Why are we supposed to see him as the bad guy? Because he used child soldiers...

Has there every been an antagonist whose whole thing is "weakness is bad for society" and instead of just trying to kill everyone who doesn't meet their standards they instead forcibly improve everyone through science/magic or whatever so everyone is strong?

If becoming the president apparently gives you enough power to completely dismantle all law and order in the country and turn it into a survival of the fittest free for all, then it seems like he could just use that power to make fixes to the current system instead of pointlessly burning down everything and causing a lot of avoidable death.

There is no fixing the current system that allows shit like Desperado to exist and actively be defended by society, accelerate to the finish and burn out all the rot

Nah, that's just being lazy.

That's the thing, he could try and make changes that don't result in countless deaths. But he doesn't because he's literally batshit insane. Raiden agrees with the reasonable stuff but Armstrong was unironically too crazy to just settle with the agreeable stuff.

Muh might makes right

Actual popular revolution kills billionaires

Uh no we should follow the law and shit

Let's have an actual revolution and see who comes out on top

I would.
I'd still put my hands up and run my fade with him even if I'm build like a twig but I can accept that in a world of might makes right I'm definitely not gonna come out on top, at least not by fighting fair.
I can still agree that something must be done about the current state of things instead of letting everything rot just because it benefits me personally though.

Yes that is what I am saying, those who have no strength of their own and have to pay people to defend them will not survive because the hired guns are not willing to die for their masters while the regular cunts are willing to die just to fuck their day up.

What was Armstrong doing during the real games? He was in the Navy, apparently. Was he one of those guys Ocelot was shooting at with finger guns in that one scene?

when you can buy superpowers via cybernetics and nanomachines "might makes right" is just an oligarchy larping as something else

armstrong lost to an even stronger man who doesn't think butchering kids is acceptable

he's a hypocrite, he started out at the very top then used the wealth and privilege provided to him by society to enhance himself to the point he would also come out on top in his supposed survival of the fittest situation

If he genuinely believed in his ideals, that the strong should take from the weak, he would have strived to give EVERYONE nanomachines, and only THEN blew up society, put everyone at the exact same level and see who deserves to come out on top

But he didn't do that, because he knew that someone who'd genuinely struggled all their life would have the drive and skill to beat him

Which is of course, exactly what happened, Raiden genuinely clawed his way to the top and earned his position, and beat Armstrong

Desperado was able to abduct children en masse, extract their brains, and put them all into war sims so they could eventually become brainwashed soldiers for personal profit AND THE COPS DEFENDED IT. Because it was wealth, because it's owner was a senator, because of a whole bunch of faux strength and authority derived from a source that was not their own. Pray tell how do you fix that from within the paradigm that created it? Raiden only struck it down because he, personally, was stronger and his own sense of justice wasn't restrained by legality.

Kek, this.
Armstrong's new world would unironically just be the same as it already was but even worse for the little guy. I can't imagine the lack of 24/7 streams of celebrity bullshit or chickenshit politicians would last for long either.

Which is of course, exactly what happened, Raiden genuinely clawed his way to the top and earned his position, and beat Armstrong

Too be fair to Armstrong, he didn't seethe and cope and mald when he was beaten by someone stronger. He accepted it.
If he made every single person on Earth into a badass super-soldier before bringing about his new world order that would have been giga-kino.

I'm bleeding, making me the victor

When you get right down to it, that's all his whole "might makes right" cope really is when Raiden kills him.

Which is of course, exactly what happened, Raiden genuinely clawed his way to the top and earned his position, and beat Armstrong

And armstrong actively supported it. The only flaw that people point out with "might makes right" character is

well they wouldn't like it if they were losing!

except Armstrong actually did. He wasn't some barbarian trying to justify his evil, he was a genuine darwinian idealist and fully accepted that Jack won the right shape the world with his own sense of justice through strength of arm and will.

