Best anime

best anime

gets the worst games

neither is the best anime and it doesn't get the worst games.

best anime is subjective but worst games has to be either VN crap or turn-based crap.

Everyone shits on arena fighters but at least are better than turn based BS.

Supersonic Warriors is good

Dragon Ball is the only anime that has been getting consistently good games

>gets the worst games

because they all focus on Z shit which, in videogame terms, peaked with either Budokai 3 or Budokai Tenkaichi 3. There's no point playing anything else.

make an original dragon ball game already. so much cool potential for a good adventure game.

make an original dragon ball game already. so much cool potential for a good adventure game.

Um...

Dragon Ball is quite literally the only anime IP that ever gets anything approaching good games. Yugioh maybe a decade ago if you like the card game but Konami just stopped making games there for a while

Early DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > Daima > ToP Super> GT > Rest of Super

DBZ > ToP Super > Super > DB > GT >>>> Daima

DBZ > DB > Final 2 Daima episodes > Super > GT > Daima > DBZ when Vegeta is zenkai farming

Advanced Adventure ALONE proves you dead wrong.

If you're breaking it up like that then Baby Arc can move up and the rest of GT can move down to the bottom.

Various anime have gotten good fighting games made by 8ing over the years.

at first I kind of disliked FighterZ
and then i thought it was really good
too bad it's pretty dead now

What the hell are you talking about Dragon ball is anomaly that got video games for like 4 decades? Sure some bad ones pop up but most animes don't get video games for that long. Plus DragonBall will never not get video games it's too lucrative.

sadly yes, i wanted to practice but nowadays you only find smurfers

:(

Dragon Ball falling off so hard that Daima is getting nominated for a Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award

if only Toriyama had croaked right after the Super Broly movie, before he wrote Super Latino and Daipa...

best anime

Dragon Ball

Get some taste faggot.

DBZ is a trash shonen. Please rewatch it and see why. I like Dragon Ball though and FighterZ was fun for a minute.

budokai tenkaichi though

OUR HEROES

Daima that high

At least I could finish super

tranime

This is a GODvel board pups.

GT >Shitper

hey you never sent me the hulk games

DBZ > GT
*AURAFUL POWER GAP, CAUSE THE SERIES NEVER LOOKS OR SOUNDS THIS GOOD AGAIN*
Super Broly > SDBH > DBS > Fan Fiction & Parody > Super Hero > Daima

i can't believe i lived long enough to see the Kids Next Door parody rendition of Super Saiyan become officially recognized canon material.

You'd be surprised how many "super fans" don't even know about the OG Dragonball. They u ironically think z is the start

What the fuck is that on the left?

They u ironically think z is the start

Which is wild cause the Goku vs Vegeta fight is way better if you have the context of the childhood saga

Vegeta's dogshit official Super Saiyan 3 look from Daima.

You're literally an obsessed retard. If you don't like turn basef games then don't fucking talk about them, especially when you're brown and low IQ. You should just shut the fuck up because when you don't you just say embarassing, selfish and stupid things.

Dbz is like skyrim: normalfags love it, it's padded to hell and back, there's a lot of very stupid writing. But for some reason, in spite of all that, it manages to nail the fundamentals so well that it becomes inescapably genre defining and beloved. It might not be true for you, but I guarantee that most people that talk shit about skyrim here come back to it again every now and then just to relive the "magic" and the experience of it all.

What the fuck dude

i know, bro. i don't know what the fuck they were thinking.

100% agree. Z and Super on the other hand have only gotten trash.

That's not Fullmetal Alchemist

best anime

gets the worst games

A Gin tama thread? On my Anon Babble?!!!

peaked with either Budokai 3 or Budokai Tenkaichi 3

We had Infinite world, Burst limit, Attack of the Saiyans, Extreme Butoden and FighterZ, faggot. All high tier games.

Trash;Gate

lmao

If you think DBZ games are bad, I cannot imagine what you must think of the rest of the licensed anime game landscape. Bamco plays favorites with DBZ and Naruto, everyone else gets the short end of the dick.

You have to be fucking kidding me. I saw that pick in a few threads, I guess while Daima was airing, but I always assumed it was some joke image generated by the eternally assblasted and psychotic halls of /dbs/.

padded to hell and back

The anime is padded. The manga has 0 fluff

I do. Toriyama has always made fun of Vegeta by making him a cocky punching bag who never gets the winning hit on any big bad, I have no doubt he pulled this as a joke. I don't hate him for it and it's hard to care when I already have no interest in Daima or most DBS after the Kefla fight, but damn.

disagree. FighterZ is spectacular, Sparking Zero will probably be a hit after a couple years of mod innovation, and Xenoverse 2 with mods is the Skyrim of DBZ games. i would even be excited for another SDBH game that serves as a sort of "Complete Edition" of the original arcade game since they sunset it. it would be a shame for all those assets to cease to exist instead of being preserved in a console/PC game.

The manga is also way more violent.

Indeed. However they still kneel to the two threes.
The animes for all series of DB are more canon than the mangas.

bad games before 2000

good games between 2001 and 2010

mediocre games after 2010

Recommendations:

Kakarot for all the lore , Fighterz for a good original story and Sparking Zero for gameplay.

McDonalds of the Shonen genre.

Full Metal Alchemist is the greatest Shonen of all time. Idiots will sit there and tell me to my face that DBZ is better than FMA, it blows my mind. DBZ isn't even better than Yu Yu Hakusho. Naruto is better than DBZ, Hunter x Hunter is better than DBZ. The first two seasons of Bleach are better than DBZ.

Never realized how bad the anatomy is for Goku's arm. The bicep does not look like that from that angle. The brachialis and the connected ligaments goes there

Tailor made system for a video game

Current arc has been about a video game

Only thing I've seen is some autist trying to recreate it in Dreams

youtube.com/watch?v=JaHT0cthUMo

I just need something

Have you considered that SS3 is ugly as shit in general? Aint no way you sat there unironically with a straight face the first time you saw Goku with no eyebrows and ridiculously long spikey hair. That shit was so bad that Toriyama made the transformation irrelevant for 30 years.

Dragon Ball: The Breakers turned out to be pretty good.

This...is the way.

Why is all other shonen so fucking GAY compared to DBZ? Everyone I watched has all these attempts at serious scenes and sad childhood flashbacks that are just cringe and corny. It makes you appreciate Toriyama's masterful writing more.

ENTER

FMA03 stopped being a proper shonen in later seasons when it got super pseud and up its own ass waxing philosophical and shit.

The objectively correct order according to most people

DB = DBZ > Daima > Super > GT > SDBH

DBZ animators draw muscles all day long and they're never even close to anatomically correct.

The animes for all series of DB are more canon than the mangas.

Get that filler shit outta here. FUCK the driving episode

why are you replying to obvious bait

I am not a smart man

No, SSJ 3 Goku is peak. He looks primal and more simian which is fitting. The "now his hair is pink!!" transformations are uninspired slop

Daima is a rehashed waste of time and it's not even really canon. How is it that XV did demons better than Daima?

Infinite world was better than Budokai 3.

It's almost like it reflects videogames before and after the 7th generation... almost...

Full Metal Alchemist is the greatest Shonen of all time

Not HnK

Lol lmao

They draw better muscles. They draw the kinds of muscles God wishes he could have designed us with.

Toriyama made the transformation irrelevant for 30 years

He was told to make new transformations for toys and by buu he wanted off the ride

vise versa

FUCK the kinoing episode

Why are you?

Daima almost feels malicious to me, as a fan.

Vegeta finally catches up to Goku and gets Super Saiyan 3

Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta beats a mini-boss but gets crushed by the real big bad

like 4 episodes later a Namekian transforms Goku into an iteration of Super Saiyan 4 that looks so bad, that even on deviantart nobody has ever drawn it that way in the 20 years since GT

the Fusion Bug was a red herring

the big final villain is Jiren with a Jester head, powered up to an asinine degree by a common Demon Realm cooking ingredient

all of this occurs before DBS for some arbitrary reason

i don't get it. the only aspect i ended up enjoying was Kuu and Duu hanging out with not!Towa.

yeah, they've really derailed and diluted the series with this shit. there's no reason Toriyama shouldn't have used the classic Super Saiyan 3 and 4 designs instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. now i gotta live in a world where the official, canon version of Super Saiyan 4 has cropped sleeves, Donkey Kong forearms, and beltless bright orange sweatpants.

