Deltarune

Kris turns weird at night.
[K]ris at [night]
[Knight]

FACT: Being present when a Dark World is created puts you to sleep.

So why was Kris able to move around when he created the dark fountain in his living room? You like making shit up huh?

"SAVE ME IMAGE_FRIEND!"

fucking LEL

the only similarities spamton/jevil has is

they both are schizos from meeting a certain someone

they both are strong as shit (spamton's power comes from the mech and he found it in there)

and

seam says whoever the next person they meet that has one of these is impossible to beat (without the shadow mantle)

seam wants all of them to make something "incredible" for you

shadow crystals show what happens when you don't exist

Explain how Susie is glaring at Kris in the 2nd piece then? Or how if you use it in the bathroom nothing changes

lowkey i think there's a chance kris might be on board for the ride in the weird route, just for the novelty

Now that's a twist most people wouldn't see coming.

Look, whether Kris is the Knight or Kris isn't the Knight, Kris made a fountain. There was an entire explanation on why this is a bad idea for the world, but have we considered that it would be bad for Kris as well?
Both Toby and Spamton have called fountain sealing "stealing" and the sound when sealing a fountain implies that you are somehow "using" it. Where is this power going to? You might say the party members who level up, but there's a problem with that. The prophecy contradiction. "Only they can seal the fountains" implies all three of the heroes should be able to seal them, not just Kris (using us) as Ralsei claims. What's changed is the introduction of the Soul, which can absorb the fountains on its own.
I ask again, where is this power REALLY going to? Where else but the Soul's vessel?

the red herring is that we're in control, when it's Kris lashing out that we're trying to escape him and not the other way around

glaring

She's still mean so she never changes, and the bathroom is not bound to Kris. Dreemurs would still have a bathroom.

CHAPTER 0 IS REAL AND RELEASES ON JUNE FOURTH

except we control the heart while its in the bird cage

she's not glaring at kris specifically, the first crystal lets kris see through his hand, as if he wasn't there
the second is much the same, except he's looking at susie

When I say "Nothing changes" I dont mean its the same as chapter 1. It doesnt say kris saw through his hand if you use it in the bathroom, so he can still see himself when its used in there

thanks for proving my point

what does it say?

Because that's not the theme of the game. We're a [heart] on a [chain].

Post a screenshot of the Sans fucked your mom line thanks

I once wrote a theory that we aren't actually meaningfully separate from the soul, and Kris ripping their heart out is a metaphor and a sort of coping mechanism that enables Kris to go through with things they feel are immoral, such as eating all of Toriel's pie.

Where did Jevil get his shadow crystal from? Was there some lightner who loved the joker card very much?

Very smart, anon. You almost get it.

That was a distraction to his real dastardly deeds.

It just says "But nothing happened"
Granted Im testing it again now and it's saying that even outside the bathroom so idk what to think

We don't know, all we know is that he started going schizo after he met "a strange someone"

There's only special dialogue in the first use.

Noelle final boss

I miss my sister

December final boss

Why did you rape my sister

see webm, he fell asleep as soon as the smog got to him

Papyrus final boss

Why didn't you eat my spaghetti

FACT: Toby hack will adapt and retcon whatever he wants to mantain some degree of surprise for the reader because hia story is still a WIP

Why is Sans always waiting for Frisk in the judgment hall?

I tested it on my snowgrave file where I didnt save over using it once, and it still says it if the first use is in the bathroom. It doesnt not work on snowgrave either, I'll still get the glare using it with susie

if dess is a final boss i guarantee that noelle will join her in the fight
childhood friend and crush or not, that doe wants her sister more than anything else

Truth. Just look at Shadow Crystals being retcon in Chapter 2.

It's ambiguous at best what's happening. He could simply be putting his SOUL back inside his body

esl

It's the closest to a weeding hall.

I haven't found time to read that theory, goner anon. TL;DR? I'm just trying to search for an alternative to all this that isn't so out-there. Speaking of...
Kris is the heart on a chain. Darkheart.

his real dastardly deeds

Elaborate.

...And susie is, still glaring at kris when she isnt present? I think Kris is genuinely just schizophrenic now

You know if you know.

wait so you're telling me that dark worlds are DREAM WORLDS? and every doodad gains life because of the lightners' desires in that DREAM?

Betting odds for final boss of Weird Route

Susie 34%

Ralsei 16%

December 11%

Gaster 10%

Kris 9%

Noelle 9%

Asriel 5%

Vessel 4%

Other 2%

ay yo hol up you tellin me this is some kinda under tale about the delta rune?

Oh, you're talking about the Reddit post I sent? It's basically the introduction to the Goner concept, is all. The author does speculate that the SOUL is a Goner, but he doesn't say it's Goner!Frisk. Still, I agree that we're "stealing" the fountains to make something stronger, that thing being Ralsei’s fountain.

FACT

MORE TIDDIES

Vriska has, like, 0.00000008 chance to win but will do it anyway because she has all the luck. Aaaaaaaall of it!!!!!!!!

am i witnessing the development of schizophrenia

And yet when you get a game over the world becomes "covered in darkness." How are dark fountains still being made if the supposed knight is dead?

Boobas.

The world getting "covered in darkness" is actually a metaphor for Kris shitting himself after dying.

The existing Dark Fountain consumes all.

Many people seem to think the mayor fired Asgore from his job as police chief, and they also think that she’s the one asking for rent from him. But does that even make sense? Apparently he’s missed rent before, why would she be so lenient on him if (as people presume) he failed to find Dess when she went missing?

Is Fr*ns just a self-inserter yume ship?