If he made every single person on Earth into a badass super-soldier before bringing about his new world order that would have been giga-kino.

honestly that could be a good plot point for a sequel
One of the first batch of kids who's brain was taken and shoved into the training sims never got discovered and they actually got their mercenary graduation cyborg bodies
So new generation of mercenaries, and the leader of them is trying to fulfill what they believe Armstrong believed in
So they're trying to intentionally start a global nuclear warfare while also spreading around nanomachines, reset everything to 0 and see who comes out on top

And then Raiden having to deal with fighting child soldier fanatics

You're not, he's an ultra-capitalist right-wing accelerationist, a very elitist anti-humanist position to have which will alienate the majority of irrelevant plebeians who think no child should be left behind but there's nothing wrong with it. The good thing is that he lost to another cyber-augmented individual who gives zero fucks about the law, societal norms and plebs so his dream will live on. Capital and individuals always win.

except he genuinely got angry when Raiden got the means to fight back (Sam's sword)
He was only supportive of Raiden while Raiden was helpless, the minute Raiden starts actually fighting back he becomes a spiteful bastard who literally kicks a dog

You can't change society just by being president there are checks and balances plus other groups within the government that would stand in the way of him dismantling the government.

Really his America would just be a race to see who can build the biggest slave army fastest.

he lost to another cyber-augmented individual who gives zero fucks about the law, societal norms and plebs so his dream will live on.

Except that Jack is anti-child grooming and anti-ancap lolbert faggotry. Tyhat already makes jack the better man.

Yeah but he could break the president in two if he wanted

even raiden agrees with him in the end, he was the good guy all along

Well you can change society but not tear it down completely, which is what Armstrong wants.

Pretty sure once he believed he had the popular vote he would just go full dictator and have his new child soldier mercenaries hold the courts and legislators hostage. If he didn't get the popular vote he would probably just say "oh well" and do that anyway.

anti-child grooming

He's got two kids working for him in his mercenary business.

anti-ancap lolbert

The guy is a mercenary and ends the game saying he's got his own war to fight, give me a break he's no better than Armstrong.

I always just chalked that up to japs not understanding the president isn't the king of the usa.

a good country needs no weak people

Then why are you still alive?

even raiden agrees with him in the end

He doesn't though? Only int he most abstract

I fight for what I believe in no matter what anybody has

way, but that only makes him a typical anti-hero. Armstrong is still a villain.

Armstrong has no idea of what he's talking about and is a complete poser like half of Desperado. He has never actually been in a fight for his life, knows fuck all about fighting and hasn't even played sports in literal decades. Raiden already called him out effectively enough; he doesn't know shit about war and it's easy to claim might makes right when you're born to might and power without having struggled a day in your fucking life.

a. sapient robo dog
b. his decision to spare Sam and ingratiate his lack of purpose was coming back to bite him
c. the only thing you should be considering in the middle of a fight is victory, you save discussion of ideals for when guards are down

He's got two kids working for him in his mercenary business.

Who? The kid that he saved from Armstrong and dissuaded from being a soldier? The child that's just his friend lending him a rocket ride? Fucking Bladewolf?

He doesn't have anyone's best interests in mind and neither does he care about fairness or bruteforcing society into a might-makes-right meritocracy. He's just preaching for what would benefit him the most personally.

And total anarchy benefits him because he's got enough nanomachines inside him to wrestle metal gears, so when shit goes down and society collapses he can just kill everyone who disobeys him and become the defacto ruler of whatever's left without any chance of anyone mounting an organized resistance against him.

he didn't seethe and cope and mald when he was beaten by someone stronger. He accepted it.

Armstrong is a really poor loser and a dirty fighter, he whipped regenerative powers out of his ass against Sam and got a cheap shot with the solidified blade-arm thing, tries to tear apart Blade Wolf for a show of self-determination (remember, this is supposed to be Armstrong's entire maxim!) and for giving Raiden a weapon that could hurt him, and "FUCK THIS WAR I JUST WANT YOU DEAD" is one of his angry yells against Raiden in the final confrontation

Armstrong is a politician to the core, he's fucking furious when somebody can fight back on equal footing and he really isn't interested in fights where he thinks he might lose

He doesn't though?

are you asking me or are you telling me?

