar and if you're going there, you're lost. Eliwood can't double the iron lance ones either, 7 base speed bro.

12 might? That's le bad!

Sell the Silver lance then

I never said it was bad (and it's 14 might, not 12, 7x2), I just said it's not nearly killing cavs.

I guess Kent is slow now, I never knew. Damn, those FE7 enemies must be speed demons.

Kent is 45%. And yeah, his speed isn't particularly impressive.

B-b-but people say he's the speedy cav!!!

14 might accurately on a nomad? Who cares?

t. misses the Merlinus gaiden village and misses the Aion gaiden.

Oh so now you're going back to knowing the rapier's effective might is 14, why do you keep flip flopping? Plus I never said it was bad so why are you schizoposting?

With Hector support he is. +3 def/res is a lot.

It's not bad but it's not wall tier, I wouldn't use him in the front lines

Still a mounted class with Canto, mounted rescue formula and with very high rescuing capacities.

Yes, that's nice, but you have many others who are better rescue bots earlier on

Better than Bartre's, yep.

???
you know we are talking about a game right

posts an example of an obvious throw

Kill all movement shitters

obvious throw

yeah, no idea why he was using elishit

Yes. The Rapier is stupid accurate, and Eligood has good skill unlike the fighters (and an untrained Hector, but ch11 makes that basically impossible).

movement shitters wouldnt even use him though

USE THE FUCKING AVERAGE STATS CHART INSTEAD OF PRETENDING LIKE A DROOLING RETARD THAT WE’RE PLAYING A 0% GROWTHS RUN

Kek, I was about to put effort into a reply for that fag, but that sums it up pretty well. Thanks, anon.

just baby him and feed him tons of kills and pray!

No, I don't think I will. Bad unit.

BUT LE GROWTHS

You're a bad player.

Yes movement shitters would reset the run when marcus or sain die to a crit lmoa

substract enemy luck

in the game where every generic has 0 luck

asking someone else if he has played the games

OHNONONO ELIGOD HATERS DID WE GET TOO COCKY???

On this merit he's better than the three Cavaliers in the game

I love this thread. Anon Babble contrarianism so strong that we're pretending Eliwood of all units is good.

no one here has played the game besides me

NOOOOOOO I MUST BE DISINGENUOUS AND PRETEND EVERYONE DOES 0% GROWTH RUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to kill yourself you waste of oxygen. Take a cyanide pill and end it.

You're using a unit at all? Heh, that means you're babying them

The classic metafag cope. Try playing the game instead of sucking on ltcock

1 star exp rank player

The most expert fire emblem player

NO NONONONONON WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHA

0 luck was a mistake being back FE6 hit rates

Eliwood is terrible and literally only saved by having an amazing promo (suddenly cav utility, now has access to javelins for easier catch up) and an actual good final weapon since the base mt is high as fuck AND he gets +5 str.

I would rather have a lyn mode Lyn, because by the time eliwood is decent it doesnt wven mattwr any more. Atleast a trained lyn could help in some of those earlier levels.

theres literally no reason to use eliwood after the erik rout map, the only exception being maybe dragons gate

anything outside of that can be considered babying

You got him anon!!!! 12 crit is definitely 1/6 crits

Palla's tits feeding Catria and Est

muh contrarians

not an argument

Well you're just wrong. Iron axe is 75 hit, so with +15 from WTA it has 90 and, and counting in his base skill and luck, it's 102. For Eliwood to use his rapier against a pegasus (which I should add will be considerably weaker than an iron axe and his poor strength), he gets his 95 hit reduced to 80, before adding in skill and luck, which then brings it 93. So yes, Bartre is more accurate than Eliwood with WTA

FE 7 was my first game after the 3DS introduced me to the series. It was nice to see a thief that wasn't a one note pervert retard like Asugi or Niles.

Its more metafags pretending they have well thought out opinions instead of just copy pasting someone else’s opinion. Thats why you can shatter them so easily. For example the anon pretending eliwood will have his base stats the entire game because he cannot even discern what level on average the lords will be depending on the chapter being discussed

I accept your concession.

No. Citing 20 year old old Gamefaqs and Serene threads isn't an argument.

lmao btfo by someone who actually plays the game

an actual good final weapon

Nigga he gets weighed down by 7

Not every unit has to be an overpowered juggernaut anyway. He functions perfectly fine for his role.

NTA but come on dude. Eliwood is literally right in the range of being RNG screwed on most of his stats, theyre all like 40-45%. Thats why you end up with Eliwoods that are fast as fuck but hit like a wet noodle and vice versa.

This is comming from someone that puts afas drops on eliwood half the time because I swear to god there is something in the code that makes it good with him, he should only get 1-2 stats but for some reason he always takes off for me when I do this.

forgetting Eliwood support bonuses

forgetting rapier

Once you reach like 14 AS, you can double a lot of things in 7. Lyn is mostly carried by the fact that getting 5* funds in Lyn mode requires you to feed her the bulk of combat due to the Mani Katti having 0 cost and enough uses to last you for the rest of the arc.
Once you get to the main game proper, she becomes a 45 use wonder that you have to baby for the rest of it.

Awakening and Fates really suffered in characterization. I'm honestly surprised the Switch games dodged the issues introduced on the 3DS because I thought they trend of having to cater every unit towards being marriage viable would be an anchor forever but a lot of the pre-3DS units like Matthew have their existing relationships doing heavy lifting

Marianne and her girlfrind are my wives

I just played through the whole game and didn't use Eliwood
ergo, he is FFF tier unusable dogshit
argument over

Yeah man, Eliwood having a coinflip's chance to start doubling enemies besides soldiers and steel lance peg knights after you feed him eight levels worth of exp is so good. Your pet unit is garbage and you are terrible at the games. Enjoy Eliwood normal mode.

Who the fuck cares about that? Just don't use it if there's a risk of dying on the counter while enjoying its massive might when it's safe to do so.

true

Really?

I didnt say it isnt flawed. Im saying that it can fix a low str/high spd eliwood instantly. Its easily better than the other legendaries

Literally the only person who is talking about 0% growths is you. I get that you're having an episode but come now.

ye

Reminder we got this Roy during the FE6 relay, and he has almost the exact same growths and Bases as Eliwood. This is your god

Hector loses 3 AS from his and Lyn loses 9 from hers. Durandal for whatever reason is still the best one by sheer virtue of having the highest effective mt per hit.