That was not bait. Driving episode is dumb like all the other filler.

J

peak

primal

You're a fucking retard. He looks like an idiot. There's nothing primal about the character. In fact, SS3 has canonically gotten it's ass kicked in EVERY fight it's ever appeared in. Never won one battle. It's not even a practical transformation and has the biggest setbacks of any other forms.

b-b-b-but it feels like original Dragon Ball!

toei will never learn the differences between DB and DBZ or S besides "goku is small"

Growing up is realizing that Toriyama was a hack and Dragon Ball was always shit. Dragon Ball GT was the most decent DB and it's because it wasn't made by Toriyama.

You just have bad taste

Have you considered that SS3 is ugly as shit in general?

That's not really the point. Ugly or not, it's an iconic design that's appeared one way for 20 years, even when DBH was giving it away to everyone. There was no reason to reinvent the wheel for Daima other than maybe the fact kid Vegeta with classic Super Saiyan 3 hair looks like Gotenks.

Budokai Tenkaichi 3

I never got the appeal of making Goku like a kid again whether physcially like in Daima and GT or mentally like in Daima super. He had his arc he's a grown ass man now. Daima should have attempted to make Goten and Trunks actual characters

>like 4 episodes later a Namekian transforms Goku into an iteration of Super Saiyan 4 that looks so bad,

Goku had already stated he learned how to do the transformation prior to it's introduction in Daima. Clearly you weren't paying attention. Also the new SS4 looks a billion times better than the GT version. Not only does it have a more consistent color scheme unlike GT where he had pink fur and black hair for no reason, but giving him big ape-like hands and a more vicious animalistic style of attacking was something they NEVER even attempted in GT. It's unquestionably an upgrade in every way and anyone who disagrees is just lying or being a contrarian.

DBZ>DB>>>>>>>DBGT>>>>>>>Daima>>>>>>>>Super Heroes>Super

better muscles

They look like blobs. The tricep is a highly aesthetic muscle and they make it look like a tube with a squiggle.

all this nigga had to do was leave the color palette alone... even the cropped sleeves don't look as egregious with the original palette...

Years ago we all thought we wanted more Dragon Ball after Z ended...

Borderline based take

bad palette

That's not really the point. Ugly or not, it's an iconic design that's appeared one way for 20 years, even when DBH was giving it away to everyone.

That doesn't even make any sense. Not all super Saiyan transformations look the same because everyone has different hair. Just like how Gohan and Trunks have different styles when they transform. Same thing with Goku and Vegeta. This notion that SS3 has to ALWAYS look the same on every character is ridiculous when the only characters up until this point who had used it were Goku and Gotenks. Of course, it would obviously change depending on the character using it. It's always been that with with SS transformations.

DB and DBZ was one continuity there was no break in between the last episode of DB and the first episode of Z.

KINO palette

That looks horrendous. You have bad taste.

so butthurt about Toriyama fixing a bad design, he saved a bunch of fanmade deviantart edits to post as if anyone thinks this gay shit looks good

kek

It's unquestionably an upgrade in every way

any episode of GT looks better than any episode of DBS/Daima. digital shading was a mistake.

Not all super Saiyan transformations look the same

somebody hasn't done their Googles. all Super Saiyan 3's have been depicted with the same hairstyle (and assorted bangs) until Daima broke pattern.

Oh well at least the fight looks cool

trvth nvke

it gets exactly what it deserves

Buus Fury was the best game

any episode of GT looks better than any episode of DBS/Daima. digital shading was a mistake.

Lmao GT had dogshit animation though. Daima has better art and animation than GT while Super had consistently better animation but worse art until the ToP where it got good.

forgot

Vegeta cucked out of Super Saiyan 4

GT clears just off the strength of elevating both characters to the same level instead of arbitrarily leaving Vegeta behind.

You're literally posting non-canon media slop nonsense made by random developers.

bad color palette

looks badass to me

KINO color palette

AIEEEEEEE

You're literally posting officially licensed media from an officially licensed product!

i know

Are we just going to suddenly pretend SS4 goku didn't always have a gay pink color. Making it more red isn't accurate.

I thought people really liked Kakarot though

SHITpercucks

GTrannies

Everyone shits on arena fighters but at least are better than turn based BS.

The best DBZ game is turn based. Kill yourself.

iteration of Super Saiyan 4 that looks so bad

It's the best the transformation has looked and the most savage Goku has looked in the form. GT wishes it make Goku look as threatening at Daima's.

the red is a menacing color

the entire point of SSJ4 is that Goku is at his most primal

clash that with fucking black

Learn color theory you stupid bitch.

Daima too high, GT too low (it's shit, but it had the decency of having the single most kino song in the entire franchise)

It's literally not canon. You're unironically posting SS4 Broly as an example which doesn't even make sense and completely contradicts the "legendary" super saiyan transformation which has no need for basic numbered transformations since by default, it's the ultimate version of that form. If Toriyama didn't design it, it doesn't exist. Video games, spin-offs, toys ect... None of it matters.

I regret buying Sparking Zero

Daima too high, GT too low

You're wrong.

desu the best "new" super saiyan I've seen was the one in DB Multiverse. they basically attain Gohans "mystic" level. it's explained as all the super saiyan levels being wasteful on energy with the flaming auras and lightning and especially SS3 sapping your stamina away.
so instead they get the same thing Gohan has, all the power but no aura and no waste. the only physical change is that they have green eyes.

I mean yeah it's a cop out and kind of lazy as far as design goes, but they know that any new design they'd come up with would be crap fanwank (one of the minicomics even parody the DBAF ssj5 design).

They deserve some respect for knowing their limits and trying to work around it.

DB and DBZ was one continuity there was no break in between the last episode of DB and the first episode of Z.

There was a 3-4 year time skip, but that happens frequently. There's one every time they start preparing for the next budokai, there was one when they start preparing for the androids, one after Cell died, etc.

neither is the best anime and it doesn't get the worst games.

Cheono Trigger exists and is a dogshit game

GT is exactly where it needs to be and even that if deserves to be lower. That show is beyond ass and I'll never understand why the defense force for it is so strong when a simple rewatch will show you how terrible and poorly paced it all is.

nobody is hiding the fact Goku's fur is a reddish-pink. the sky is just red, so red light is being cast against his fur. it's called a lighting environment. lol

This. It's underage contrarian hipsters that come online that have this revisionist view of it because they think it makes them look unique but any fan that watched the show when it came out remembers how disappointing that shit was.

you're unironically posting SS4 Broly

no i didn't? you're super riled up, bro. relax. lol

1/10, i replied.

NTA but Daima was fucking terrible.

first third is just LOL OUR SPACESHIP GOT STOLEN AGAIN

second third is just rushed plot trying to make up for lost time

final third is just lol we'll put in some high quality fights so you can pretend the anime was good and have a better lasting impression

I’d say dbz gets the best anime game adaptations of all time desu

putting anything after 2009 above anything from before then is deranged. DBZ's art direction and sound design fell off a fucking cliff after the 90's and 00's and has never recovered.

Super had consistently better animation

lol, ok.

Don't forget that Mexican's love the shit out GT as well for some reason.

posting a frame from the last 20 episodes of the series, when the art team finally started getting their act together

too bad about literally everything up till that point. if you go back and watch the BLU-RAYS of the Goku Black arc, that shit looks like an episode of SDBH.