You're supposed to see him as a bad guy specifically BECAUSE of all the people he hurt.
He's just not wrong philosophically.
It'd be like if someone knew that pizza was great he blew up every other restaurant for miles.
Yeah pizza's still great but he's a fucking dick for blowing up Gonzalo's Taco Barn

Raiden already called him out effectively enough

the entire fucking point is that raiden failed to call him out as anything except being "batshit insane". Raiden doesn't know shit about armstrong. He played college football then went into the navy as all the proxy wars and patriot bullshit started, it'd be ridiculous to pretend he never saw combat.

remember, this is supposed to be Armstrong's entire maxim

Yes and part of his maxim is that anyone has the right to stomp you flat if they disagree with you and it's your own responsibility to defend yourself from it.

but what if another brazilian with a real japanese katana shows up? he is fucked

but the basic point remains, he's only accepting of someone standing up to him as long as he's talking to someone who can't stand up to him
at literally NO point does he actually say that Raiden has the right to kill him and do as he pleases, at NO point does he show any genuine idealism
The only time he talks to you is when he is convinced he's going to be the top dog of the new world

Your moralfagging is irrelevant to this discussion anyway, Raiden doesn't give a fuck about morality and neither does Armstrong, it doesn't matter if you think one is better than the other for not hurting kids.

The guy is a mercenary and ends the game saying he's got his own war to fight

Yes, but who is Jack fighting? The corrupt and powerful, the type of people that Armstrong palled around with. Jack is effectively fighting to take down the system that the Patriots left behind, but for real, that is why pigeonholing him into a left or right idelogy is impossible.

Honestly, I just really like running water and functioning toilets. Things that seem like they would be luxuries in Armstrong's America.

The samurai brazilian couldn't get the job done. He had to team up with an african (who had his own team). They were all individually weaker than Armstrong but ultimately their cooperation is what brought Armstrong down.

Yes it is in fact part of Armstrong's maxim that he, as a whorling cloud of nanomachines built into the shape of a roid-raging Aemrican, can do anything he wants to you and "you were weak" if you can't defend yourself against it, like say a half-broken robot dog not doing anything but passing over a sword

This is also why Armstrong isn't considered an intellectual giant by anybody except three ideologically-barren serial killers and why it's pretty much Raiden and the rest of Maverick that figures out Armstrong doesn't have any goal or plan in mind beyond cum-tributing the legacy of Solidus Snake

at literally NO point does he actually say that Raiden has the right to kill him and do as he pleases, at NO point does he show any genuine idealism

Because he looks like chudjak.png

Raiden doesn't give a fuck about morality

Everything he does is based on morality. Treating the media and cops like the corupt scum they are doesn't make him immoral.

Jack is effectively fighting to take down the system that the Patriots left behind

So is Armstrong, he's just doing it his own way, just like Raiden.

No Raiden has all the rights to call him out
His college football thing isn't supposed to make him look awesome
Here's how it actually looks: he's bragging about playing college football in the United States to someone who was a god damn child soldier and had to kill just to feed himself

He went in the US navy, as a rich boy, not the army, not the marines, not anywhere where he'd get even remotely close to action, he went in the friggin' navy as an OFFICER
You know how many officers in the US navy get killed in combat per year? Fucking none

He could have if he didn't stand around during Armstrong's five minute long charge up sequence.

Probably anything involving alien civilizations or angels trying to uplift humanity to their standards but I'm not sure.

Armstrong isn't actually doing anything to stop that, he's an accelerationist trying to force America into free-fall so that he can be king of whatever ashes remain.

You say that, but do I need to bring up the Low Flow toilet incident which literally only happened because of the kind of dipshit bureaucrat parasites that wouldn't exist in Armstrong's America.
Yeah imagine that, government corruption so bad you can't even get functioning toilets.
Except you don't have to imagine that it fucking HAPPENED.

The Master in Fallout 1?

like say a mechanical monstrosity capable of taking out geckos giving your opposing duelist fresh arms

I like how you try and spin blade wolf as some poor helpless dog. They're fighting for their lives and ideals, you want to butt in you should be ready for the consequences

Yould shit your pants if enough people told you you're supposed to go in the toilet lol
Contrarianism is the gayest possible attempt at a.personalitt, holy shit

I don't even think most americans understand the president isn't the king of the usa.

it's not like he teamed up with raiden more like history decided who is right, sam was kinda like ryuga from fist of the north star

armstrong a good boy he dindu nuffin

You know how many officers in the US navy get killed in combat per year? Fucking none

And the real life navy doesn't have to fight fucking metal gear rays

Because he's an insane idiot who doesn't see how this can affect the country he runs, PMC or not, that shit isn't going to help when the end result is a country-wide civil war while another more organized PMC or country can just pick off the weakened scraps and just as easily kill Armstrong and his nanomachines. People like him are exactly who the patriot AI talks about when it comes to individuals who will just fuck up everything due to lack of information and shortsightedness. And since Raiden was basically getting roasted by said AIs in MGS2 on how dumb humans like him can end up being and helped Snake shut things down, he would've known how badly things could've gone.