Nice.

the WALL

coinflip

There is OBJECTIVE data you can go through to compare units and also know how good they will be on each level. Marcus can go 20 levels without a single level up by your fucking retarded logic. Shut the fuck up shitposter faggot

And? Nobody is doubling the dragon anyway and you are contending with like 20 speed at the most, theres no way a trained Eliwood can’t contribute

I havebt fucked around with mods all that much, is there any that gradually increases the speed/double threshold over the course of FE7? I always wondered if super speed characters would be way more viable if the threshold wasnt at like 14

Thats mah boy!

This is flat earther tier levels of delusion.

EVERYONE IS WRONG, Only I have the answer!!!

hector w/ armads has more attack power and attack speed than eliwood w/ durandal

The cut off should be "Do I like this character?".
Also growths are random so situational awareness is important. A blessed ""C"" tier could be worth deploying over a cursed ""B"". Or you can just pump your favorite with performance enhancing drugs

Eliwood is slow, guise

Wait, what are you doing? Stop comparing his stats to other units and to enemies!

I SAID STOP

Eligood is faster than Florina and is about as fast as Fiora most of the time since he doesn't get weighed down by common weapons, while also being as fast as Kent. Anyone who played FE7 will attest to the Steel Spam in the midgame, making the speed threshold to double quite easy to reach as well, which is why even slower units like Marcus stay so relevant for so long.

No he doesnt lol. I remember doing the calc yeara ago and a capped eliwood edges him out

tranny FE player thread deleted

Maybe I judged the mods too harshly

Wrong, Eliwood is the one of three units who can oneshot the Fire Dragon (the others being Luna Canas and Athos). He also has the maximum possible damage on the Dragon.
youtube.com/watch?v=0m3bp3UTscs

Whoops, wrong link. Here's it done legit
youtube.com/watch?v=MQ8Ey-2Msyg

ummm so i can't actually provide any real data to back my points up, so i'll just default to a funny meme image of le smug waifu and discredit you tee hee :3

you argue like a teenage girl

Post the thread you are citing. Lets check the validity of the posters

sorry didn't realize we were playing 100% growths

Armads has 18x2 = 36 and penalizes Hector by 3 AS.
Durandal has 17x2 + 5 = 39 Mt and penalizes Eliwood by 7 AS.

Hector is generally the slowest lord, so even though Eliwood and Lyn lose more AS from their weapons, he still tends to be the slowest. We all know that Lyn always does the least but in terms of damage per hit between Eliwood/Hector it gets tricky. Hector generally offsets the Atk lead with raw strength, but if supports are in play then Eliwood can get up to +5 while he's stuck at +2 at most.

There is OBJECTIVE data you can go through to compare units and also know how good they will be on each level

NTA but when you have shitty bases and all of your important stats have less than a 50% chance of proccing each level, sure you can sometimes get blessed and get an outrageous profile, but a lot of the time shit like this happens

I would rather have a lyn mode Lyn

The problem with lyn mode lyn is that once youve unlocked sain and kent and florina along with marcus there really isnt much room for any of the other units to see combat. Lyn mode doesnt make lyn good, it makes raven and hector bad.

Im just saying that the durandal is easily the best because it can theoretically make fucking eliwood of all people out damage hector. Granted, you need to give eliwood both con rings, but he can get into range of doubling with 49 attack, while Hector can only double with 48

See, this is why I play Sacred Stones. The game is so piss easy that arguing about unit viability is pointless.

I'm pretty sure there has never been an I documented unmodded playthrough of fe6 where Roy isn't a stinky pile of shit.

Yea not saying it makes he good, im saying a trained Lyn probably contributes more theoretically than eliwood at that point on HHM. Mounted units still rule the day obviously, though i would say her being able to insta C support florina is nice early

Falcoknight>Wyvern Knight

steel blade vanessa > cormag

Seth is worse than the oter cavs and should be benched

Sage Artur > Bishop Artur

20/10 Eliwood has 19 Str/19 Spd
20/10 Hector has 23 Str/17 Spd

19 + 39 = 58 Atk with 12 AS
23 + 36 = 59 Atk with 14 AS
The dragon rolls 15 to 17 AS, so there is a non zero chance that Eliwood gets doubled if he doesnt use speedwing/body ring.

Which should tell you something considering he has IDENTICAL base stats to Eliwood, and just trades 5% less strength, defense, and res for 15% more luck. They're basically the same character

The game is so piss easy that arguing about unit viability is pointless.

Just wait until someone bring up Falcoknight vanessa

Vanessa is cute. Even cuter if you make her a falcoknight. Argument over desu
Damn, beat me to it

Maybe, I don't have a bone to pick in this argument but Eliwood has some clear advantages over Roy, one being his promote has slightly less god awful timing.

She doesnt because if you're going full meta, then both Eliwood/Lyn are perma benched outside of the maps they're forced and Eliwood has more maps that he can technically help in (12/13/14/15/16 vs 16 alone for her)

sesbian lex

true

lyn doubles everything so she does not really need effective bonuses to kill with her rapier, her only prolbme is durability

NOOO YOU RIGGED BAD LEVEL UPS THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE

average stats

OBJECTIVE data

With an RNG. So the threshold you need to start doubling after gaining some levels? Might take you up to twice as many, just how the bell curve works with a growth rate of 40%.

but AVERAGE

Yeah, I get it. But a unit whose bases lets them get the momentum to start leveling and not have to hope they achieve average stats is just going to be better. Elibad.

BUT HE'LL GET THEM!!!

Are you the one screeching earlier about 0% growths? But now you want 100% growths it seems. Weird.

and at 20/20
Hector averages 29.8 str and 21.3 spd
Eliwood averages 24.1 str and 23.2 spd

discussing 20/20

Yea obviously theyre both still shit

eliwood has more maps

Hm, fair enough I guess

Eliwood's promo is so amazing

Why yes, I will keep him in his terrible base class all the way to level 20 before promoting

lute > your favorite fe8 unit

But anon, Lute IS my favorite unit

Based.

2x0

5% extra str and def

That alone makes it way less likely for him to get screwed. He has 10% less chance of not proccing defense in 3 levels, and around 5% less chance of not proccing strenght in these levels. That may not seem like much, but it turns a 1/10 chance into a much rarer 1/20 chance overall.
Also, Eligood fights weaker enemies, has a better rapier, has a better weapon level, has better con and has an earlier and better promo.