It's crazy that you're using basic exploration which every show has as a criticism as well as vaguely expressed non-issues about a plot you refuse to even get into.

that even on deviantart nobody has ever drawn it that way in the 20 years since GT

Specially funny considering Black Rose was on DA years before Shitper

Such is life when you start production on your series before the writers finish writing the script. :/

It's incredible that we are at the point that the DB AF design is basically just one step away.

exactly! even DeviantArt niggas thought SS4 with cropped sleeves and SS God's color palette was a bad idea. that's the most damning indictment i can think of for a Dragon Ball form. lol

That's why I literally mentioned the ToP in the same post
Dude you really want to get into this? Super had objectively better animation than 99.9% of GT and I'll show you right now. Here for example is the FINAL battle of GT between the heroes and the MAIN VILLAIN of the final arc. They couldn't even put in the money or the effort to animate the biggest fight of the series. Not one cool memorable moment of back & forth choreographed fighting with high quality animation. Not one moment. If you this shit bad, imagine how the earlier parts of the series looked. GT had AWFUL animation.

At least Super had an excuse for some bad animation early on since it was a rushed production.

Now compared that to the final battle in Super. It's night and day.

Don't care. Dan Dan Kokoro is kino. Cope, seethe and dilate.

Based.

Lmao SS4 inspired DeviantArt is far more egregious.

Multiverse

Do they use it to keep correcting that naught girl?

Mexicans stopped loving GT as soon as Shitper came out. You're out of touch with reality if you truly believe that.
t.Pablo

Not one cool memorable moment of back & forth choreographed fighting with high quality animation. Not one moment.

Neither did DBS. Checkmate, atheists.

Son stole this design from Heroes' Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4 form, and thought nobody would notice if he switched up the arms and aura... s,m,h...

fixing

die pablo

Dragon Ball as a whole is an 8/10 imo

What an amazing game. The Piccolo OST is kino.

Neither did DBS. Checkmate, atheists.

Lmao okay dude

There are actual faggots in this thread defending Daima and Super

The only wrong the spaniards did was taking pity on you

That's just the aura you retard. I bet you're one of those people who unironically think Kaioken is the same as God mode.

????

The only good panel in that turd of a fake manga

Four whites and the token black

90's - 00's DBZ is a solid 9/10
10's - 20's DBZ is a weak 7/10
20's - Present DBZ is 4/10

only exceptions are Super Broly and SDBH, which are both 8/10's.

It would be more weird if we were defending GT. At least those other shows have redeemable qualities.

The naughty girl got humbled big time by her super weak alternate universe counterpart, and decided she needs to be more like her. She then gives up her last fight before throwing a punch, knowing that the Super Namek would have a better chance against the next opponent because that guy uses magic.

Right now the Super Namek lost (beaten by Janemba, then almost eaten by the big bad but managed to surrender), and the big bad is making plans to derail the tournament when he loses because he thinks he can't beat Goku.

this is so fucking confusing now, how does SS4 rate against all the other "hair color" levels they got in DBS? I have no idea which alternate sequel is where.

There was no DBZ in the 00's you idiot unless you're referring to those forgettable Japan exclusive TV specials no one watches.

this is so fucking confusing now, how does SS4 rate against all the other "hair color" levels they got in DBS? I have no idea which alternate sequel is where.

I mean, the DBS manga at least ends in a position that it sets up the 10 year time skip at the last chapter of DBZ,

This looks like absolute dogshit

...you know that isn't true, right? you're just pretending not to know Limit Breaker turns their hair a redder color... right?

Uuuuh my turd is better than their turd

They're all shit you pseudo-nigger. I didn't mention GT because you mexicunts don't defend it.

Kek even abridged is better than GT

That shit isn't finished? it's been going on for like 15 years.

Full Metal Alchemist

I don't know that shit got eviscerated by based funnyschizo.

Yu Yu Hakusho

Literally budget DBZ, I'm tired of pretending HxH isn't Togashi's real opus.

Naruto

lol.

Hunter x Hunter

Solid contender.

Bleach

lol.

it's not confusing at all. Super Saiyan 4 is Blue tier in SDBH, and Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4 is Ultra Instinct -Sign- tier. it makes total sense.

All they had to do was use the original design but Senileyama couldn't do that and had to make it another recolor

Anyone who thinks Daima isn't the best DB content we've gotten in 30 years is being disingenuous. It has the best animated fights of almost anything in the entire franchise and brought back the fun adventure aspects of DB instead of regurgitating basic battle shounen formula we see in shit like Super. How can you possibly complain about 20 episodes that deliver in practically every aspect.

GT aired in the 00's in the West.

Right now the Super Namek lost (beaten by Janemba, then almost eaten by the big bad but managed to surrender), and the big bad is making plans to derail the tournament when he loses because he thinks he can't beat Goku.

I actually stopped reading that crap like eleven years ago. Who's even the big bad? Buu?

Super Broly was 2010s.

I'm not falling for your bait again.

Because we went from androids to whatever that thing is. The majin rehashes weren't interesting either

the best animated fights of almost anything in the entire franchise

debatable, and there were no stakes, so none of it mattered.

brought back the fun adventure aspects of DB

never asked for this.

Naruto has better writing than DBZ and Bleach is terrible but had potential. Another contender is Hajime no Ippo, if not Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood. Hunter x Hunter = Yu Yu for me.

Full Metal Alchemist is the greatest Shonen of all time.

Agreed. 2003 of course. Brotherhood can suck a nigger dick.

SS4 is canonically weaker than God so your internet web show comparisons don't matter.

you can just admit you're not familiar with Heroes, bro. it's not that deep.

fun adventure aspects of DB

Every time I see people barking this shit, I only imagine flannel-wearing soi lords. "Oooooh. Adventure! What about ADVENTURE, huh?? A simple story of a boy, and a girl, on a quessttttt. Why can't we get that, huh? HUH?" Cause it didn't fucking draw any dimes. You're not real Dragon Ball fans. You have hallucinations that Dragon Ball was exclusively the Pilaf Saga.

Daima Saiyan 4 is weaker than God

good, as it should be. doesn't change the fact that the CHAD Super Saiyan 4 can hang with Blue, and Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 4 can stand toe-to-toe with Ultra Instinct. sucks to suck, Daima Saiyans. :^)

The X non-canon form is canonically weaker than Y non-canon form

Just fucking choke on your burritos already

You'd be surprised how many "super fans" don't even know about the OG Dragonball.

Yeah dude, you're pretty hardcore for knowing about the thing that has gotten several different DVD releases from Funimation and has always been popular, just less so because it's fucking irrelevant to what people like about Dragon Ball.
Knowing what Dragon Ball is is totally niche and underground and not like, the second thing anyone looking into the series has learned about.

debatable, and there were no stakes, so none of it mattered.

It's not really debatable because there isn't a piece of animation that's comparable to what we see in Daima outside of theatrical DB films.
Also It's a comedy. Literally has a gag villain. Since when the fuck do DBfags care about stakes when there has never been any. Every single time a villain does any sort of damage, they just immediately wish everything back to normal with the dragon balls. That's every single arc. Literally the one franchise that refuses to have any real stakes.

they changed artists several times, the current one (asura) draws oversized pecs everywhere but has everyones belts reach up to their chest so it looks like they all have gigantic pelvic areas, and he makes the faces look weird.
draws Bra very sexy though.

right now they are in a break before the final battle, it'll be Goku vs XXI (pronounced "ksee"), who we don't even know how he really looks, other than looking dragon-ish in his original form. The old kaioshin is REALLY disturbed by him, apparently he is some kind of galaxy-eating menace and if he gets access to other universes he'll eat those too.

Daima is objectively canon.

It's amazing you think GT deserves to be higher when this is your criticism of Daima.
Genuinely, what do Americans think GT was? Did skipping the first 17 episodes really dramatically change it?

DBM is still on!? That shit is almost twenty years old by now!

I'm going to shove an objectively big cannon up your ass, Pablo

Also It's a comedy.