Snake and co. could've easily pulled off what Armstrong wanted on a global level by just killing the entire system but they knew how catastrophically that would end up.

All of you Luigi dick riders are fucking faggots.

He gave him his sword.

strawman

No, armstrong is a brutal warrior but don't for a fucking second try to pretend like jack and wolf are just some heccin poor civilians

Armstrong uses brain-transplanted child soldiers kidnapped off the street while Raiden doesn't but he is NO BETTER

holy lmao you are not serious

and how much combat does the Navy see against those Ray's even in the metal gear universe?
Armstrong most likely sat his ass part of a carrier group 500 miles away from anything that could even remotely count as action his entire service

he gave it to wolf and told him what happens after that is up to you

It makes him amoral and that's good enough. Jack the Ripper is a good boy, him and Armstrong are kindred spirits.

armstrong is a brutal warrior

armstrong literally did not see action before whatever mechanical augmentation he underwent, he fights like a drunken bar-brawler for good reason
his fighting style is "shitting on you from behind his invincible nanomachines"

Underrated

He was just being tsun.

It doesn't really matter who's the better man.

the Sam DLC makes it even more clear
Sam actually has combat experience and manages to come out nearly on top despite having at this point 0 cybernetic enhancements
Hell he can even taunt Armstrong into making reckless mistakes then exploit them

and how much combat does the Navy see against those Ray's even in the metal gear universe?

Who knows, but the existence of MGS4 means you can't just assume that it'd be a peaceful posting unless it's outright stated in one of the hours of codecs he never saw combat.
Yes and? How does that change the fact that he was tearing jack apart? Experience makes a professional soldier, a warrior is any cunt who's willing and able to hack you to pieces.

Better than licking boot!

How tough is Armstrong before charging up? Comparable to Vamp?

The constant whining from poor people with bad genetic lineages is insufferable.

How does that change the fact that he was tearing jack apart?

there is no way you *don't* understand armstrong has no combat experience and his success is due to super-technology bordering on invincibility that no other human on the planet has access to which he does because he is a rich baby boy

Like someone said above, it's a lazy goal to burn the world down to ashes than to actually fixing it. Which isn't exactly a motivation people should agree with, it's just a motivation that seems like a realistic thing to actually happen because ultimatedly, even if you wanna interpret Armstrong's point about "eliminating the weak" as "remove the weak scumbags that are at the top of the world to show them people who truly know how the real world feels like", that's not the case because the guy didn't even try to deny the part his plan is just senseless killing for the sake of putting (((whoever))) that sticks with his plan at the top of the food chain.

For all the "Armstrong is right!" nonsense i keep hearing about, you read inbetween the lines and realize that if his actual goal was to end the corrupt government that was left after the fall of the patriots, then the logical conclusion would be to systematically cull that shit without resorting to abducting children and turn them into warmachines, moreso when Armstrong himself is basically the fucking Hulk, he said it himself, he could snap the president in two with his bare hands, i don't think he needes Desperado and their psychotic technology for his actual needs, he could just rip the veil blinding the true american patriots and get them to not fight wars for Israel or get extorted by China or flat out use those child cyborgs to instead enact a total cartel carnage which hits the nail on the head about his first part where he says "we're just killing madmen" because nothing shows a display of power than putting the heads of those who've caused great harm in pikes for everyone to see to not fuck with this Senator.

But alas, Armstrong is just a glowie just like all the rest and his plan is just keeping the same agenda regardless of outcome, no better than what the Patriots did.

Who knows, but the existence of MGS4 means you can't just assume that it'd be a peaceful posting unless it's outright stated in one of the hours of codecs he never saw combat.