Obviously he's putting his heart in his body, he's doing both

that thing being Ralsei’s fountain.

I see. That's the most common and sensical answer for where the fountains' power is going to. This is where our opinions differ, but the reminder that other people have noticed the fountains being "used" is nice.

every time i see susie all i can think about is how she smells

it's kris in the cage

Yes. BUT, they draw the cutest Frisks.

i try not to because its not healthy having a boner for hours at a time

I've never thought about the mayor actually firing Asgore. I've always assumed he resigned. In some municipalities the mayor can fire the police chief but not in all. I admit it makes sense if she holds him accountable for whatever happened to the children.

Ah yes, just what I do when I fall asleep, I do the very deliberate and labor intensive action of shoving my heart shaped object inside my gaping chest.

Yeah, I could see it going to the Vessel if the second voice is the Knight and took Goner!Frisk body to do so.

She's corrupt and has mafia ties.

PLEASE for the love of god get some new images

oppai loli frisk

Maybe Frans isn't so bad.

yeah same but i can't help it. like you can always tell where she's been because the air still just has a kind of ODOR to it

I JUST got some today, dude.

there's not really anyone else with the authority to remove asgore from the police force, unless he resigned. that said, asgore might not actually be directly responsible for dess' disappearance. there's clearly some strain thats been put between the Dreemurrs and the Holidays, but it may be more like "dess went missing because of kris". some dumb mistake made by a kid that would make things awkward between the families, but wouldn't make rudy actually fall out with the dreemurrs.

then the mayor being lenient on the rent is just one of those small town things. like what is she supposed to do, give their town a homeless population? forclose one of the few stores in town?

5~ hours left for the next teaser/shitpost, I'd guess?

I don't think anyone acknowledges Kris' role in Dess disappearance except for Kris himself. It seems like other people consider him just a victim of that incident, while he blames himself for whatever has happened, whether out of survivor's guilt or because it really was a prank that went wrong.

The Holiday/Dreemurr falling out is one of the most interesting, if not outright the most interesting, mystery in the game because of the nuance of it.
The fact Asgore's own ex-wife despises him now, but the father of December is really soft toward him. And Rudy trusts Kris enough to confide in them about Noelle's mom and to hope that Kris is willing to look out for Noelle.
Maybe it's just something as simple as Rudy earnestly believes Asgore's account of events and Toriel does not, but then why doesn't Toriel believe, and how does Kris fit in? Super interesting.

I mean, not acknowledging it in front of the kid is what any responsible adult would do, especially given how much time has passed. that doesnt mean the dreemurrs or holidays arent aware of it, and noelle has the whole thing memory-holed. its clear that there are things not being said here either way, given the palpable tension between the families. only rudy seems candid about any of it

Does make me wonder if Chapter 3 and 4 will give more insight on that type of shit

women are cunts is the nuance

I know it's stupid, but the split being basically unrelated to December and actually because Rudy and Asgore had a damn affair or something actually fits.

IS THERE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY GARAGE THAT SAYS "FALLEN MONSTER STORAGE"?

responsible adult

Inform me when this game gets any.

This is assuming Dess's disappearance is the reason for the divorce.

why can't bearmode women be real

why does spamton ask Kris this?
it's not his soul piloting him

unironically part of it is just rudy being a certified guy
if there's anything going on between rudy and asgore, its one sided

i believe that asgore did everything he possibly could have to find dess, likely going above and beyond because it was both a missing child and the daughter of his best friend, him being unable to find her is just not his fault after a certain point
rudy seems like the kind of guy to acknowledge that, and his trust in kris likely stems from kris and noelle being friends since the two of them were toddlers, even if kris was a shitter he clearly still cares about noelle despite the current rift between the two of them

he clearly still cares about noelle

noelle tea gives a whole ten more points than ralsei tea. im not so sure

Duhrrrrr

wasted trips

I don’t think 60-70 is bad. 10 is “I don’t know this person” iirc, which is when Ralsei drinks Noelle tea. I think he’s got a positive opinion on her, they’re just estranged.

the trips dont lie lil nigga

Their relationship is strained due to the Dess situation. I don't see how you can read the dialogue of them goofing around and think Kris doesn't care about her.

Okay, let's compile all the facts possibly related to Dess incident

Dess is missing

her absence traumatized Noelle, she still looks for her

Dess is not declared dead (no gravestone)

Kris became an empty shell at some point and stopped his pranks

Kris distanced himself from Noelle, but Noelle has no bad feelings for him

Kris looks hurt when you make him prank Noelle, even if she likes it

Asgore was removed from the force, Kris refuses to read the article about it

there is some kind of urban legend surrounding the bunker, and it involves Kris

(possibly unrelated) both Noelle and Mayor are obsessed with cold - Noelle gets lost in the thought in front of a fridge, Mayor blasts AC in her office

Anything else?

noelle and ralsei both get 50hp from their respective teas

as i said, there's a rift between the two of them
noelle isn't sure if they're still friends but still offers to be his project partner with birdly, and asks if he needs help with homework again
honestly the clearest feelings kris has with noelle is the back out options in snowgrave, he clearly doesn't want to put her through that and is overtly nice in an attempt to make up for it

I'm homeless.

Ralsei probably heard about Noelle from Susie, Noelle had seen Ralsei once but he reminded her of someone (one of the Dreemurrs, for sure)

ass gore...

I'm hopeless.

I FUCKING HATE NOELLE!!!!

ICE-E.

nigga what dialogue?

kris was a shithead

kris was a shithead

kris was a shithead and got beaten up by dess

all of these anecdotes coming from noelle who's delusional at the best of times

haha, kris was just joking around when he proceeded me in the bed of his dad's truck

Hi Homeless! I'm dad!