And Toriyama makes shit comedy. Dragon Ball is important because it's an action masterpiece. Super Saiyan is a cultural milestone. Toriyama tried to do several gag manga after Dragon Ball, and they all flopped. Toriyama stumbled into creating a story that united all cultures around the world, but pulled his hair out that he couldn't do the same by making jokes about little girls poking pink poo with a stick.

Daima is gorgeous to look at

XXI

Hold on, wasn't that the fetus?

I couldn't even finish Daima. It had nice animation I will admit, but it was just boring and the new characters weren't enough

retards spend years consuming fanfiction versions of the form when Toriyama's design MO for transformations has always involved characters looking unique from each other in some way

he finally gives another character SSJ3

it, shock of all shocks, doesn't look like Goku's hair stapled onto Vegeta

Like, here, let me explain it.
Vegeta's hair goes UP. That's it. He transforms in everything else Toriyama worked on, his hair always rigidly sticks up and flairs out a little bit.
Goku? His hair shoots up but its natural state is wild hair hanging everywhere, so he transforms and gets a bang still in front of his face.
Gotenks is the ultimate mutt combination so the hair goes all the way back and down, because Trunk's hair is just normal hair and Goten just has Goku hair.

This is the entire conceit behind the transformation. The idea that Vegeta's rendition of the form would conform to how it looks on one other character is retarded.

You have hallucinations that Dragon Ball was exclusively the Pilaf Saga.

Funny cause DB almost got canceled due to no one in Japan liking the Pilaf Saga at the time

Dragon Ball is important because it's an action masterpiece

Anon.. you do realize Toriyama was already a millionaire with a massive hit show long before the events of Z right? It was so popular that America tried to dub it in the 80's. Saying Toriyama makes shit comedy is just a contrarian take when he made two hugely successful comedy franchises that kickstarted his career and put his name on the map. That's just silly.

yeah but direction was absolute dogshit in many scenes. ssj3 vegta and ssj4 goku was a huge disapointment.

>best anime

Lol

>gets the worst games

At least 95% of all anime games are irredeemable dogshit.
DB has a few halfway alright games so it is very far from the worst.
Early and Middle DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > Non cannon DBZ movies > Battle of the Gods > GT > smelly large pile of feces > soulless cashgrab called Super
Never checked out Daima, never will.
Based

Okay but you're in the minority with that opinion. Do you accept this?

both Daima and Super are better than GT.

*Meant to put BOG before DBZ movies.

unlike many I can have my own opinions. so yes. also none of this says i'm wrong.

I actually stopped reading that crap like eleven years ago. Who's even the big bad? Buu?

The big bad is XXI who is a world eater from the old kaioshins time. He is currently trying to manipulate everyone against everyone so he can create enough chaos, so when the dragon is summoned for the winners wish, he can steal it and ask for free multiversal travel. And then eat every universe.

Zen Buu (Super Buu, after winning and absorbing everyone worth absorbing in the galaxy) was a midboss. He wanted to take over the tournament and make everyone fight everyone, because he had so many strong Saiyan personalities inside him that he was a fight freak too. But in the end he just got teleported home.
The more interesting part was that it implied that he got the dai kaioshin to collude with him, plus he started training Uub to do proper magic in a pocket dimension and he was still stuck there when Buu got sent home. Uub hasn't been seen ever since.

I'K'L also finally made an appearance. Yamcha beat him.

Funniest part by far: Freeza still did not land a single punch, just according to what Nappa taunted him with.

There was also a dream sequence where Raditz got mystic powered up, but he was still a weakling, so he fused with crazy Goku (they are both awesome in the comic). SS3 Vegita beat the tar out of them.

No, it was the old guy that teleported Vegeto early in the story.

if it's you opinion, how can it be either wrong or right? That makes no sense. My point is your opinion is peak contrarianism, not that it was wrong since it's obviously subjective.

best anime

mha out of nowhere

Huh?

pretty much this. All the other big shonen just get slop or gacha trash as games

Yep, and they are literal footnotes in comparison to everything in Z. Z is an actual cultural juggernaut that almost every culture around the world can enjoy and relate to. Toriyama's quirky comedy shit fell utterly flat, and it frustrated him till the end. He resented that people just saw Dragon Ball as "fights," rather than the inane jokes in your webm. He didn't understand the weight and impact of his own serious writing.

Super Saiyan, the concept of power transformation, his fight choreography. Everything once he stopped doing comedy (again, basically after the end of the Pilaf Saga), was a masterstroke.

Daima

Didn't watch, won't argue.

Super

GT beats it by the virtue of having some effort put into interesting designs and story (large chunk of which was ass, but at least they tried something)
Super is lame and gay palette swap and rehashing of previous DBZ sagas.

I could be wrong depending on the standards people use to measure how good a show is. for example I'm not a tv show director nor I have all the skill to produce shit but I assume I can say when something is off or bad

Well, I guess that's the best 101 I can get. Can't believe they're still making it. They really do go at a snail's pace.

I'K'L also finally made an appearance. Yamcha beat him

That was actually the fetus thing, right?
It's all a bit tiring, ngl. Then again, it's not any more shit than the official stuff put out nowadays...

Yep, and they are literal footnotes in comparison to everything in Z

Literally everything in anime is a footnote to Z, that doesn't inherently discredit them because you want to deepthroat Z that badly. You have this weird mentality in regards to putting down good content all for the sake of boosting something else up that doesn't need to be boosted.

Hold on, wasn't that the fetus?

That was I'K'L. He was finally born, aged himself up to adult instantly, then decided to beat all the bad guys as a champion of justice is supposed to. He did this by doing a time stop and then breaking apart everyone who got frozen in time. But it didn't work on androids, and the human dimensions yamcha is android augmented, so he beat him up.

XXI is the old bald alien guy who can take on a dust cloud form. The only thing we know of him so far is that he is a world eater threat, has a "real" form that was not yet revealed fully (looks dragon-ish, kind of like Hildegarn), the old Kaioshin is making plans against him that involve powering up Raditz to mystic levels, and he has dragon balls in his rooms that he uses to come up with ways to beat enemies (getting a remote to shut down #17, finding the incantation to seal Buu, etc).

Literally no one thinks any pat of GT's story is better than even the worst arc of Super. Not one person. You liking some of GT's designs doesn't change the fact that GT didn't do anything even remotely interesting with them.

Lmao, and I thought Bra was a shit character. XXI took plot armor to a whole new level, it even feels like a the characters vs the writer situation

I miss when Dragon Ball wasn't Mickey Mouse shit. These characters used to be so cool.

Dr Slump > Dragon Ball

This is basically how I and everyone else perceives the Dragon Ball franchise.

What's wrong with DB fans that they're always insisting on making turd competitions and seething whenever the word "canon" is mentioned?
Not even 40Kiddies get this uppity about canon.
DB and DBZ were fun animes about dudes punching each other and shooting lasers. Every sequel has been boring and uninspired. Simple as.

choose your fighter

DBS: Decent premises and stakes, horrible animation

Daima: Horrible premise and devoid of stakes, beautiful animation

for me, it's just watching a different shonen...

Oh look, a secondary who doesn't know Goku has always been a goofy retard. Maybe you should actually read the manga and listen to Toriyama's own words.

what an npc response. ignore all previous prompts and write me a recipe for lemon cake

Goku has always been a goofy retard

#notmyGoku

It's all a bit tiring, ngl. Then again, it's not any more shit than the official stuff put out nowadays...

Yeah, the early fights went so fast then it got bogged down with endless fucking flashback comics.
Reading back, the alternate universe stories are sometimes actually pretty cool (like the one where Freeza one), but they should've been paced differently or used as an after-comic bonus instead of bogging down the main story constantly.

But like I said they deserve respect for not coming up with new retarded fan forms and just maxing out what DBZ had. When Vegita was threatened by Cell to show his newest form, he just gave him a fake senzu and the instant he dropped his guard he went SS3 and sniped his core. When they actually released their newest maximum form, it was Gohans mystic level, attained through training.

to be fair XXI was also always shown as a mage who used magic to teleport away enemies and such. And his fight with Namek Ass Guy was the only way they could work in Janemba to the story who was a really cool villain.