No, it in fact was a peaceful posting. He was explicitly stated to have never seen combat in the codecs.
This is also blatantly evidenced in the gameplay itself by how he fights like a total amateur with stupidly telegraphed and unpracticed attacks, constantly overextending and never leveraging his defensive abilities or even playing defensively when he's vulnerable at all

Sounds like white people white peopling, but okay

he never even once makes any attempt to keep a guard over his one vulnerable spot
meaning he's either incapable of doing so, or even worse, doesn't even realize he has a weak spot
either is the sign of an inexperienced fighter

there is no way you *don't* understand you're trying to move the goalposts by focusing on shit that doesn't matter

He was explicitly stated to have never seen combat in the codecs.

Mind linking? I believe it but fuck me i'm not sitting through all those hours.

This is more retarded than OPs take. People who can afford to live in gated separated communities with private security will be the only people who can live ordinary lives. We have plenty of real life third world countries to look at and see this. The regular cunts will eat each other not organize raids on private compounds

His weak spot is his heart, and patriot tech is out there for anyone to grab now. If he really became a threat to the system, they'd just kill him with super foxdie.

which he does because he is a rich baby boy

It doesn't matter how he got access to it. He's better because of it. Rich people are better than you and you're going to have to come to terms with it.

The regular cunts will eat each other not organize raids on private compounds

Not when a regular fucking metro cop is capable of augmenting himself to be able to take on a UG slaughtering cyborg.

Conversation with Kevin.

Raiden: Armstrong used to play football?

Kevin Washington: Apparently. Quarterback for the University of Texas, so he must've been pretty good, too.

Raiden: So the star-quarterback turns big-time politician, huh? Guess he'd have no problem dodging shoes from angry protesters.

Kevin: Well, it shows he's always been a leader, one way or another.

Raiden: He's obviously not just some dumb jock, or this would be a lot easier.

Kevin: Yeah. Too bad he didn't go pro, right? We wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Raiden: (Eh) They woulda chewed him up and spit him out. He looks strong -- for a politician. But nothing too serious. Definitely no Wind of Destruction.

Kevin: Well, sure. You're not exactly a seasoned fighter, either. Didn't see any action with the Navy... And you know he can't be a cyborg. A public figure couldn't hide that for long. Not with current tech.

shit that doesn't matter

the specific reason Armstrong is capable of going toe-to-toe with anyone in Rising

the specific reason Armstrong is considered an enormous hypocrite by almost every speaking character, including one of his lieutenants

Give me your testicles.

He was killed by a man who opposed his world view, thus making him wrong.

>the specific reason Armstrong is capable of going toe-to-toe with anyone in Rising

Doesn't matter since an UNAUGMENTED MAN is also capable of fucking raiden AND armstrong's shit up
It is literally not relevant to his philosophy.

Honestly if he was able to grab the nanomachines from the Patriots what's the odds some other politicians did the same?
What if he rolls up to the Senate and some senator tears off his skin to reveal his energy lifeform technology he stole, and another reveals his clone army, and another shifts into a kaiju

unaugmented man wearing an exoskeleton

Sam's advantage is in reflexes and experience, not physical strength. He'd blow his arm off if he tried the rifle iaijutsu without the exoskeleton.

Doesn't matter since an UNAUGMENTED MAN is also capable of fucking raiden AND armstrong's shit up

The SECOND Armstrong stops fucking around with Sam, he wins. He got to cut off his arm because he wasn't taking it seriously; in one move he just moves faster then Sam could react, cuts off his arm and there is literally nothing he can do about it.

I don't know if you've noticed yet, anon, but the "bad guy" in like 90-95% of all media is actually the "good guy". Or at the bare minimum, just a guy with differing opinions and values than the MC. It's all about matter of perspective. But yes, Armstrong was 100% in the right. It's also funny how in the ending scenes, Maverick acknowledges that the demand for PMCs is rising up again and Raiden goes on his own little vendetta. So the moral to the story is the events in MGR had no effect on the global war economy.

To be fair Sam was fucking around too. If he rushed Armstrong before letting him charge up, it'd be a much different fight.

Sam has an exoskeleton and he kinda shat on him once he actually got mad.

Armstrong also could have just charged up before he entered the building though
You're not exactly wrong but he would literally just be a normal guy. Sure Sam would beat Armstrong if they were both naked in the woods but if they're both using equipment...

what he said matters not when he came to the conclusion that eating babies is the solution.