Spamton...

Seam

Ggguitars? Therapy? Trees? Basically the newest deltarune pages that give me a headache trying to figure it all out?

susie says that ralsei looks similar enough to toriel for them to pass as relatives, but she's never seen asriel so still unclear who he looks closer too
we can rule asgore out though

Dads piss me off. I'm getting mad. Hey, knock it off. Hey, I said, cut it out. I'm getting mad. Knock it off. Hey, none of that.

This is why I maintain tea theory and tea values was the worst thing to ever happen to Deltarune discussion. How the fuck did people get 60 points of healing being worse than "I don't know you / that's me" 10 points of healing?

how long until the REAL heroes get to shine?

Because secondaries and TERTIARY~ fans of something will always be as retarded as possible over meaningless details.

again, "I don't know you" doesnt give 10, it gives 50. Ralsei tea only gives kris 10 more than that, and noelle tea 10 more than ralsei tea.

chapter 4

the worst part about tea is that it's pure homestuck level nonsense and toby realized it was a mistake even after to put a bunch of effort into giving it values solely for dataminers

Yeah, let's keep it to the stuff we see in the game, ARG shit is too vague plus it's non-canon.

Kris looks hurt when you make him prank Noelle, even if she likes it

Anon, it's not that deep. Kris disliked that one joke because either of them could have been electrocuted.

Also, Kris is scared of the bunker. When the two classmates are looking at the bunker one says something like "are you going to be a scaredy cat like Kris?"

we can rule asgore out though

Or do we? What if he only recently went through twink death? What if it's the reason why Toriel divorced him?

there's no way Asgore is younger than 40.

God, you're stupid. Kris is one of the few people Noelle can say no to and they're clearly comfortable around each other. Kris starts waxing poetic about the Berdly statue to annoy Noelle, joking around when they don't stay on the switch and Noelle telling them to stay, "refunding" Noelle's gift, thwacking her with the bounce blade and they back up as if they're protecting Noelle from Queen when she wants to take another look at the "robot face" when they normally don't back away. You have to be seriously butthurt to say this is shithead behaviour.

it better be 25 bux worth of catti kicking ass or i swear

Well yeah, it's part of it.

LynxGriffin made a comic that feels like it could be canon. Dess and Kris explore the bunker on a dare, dark world fuckery happens and Dess disappears, Asgore gets fired because he can't find Dess and the mayor is furious, and Kris becomes withdrawn as a result of everything.

Or Kris has told scary stories about the bunker and one of them hasn't heard it.

Chickens are real in deltarune

Chickens are real in deltarune

Chickens are real in deltarune

noelle wasn't sure kris was her friend

CRACK CRACK CRACK THE EGG INTO THE BOWL

For some reason there's persistent misinformation that Ralsei tea gives Noelle +10 when it actually gives her +50. You can look this up on YouTube.
That does make it weirder that Kris only gets +60 from Ralsei and Kris and Noelle mutually get +70. But yeah, putting a number to peoples relationships like this is a fucking dumpster fire. I'm hoping the fact the tea specifically becomes "rotten tea" in future chapters is a double meaning to Toby realizing how bad this was for discussion.

nta but that is kris being a shitter
but it's clearly a bit for the two of them, noelle likes that side of kris because that's how he was like when they were kids, if anything it's just him reaffirming their trust together

What Noelle has for Kris is actual love, clearly.
Susie is just a fleeting infatuation.

7 DAYS FOR NEW SCHIZO BOSSES

7 DAYS FOR NEW SCHIZO BOSSES

7 DAYS FOR NEW SCHIZO BOSSES

7 DAYS FOR NEW SCHIZO BOSSES

7 DAYS FOR NEW SCHIZO BOSSES

The last two lines are pretty clear that even if Noelle isn't sure what Kris thinks of her, she actively desires Kris to think positively of her.

But when I closed my eyes, it felt like a concert just for me.

I don't know how people can be against Kris and Noelle when you have shit like that out in the open. God damn it. Toby I'm tired of this shipbait shit PICK A SIDE
THIS SIDE MAKES MY HEART HURT, SO GO WITH THIS ONE

Completely unrelated but Paper Trail's ending was shit.

No-no-no, that's not how things work in these threads. When I said that Kris was freaked out by Spamton NEO because he almost died alone in the basement, I got mobbed by people who insisted on some deeper reading about puppets and strings, so I'm not letting anyone else to make simple interpretations either.

I'm hoping the fact the tea specifically becomes "rotten tea" in future chapters

I hope it becomes rotten tea in Chapter 3 and then yogurt tea in Chapter 4.

Wholesome Kriselle fans are forever burdened by weird route angst/coercion proship Kriselle fans.

the True Spirit of Krismas vs. Late-Snowgrave Capitalism

proship

I know what you are.

Sadly, it's a normal thing to remember the time when your friend was behaving badly and got beaten up by your sister for it.
There is more nuance to Noelle and Kris's relationship than "Kris bad" or "PROCEED", they are both pretty weird and, at the same time, have obvious trauma buttons that havn't been addressed. Hopefuly in Chapter 3+4 we'll get a good side-by-side comparision of how Noelle acts in both the normal and Snowgrave versions to emphasis it more

people jump on the puppets and strings because even susie picked up on that
i agree that him being rattled was due to almost dying, but clearly spamton himself also had something to do with it

nigga thats on you

Wouldn't the theory of getting Susie to kill Lancer in chapter 1 completely break the game? Would she even be willing to go with Kris to the library in ch2? You'd have to write new dialogue for ch2 with an abbreviated run. I guess maybe Kris & Ralsei meet Queen in the first area and Ralsei tells her about the roaring immediately, perhaps.
Then in ch3 Susie wouldn't be at Kris's house, if Kris ever opens the dark world at all.