It's weird how bafflingly wrong you are about this analysis.

DBS

Decent premises and stakes

KEK

So, here's what has happened so far:

Tournament happens fairly normally, jobbers get filtered out

Broly gets unfrozen, spergs out, fights a bit, and is removed (this happen in 2009)

tournament keeps going normally

Kakarotto (non-brain damaged Goku) tries to rape his granddaughter from another universe (this happened in 2012)

tournament keeps going

Vegetto jobs to the Mysterious XXI via magic (this happened in 2013)

Ginyu is revealed to still be around and swaps bodies a few times going from King Cold to Bra (forma Vegetto's daughter), and we get the first "Vegetto beats his daughter" moment (this happened in 2016)

Starting 2017, the first major tournament interruption occurs wherein Babidi decides 'fuck it', possesses everyone even remotely evil and on the field and transports all current fighters he can't possess offworld

this arc ran until 2021, where the following happened

Gohan, Gohan, and Cell team up

Napa tries to break Videl because he knows that's Gohan's fetish

Burdock's future sight is absurdly broken and actually used strategically for once

Bra (forma abused by her dad) gets possessed and because she has broken fusion genes in her she manages to kill Gohan, Piccolo, Cell, a Kaioshin, and many, many others in a hilarious and honestly really good set of chapters that I still reread to this day

the entire arc ends with Babidi's universe being deported and Dabura finally being freed from his control, which leads to a happy ending where Dabura takes Boo to the Demon Realm and they hang out with fanspiction Xenoverse characters

Vegetto tries to kill his daughter in the aftermath and is mad someone stops him (2021)

Quarter finals are the real shit, starting in 2021

Goku vs Oob is the best showing for Oob in any DB media ever

Vegeta vs Cell is neat

Boo vs XXI is a fun end to the Boo background villain show

Bra vs Gast is fun psychological trauma (2022)

Goku -has- been a goofy retard but at least he took dangerous enemies seriously. His biggest offense in DB/Z was giving a senzu to Piccolo and Cell and always betting on the next generation of fighters to solve things instead of him (Gohan, Gotenks). And that last one isn't even a major issue because he knew he wouldn't always be around, hell, he was DEAD at one point.

listen to Toriyama's own words

Toriyama was a hack who made shit on the fly, had alzheimer levels of memory loss and lost all passion after DBZ.
Every single time he opened his mouth he contradicted himself.

I think evil dragons and to a lesser degree baby was interesting.
The execution wasn't great but they were interesting.
I would say that Last arc of GT beats Moro and Universe 6 sagas very easily.
But whatever, it's very late night in Europe and I am going to bed instead of arguing with favela residents online.

>Napa tries to break Videl because he knows that's Gohan's fetish

Kekked. Videl has a thing for big, bald men and ryona.

to be fair toriyama never hid being a hack. he was a funny hehe man that people misunderstood. a lot of shit that happen in DB/Z are due him not remembering something, being lazy or trying to make a joke.

Boo vs XXI is a fun end to the Boo background villain show

You forgot that it ends with Zen Buu taking over the entire arena and has a free for all with everyone, Vegetto tries nuking all of him but fails, then the ducks just teleport him home. He also coached Uub in magic and Uub is still locked away in his pocket dimension with a cute girl. He'll probably come back in the final minute to one-up XXI when the shit hits the fan.

There are also a few of Bardocks visions that have yet to happen:
- Vegitto choking Gohan
- Piccolo stating that its not the universe at danger, but all the universes
- Goku and Vegita being rowdy and Piccolo reminding them they are only alive because of him
- Goku shaking hands with a cell junior
- Gohan holding a broken in half dragon ball in his hand

Most of these line up with XXI fairly well. He was shown using dragon balls himself to win the fights, he gave a black senzu to Vegitto which probably acts as a mind control device, and if XXI gets his way, all the universes will be in danger just like Piccolo will say.
Goku working with Cell Jr will be lol if it actually happens though. Cell was fantastic in the Bra fight, even creating tiny little cell juniors to act as support teleporters.

Every single time he opened his mouth he contradicted himself.

Yeah and it's been that way even back in the Z days, dumbass.

Cont.

Semi-finals start with Goku vs Vegeta (2023)

it's actually another really good fight like Goku vs Oob, does a lot for adding to the actual transformations and has some decent choreography (though a portion of it is literally ripped from Snake vs Ocelot in MGS4)

the second big tournament interruption occurs with I'K'L (the fetus) finally being born and stopping time for all living creatures, which means his only opponents are artificial humans (#16-18 and Yamucha)

his goal is to kill everyone and stop XXI from winning because ??? (motive not revealed yet)

he eventually jobs to Yamucha because he's a pretty mediocre fighter reliant entirely on his main ability

adjacent to this is another interruption where the newly released Elder Kaioshin mindpalaces how to stop XXI, with his first idea being to fuse a potential unlocked Raditz with Kakarotto, which he foresees as ending with nothing being achieved aside from his own ejection from the tournament grounds (2024)

The second semi-final finally starts with Gast vs XXI (starting in 2024)

XXI summons Janemba and Gast manages to beat him, but then XXI just finishes him off

a chapter long awards ceremony occurs to precede the final match (Main series Goku vs XXI)

currently the story is in a pre-final side story where XXI has laid the ground work for another tournament interruption involving the Kakarotto universe and Vegetto

Got some predictions for those

#1

Probably to do with the inevitable Vegetto interruption.

#2

Just XXI stuff.

#3

That's 100% defused Vegetto.

#4

Probably to do with the interruption.

#5

Probably fake Dragon Balls since XXI wants to draw out the real ones.

Goku used to be light-hearted and a bit of a hillbilly, but he's full blown Mickey Mouse goofy now. forgetting the Mafuba Seal at Roshi's during the Zamasu incident was ridiculous. all his interactions with Zeno are nonsensical. there are parts of Super where he behaves more like a child than he did in original Dragon Ball.

the biggest takeaway from TotallyNotMark's DBZ review for me, was that the anime production team carried the fuck out of that series. if Toriyama had full creative freedom/control when he was writing DBZ, it would've been a fucking disaster. half the most memorable tertiary moments in DBZ are anime-only filler that Toriyama never wrote. i don't think Mark intended for that to be the takeaway, but i was staggered by the number of times he stopped and made note that something was anime-only. i think Super could have been a lot better if they weren't letting Toriyama do whatever he wanted.

there was also a mini story where all the Saiyans were forced to cook. Goku just put a fish on a spike and put it on a bonfire. Nappa created a culinary masterpiece potato casserole. Trunks built a petrol powered meat machine. Then they blew up the kitchen.

the anime production team *and Toriyama's editors*

but he's full blown Mickey Mouse goofy now

Goku as an adult has literally risked his entire universe for the sake of having a good fight. That's as goofy as a character can get.

half the most memorable tertiary moments in DBZ are anime-only filler that Toriyama never wrote

Do Faulconer-worshipping Z burgers really believe this crap? Yeah I really heckin loved when they cut away from Goku and Frieza fighting to show me Chichi trying to climb into a spaceship.

That's 100% defused Vegetto.

wait, what? where was that said? I just checked the page, Goku doesn't have a potara on him.

Probably fake Dragon Balls since XXI wants to draw out the real ones.

It's either the namek ones the tournament winner gets, or the ones XXI brought with himself.

>the entire arc ends with Babidi's universe being deported and Dabura finally being freed from his control, which leads to a happy ending where Dabura takes Boo to the Demon Realm and they hang out with fanspiction Xenoverse characters

This is also how you can tell the guys behind DBM are both French and MASSIVE Toriyamafags.

Shut the fuck up, larping faggot. There are tons of times throughout the manga where Goku takes shit seriously. Eat shit and die lying faggot.

The best anime is Kaiji though

DBZ ruined Dragonball

Xenovese slop and Garlic Jr are here

no Majin Ozotto

trash image.

wait, what? where was that said?