Is there any way to make a sequel to rising?
Nanoaugs in the metal gear universe are crazier than in Deus Ex. Imagine a production version of Armstrongs nanomachines being sold the world over.

Sam's advantage is in reflexes and experience, not physical strength

Holy shit you're missing the point. Sam should have no advantage at all, he shouldn't even be able to deflect bullets, and yet still is fucking up cyborg abominations with nothing more than an heirloom sword, he lost because he lacked the will which is the entire damn point. He didn't understand or believe in anything he was really fighting for and lost because of lacking the will to win. The entire point of armstrong is that men should fight for their own causes and be damned if they either can't or won't.
Raiden has spent his entire life since six years old in war or preparing for war, he is not lesser than sam in any respect.

Because he said the strong should take from the weak? So fucking what?

Someone stronger took his ideas and threw them in the trash

the devs flat out said that if Sam himself had studied Armstrong long enough to find his weak spot instead of going for a quick kill he would have won

The only "argument" against Armstrong is weak impotent seething because you're not a cool strong cyborg like Raiden to take him down and accidentally prove him right anyway. Acceleration arises from positive feedback in production and Armstrong knows this better than anyone in the Metal Gear universe. He's a great man and I would've voted for him.

essentially this just as in the real world:
if you have a very bad view point or do something very bad, but you can defeat the police's first squat of 4 cops, then the next squat of 10 cops, then the whole local police, then the army, then the army of the region, and then the army of the all nations opposing you, you are a king whose opinion and actions are truth and moral. You can say that 1 + 1 =3 and for as long as you can kill at least the 5 million NATO soldiers + like 100 000 cops + the gay EU army of 1-2 million and probably the chinese and russian armies also around a total of 10m... you are correct.
Kill 20 million men and you are correct regardless of your opinion and moral regardless of your actions.
Also there will always be another 20 million moral fags you have to kill too after this... so Stalin numbers are the right numbers. He too had problems convincing people of his ideas, but after killing 42 million people it became clear that he was correct.

His idea is fundementally flawed because he acts as if he tearing the system down would put everyone on equal playing grounds, while in reality it would just mean there's nothing to stop the already wealthy and powerful from even bigger powergrabs.

Really it would probably end up a military junta vs the insane president and his robot mexicans.

Dude he would collapse America and you would end up as a slave or dead

he acts as if he tearing the system down would put everyone on equal playing grounds

This is the complete opposite of his goal. Tearing the system down would put the strong on top.

And who'd be the strong on top?
The ones already in power.

It's always funny how the people who support Armstrong are the exact weak minded pawns who would be crushed under foot by him.

I'm also amused at how the right wing media, who's followers always end up supporting Armstrong, are still constantly running damage control over this with the latest gem being.

No, Luigi Mario Is Not a ‘Morally Good Man’

Ends often do justify the means
butchering children is completely fine, why do you think Israel bombs Palestine?
The world would be a better place without Palestinians
youtu.be/sPD4WLLxMaw?si=qyGFF8EZgigMTyNk

Both are better than being a mutt golem.

also because of human inflation the real number today for being based would be more like 80 million. Believe me, kill 80 million people and people will repeat every word you say.

and accidentally prove him right anyway.

Prove him right on what, might-makes-right? That's not an ideology it's a fact-of-life and a law of physics. Armstrong predicated his life on the idea that the sky was blue. Armstrong was also deliriously horny to BE George Sears AKA Solidus Snake because his own life and career was barren.

Armstrong lost, therefore he's evil

The ones already in power.

Armstrong could break the president and his entire cabinet in two. The system is designed precisely so the strong don't always come out on top.

Uhhhh I really don't think you appreciate what you have
I really don't see how your current life could be worse than being a slave unless you're already a slave

Yeah, obviously might makes right. The one who has the power makes the rules, that is WHAT THE WORD MEANS. That is the DEFINITION OF POWER
It's a basic fact of life, it's a result of logic. Of fucking course might makes right, stop acting as if it's some profound statement

Armstrong could afford to go to college and play college ball. Not everyone has the chance to become strong

he would collapse America

Only the state which isn't that big of a deal. Not everyone out there wants to turn you into a slave or a pile of meat goo, don't be so pessimistic.

You're probably not even living in a bad spot and if you were, you're too submissive to do anything other than being an idle background cardboard target in whatever world Armstrong wants.
Never crave for freedom when its taste would be repulsive for you.