Its not even about stats. Eliwood can see enough combat to hit level 10 and then this turns him into Hectors Mobility Scooter Mk.3 in the lategame and then he can deal chip damage to help real units kill bosses in the final chapter. All of this makes him infinitely more deployable than, say, guy or erk who have better combat but still bad combat.

lute beats your favorite fe8 unit, including lute.

The discussion that spawned from this was eliwood getting saved by promo and having the best legendary. And he does easily have the best promo (cav and 1-2 range compared to lol bows and lol swords) and the best legendary. So much so that theoretical maxed eliwood beats theoretical max HECTOR in damage.

Does it make him good? Lol no
Is he likely to make him better than hector? Lmao no
But he definitely has the best promo and weapon

Tbf L'Arachel is genuinely awful even considering the difficulty that pains me to say.

Eliwood can see enough combat to hit level 10

if you're babying him true

Only lute can beat lute

Lute's hairy Aspie pussy!

hector is only good during the early game, past halfway in the game he becomes a brick and technically roy for all purposes
atleast eliwood gets javelins and a horse, he can do meaningful contributions if you get him to 20 (which you want to do because fuckk lloyd)

Coming in here to say Citrinne is mediocre because I know it pisses off one very autistic waifufag.

11 defense

See? Even when Eligood gets screwed, he makes up for it in his other stats. /ourguy/ is good even at his worst.

1 extra point of strength and defense over the course of 20 levels on average

Come on dude is this Roy (who statistically hasn't even gotten enough levels for this to manifest yet) going to be saved by 1 extra strength and defense? That's placebo-tier. >has a better rapier
But Roy's has 3x effectiveness so it's actually still better

He has like 60 fucking turns ofer 15 chapters to play cards with oswin and marcus and kill a couple random cav or pirate reinforcements.

5% extra growths (1 extra stat on average across 20 levels) is totally a game changer guys

the absolute state of elikek defenders

My birthday shared the symbol with Hector for that extra growths. He was always a godchopper on my playthroughs.

Imagine being born in January or August for light and dark affinities.
haha...

So much so that theoretical maxed eliwood beats theoretical max HECTOR in damage.

That's actually because of supports. Otherwise, even if you rig eliwood's strength (there aren't any energy drops) he merely ties hector in attack vs the dragon.

Thats not an argument. This can happen to any fucking unit in FE you can’t use a fucking coinflip for an argument when the highest growth is like 60%
You’re nothing but a dishonest hypocritical piece of shit

how im supposed to beat this chapter

7 fucking enemies with overlapping ranges, anyone who steps in faces instant death

what were they thinking

For me, it's Gerik. He does whatever he wants and never disappoints.

He's far likely to fall in this situation in the first place, statistically speaking. 5% goes a long way into improving reliability, especially across 35 dice rolls.

3x effectiveness

It has 5 might, anon. It's only stronger against specifically cavs/paladins (doesn't work on other horses kek) using swords or axes, while being worse against everything else.

to be fair our Roy did get Res blessed so kinda loops back around to being a like father like son situation. Only difference is FE7 suck so Eliwood isn't actually totally unusable like this

Hey man someone has to rep those Merlinus growths.

FE7 suck

I mean FE7 ENEMIES suck
damn

Eliwood has 3x effectiveness in Japan lmao

This can happen to any fucking unit in FE

No it can't. The best units in the game (Marcus, Pent, Harken) can't get screwed because they have good base stats. Using Eliwood is playing the lottery in a game where there is least reason to ever bother playing the lottery.

FE7 does suck though

Entrap dangerous enemies

Violate the rules of the "fair duel"

Shelter abuse

Hit and run strats

Extreme agressivity

Throw a cannon fodder to break the enemy formation

Get lucky

Take your pick

The virgin GBA unplayer:

Needs to justify his character choice via tiers with poorly (and often arbitrarily) defined criteria.

Gets all his opinions from ecelebs.

Needs to use top tier units in a game where any unit can solo.

Chad 3DS game enjoyers:

"Yeah, I used Charlotte in my last run. Why? Because she's sexy and crits give me a dopamine rush, of course"

"FE tubers? Sorry, I don't have time to watch them, I'm too busy planning out my next run's eugenics route."

But FE7 does suck

best unit

harken

Well for one you don't make Odin a Swordmaster

Glorious Nippon has EliGOD instead of Eligood.

Eligood

that's not the fuckin POINT though

actually these stats are le bad because I say so

kamiuudo

Cute

I really hate this community.

Their support isnt even that good. Just good old Hilda being lazy backfires.

Everyone acts like they are lesbians.

Hate how Hopes goes out of its way to appeal to retarded fan reception.

But also those stats are good if they're my Eliwood after leveling him to 20/13

Shuriken breaker calamity gate Ophelia
Also lmao falling for the Sam Odin meme.

lesbians

Theyre sister wives in dorte's harem.

Doesn't have a mount

Has to get rescued to keep up

Can't naturally double the bosses that he's supposedly good against

Hurdur, bad unit

FE elitists told me that stats do not matter and the only stat that matters is MOVEMENT

i saw a speedrun once where shana dodged every single attack while doing a critical on the counter while having a javelin equiped, she must be the best unit in the game

Speedcuck hits his first true bottleneck.png

I find it funny that Eliwood's "amazing promotion" is just him becoming a normal unpromoted cav.

a trained Raven can beat any Harken

I'm pretty sure people just like them because they're cute. Not everything is a tumblr pander moment anon

Elisissies are now resorting to Harken slander

Just when I thought I couldn't respect them less

harken is better than eliwood

files.catbox.moe/dwc5kt.mp4
Use Freeze/Entrap
Use high move units to attack them first
Have good skills

No, he is +1

now now ravengods let's not get into infighting, they both can share the love

GIGATHAD DS enjoyers:

Yeah, Marth? Kinda bad desu but I'll use him anyway

Avatar will either be a hard carry or benched for being too good

Can easily see enemy stats and movement ranges and plan accordingly

Can freely reclass units according to a strategy that would best fit the situation

Harken > Eilwood

No mount, lower than capped speed and less mov? Heh, bad unit

Wait, no! I didn't mean Harken! Stop applying my own standards against me!

Kek

Compared to Lyn (+1 mov, bows) and Hector (no move, swords), it is

HarKINGS and RaVANGELICALS can come together for their mutual hatred of EliSHIT

Literally who cares all the GBA games are mid as fuck

I care

Yeah, it's cool.