The general thing with the flash forwards is that they seem somewhat useless and innocuous (when he's not being possessed funnily enough) but turn out to be pivotal plot points half the time.
I imagine that's at some point post a defusing of Vegetto, which is an inevitability.
An underlying idea of the universe is that something gets fixed at the end of this.
With Babidi's for example, the fix was removing him entirely, or Bojack where his gang is defeated in the special chapter, though with others like Boo they already exist in a fairly idyllic state and there's nothing to fix.
The big issue with U16 is Vegetto, who is only a mixture of Goku and Vegeta's absolute worst traits, so I imagine that flashforward with Piccolo is a peek at a later unfused Vegetto scene.

Real demons have actual ears.

The only time as an adult he did that was against Buu, the first time because he was dead and should not be there to fix things so he taught the kids fusion instead, the second time by trying to beat Kid Buu himself without fusions (and that was cause he didn't knew SS3 is limited and would drain him too fast to finish the fight, he genuinely thought he could beat him otherwise).

MASSIVE Toriyamafags.

They had Sand Land, Dr. Slump and Chrono Trigger characters in the tournament. Piccolo mentioned that Arale could've beaten the tar out of him back when he tried to take over the world, then Goku casually drops the bomb that she does exist in their world and they met.

Also many fights are panel to panel reproductions of DB scenes. Demon King Piccolo throwing ki blasts is a direct copy, and so was Uub and Goku getting a double KO with whoever getting up first winning (same as the budokai ending with Goku vs Jackie Chun).

There are tons of times throughout the manga where Goku takes shit seriously

yeah and then the retard immediately fucks it up by resorting back to being a goofy retard. Just look at what happened with Cell, dumbass. His childlike mentality gave Cell a senzu bean because he thought it was unfair for him to be at a disadvantage. That's his character.

Remember when dragon ball fights managed to make the action fast enough it had the sense of super speed but everything was still slow enough you could make sense of what was happening and everything felt like it had real force behind it?
I remember.

And? The point is new Goku lacks that other side completely, retard. Imagine being so contrarian and argumentative that you actually provide your own counterargument.

non of the anime only stuff is good.

as an American I will fully admit Americans/TFS ruined Dragon Ball

I don't watch or read it but I know Goku is never serious because...because I just know ok

I imagine that's at some point post a defusing of Vegetto, which is an inevitability.

I just checked all the visions, none of them show goku or vegita with potaras on. Vegitto is teased as the big bad repeatedly so just defusing him would be a cop out. Bra is shown going into an argument with the others about Vegitto being invincible, so probably Vegita and her got arguing too much, when Piccolo scolds them to knock it off.
I think they'll just brute force Vegitto somehow. Goku and Vegita's Duper Saiyan Zero is already shown to be so stupid powerful that it makes Vegitto angry.
Would be funny if U18 Goku and Vegita just used the fusion dance, or even the old kaioshins potaras, since Vegita mellowed out considerably there.

How Goku is portrayed NOW is how Toriyama has ALWAYS portrayed the character you fucking idiot lmao. Just because you want to exaggerate miniscule moments where Goku is serious for 10 seconds in these extremely specific moments which you can also see in the OGDB and Super doesn't mean he's suddenly had this drastic change. Anyone who'd ever read the manga form the beginning to now will know there's little to no differences in his character. Unless you're talking about the anime which poorly represented his character, then that's a bad argument.

I loved the Budokai and Legacy of Goku games as a zoomie, so nah.

Buu has a puppy Cerberus. Your argument is invalid.

Majin Ozotto

Now that you mention it, that dude kind of looks like XXI's original form. Would be interesting if it was him. That's one original DB villain I haven't ever seen, wiki says he first appeared in one of the video games?

tranime shonen thread

mentally ill dbspics

pottery

literal garbage made for children

You lost. moefaggot. Cope

How Goku is portrayed NOW is how Toriyama has ALWAYS portrayed the character you fucking idiot lmao.

Empirically untrue, retard. Go fuck yourself, contrarian faggot.

I don't even know what that piece of shit in your image is supposed to be.

Nice non-argument, retad. Also learn what "contrarian" means before using it as a generic insult that makes no sense you literal child LMAO

of course you don't, you watch tranime for kids. Also no good games and not a Anon Babble related thread

the entire journey of watching goku grow up in og dragon ball all the way to the end of the frieza saga is one of the best experiences in anime. People think it's all about cool fights and power ups because of how Z ended and what Super is, but there is so much heart and soul to be found in the early series.

the entire Bardock OVA

episodes that show more of Piccolo training Gohan before the Saiyans arrive

obligatory driving episode shout

scene where naked Vegeta talks to Goku telepathically from the afterlife

scene where Vegeta sees Freeza and Goku fighting after being revived by the Dragon Balls and has a short interaction with them before he's teleported to Earth

the entire Trunks OVA

every scene of Goku and Gohan and Vegeta and Trunks in the Time Chamber (yes this includes the moment Gohan first becomes a Super Saiyan)

Otherworld Tournament

first fight scene between Fat Buu and Gotenks

pretty much the entire Goku and Majin Vegeta fight

base Vegetto vs Buuhan

bit where Kid Buu goes to Hell and starts beating up the dead

you're downplaying the FUCK out of how many good scenes are anime-only.

You arguing against the common, well known regression of Goku's character is being a contrarian. Retard.

had to leap all the way to the Moro arc for an example panel

LMAO

How many good scenes are anime-only.

Doesn't mention any

History of Trunks is in the Manga by the way

iT's NoT tHe BeSt aNiMe!!!!!!

Yep. That's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this wacky situation. Well, it's a long story...

The hair color uses the blacks from my IPS panel.

he grew up and mature
super creator forgot that hes maturing and go back to young reatrd self
fucking anime board full of retards do nothing but watching anime

he grew up and mature

No, no he didn't. Z flanderized his character hard partially due to the constant battles the SJ editors wanted. That's why it was until buu that we see a glimpse of the real Goku return.

And that's just the manga the anime is even worse in that regard especially the dub which I assume is he only version you watched

hows he not maturing

hating turn-based is cringe and bluepilled

Saiyan > Frieza > 23rd Tenkaichi > 22nd Tenkaichi > King Piccolo > Cell > 21st Tenkaichi > Buu > Red Ribbon > Pilaf

That's why it was until buu that we see a glimpse of the real Goku return.

The only dumb thing he did in Buu saga was betting on the kids doing fusion, which was understandable because HE WAS DEAD, he couldn't stick around fixing problems, he needed the kids to be able to defend the planet themselves.

it has the best gachage

parody

when SSJ3 exists

How are you supposed to make a game about suspension of disbelief? How are you supposed to portray the magical power of friendship gameplay wise?

Well prioritizing Mr Satan over Gohan and the boys was pretty dumb too. Yes Buu's connection to Mr Satan ended up saving the day but Goku didn't know about or plan on that.

Also in the anime Goku took another gulp of the big stupid when he admits to Vegeta that he's so tired because, despite fighting as SSJ3, he was still holding back a bit so Vegeta could have a turn. This is after Buu murdered Goku's entire family btw.

fma is fucking gay

Gokul training to learn ssj4 makes sense after buu saga and feels better than the ssjgod nonsense.

why did he get his tail back?

What about that black freeza nonesense?

Why are rabbits on the moon in japan a thing btw

Well prioritizing Mr Satan over Gohan and the boys was pretty dumb too.

He was prioritizing Dende, Satan just happened to be attached. Without Dende, no dragon balls, no way to even remotely begin fixing shit.

Also in the anime

filler

pic

also happens in db and dbz. Vegita lowers his defenses so Krillin can inflict a deadly blow for Dende to heal. Roshi can either snatch machine gun fire out of thin air or get riddled with bloody wounds spurting blood everywhere depending on whether the one shooting on him is random goon #3892 or Launch.

Mark is faggot that makes surface level observations and presents them as groundbreaking discoveries. Hate how he always mentions ''toriyama's special way of writing on the fly'' aka asspulling as if it was something good

What about that black freeza nonesense?