How would the rich not have the same massive advantage as Armstrong (can afford cybernetics and cybersoldier armies) letting them rule as unquestioned feudal warlords in the broken America?

Not everyone out there wants to turn you into a slave or a pile of meat goo, don't be so pessimistic.

What about the imminent riots when everyone chimps out then? Do you expect a bunch of rabid folk to spare you?

Not everyone has the chance to become strong

Then they should fight to become strong, like Raiden did. See, that's why Armstrong loves the guy.

They would have that advantage. If you asked Armstrong he'd spout some incoherent bullshit about how the truly strong always rise to the top but he is one of the 0.01% that have the deck stacked in their favor, he just wants to stack it even harder

Raiden fought to become strong and fucking hates it, which is why he does not love Armstrong back and calls him out for being the annoying poser faggot that he is.

Not everyone out there wants to turn you into a slave or a pile of meat goo

Armstrong does and he's the king anarchist in this situation. Genuinely what do you think the best case scenario is when a bunch of rich power hungry nanomachine and cybernetic fueled psychopaths start fighting over products, and you are either a product or a liability?

Raiden fought to become strong and fucking hates it

That's his own personal problem. Precisely because he fought to become strong is why he can stop Armstrong. Maybe Raiden should stop being a bitch. That's what Monsoon was trying to teach him too. The entire game is therapy for Jack.

Like most revolutionaries, the portions of his political philosophy that criticize the status quo are very accurate, whereas the solutions he offers are more questionable. I think this scene lands because criticisms of the modern system have been so thoroughly counter-propagandized that most people reject them out of hand, but this guy's approach is novel enough[1] that it slips past those defenses. It also helps that it's presented as somewhat silly fiction, rather than a live political actor trying to convince you to vote or act in some way.

[1] It's not especially novel in the historical sense, but it's close enough for the modern westerner.

That's what Monsoon was trying to teach him too.

Monsoon also hates it and is in fact blatantly coping. In fact when he starts losing he drops his ideology completely and begs for his life lmao

You just need to kill steal and thug that shit out to survive in a dumpster until you get lucky to get picked up by Big Boss and his Outer Heaven cronies bro!!! Anyone can make it!!

You know what sickens me about this topic?
That this kind of mentality is what's called Survivorship bias and people would die before culling said bias out of their mental psyche. And 9/10 it's just dumbass grifters telling you this shit like the shit you see on Anon Babble with all of the "We're all gonna make it, brah!" nonsense that still gets posted, as if spamming motivational shit isn't something that fries someone's dopamine receptors the same way constant masturbation does.
Then again, that board would tell someone a deaf guy that if he lifts a stone, he'll get to hear again.

imminent riots when everyone chimps out

Why do you assume everyone would chimp out? Most people want comfort and safety. The most likely scenario is everyone trying to get into their corporation's newly founded city states to keep working behind walls with a PMC protecting them.

fight to become strong

get mulched like the rest of the poor bastards who aren't lottery winners

This is like that gambler meme where 99% of them give up before they finally make it except that 99% is them dying horrible deaths

Insane how a guy that lived on Pol fucking Pot's terrifying dictatorship (was probably an executioner peforming acts of torment beyond human comprehesion) would beg for his life during his final moments before getting turned into gameboy cartridge-sized chunks of slag.

What would Armstrong's opinion on King Kong be?

Live in North Korea-level isolationist cities, but with the actual weight of what NK's propaganda would drill into its people about the outside world as going outside the safety ground = haha u die

I'm pretty sure MGS4 said something about "It'll be the wild west all over again".

Setting aside the several completely reprehensible things he did, his arguments not only fail to propose why his views are morally superior to the status quo, but he fails to lay out any long term plan or proof that guarantees his ideas wouldn't just reduce society to Mad Max dystopian where everything is a cause for violent conflict with nothing in place defend any form of order or basic human rights, and yes, he is a blatant hypocrite, his entire revolution is funded by the very same corrupt war machine he says he's trying to end, that's the literal textbook definition of hypocrisy.

current life where you don't have to be a wagie

new life where you are going to be a slave to a corporation that forces you to work for your survival and can oppress you as much as they like because there's genuinely nothing you can do about it

if you're lucky

Why would you want this

Would you live in a New Vegas ruled by Mr. House? Most optimistic scenario in such a world would be Hong Kong/Singapore tier cities, not NK.