GBA IS MID

And yet it's the only FF subseries to inspire real gameplay talk, curious

30+(18*2)
27+(17*2)+5

Don't let this distract you from the fact a trained Rebecca can stomp base Raven

Pfft, red haired swordlocked until promo infantry. Who would ever use that?

Ohshit, his name says Raven instead of Eliwood! A Tier!

Metafags are so embarassing

you just need to prepare a specific combination of skills and staves (implying that you did not use them before by the way, you need to save your entrap uses FOR THIS CHAPTER)

if you do not meet the requirements for it, your run just gets bricked, unlucky

no one tell elifag what raven's stats look like compared to elishit's

its as if there are more things that determine whether a unit is good or bad
crazy!

Elihaters our response?

What was she doing between 1932 and 1945?

green erk

Eliwood: 27 str + 17 mt + 5str = 49 damage
Hector: 30 str + 18 mt = 48 damage

Hector still theoretically edges with having 21 AS compared to Eliwoods 17AS. But 2 con rings to eliwood puts him to 21 AS which is enough to double the relevant enemies, thus putting him higher sine hector gains nothin from extra con aside from slightly higher dodge rate which is a nonfactor.

Therefore theoretical max eliwood is slightly stronger than theoretical max hector, even before supports factor in. As unlikely as it is to be in this scenario.

Go help Erk nigga

Tier and eceleb shitposting is not gameplay. CQ still has the best gameplay discussion.

Its as if he receives hard mode bonuses or somthing...

if you discount hard mode cheat bonuses and account for JP effectiveness instead of trannylation balance changes then Eliwood is better than Raven.

CQ

Gameplay

Oh wow, more shitty gimmick maps! Riveting.

You dont factor the double until the full attack calc though? Its 49 twice vs 48 twice

yes

Can't you buy infinite freeze staves with the tier 3 staff shop? Also not the game's fault your army is shit. You chose to play on lunatic. If your Corrin really stands no chance against Ryoma I'm not sure what you were planning.

That's the point. Eligood has a lot of things going for him, but metafags ignore them for superficial reasons. I'm just applying their same exact standards to the units they jerk off.

steel blade eliwood > marcus

She should work out

If you discount hard mode bonuses

You cant.
He will always have it on hhm.
Meaning he will always benefit from it.

JP effectiveness

Appareantly your lord is so bad he needs you to switch your regional version to be of used

Thread is half done after 2 hours

Horry shitu

(30 + 18) x2
(27 + 17 + 5) x2

still doesnt come close to prime relay thread shitflinging

When using certain weapons against certain enemies, the might of your weapon doubles. For example, the durandal is "effective" versus the fire dragon you fight at the end of the game.
Hope this helps.

No, it's just hair colour and weapon type. You... you... dummy!

if you discount your legs, you would be a bike

you should stick to gba, it's more your speed

CQ babby accusing anyone of being slow

Oh I though you were refering to double attack

She has speed and got okay luck on defense, so she's fine. Just spam the Silver Lance if you need extra damage.

4th most active thread on Anon Babble

Remember that eliwoods god like regalia has to effectivly -1 might to it since classes its good against are mostly lance users.

wyvern xander

Why do people do this?

it's not my fault you're crying over maps you can't beat

Post avatars

he has nothing going for him

Cause conquest was just 3h in disguise all along.

Have you tried this

(30 + [18x2]) x2 = 132
(27 + [17x2] + 5) x2 = 132
Theyre tied on the dragon, while eliwood is slightly stronger against everything else

It's good in the mid-game for skills and utility but by this point you should definitely have him in a class where he can actually use his busted prf

But if you feed him 19 levels of experience, he might be about on par with an untrained Raven!

It's -1 might!

Well, except against sword cavs

And nomads

And troubadours/valkyries

And axereaver users (surprisingly common in FE7)

And axe generals/paladins

Oh, and if we use it for anything else than only effective damage, it's neutral or good against most enemies as well

Sure, effectively -1 might. Whatever you say, buddy.

it is my first time playing conquest, sorry for not knowing all the combinations of skills

if my army was shit i would not have got to this point, having so many overlapping ranges is so retarded, so i understand now where hackroms get their inspiration from

metafags

none of the people here are metafags. they are going around promoting raven and harken, AKA "the unit that has good combat when combat is easy and then falls off once combat becomes hard" and "8th best prepromote"

i can't get over how thick the hatch shading is on the HD pack and the artbook, holy shit it looks so bad

strawpoll.com/X3nkPxER5gE

What's the Rapier

What's the Hector support

What's his promo

What's his early game utility

What's his overall good stats

Idk, doesn't seem like absolutely nothing to me.

Can you elaborate on those last two? Because those have been the main things in contention all thread and you're trying to just slip them by.

I'm confused you seem to win this battle easily

when combat becomes hard

When is that? Because they mog all but 2% of the game.

Horses are simply better in 7 than in any game in the series that isn't Jugdral

Wyvern Lord can't use Siegfried

What's his overall good stats

you are trolling

Harken IS shilled by metafags. Raven not so much.

Ignore the shitter flaming you. Conquest endgame is terribly designed unless you have lunatic knowledge beforehand. The only reliable way ive found to do the ninja hallways is shurikenbreaker left side + Calamity gate ophelia right side, but again, that requires pre-planning

Peri getting excited about (You)r birthday and baking an absurd amount of cookies, muffins, and cake!

I know, which is why I said you should take him out of it after like the endless stairway and put him into preferably hero from Selena or Charlotte

Yeah, those two aren't very good. Eliwood is far worse though.

You cant.

you could if you wanted to, but people love their "win the game" units so much that they actively go out of their way to not recruit Perceval when he doesn't have his cheat stats

This dumbass complaining about 25 literally has the perfect setup to obliterate Ryoma man. Poison strike annihilates that dude

When is that

The cog, in which 60-80% of all of your combat rounds will occur.

they actively go out of their way to not recruit Perceval

90% of Anon Babble cant even reach percy in time in c13

The cog gets raped by Harken with a hand axe though?

I’m convinced metafags dismiss arguments in a bad way just for the lulz
Also Odin is one of the best CQ units if you aren’t a retard

raven is better than non lyn mode kent and sain

I've explained quite a bit over this thread and the last, but here's the qrd

Axespam is common early on, so being swordlocked isn't really a problem

Your starting squad is mostly dogshit in FE7, so Eliwood stands out by being significantly better than most units you have

Nomads+cavs are the second most common enemy, so he gets to take advantage of his effective damage often for high damage outputs

The Rapier is a good weapon tied to him, so you have good reason to spam it for more damage, accuracy and crit than your other units can pull off

He can use the Killing Edge at base as well, so he can share it with Guy or take it from him (Marcus doesn't need it)

His stat spread is similar to the ones of the Lyn cavs, who are good units (aka if Eliwood has bad stats, you must pretend that good units also have bad stats).