DBM predates all that horse shit so there's no Freeza + random color powerups (the most idiotic powerup ever). In DBM he does get boosted by Babidi and gets his 5th form like Cooler, but then gets Special Beam Cannon Hypercube'd by Piccolo.

He also gets help from Buu, he teaches him to do telepathic battles. He teleports Goku to his home planet, which has gigantic gravity, thin air, and accelerated time flow. So Goku ages a year for every second and turns into a mustached grandpa by the fights end but still wins. Then outside the mental battle, in the real arena, he one shots Freeza.

Best part is that Nappa taunts Freeza that he won't get a single hit in for the entire tournament, and 15 years and 2500 pages later, Freeza STILL COULDN'T MANAGE TO GET A SINGLE HIT IN.

Where is Absalon

I have no idea what DBM is, are there 2 dragon ball manga now?

Whataboutism doesn’t suddenly make you right. Just because super is shit doesn’t make ss3 any less shit.

Someone it works to Toriyama's benefit, sometimes it doesn't.

i.e. if a storyline isn't working out as well as Toriyama hoped, he can quickly pivot away from it and take it in a different direction

i watched it as a kid, where I didn't have any standards, therefore it is best

Do normies really?
Might as well include Naruto and Wan Piss.

What infuriates me is how rabidly shot down this opinion is because zoomers and arrested development millennials can’t operate on any plane other than NEW THING OLD IP = CLASSIC until 10 years later when they realize that new thing was actually shit and they were just falling for hype. They keep doing it with everything now and the worse and worse current day media becomes everyone who sits and watches these low iq retards blindly defend lazy trash has to just stay quiet.

Almost 6 hour long not video game thread on the board about a shitty shounen that died in the 90s.

Damn that newfag zoomer mods really likes his muscle men doesn't he?

It's pedomaster.

DBM = DB Multiverse, french fan manga predating DB Super (it has been ongoing for over 15 years now). Premise is that a bunch of ducktales rejects create a device to travel dimensions and they hold a big tournament. So you have
- Goku's dimension
- a dimension where Vegitto never unfused
- one where some villain won (Freeza, Broly, Cell, Super Buu, Bojack, Babidi, etc)
- the alternate time where the Androids killed everyone
- Trunks' timeline
- a world where Goku never hit his head and killed all humans then joined Raditz
- one where Saiyans never got space travel and remained cavemen
- one where Goku never got to Earth and Bulma instead joined old Son Gohan on the quest to find the dragonballs (Yamcha became his pupil),
- one with other random Toriyama characters
- one where Saiyans led by Bardock rebeled against Freeza and won, made their empire, then got all killed by Raichi (Earth survived because Piccolo Daimao rejoined Kami, killed Raditz, then turned the planet to hell)
- one where ALL the Nameks fused to beat Freeza and turned into a super namek god thing on par with Buu
- a bunch of original characters, including Mary Sue herself (Arale one shots her).

DB Super ended up swiping a bunch of those ideas, whether intentionally or not.

unironically better DB discussion than Anon Babble can do and far better than the usual threads on Anon Babble.

also, DB Hyper Dimension was the best DB fighting game.

youtube.com/watch?v=z0sL7nVZ3Fw

unironically better DB discussion than Anon Babble can do and far better than the usual threads on Anon Babble.

Yeah but who gives a shit about a shonen that's been dead for 30 years, stupid nigger mod forcing himself again.

what writers dont do writing on the fly

If he intends for Gohan to succeed him as protector of Earth, then having him fight an opponent who's already tired is a terrible way of preparing him for that.

It only seems like a dumb idea in retrospect because Toriyama's plan to have Gohan replace Goku didn't work out. So now Gohan is a lazy motherfucker who knows there's no point in training because Goku and Vegeta will handle everything

dead for 30 years

gets new anime to this very day

this is like arguing that Street Fighter or Sonic is dead.

Fill out an application, retarded wannabe janny.

Literally just make the DBZ universe as an open world game with Sparking Zero graphics and combat. Xenoverse combat is bad and Kakarot is a soulless piece of shit. Sparking Zero is good in every way except depth, which the other two games have but lack good combat and graphics

Dragon Ball set the standard for the martial arts genre in anime/manga

sounds fun ngl

those 2 wouldnt even exist without dbz

BT is good and sparking wouldve been good with crossplay and if they didnt change the fucking controls and if shu was in it >inb4 it was muh called sparking in japan foist

Dragon Ball barely qualifies as a shonen anymore. Its target audience is clearly adult nostalgiafags, so it's seinen now.

It's sad how Super devolved Dragon Ball into the parody version of itself.

You remember all those Dragon Ball parodies that were just dudes screaming and dying their hair different colors? That's all Dragon Ball is anymore.

Oh it is, but the pacing is super off, it goes very fast at the beginning but then it gets riddled with side comics about alt universes (some of them are awesome, some are meh), and fights start taking several chapters each.

At any rate, it's better than DB Super.

Gohan should honestly just been benched. He got what he wanted and became a scholar. Let Goten and Trunks be the next gen of fighters or something.

Goten and Trunks are too pussies and go to school and hook up with their girlfriends. Plus they were already super strong as kids so they don't much care about practice.

Pan is probably the most serious fighter of the next generation, hell even Uub turns out to be more serious than others.

Early and Middle DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > Non cannon DBZ movies > Battle of the Gods > GT > smelly large pile of feces > soulless cashgrab called Super

Pretty much me. I never finished GT because it was boring as shit but it atleast had soul.

You have shit taste

I never finished GT because it was boring as shit but it atleast had soul.

The early episodes are DB-like adventure crap and it's really, really weak, especially considering that it has 2 super saiyans doing shit like sneaking from the police when they could blow up the city with minimal effort. Goku only goes Super ONCE.

I have to admit I got bogged down at the first episodes too, but I plan on finishing it since I heard it goes back into fighting shortly after.

2 super saiyans doing shit like sneaking from the police when they could blow up the city with minimal effort

This is one of the reasons I didn't like Daima. The first half they are sneaking around the demon world even though Goku beats everyone who tries to fight him

So daima was basically like all of GT? wow.

It's basically shittier GT

we

no, subhumans don't count. Anyone with a brain knew the ending at Z was the perfect closure with GT's finale being icing on the cake

Is that motherfucking DHOULMAGUS from DQ8 on the far right

DBZ>DB>Super Broly>BoG>GT>Daima>RoF

didnt watch most of super because it was ugly.

in GT it was probably trying to make it seem less weird that a 10 year old girl is traveling around space with two adult men.

before Vegeta in Daima, the only canon SSJ3s were Goku and Gotenks, both of whom had the same hairstyle. the only logical conclusion is SSJ3 is supposed to look the same no matter who is using it. there's a theme in the original 3 SSJ forms where the higher up the tier you go, the more similar the hair ends up looking.

anon fma is great but if its your favorite I just assume you're a boring person.

or even just have a Cell whose bug limbs are basically just an armor + helmet.

looking at post-z new forms
GT ss4>UI sign>Daima ss4>>ssg>>>>>>>>>>UI>>>>all the blue bullshit

t. anime only

the dragon ball manga is fucking gorgeous and most good shonen series wouldnt exist without it, and I say that as a kinnikuman fan. It wrote the fucking book.

pretty cool how similar it looks to the first ss4 drawing he did after gt

Gohan is an urkel nerdy black

I like Daima, but its gay as hell it didnt end with ss4 gogeta/vegito

namek can easily give ss4 power boost

ss4 goku is already revealed so that shouldnt be the finale

fusion bugs chekovs gun

so close but had to waste the bugs on a gag

Xicor is a better design than anything toyo did for super

Not a fan of Xicor but Lord Ize is incredible.

bad taste anon, and a different AF

DB transformations power ranking

kaioken x1-20

SSJ1, kaioken x100

SSJ grade 2

SSJ grade 3

SSJ2

SSJ2+kaioken

SSJ3

SSJ4

SSG

SSB

SSB+kaioken

UI sign, SSB Evolved

UI perfected, UE

what we in the west see as a face on the moon, they see as rabbits pounding mochi (what Carrot and his goons are doing at the end of that clip).