Snowgrave fags are (You)elle fags. Kris is just a puppet in that situation.

proship

I keep seeing this word in queer spaces, and I refuse to look up what it means out of principle.

noelle will ride with me
weird route will be the true ending

I don't actually care about proships I'm talking about how the community sees Kriselle posters. And this community outside here is very likely to know that word. It's also not even inherently derogatory, you can acknowledge a ship is "problematic" but still like it, probably explicitly because of the edge it has.

The Vessel is the knight (except in chapter 3)

it was a mystery even to seam, but jevil's very player/chara coded so that's a hint as to who's dream he might have.

They'd still be partners for the group project, but I think the intent of triggering any sort of Ch1 alt-route would be a complete derailing of the original story.

proship

wtf does this mean

I tried to look it up and only got some shipping companies so I am as lost as you are.

because the fucking Vessel is the knight. it's powered by the player's hopes and dreams and runs autonomously to make sure the player can continue Gaster's game while controlling Kris

Underaged shipping I think like adult x minor

Proship is based.

queer spaces

faggot. also proship is a word pedophiles use to justify sending kids to pornographic twitter accounts under the pretense of report-spamming

it means they're not anti-shipping(of underage characters)

So any Frisk or Chara ship with any adult, got it

I just think the word is retarded because it’s explicitly associated with people who put “PROSHIP DNI!!!” in their bios and whine about people making porn of characters they like
aka people who somehow have less of a life than the faggots on this board

Guys wait I made that proship post and I think I didn't even know what it means. I thought it means "problematic ship" but google says that's not what it means. It just means pro- any shipping??

Are you fucking kidding me? The fact that ship can be both incredibly fucked under the right circumstances or an example of childhood friends to lovers done right is what makes it so appealing.

kris marries noelle and the dreemurr and holiday families finally get together again, working together to deal with whatever happened to dess instead of everyone having a "don't talk about it" unwritten rule for years and years
asriel comes home and absolutely nothing weird happens, he's just some fuckin guy
dess already has a gravestone but it's not in the public cemetery because it's on the grounds of the holiday family mansion in proper olde new englande manor style
berdly goes off to school and no one hears from him again, he ends up working for a major defense contractor and putting smashing fighters jokes in the code for active radar missiles
catti keeps working at the diner and eventually takes over as owner once QC retires, she never thought she'd like her job but seeing everyone's families come in for lunch and smiling and laughing fills her cold, stoic heart (also, plaque. her heart is on its last legs from a life of obesity)
jockington grows the beard
susie tries pulling her power play shit on the wrong person one day and gets shot. no one sheds a tear.

hands are important

pic

Where's Berdly in Zwarte Piet getup?

My Gooner vessel is trying to rape me.

1/3 of the class lacks hands

what does it mean

Rape it back
You gotta assert dominance

Undertale was BUILT on pro-shipping.

Isn't that pretty much everyone?

Fingers coming from inside the phone
A hand that’s waiting ‘til you’re all alone
It pulls the strings and makes them ring
Until your heart gets ripped up!

Kinky.

Counterpoint: Even if being present while a fountain opens puts you to sleep, there is absolutely no fucking way that you wouldn't notice it happening.

Meaning: Whatever effect the dark world has on the characters means that they could be doing anything beforehand, and if convinced hard enough they'll believe it (as in, they spend the entire chapter being told it's a dream).

Meaning that in either scenario the result would have been the same. Noelle saying they were studying before falling asleep. Because either way the memory of how they got there was wiped and replaced with a rationalization.

Fuck Sans all my homies hate Sans

from what i've seen, antiproship people are more likely to do that (under the guise of "look at the fucked shit these freaks are doing!! *shoves random nsfw bullshit at your face* they are so gross and weird!!1!" with zero self-awareness)

The term being used on this board at all is a bad sign, but I’ll explain. There’s basically two views of the term. Underage, sensitive people have the wrong view, believing it means problematic shipping, aka stuff like adult/child, abuse, etc. The actual meaning is more akin to live and let live, don’t bother people over what they ship, if you don’t like it, that’s fine, don’t engage, ignore. The term anti is the opposite of this definition of Proship, where you do make a big fuss about it.

Closing the fountain reverts LV from 2 back to 1???
Also, what do you mean "Since Chapter 1"

The Knight reached its long hand into the sky, in the shadow of the Knight's hand, the hand of the Knight is drifting forward...

Mayor blasts AC in her office

This is a joker about her being a reindeer and enjoying the cold...

proship and antiship are used specifically int he context of shipping of underage characters, either with other minors or with adults.
There's some people that think fanart/fanfic of two teenagers dating is pedophilia even if the art isn't sexually explicit, and the terminology is retarded.

Dark world lv is different from light world lv. Since Chapter X probably shows which chapter you started from.

okay thats actually what i meant. i'm not a groomed little kid or a lolisho artist so i dont remember which is which

Fingers coming from inside the phone
A hand that’s waiting ‘til you’re all alone
It pulls the strings and makes them ring
Until your heart gets ripped up!

these are the most likely hidden lyrics
especially considering

plot twist: instead of Gaster's Lab or the Depths, the Bunker leads to the Meat Factory

So, is it akin to the old don't like, don't read?

I wanna draw something fags. Give me some requests

You talk like a pedo and your shit's all molesty

burgerpants grows the beard

Your favorite amalgamate scaring Noelle.