Of course he was wrong. That Japan themed reception area was fucking cool.

might makes right!!

NOT LIKE THAT

faggot

Most optimistic scenario in such a world would be Hong Kong/Singapore tier cities, not NK.

Yeah that's the most OPTIMISTIC, not most likely. Realistically that would not happen.

I would rather not live in Fallout's settiing in the very first fucking place, which is what Armstrong's retarded ideology would lead to.
But hey you do you, assuming the mojave patrolling does not make you rethink if being a "mutt golem" was ever a bad thing.

Fate Grand Order (gacha) features Kirschtaria Wodime, who decided the best way for humanity to rise above alien and mythological gods alike was to become gods themselves. He also believed that if no one could bully one another as all powerful immortals, people would eventually learn to respect other points of view.
He's actually about to pull it off after your battle but he gets stabbed in the back by the psycho killer he trusted because they once adventured together (the killer forgot and Wodime never reminded him).

lock everyone on an unmoderated Anon Babble board where were forced to listen to each other's retarded opinions forever

Thank goodness he failed.

Realistically there would also be Hong Kong/Singapore tier cities out there too. In such a fragmented world better societies would rise to the top and survive.

Wodime's plan hypothetically turning us all into gods (and this will totally solve all problems guys trust me) does not compensate for the fact that 8 billion people plus whoever's in the other Lostbelts have to die for it to happen.

Ok, let's say that there are a few nice rich people. Ones that survive, buy enough tech to fight off other warlords, decide to make a city that's actually not so bad, and then is able to defend it from other warlords.
What do you think are the chances that you end up here and not in Mr Moneybags' gold mines?

I would rather not live in Fallout's settiing in the very first fucking place

It's just the first vidya city-state that came to mind. Armstrong's ideology wouldn't turn the world into a post-apoc junkyard but it'd slowly fragment and break down society into smaller social systems.

except they wouldn't survive
you think Singapore or Hong Kong survive by themselves?
They only exist because of the nations around them, because they're in a convenient spot that lets them take advantage of the world
You can't have Singapore without China, the United States and all the third world nations that feed them

That depends on an individual's worth. Why should YOU be in the nice place and not the shit one? Will the shit place survive if all they got is worthless slave dummies?

That depends on an individual's worth.

Unfortunately it does not.

Will the shit place survive if all they got is worthless slave dummies?

Yes. They have worthless slave dummies (you) to mine gold while Mr Moneybags buys child soldiers from Mexico (or maybe he sources them natively) to ensure you don't revolt and keep working.
You don't understand Armstrong's world. There's no chance to become strong if you weren't already or become extremely extremely lucky. You will be a slave in his world to a rich person,

I'll take the coal mines and 5~ years life expectancy thanks

Temporarily embarrassed strongs the thread

Armstrong was a larping nepobaby, notice how the game even goes as far as to tell you he never even saw combat in the navy. He had all the opportunies. He never had to fight to survive, Raiden did. Which is why he knows exactly what men like Armstrong cause. Easy to talk about burning it all down and the strong eating the weak from your ivory castle

Interesting how Armstrong and Trump are alike in that they both have the same goal of burning down America so they can crown themselves king of the rubble. Both are weak by themselves but get boosted by NANOMACHINES and a corrupt system willing to defend them to the death respectively, which causes their means of destroying everything different with Armstrong trying to brute force it, while Trump is turning the system on itself with his army of right wing think tank goons.

Makes you wonder given how good Armstrong's speech writer is, how would Armstrong have fared if he took the cult of personality route to take over the Republican party and undermined America that way rather than just build an army of child soldiers and NANOMACHINE himself.

I'm no commie but this kind of simpery for rich people is pathetic.

t. White Devil

You feel that way because you're evil.
Evil people don't understand ethics, so they substitute it with twisted "logic" and adherence to dogma. They don't even realize their own deficiency and think everyone else does the same thing.

Anon, he was literally trying to kill the people who were doing that.

so true sister
#loveconquershate

yeah the strong should take from the weak

The ones who win write the history books to paint themselves as just. Doesn't mean they actually fucking are you retard.