Promo+high sword rank keeps him relevant later on as well

actually raven and harken are LE BAD

only the brightest FE minds on Anon Babble

no reason to use him past chapter 16 though

rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12145238

He gets over 6 chapters of exp by then, he's outpacing a lot of units by then if you haven't been shoving him in a corner instead of using him to his strenghts.

GBA nigger when he sees an objective that isn't "Rout" or "Capture".

he's outpacing a lot of units when you go out of your way to feed him exp

true

FE7 has harsher objectives than CQ imo.

Who are you going to give the EXP to, then? Lowen?

yes

There's also a patch that removes hard mode bonuses from player units

he's easy to reach but you'll likely be risking a unit versus his silver lance plus a killer ballista

That's clearly not what I said nor implied. Does your mind work in 0s and 1s to not understand nuance between not using a unit at all and grinding a unit to 20/20 the first chance you get?

Bad growths

Bad bases

Admittedly good personal but requires investing resources

6/10 he's OK but I never take him past mid game. Physical Odin is a meme and Dark Knight isn't fast, strong, or tough enough to tank.

if harken and raven are "bad units"
what are some /vfeg/ approved "good units"

heh look at these retards not putting marcus in the middle of the map and pressing end turn in the first 6 chapters

eliwood is objectively a liability they are just too stupid to realize how good marcus is on the first few chapters

rebecca :)

1-2 retards saying that theyre bad doesnt mean its all of us.

There's no reason to recruit him in 13 since 14 is bad for cavs

lowen is already getting xp in the front lines with marcus. eliwood is competing with oswin or a mage, either protecting the tent or lagging a turn behind the main group to clean up reinforcements

i understand that eliwood is not getting more than 3 levels in the first 6 chapters, and 3 levels is generous for him

Lowen

/vfeg/ is bad at videogames so marcus and nino. In 3ds emblem they like to use Mozu

Lyn

His growths are good. But I'd rather drop him after I unlock horse spirit

The ones I want to have sex with.

isadora

nino and rebecca

Merlinus

mop-head zoomer with negative skill

Dart!!!

Using Eliwood for only 9 kills in over 6 chapters

So you hide him in a corner and then complain that he isn't contributing, got it.

Eliwood is better than Lowen

Nomads are rare as fuck.
And axe paladins and generals even moreso.
Also great you found like 1 reaver weapon in a map.

Neutral

On neutral its just a shutty sword easioy outclassed by others.

but enough about elikeks

ursula

Mozu

Priscilla

Has a mount

Uses staves

Doesn't get weighed down

Too bad that she's apparently almost impossible to recruit kek.

Marcus (unironically)

5 str is so amazing guys

Bro he is barely beating rebecca.

9 kills

hiding him in the corner

if i hid him in the corner he would get zero exp
i dont even suffer from him doing nothing but he only contributes that much without babying

Dorothy

Retard doesn't know that Mozu is CQ meta now

Lmao

Harken is only really good for CoD, mounted units are better everywhere else. Jaffar is also a better boss killer because he’s faster.

Ehh. She's a bit overrated imo but she certainly isn't bad.

also doesnt chapter 14 cannibalize mounted movement anyway? even without the hm bonuses wouldn't it be better to just wait to get perceval?

9 kills is scrimblio tier for eliwood

he kills one or two things in chapter 12
one or two thing in chapter 13
one or two things in chapter 14
one or two thing in chapter 16
two being extremely generous for eliwood fags

you can scrimblio him in 13x and 15 but its better to give all of that shit to lowen
he has a mount at the start of the game btw and not 20 chapters in

Nomads are rare

What is the Merlinus Gaiden and the Uhai chapter if not nomad spam? Not to mention the occasional nomads added in regularly to armies?

Reaver weapons

Rare in FE7

Need I remind you that an entire map is dedicated to spamming them, and that FE7 is obsessed with giving it to enemies between earlygame and midgame?

Shitty sword outclassed by others

It's a Steel Sword with none of the bad properties of the Steel sword and with extra benefits added to it (crit and hit mostly)

I think that the guy who shilled fe7 being hard is the same guy who shills eliwood.

Would explain why he thinks the game has any sense of difficulty when he kept using shitty units

Oh I'm sorry, didn't realize the Lord needed a personal valet and hand-served kills just to scrape by. 9 kills is what happens when you give him less than zero XP priority because he's literally outperformed by a random brigand with a stick. If I wanted to train a unit that grows into mediocrity, I'd use Wil at least for the style points.

Wow those stats are so good. Definitely worth the investment

9 Spd at 17

Screwed

lot until he dies to a 20% hit with a 2% crit

no
he has big stats and you can rescue drop him

7 ironman but every unit is replaced with eliwood

Dismissee 13x and 15 since it easily gets him past 9 kills if taken into account

Kek. He would already be at 4-5 kills even going off your estimate, so he's only need to perform slightly over average on these two maps for him to easily pass 9 kills (which he does).

Just 2 maps

Other maps are pretty neglecable
since raven/ harken one rounds then with a hand axe anyway killing the need of a rapier user who even when doing effective damage, cant even kill a weakened cav.

if eliwood is not getting the kills who is getting them??

Dorcas

A unit with an actual str stat....like raven.

Marcus of course

who is getting the kills for the 8 chapters raven is not in your party??

Marcus

Raven joins several chapters after Eliwood though

depends on the chapter
its usually going to be marcus/hector/lowen

on rout maps he can get 2 per chapter if he wants to

Imo she's only overrated now because she was underrated when the game was new and people couldn't get over the at the time growing in popularity sentiment of "trainee bad".
She also doesn't really have competition for the first heart seal on a male corrin run, outside of questionable Odin or Niles memes or going hard on an Avatar reclass. Felicia can kind of do what Jakob does but it requires more investment and a weaker early game so it's questionable.

how many levels does Eliwood need to match Raven base speed

eliwood

OP

in what fucking universe?

Oswin hector markus potentially dorcas if enemy is weakened guy

youre forgetting that this is fe7. eliwood is still going down the third alternate path for an optional village and taking the time to plunk away at random unpromoted brigands into the low 20s.