Noelle saying she's "so fucking hyped" while rubbing herself violently.

ralsei smoking doinks in amish

Seam with FRIEND returned to his body

Undyne and Kris at police shooting range

Exactly correct. Back then people used to just mock things like adult/child stuff (this isn’t the only thing that would be looked down upon, just the most common), now it’s become a whole moral issue.

Noelle nervously petting Endogeny.

Roaring is a Lion (cat) sound

in amish?

Susie the Undying, guaranteed.

Thank God the tea is gonna spoil, because people would've overanalyzed the tea throughout the next 8 chapters if they could

...why would you say this? Why???

You have to be 18+ to use this board

It gave Ralsei hates schaudenfraude since it implied he's nobodys favorite

And Scratching is what they do with their claws.

because I am now imagining that the Titans will actually have photoshop cat faces inside their armor and they'll trash reality like cats running over a movie miniature set

I jerk off to Temmie Changs feet almost weekly.

the whole game was just cats versus dogs

it's all a fucking joke because toby is a dog

Sounds like a catastrophe.

Nah, they're dark/star, not cat/puppet.

Exact same Sans fight from Undertale with Undertale mechanics (Fun Gang abandoned (You) and you're alone against him) and Megalovania as soundtrack.

I'm pretty sure that's the point, in that the game becomes a broken mess too early because of your actions you probably won't even be able to get to the end. There are, of cource, ways toby can deal with this:
1. Go the Undertale Route of saying just because you CAN do Genocide doesn't mean you should, basically your softlocked and have to do a new save
2. Use the broken nature of the run to reveal things you would not normally find out about to help you in other routes - ultimately, there is a reason for killing Lancer: It's because your choices don't matter, you MUST kill Lancer here because it's the only way to get King's mantle and make the ending where the Darkners of Chapter 1 hate you actually stick, which has consequences for Chapter 2 since you'll see how it effects Susie, all so you can fight the Chapter 3 schizoboss using the mantle

I hope Toby doesn't lean too hard into the ARG schizo shit, the vast majority of people only know about what chapter 1 and 2 tells you directly and wouldn't understand what was being referenced.

Just Berdly

Odds of Ralsei growing a backbone / learning from Susie to live for himself instead of worshipping Lightners?

Jevil is specifically connected to Seam, who is very obviously someone's beloved, stinky old stuffed animal who's been repaired dozens of times. Seam is the one who tells you Jevil's big backstory and says that they were friends (plus the spooky FRIEND foreshadowing).

Odds of Ralsei growing

High, but a guy got banned for it

papyrus.

honestly if I did it myself, Susie wouldn't be the final boss of Weird Route, but the last point at which you can abort it.
if you beat her up, that's it, you are fully locked in, no complaining about whatever mess comes after

so how long did it take her to smile?

Toby considers dogs and cats a single species anyway.

I'm like 90% sure that Seam belonged to either Gerson or Alvin

I hope to never hear Shittylovania ever again

toby you massive fucking faggot
youtu.be/ZyeEVmgcdII?si=atXhVBNeQW6qAf-C&t=4492

he's a grower not a shower

Two seconds.

iirc toby said they're not canon, but i hope that he adapts some of it into the game proper because they're some good stuff in there and it'd be a shame to let it go to waste

High. They'll continue to positively affect each other and that will be a part of it. Unfortunately, another character will soon make up for the excess of self-respect.

People don't bite your bite here, Temmieturd. Give up

Mentally ill people can't separate fiction from reality.

You just did

He's not wrong, it works the other way too. Dogs smaller than twenty pounds are just cats, and cats are useless.

Play shitty games, win shitty prizes.
Could be worse, at least it's not GameGrl

Fuck Sans

Frisk...

Pedo

I was about to ask what you angered you so much about the dialogue, since it's almost an one-to-one to what Dedan said on previous translations. And then I heard IT.

the ARG stuff is only to get some early hints about stuff like snowgrave has an impact on chapter 3 or that maybe we need the mantle for something in chapter 1
those will still be explained in the game but you can figure it out sooner

sex with both of these disgusting back-alley sluts

Goner!Frisk fighting the Fun Gang or something like that, please.

Get to work on your hero's game

Put a reference to your game in it

You would all do this. Don't lie.

Is this him putting Bonetrousle in OFF, or did Bonetrousle originate from OFF?

I mean, I'm a diagnosed schizophrenic and can still tell that cartoons aren't something you should emulate nor base your values on

Berdley saying he wants to date Susan = pedo game

who the fuck is susan

do you not get tired of doing nothing but posting the exact same dozen images every single thread

it's him putting bonetrousle in OFF
bonetrousle originated as the main battle theme for deltarune, but got reused for papyrus after he dropped deltarune the first time around

Why do people think you'll be able to
affect ch1, again? The 1 is tiny and invisible on the chapter5 website page, and says "not applicable"

Susan Wojcicki

Case in point.

then how'd the knight leave the dark world in the first place

he did that because papyrus is partially inspired by dedan

The original design of Papyrus looked like Dedan. That's why the reference

Absolutely not; this is disrespectful. Imagine if you commissioned a character design from an artist, and the artist put his own signature as a logo on the character's shirt.

I told you, I got new images.

Faux moral outrage

inb4 this is a hint that DR Papyrus will indeed be closer to his original concept

Proship means pro-pedophile . It's like MAP for nerds.

i'm still waiting

thinking you can reason with a shipfag

A ton of people who never played OFF are now ready to give their opinion about OFF's new music

Proshipping means you're pro tranny genocide. It's basedness for nerds.

Susan is suspicious anon. It means (You).