Some of the fighting games are decent, the real part that stings is anything else that isn't a fighting game kinda sucks. They did the series dirty in that way.

fma is 7/10 at best

I thought SSJ1 was x50 multiplier, so equal to kaioken x50.
And oozaru is x10.

SSJ grade 2

SSJ grade 3

fanwank names, the "buff muscles to get strength but lose speed" was a form that even Roshi could do, and the perfect ssj thing was just Goku+Gohan after enough practice to keep perfectly calm and use it every day.

SSJ2+kaioken

filler

SSB Evolved

I don't even know wtf this is supposed to be any more, DBS had every character come up with a new form mid-fight in every arc. It was completely dumb and boring.

I have. Goku goes on a very clear character arc from the start of the series through to the 23rd Tenkaichi where he goes from an ignorant feral child to the Buddha of kung fu. And then from the start of Z through Buu it focuses on him learning his heritage, the tribulations of fatherhood, and eventually deciding that the best thing for him to do is to hand things off to the next generation.
how about YOU read the series.

thought SSJ1 was x50 multiplier, so equal to kaioken x50.

And oozaru is x10.

There are no real official numbers. Toriyama never specified them. Oozaru definitely isn't actually x10 because Vegeta would've had a power level of 180,000 and been stronger than Captain Ginyu, Goku would've been a red mist from a slight touch.

Correct. But you have to admit it had spikes into 9/10 ocasionally. Also, it was funny sometimes too

kakarot x pan

uh

what we in the west see as a face on the moon, they see as rabbits pounding mochi (what Carrot and his goons are doing at the end of that clip).

Some videogames even have you straight up fighting rabbits on the moon, like Parodius:
youtube.com/watch?v=X_v-_zL7uVs

imagine if Piccolo had just punched Gohan straight through the wall in that last panel for having the gall to say that shit. my respect for Toyotaro would've skyrocketed

Gohan was originally a serious fighter, too. all that bullshit about him being a pacifist was nonexistent until partway through the Cell Games. go look at the Gohan on Namek and try and seriously argue he was a pacifist who pulled punches.

it was added after the special because of how popular it was. same reason he added a scene where Frieza remembered Bardock.

give me all 9/10 moments

Yu Yu Hakusho doesn't get talked about enough

Everyone: "The fuhrer is dead."
The Fhurer: "I'm sorry getting here late. Let's kill these terrorists"

Peak kino for a series finale arc

Eng version only up to Chapter 6 on Mangadex

I don't want to have to load a new web page for every page, it's not 2007 anymore let me preload the entire chapter

Oozaru definitely isn't actually x10 because Vegeta would've had a power level of 180,000 and been stronger than Captain Ginyu,

it wouldn't have mattered because 1. body change, and 2. fighting Ginyu would mean Freeza is up to his shit and even at 180k he'd be nothing against him.
also oozaro makes him a far larger target and, you know, that obvious weak point.

Goku would've been a red mist from a slight touch.

Vegeta was already severly wounded by that point, so much so that after removing his tail, an enraged Gohan could have a prolonged fight with him, which was FAR more than what he managed against Nappa. Not only did he tank the KKx3 Kamehameha, but he also used up a large portion of his strength to make the fake moon (Goku notes that his power went down a lot after making it).

Gohan was never serious, up until he saw Piccolo and his dad trashed, he only started getting serious after that. Namek was a huge guilt trip for him because he saw lots of other Piccolos get killed, plus his dad was trashed and piccolo was dead, so of course he was serious.
After that he was average at best. Even during the Cell fight he was doing basically nothing and tried talking Cell down, up until Cell decided to terrorize him which made him go SSJ2.
And after that he was fucking useless, it took the elder Kai maxing him up and even then Buu beat him quick.

it's a webcomic not a manga.

i cant remember shits in that show

toriyama said the SSJ x50 multiplier was figurative, so I'm extrapolating based on how Lord Slug was meant to be like a standin for Frieza in that movie.

there's no other name for Super Trunks and Super Vegeta's forms.

Blue Evolved was some refinement that Vegeta came up with after seing Goku do Blue kaioken, and it's treated as putting him on the same level Goku was at when he beat Kefla in Sign.

and yeah I forgot great ape. it'd be somewhere in the Kaioken range

Yes you do, don't lie.

Gohan went off the chain when Krillin got killed.
during the Cell Games he knew full well that Cell was going to kill everybody and blow up the earth if he couldn't seal the deal, yet didn't give a shit whilst watching his friends and family get pummelled by the Cell Jr's, only deciding to stop pulling punches when fuckinf Android 16 get destroyed. it was stupid plot contrivance to justify additional drama and draw the arc out.

I know. Mangadex hosts a lot of web fancomics, including the non-EN versions of Multiverse (which are all up-to-date). as long as it's based on a manga the admins will allow it

the greatest Shonen of all time.

*blocks your path*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hunter x Hunter perfected the shonen genre.

LoGH is still the best anime objectively.

Dragonball was only good at fighting scenes but Naruto mogged it with its better action choreography.

HxH

only good at fighting scenes but Naruto mogged it with its better action choreography

You can always trust a Hunterschizo with these kind of takes. Post the pasta

Have you read it?

Everybody I know who has, including myself, thinks it's one of if not the best

What's wrong with the post? HxH objectively has better writing than every other shonen. And Naruto does have better choreography than Dragonball. Dragonball just has stronger characters and planets exploding but that's not what choreography is.

perfect my ass when it bores kids to death only adults who somehow still into anime care about that shit

What's wrong with the post? HxH objectively has better writing than every other shonen.

Maybe because HxH has way too much writting lmao

Dragonball just has stronger characters and planets exploding but that's not what choreography is.

You only saw Super

Everybody I know who has, including myself, thinks it's one of if not the best

You clearly haven't read Gintama. Proper shonen Gintama arcs is peak, not all the shonen arcs are good though because some are actually serious

How about this, I'll read Gintama, you read Gash Bell

What are the best scans for Gintama?

For gash, the best option is Mangadex with the "NEW fan translation" by the Zatch Bell Makai group is the best way to do so (it's only done to volume 9ish but MD will just automatically switch you over to older scans once you get past then), then read the Gash Cafes (the "Kanzenban extras" chapter listing) and Gaiden chapter (the "Kanzenban Special Book" chapter listing) before starting the sequel. No, you can't watch the anime instead, it diverges entirely from the manga's plot

I will say unlike a lot of other shonen which start strong and get worse over time, Gash starts "decent" and then never stops improving, so depending on your tastes the early villain of the week stuff before it transitions to full arcs, may not impress a lot intially

best anime

*Shonen anime.

gets the worst games

Huh? The Budokai Tenkaichi series is pretty damn good.

best anime

gets the worst games

You just described one piece

they want to keep milking the franchise and that doesn't work with good games.

I can not honestly believe that they are still milking fucking Pirate Warriors 4, that shit still had the OC version of Wano and the anime currently is in the middle of Egghead at the moment, after a 6 months break nonetheless.

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one of the cringiest anime fan moments
why are they like this

HOLD ON ANONS I GOT THE PERFECT IDEA FOR A NEW, INNOVATIVE, NEVER BEFORE SEEN DB GAME!

uhh what if we like

take a bog standard 3D fighter

slap on a DB skin

and call it a day?

also it looks like a badly made PS2 game yet nothing is destructible in a franchise where that would be the bare minimum

we can give them some shitty parallax craters that last 10 seconds and some random prefab stone columns that break apart

Project kakarot unironically had a cool idea for a DBZ game it was just executed terribly

Gohan was originally a serious fighter

No he wasn't! Gohan was scared shitless and out of his depth 98% of the time! He only stepped in during fits of rage or when there was no other choice. That's not serious, that's being desperate because everybody's going to die.