This one, apparently. As you can see, Eliwood is indeed in the original post

oh yeah, right. regardless of movement a death machine is a death machine

Literaly any sword unit can do that.
Including cavs who have the movement to reach villages faster.

Why it is so easy to ragebait people when discussing FE7

Eliwood? Yuck, he has horrible stats

Lowen though, now that's some good stats worth investing into

Lowen has worse growths than Marcus kek

I hope the next FE removes level ups so you don't feel like you lose progression on your units if they die or force yourself to use weaker units to get them stronger

Fe7 is so fun to discuss that we just cant help ourselfs but to talk about it

Literaly any sword unit can do that.

yes but literally any other sword unit is about to be obsolete by chapter 25 while eliwood still has marginal value

lowen literally has better stats and weapons and class than eliwood
???

So who's the REAL GOD unit?

how many levels does Eliwood need to match Raven base speed
how many levels does Eliwood need to match Raven base speed
how many levels does Eliwood need to match Raven base speed
how many levels does Eliwood need to match Raven base speed

Few people actually play FE7, so they forget what the game is actually like when you're not getting info about it through a broken telephone of ecelebs.

name every brigand you are referring to
im curious

You could argue that erk is better than pent because he has 15 or so chapters where he can contribue in the harder parts of the game (the early game) while pent joins with acceptable stats at the point where your army is so strong he does not really contribute

did i ragebait you good??

Calm down

No.

Raven and harken sure as fuck not.
Or my paladons who reach the villages faster.
Same with my falcoknights.

Raven.
Guy mogs your army with crazy offensive stats at a low base level.

yea but maybe say that unironically in the next thread

Statistically not until he promotes. Eliwood averages 14 speed at level 20, and Raven's base is 15

averages 14 speed at level 20

why have people been shilling this guy for 400 posts

theres terry and tim and tom and sam out on the water. and then we have dylan and charles up by the bridge and johnny and mark in the middle and fred C and freddy J taking the southeast, and ralph is talking to the boss.

Eliwood fanboys are subhuman. Somehow even worse than Roy nonplayers.

Lowen has better stats

Same or worse power due to Eliwood having access to the Rapier and the Killing edge

Worse speed, non contestable

Worse skill and luck

He only wins in hp and defense kek

Weapons

Eligood evens out with him by having access to the better swords

class

Eligood's promo makes up for the early game disadvantage classwise

Uhhh Eillwood is really FAST!

14 speed

Should I go for Ewan Druid or Sage?

summoner

Already making knoll into a summoner

why is everyone calling lyn bad?
she is so sexy

you dont need more than 14 speed in 7 by the way, it is good enough to double the monks in cog of destiny (endgame map)

raven faces instant death unless supported by priscilla (an actual good unit) because of his bad luck stat, every enemy has a 1-5% chance to crit and end his life

eliwood does not face this problem

bad is sexy
get with the times old man

summoner

she's a baddie

FE7 enemies are so slow, guise

Is that non capped speed? Unusable!

Pick only one

you need 1 of every class!!!

just go double summoner and let the skeletons steal your exp

because raven at 0growths doubles everything, you dont actually need more than 14 speed.

She is bad though

Ok so support him with Priscilla retard-bro

but the fire dragon is above 14 speed...

actually bartre's 3 base speed is good because he doubles iron lance pegs after 15 levels

raven is good

this means eliwood is not good!!

what if you could deploy TWO good units??

Lord

...

Lord, red haired

"OMG IM COOMING I LOVE YOU"

What is it about Roy and Horse Roy that invites so much autism?

fire dragon dies to athos. eliwood is actually useful for this part because he is force deployed and can rescue athos with canto.

you arent slick elifag
eliwood is shit
raven is good
simple as
they dont affect each other

playing Pre-Awakening FE

Can't be me.
Imagine playing games where the lords suck.

Damn right she's bad. Zamn

needs two unit slots to function

But FE4 has some of the strongest lords in the series?

hes not forced to be promoted though

Leif fucks in FE5 and then you also have Jesus on Wheels in FE4.

You just said Priscilla is good dumbass why are you now pretending that's some kind of ask?

tactician stars give crit avoid tho
who gets crit in FE7

im not that anon you schizo

as i explained here it is really really trivially easy to promote any unit

Its fucking FE7. Hawkeye doubles most of the enemies in the game and he has mediocre speed.
You can LITERALLY list the number of enemies in 7 where you need more than like 14-16 AS to double.

The only lords that suck are Roy and Lyn without her mode. Every other Lord is good to great.

drooling retard asking for MC suck off power fantasy vs intellectual playing foundation-based gameplay where you have to carefully use your wit

if you spam end turn you can grind your favorite unit on reinforcements and promote, as well as get A supports!

Its easier to list the games with bad lords than good ones. Its just 6, 7 and 11.

Forgive my schizophrenic delusions of thinking that the anon I replied to might be the same anon who replied to me and made the exact same point.

and you enjoy getting railed by redditchrom low IQ homosexual.

you can support hector with eliwood by the way and hector is a free deploy so he does not consume one of your deploy slots

by the way you have 5 deploy slots in hector hard

deploying a support bot just so your scrimblo does not face crit

by the way the hector support turns eliwood into an armor knight (+3 def and +3 res) and yes hector is a free deploy

Yeah and you need like 19 levels into Eliwood to get there. And early game he won't be doubling except like loldiers and steel lance pegasi

I'm female so ofc I enjoy that

next thread will be an eirika shill thread BTW

purposefully ignores that eliwood isnt a free deploy

eliwood is a free deplay in half the maps

Ike in PoR is utter shit to the point that he can softlock you if he cant beat the BK which means he will get fucked by Ashnard.

Were you using Serra or some shit? Stop pretending you weren't already using Priscilla anyways. Obviously she's Raven's best support partner.