You just refuse to believe that "you would all do this" is false.

We're all shipfags here. No, he's something worse, he, may Allah forgive me for uttering such word, an avatarfag.

I never played OFF, here's my opinion: meh.

oppositeposting

Your concession has been accepted.

I am a shipfag now? I thought I was just a coomer.

Cell absorbed Temmie Chang.

OFF is mixel slop

Oh dear.

The prevailing idea is that needing to highlight it to see it is the equivalent of using the Shadow Mantle, with the link being the two ways you can go from /romb/.
You don't highlight it, you don't click the moving invisible box and you get told you need the Mantle.
You highlight it and then you get taken to /chapter3/ and Not Applicable... But.

HAHAHAHAAHA TOBY IS SUCH A FUCKING FAGGOT

All I know is that, regardless of how good the new OST might be, I will miss ACC's music.

We're all shipfags here

Well anon, who do you ship then?

Did you just concede you are a tranny?

BASED

enter library darkworld

buy CD bagels

eat them

re-enter lightworld

immediately die as all the half digested CD bagels turn into actual CDs

Noelle/Ralsei, Susie/Berdly, Kris/Asriel

I ship Toriel and Asgore.

Toby's only ever dated women...

Kris's body is already dead and Sus can handle eating CDs.

*Suspiciously CD shaped Kris, where did all the CD's go???

Oh boy, time for another spergout from indie depressionfags.

So what minigames can we expect in Chapter 3?

The average Anon Babble argument, everyone.

Kris has sex with Toriel minigame (that lasts for 3 hours)

Chasriel and Friskiriel, plus some Kris/Frisk. I am weird.

That's absolutely 100% wrong and has been wrong since at least 2018.

People who watch YouTube videos about games outnumbered people who play first hand almost 2000 to 1. More people know the secrets than the do the basic game play facts. There's a reason all the marketing consultants push for the arg youtube theory bait garbage.

Madotsuki and Frisk dated for a while but it didn't work out

This has convinced me that a papyrus superboss fight is actually a possibility

I'm a fag so I want NiceCreamGuy/Pizzapants and Rudy/Asgore to happen

Me x Sans

Yeah, they found out they're straight.

lusting after yummy nickels feels so wrong, but this body type is so appealing to me and my stupid coomer brain

Would Kris accept Sans as his new step father

Least toxic Gaster/Temmie effortshipper.

Good thing she doesn't actually look like that.

Asgore and Maddie
Queen and Me
Muffet and Me
Tasque Manager and Me

Mostly pretty basic shit like Krusie and Charasriel.

Alphys/Asgore, Undyne/Harry Du Bois

I know. I can write it off as some non-canon Madotsuki

You're fucked dude, this place actually has mods unlike Anon Babble

Go forth and goon, anon. Goon... (I don't have more Mado images).

Shipping for the main characters is solved already, so I'm doing side stuff like Swatch/Literally any adult woman.

Don't reply to him. Just report his posts instead

Come to me trough fire and war, come to me and look upon the heart , upon the heart .

I'm just waiting for the Earthbound Depression Smash Bros style game. Madotsuki, Batter, Brad, Frisk, Wayne, Phillip, Susie, Sunny, and of course, Alex.

Yeah and Bratty literally has a house full of pet cats.

But this was also explained in Undertale when they say
Baby animal people just look like regular animals and eventually become furries.

No Niko

fuck you

Reminds me of how there's dialogue in Pokemon that suggests chickens are part of the universe

If you are taking suggestions, I'd like to submit Russell from Endroll as an addition to that roster.

Fuck off with your E33 spam

lol

puts you to sleep

*Vriska Serket cereal spit .png*

Reminder he's breaking American law.

do deltarune animals have SOULs?

look at indie party "fighting" game

it's an allegory for depression

reminder

Who wins between the indie depression babes?

get goaded by ralsei to observe light world noelle in 3/4

on snowgrave she's LV 2

This guy clears

Frisk doesn't belong there

The spoiler part is made up.

Um, WRONG! Glorious nippon disagrees with you.

Toby says anything within the game is NOT canon. (not important nor required for the story)

Nothing short of an irl arrest will really stop this kind of character, anon. When the chapters drop he'll be drowned out for a time. Just 7 more days...

the Dopefish reference was also replaced with him

Outside the game, anon. Outside.

I feel like taking out Susie is going to be a weird route plot
Susie being universally beloved by the party feels too intentional, she's basically the second protagonist at this point but she's not irreplaceable. It would also further allow (You) to take control of Noelle by removing someone she really cares about, and it would create a very notable shift in tone for the rest of game
It's also something Kris would hate doing, just like Snowgrave was

Im not playing the new chapters until I can pirate them as a fuck you to toby for delaying the game even more for nintendo. The guys an asshole for doing that.

people always forget the girls from the original earthbound inspired rpg with depression

He's pretty much non-issue at this point, he's too low-energy to do anything really destructive and his posts are cleaned up almost instantly. Recent days had shown there are much bigger threats.

*not within the game

Anon...

fanfic gods won

not even an off fan but this is bitch behaviour
it wasn't toby's game to fuck with, he should know better than that

I like bonetrousle but good god it serves far better as a wacky character's theme tune than a regular battle theme.

your game is overtaken by an invasive specie of easter egg

When you get invited to the girl's sleepover because you're an androgynous kid so the parents don't care

My completely detached from the series AU is finally real

okay, that's indeed a dick move.

It's kinda funny that Japan see the humans as 100% female while western artists see them as 100% male (outside of sexual motivated contrarian porn artists).

Western artists always make them fatter and browner for some reason.

man that's kinda
annoying

you do realize that toby isn't developing the off remake, just composing for it
toby didn't replace dopefish, mortis ghost did that

I like people here trying to defend the honor of the OFF creator as if he didn't approve this shit to begin with

Actually soulless. The whole point of dopefish references is that it's an ID shoutout. and plenty of games both indie and non indie reference the dopefish.

Fuck you Toby.

retcons annoying dog into Earth's primordial soup

nothing personnel

SHUT UP BE OUTRAGED NOW

bonus fun fact, heartache was originally composed for jevil

Yeah cus of fat autistic niggers and white feminists.

Self-censorship is still censorship, and Toby likely pressured it.

GRRR I HATE THAT TOBY! HE DRIVES ME TO DRINK!

It's a really pompous thing to do. Especially since proto-papyrus being an obvious Dedan copy was not to Toby's credit to begin with.

Don't bother. Unless the other composers also get cameos, people will continue to be annoying about this.

Don't you have some cans to be shooting, Cletus?

UHH QUICK I NEED TO MAKE SOMETHING UP A NEW REASON TO BE MAD ABOUT THIS

get help, unironically

Replacing a copyrighted character is censorship

the fuck are you talking about?

Meds NOW

I dont like guns

I think it's a bot that's breaking.

bonetrousle originated as the main battle theme for deltarune, but got reused for papyrus after he dropped deltarune the first time around

Dude was literally just doing dogshit Earthbound hacks before Undertale doe

Isn't it explicit that Gerson's childhood toys were donated to the school, the same way Kris and Asriel's were?

x.com/tobyfox/status/806111130515079168

People freaking out about this are faggots. As if Toby usurped Ghost in some way to forever leave his stain on the game when the whole point is that the original composer fucked off and told everyone to die.

Wasn't his game to fuck with

HE WAS FUCKING PAID MONEY TO COMPOSE THE FUCKING MUSIC.
MORTIS CHANGED THE EASTER EGG.

KILL YOURSELF

No, he was composing for Homestuck, then he started working on the first draft of Deltarune, then he made Undertale and then he tried making Deltarune again.

game i was working

Working on a game implies you were the one that actually made it, dude just stole assets from all over the place and modified them. I mean Notch did the same thing, no idea why you people defend theft

Was Toby legally obligated to include Undertale music in his compositions for the game or something? You act like he has no agency here.

MORTIS CHANGED THE EASTER EGG.

Mortis has no involvement with this, and at the very least Toby had to give permission for the annoying dog being used in the game because of copyright. He could have said, "hey, maybe you could replace Dopefish with something else instead of my character"

the whole point is that the original composer fucked off and told everyone to die

That's not even remotely close to what went down.

In the meantime, raise for national Spamton.
Fuggs has snatched the closing act at this summer's premiere cringefest.

Deltarune was the game Toby originally wanted to make but he settled on Undertale because Deltarune was too ambitious. When Undertale was a smash hit he finally had the resources to make Deltarune.

Mortis has no involvement with this,

Good job outing yourself as someone that doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about

WHY ARE WE YELLING

Sorry guys got distracted
First one. Burgerpants grows the (Neck) beard

It's Anon Babble we have to hyperbolically exaggerate everything for the sake of heated argument bait

SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SHOUT IT OUT

deltarune plays exactly just like undertale and it moves exactly just like undertale. If anything undertale is more ambitious because it's an actual finished product

Retard.
Except people literally are having a problem with what Toby chose to compose since he's injected bonetrousle of all things. And as another anon pointed out, they would had to have gotten permission from Toby to put the annoying dog in the game so he did in fact have the final say there.

QC and myself. I'll make that bunny a mommy.

When will Anon Babble make an AU fangame of their own?

NOTU DISSU FLIPPING SHITTU AGAIN

An ending so shit it defines your entire legacy

your brain is misfiring

I mean alright, I'm just telling you what happened.

is bratty doing the cat equivalent of "landlords fear the indoor chicken farmer"

mortis ghost did that

I still hate looking at it, I wouldve rather it been removed all together. If it was mortis' choice to replace the batter with the vessel it wouldnt automatically make it a good choice, Im playing OFF for the OFF, not more undertale shit

Once /agdg/ or whatever it's called actually makes a game

Wait for Deltarune equivalent of Snoot Game I guess.

I actually hate this, wow. Overriding the Dopefish is too far.

they would had to have gotten permission from Toby to put the annoying dog in the game so he did in fact have the final say there

grrrrrrrr toby said okay to putting an easter egg in the game i hate him he ruined the whole game!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blind fanaticism is not good, look at the actions not the words.

OFF was never meant to be commercial so I just sampled the shit out of the music and I'm afraid this might get me in trouble

Though he has a point this post ultimately reads like a schizo with no spine to speak of wanting everything both ways until finally deciding that if he can't then he'll just have none of it. It's like if he had a point and then strategically disarmed it so that all the actual points he made were just supplement to his faggy attitude.

They've made several.
made-by-agdg.vercel.app/

this is fucking incredible, thank you anon
it's disgusting on a level i couldn't have imagined

Moving the goalposts anon. The original argument was this wasn't on toby.

So never

Always did.

I legitimately do not understand what you are on about, sorry.

fpbp

Surely this should work

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Fucking RAPE TEMMIE and STAB ALL FUCKING NIGGERS (Not actual black people theyre cool)

Your welcome Anon, Im glad you like it
FUCK

If anything undertale is more ambitious because it's an actual finished product

That's literally why undertale was less ambitious. It's scope was small enough for Toby to actually get it finished in the span of a few years.