Maybe he's talking about the raven/priscilla thing and forgot to reply. In which case it's a slight point in his favour but not much

no

more like you play normal/casual you dumb bitch

im using erk or canaas and early promoting them
im not using tranny ass raven when i could be deploying 2 extra cavaliers or fliers

he is unaware

You can escape the fight.

but you cant beat Ashnard

Wrath/Resolve Ena with either a speedwing (you get one on 27) or +2 speed from levels within 28/29 can solo Ashnard.

sometimes I like to play hard casual and solve maps by throwing bait at the enemy to distract them

Well sooooooorry for enjoying my entertainment
Chrom is the best Lord aside from Dimitri

free deploy and force deploy aren't the same thing really but it's a fairly arbitrary distinction

what do you mean i cannot place my hecking lord into enemy range, and end my turn?? i do not believe your bullshit

I'm not going to use the mounted healer I'm instead going to only bring one healer in my early-promoted mage and never do any combat with them

Smart man

why are you still here? get lost to the kitchen you thot lol

Eligood scholars backed up every argument in this thread with solid data, analyzing maps, enemies and units objectively to determine that he is definitly competent. Be it through niches he fills or through his improving generalist capacities, his value has shown itself.
Meanwhile, meta simpletons could only repeat blindly tertiary information about the game that was easily proven wrong with slight scrutiny. Not to mention, their own arguments contradicted themselves, with them assigning units as bad and as good arbitrarily, stepping over their own shoes trying to dictate when being a "swordlocked infantry" is a problem and when it isn't.
I think the verdict is quite clear indeed.

Healer Lord > Unga Bunga damage cap Lord

Roy isn't as bad as people meme outside of a specific run of chapters where he's level capped but can't promote for like 4 more chapters. Granted, it's retarded that this is even a concern.
End game Roy is also insanely strong.

Eligood scholars backed up every argument in this thread with solid data, analyzing maps, enemies and units objectively to determine that he is definitly competent.

literally lying dude

Killing edge

Nothing stops lowen to equip the killing edge

Better swords

Lowen can use almosr every single sword eliwood can.

You destroyed them

he says while posting the version of Ike that does that

Eligood scholars backed up every argument in this thread with solid data

Lol, lmao even

They are slow enemies and there is eliwood failing to double cause his spd is even worse.
Remind you thata his 20 average.
Before that he has even worse spd

Small brained 7 tards

ERRRRRRRGGGGGGG I NEED TO JUSTIFY MY PREFERENCE FOR THIS CHARACTER BY GETTING INTO AUTISTIC VIABILITY DEBATES ONLINE!

Big brained 6 players

Dorothy is cute :)

using eliwood (free deploy) and traiining him is bad

using 2 deploy slots for raven and priscilla (which will be doing nothing but park behind raven so he does not get crit) instead of deploying 2 paladins or 2 fliers

i love using raven so much!!!

Actual dogshit thread lmao

Athos has a chance of getting one shot by the dragon if he rolls low HP.

Nothing stops lowen to equip the killing edge

His D rank says otherwise

Lowen can use almosr every single sword eliwood can

He's always pacing behind, especially since the Rapier gives out 2 wexp instead of 1. By the time Lowen can use the Killing Edge, Eliwood will already be ready to use Silvers.

just use raven and priscilla and your mounted units
???

Deserving of presex cuddles and postsex cuddles

aren't we active today...

which will be doing nothing but park behind raven so he does not get crit

Actually she's a healer which is what she'll be doing. I wouldn't recommend doing much combat with the unit who has no weapons

eliwood is a degenerate freak who fucked dragon pussy

Dorothy is cute :)

We stan Wolt here, sir.

they certainly did a better job than their opposition who pretended that you would skip the Merlinus gaiden just so they wouldn't have to deal with the fact that Eliwood naturally grows a few levels in the chapters where he's basically force deployed.

priscilla is the best recipient for the boots
but we arent ready for the conversation yet
maybe next thread

Only FE MC to fuck a dragon

EilCHAD

Nah nigga gotta save my deployment slots for this

Still pushing the Eliwood is slow narrative

He has above Kent tier speed. Either Kent is slow and somehow no one ever realized it, or you are full of shit.

If youre got then ket me preg you and make you shut up

I hope so.
I would actually like to defend her.

Those maps are a rarity and he tends to be so bad that youre better off sodelining him to a corner

eliwood is only not complete trash because of all the scrimblio chapters
he would be treated like a red headed eirika otherwise

Eirika is much better than Eliwood unironically

You hallucinated that. Your mental illness is not our problem.

Lmao that nigga kept ignoring screenshots of the rapier jobbing his ass 3 times.

You having a stroke, anon?

i remember that retard in the relay who refused to give the dracoshield and angelic robe to ninian and gave them to raven

and next chapter ninian died

and later we wiped because we could not dance for hector, but raven had every stat capped so it was a win for ravengods

what did you do here then?

Lowen has 7 Spd with 30% growth.
Kent averages +1 Spd on a comparably raised Eliwood. If Lowen is fast enough while having inferior parameters, then you're full of shit.

and later we wiped because we could not dance for hector

Fake news. Nils died on the penultimate chapter which also made Farina bug out and disappear for the dragon fight

Kent is faster lol.
And his mount makes him more usefull

I wanna breed and punch that arrogant fucking whore...unless she is fat and ugly

pretended that you would skip the Merlinus gaiden

you can scrimblio him in 13x

lmao, not only did you pretend that you would skip the merlinus gaiden, you're so bad at pretending you mentioned it by mistake!

Kent averages +1 Spd on a comparably raised Eliwood.

Funny thing is, that's not even true since Kent loses 1 speed from average if you skip Lyn mode. Eliwood is literally just as fast as Kent if not faster

Eirika

Is underrated by retards who dont realize how much 1-1 combat 8 has.

No one shilled lowens spd stat dipshit.
And lowen has things like mounted movement from the get go and superior weapon ranks from the get go.
His str is also higher so he does more damage then elicrap who also wont double.

breed

based

punch

I will fight for her

But FE7 does suck

Weird way to spell fe6

Well when Lowen is superior in every other aspect, yeah I'd expect Eliwood to be a bit more impressive, statistically.

pic unrelated

They have exactly the same speed without Lyn mode.

B-but muh mount

Eligood also gets one with his promo

Youre right.
A slap is way hotter.
Altough i need to feed my white male fragility somehow...

I look like Dorothea but with glasses
Such a gentleman

see

For all the growth rate pushing Eliwood fans do, you sure don't know them very well. Kent's is higher, sweetie.

YWNBAW

Eligood also gets one with his promo

in the late game
kent starts with one
??

Kent will beat out Eliwood

B-But he gets mount t-

Yeah he gets it so late tgat kent outpaced him in terms of stats and still beats him by +1 move.

Byleth did too though.

Anons like him are basically like the gamefaqs kids in 2003 who said Rebecca was a high tier unit because of her growths. Everything before 20/20 just doesn't matter to them.

Its dorothea whore

Yeah fuck no youre fat and ugly and i wanna punch you i will jever have to see you ugly fucking face ever again

serenesforest.net/blazing-sword/characters/average-stats/eliwood/
serenesforest.net/blazing-sword/characters/average-stats/lowen/
They even out around 13/0 and Lowen falls behind. Lowen's stats are quite mediocre, he's carried by virtue of his class, while Eliwood gets fucked over by a late promotion.

worse speed

AGHHHH ELIWOOD IS GONNA HAVE 2 EXTRA POINTS AT 20/20 LOWEN IS UNUSABLE AND I WILL DISREGARD THE MYRIAD OF ADVANTAGES HE HAS TO MY SHITTER SCRIMBLO BY PRETENDING ELIWOOD IS PROMOTED FOR THE ENTIRE GAME SOMEHOW

but is Eliwood better than Eirika

steel blade marcus steel exp from steel sword eliwood

I made this for you, my love <3

He has 5% on him, but Eliwood averages above 8 speed at level 5 while Kent starts at 8 without Lyn mode. Also, Eligood has the better cap, so the 5% advantage never manifests itself to give Kent a lead over Eligood in speed.

Kent/Sain ride the bench along with Eliwood/Lyn in runs with no Lyn mode.

nope
but thats something for next thread

lyn mode shitters saying eliwood is bad

of course, it all makes sense, the only way raven becomes good is with lyn mode bonuses

I'll punch you back
Can't tell if I should be flattered or punch you too

Simp

She will jnever fuck your poor ass

Eligood has the better cap

Which he won't hit even at 20/20 unless you get lucky or feed speedwings. Stat caps are a retarded argument please do better

In honor of Total Eligood Victory, post his wife Fiora

eirikaGODS your thread is up

no because she autolevels to 10 even if you bench her and gets autoleveled to 15 if you don't. Then she gets a free promotion and a prf that's effective against most enemies you fight in the remaining chapters

good units kill more enemies than bad units
killing enemies results in exp
exp results in level ups
level ups result in stats
stats make good units better

I am male and stringer and punch you a blue eye you fucking lowlife whore.
Kys so i dont see your shitty female face again you fat fuck.

Raven doesn't appear in lynshit mode you retard.

elifags are too low iq to comprehend this
they deny the first line

Missing the point of bringing up caps

Kent literally can't be faster than Eligood, since the growth advantage would only allow him to surpass Eligood if he broke his cap (which he can't). Aka, Eliwood is faster than Kent 100% of the time on average

exhibit A

the only game marth is bad in is fe11 because everything has lances

You sit in a computer chair all day and haven't exercised in 20 years, of course you're more stringy, sweetie

If eliwood wasn't a lord people would agree hes a mid tier unit

Who fucking cares. Is your claim to fame for a shitter infantry unit really being speed tied with a cavalier?

Cap stats dont matter for 99 percent of the game.
And kent will get moren
levels faster since is a mount from the beginning and unlike eliwood wont be hard stuck on 20 tipl lategame which pretty much builds him an advantage eliwood needs to catch up first since unlike kent who could level while elibad had to be level locked for most game.

Why not train a game over condition so he doesn't keel over from a slight breeze? That makes sense to me

In other words, Eligood being competent early on means that he gets exp easily, and naturally gets more exp as he gets better.

Its less Lowen good and more that who else are you going to raise in the early game? Guy? Erk? Matthew????

hes guy but less cool since he doesnt have a hat

Punches you in the face

Idk how a fat fuck lime you could ogerpower me you fucking whore.
Kill yourself you fucking female and let us alone.

neither does guy, now Joshua on the other hand

I will never understand Marianne love. Like shes not that cute, her personality is so uninteresting, no big booba, no ass.
Hilda is better

Problem is his bases are worse then most other units so he os one of those units who barely gets any exp where as lowen and hector mog him.

The only fists our cute femanons deserve is fisting their vaginas for the sole purpose of their pleasure

I've been doing an HHM playthrough lately and just now I'm about to receive the first lord promo item. I've been giving Eliwood a lot of favouritism just because I want him to be useful for once. For all the Eliwood lovers in the thread, I'll give him the first promo item, you're welcome.

L3

vetod

That's only if you don't use Eligood at all, which is bad play as proven by his competence early on. Kent loses the competition to Eligood for the team slot due to worse stats, competing for the Crest with Sain, Lowen and Oswin and due to not having the same large sword selection that Eligood has.

we need more hat based units

16 luck

RAVENBROS DO NOT LOOK

3 losses

strong eliwood soldier

L3

lmao

I'm not part of your relays, I'm allowed to fuck up. In truth I've played this game so many times that I rush and hold the speed up button the whole time like I'm trying to get to "the good part" but it doesn't exist any more because I've squeezed the game dry.

as proven by his competence early on.

elishit isnt competent thats the whole argument dumb dumb

Anons with tons of experience in FE7 still can't use Eliwood without getting him killed multiple times

I have yet to see any evidence refuting his competence

I've squeezed the game dry.

your mario kart disc?

anon is too much of a pussy to directly reply on an anonymous image board

Coward

Mine is too tight for a whole hand, what are you thinking?

go see an eye doctor instead

A few bonus items aren't enough to make it feel fresh again

Even disregarding the Ls, that win-rate is horrible. Man this dude sucks

I've squeezed the game dry.

what challenge runs have you done?
what's your best 0% growth ironman turncount record

No argument

That's what I thought

I haven't done one, it sounds like it would just be prepromo spam more than it already is, but something that actually makes me slow down and think in this game again might be nice

I hate Eliwood. Not because he's good or bad or whatever, but because you dipshits always flip out over the most boring fucking lord in the series pre-3H.

ELIGOD

ELISHIT

ELISHOULDHAVESTAYEDINBED

ELIWHOGIVESASHIT
ELIWHOGIVESASINGLEFUCKINGSHITABOUTTHISBADFE6FANFICTIONFAGGOT

where's your 0 growth hhm ss playthrough

^ seething ravenkek

t. Mad at EilGOD

We can work up to it

if Eliwood is good at anything it's at mind breaking this dude that makes him a good unit in my book

eligod won

Mind=SHATTERED

Eliwood is bad

W-wait, the LTC fags use him for the hardest maps in the game? Oh no, I gotta rework the entire tier list before I get exposed as a tertiary!

youtube.com/watch?v=He18cQDen-0

Did you get all the supports?

links a rigged playthrough

That loser who has been talking about optimising FE7 runs for 20 years