He was afraid of sampling getting hin in trouble? Did he not see Toby sample Ronald Mcdonald and Spongebob and steal Nintendo's soundfonts and nobody cared?

Your argument has shifted from "it's not Toby's place to make this decision," to "Toby should have provided input and directed him."

Anon Babble is already making several, you just need to know where to look for them.

Anon Babble strips metadata, if you're posting from your phone then flip it manually first

When does she say she has cats?

Japs basedly see Frisk as a girl.
Wtf are you talking about? Westerners see Chara and Frisk as girls, too, and japs see Kris as a boy. Just Google Frisk or Chara and click on images.

To be fair, he literally couldn't since Off predates Undertale by several years

What's the point? Krusie is going to be canon anyway.

cliques hiding in discord that may or may not have originated from Anon Babble aren't Anon Babble related at all

When she goes on about loving cats and then you go up to her house and there are twenty cats staring at you through the window and you hear a bunch of cats.

Onechuds right now

You cant copyright a soundfont used in a game since they all use samples from keyboards sound cds etc. The copyright belongs to the people who made the original sounds.

Who said anything about Discord?

This is why whenever you join a server you need to start saying nigger and faggot as much as possible and if anyone has a problem with it then it's not a Anon Babble server.

No, I know that. OFF inspired Toby when makung Undertale. But if I read this correctly isn't this sampling stuff the reason his music ISN'T in this new version? He should know by now that it's fine

I thought the clawing sounds were from her family.

Nobody mentioned discord bro

Doctor...I'M BURNING UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!

where are the citations

It'd probably just be a game built out of the developer's pet theories and way more centered around schizo/meta dickery.
Deltarune fangames have a lot of mileage since they aren't married to Toby's fever dream endgame.

Trying to fit in this badly

I miss when Anon Babble wasn't just people like you who got banned from other sites

"it's not Toby's place to make this decision,"

That was never the argument. The argument literally was that Toby should have stepped in when he could and do the respectful thing. And he absolutely could when decisions on how to compose the music and permission to use the annoying dog was on him.

Anon...

he doesn't know

I knew that was going to be attributed to that one image of the ku klux klan guy who always says "MAN I HATE NIGGERS" but really, what else do you have? You gotta be some kind of faggot little homo to get so annoyed by it.

Based delusional poster, I wish you were right.

everyone shut the fuck up and post your sons

I’d fuck the vessel

When was the last time you replayed Chapter 2? Susie already has feelings for Noelle.

I'm proud of him and look forward to controlling him in the Giygas portion of the game when Kris' body starts to reject our Soul inputs.

Hell in Chapter 1 Noelle is talking about confessing to Susie to Rudy in the hospital

thought about her two times

feelings

Toby thought up Deltarune's story first, decided that it was too big for him to complete on his own, and instead made Undertale as a smaller self-contained story that re-used some of the Deltarune character concepts.
Then he went back to his bigger Deltarune project now that he has infinite money and doesn't have a time limit counting down to him starving to death in Andrew Hussie's basement.
These are factual events that happened.

I don't understand what you mean by fantacism or "ambition is when something is already finished".

I think she's just afraid if she bullies her like everyone else the mayor will exile her from town

You're misunderstanding. The concern that sampling would get him into trouble was made concerning this paid remaster of OFF. Which absolutely is after Undertale.

So Berdusie is canon then? He outright said he's in love with her and even tried to get her to kiss him.

Instructions unclear, posting my gray waifu, Gooner.

ok toby relax

Why does Anon Babble continue to support and promote the intellectual property of a dev who openly hates us and supports all the movements/practices we hate

Damn I wish I was Toby. The dude is rich as fuck

Because you touch yourself.

Yes

Is this just "bait hours" or what
I'm getting bored

how do you do fellow chuds

Sorry, we told you in the last thread why we aren't going to outrage at the game for slightly disagreeing with our views

openly hates us

Maybe he wouldn't if all the pedos were culled

we're losing our minds
the WAIT is almost over
we just have to WAIT for the WAIT to have been WAITED

toby post the next teaser, PLEASE

Hiro desperately needs ad money so he lets people bait, spam, and bot to their heart's content as long as it isn't nsfw.
That's why we got the IP counter removed instead of getting post IDs. The less usable the board is, the more profit it can generate.

I don't believe in cancelling people for their beliefs and will continue to support Toby despite his problematic behaviors.

Almost everything on Anon Babblepol is bait, didn't you know newfag-kun?

toby dont post the next teaser, I want to go in blind PLEASE

Tolerating media and people that hate me is a slight against me. I’m not going to sit here and silently watch you talk up an abuser.

Next thread:

This, the leak and hack of Anon Babble showed that most posters are actual bots

Toby Fox here. I don't hate you.

Because eastern artists drawn hot fanart based on his game.

Nah.

No.

It's just 3 or 4 notes as a cute reference?

Thanks Toby. I don’t hate you either.

Oh wait, my mistake. I thought it was culture warrior susellefag again, but it's just Poopy Joe.

I'm going to start attributing this sentiment to sharty retardation because everyone keeps saying it with absolutely no basis or understanding of how that would actually work.

Why does your son looks so much like my son?

It's funny how everyone is parroting a claim about jannies with .gov emails, when even the leaker had denied it.

Tell me about it, oy vey, why can't these people just accept the enshittification?

Even after taking Noelle's virginity in the weird route Susie is like

Huh? Why is Noelle's dad talking to me about Noelle?

Also Rudy tells Kris to take Susie on a date, so even he's barely counting on Suselle

They both got excellent taste in hair

There are already some anons doing that right now

Gaster has stigmata

What?

you literally have bot farms and jeets using bots,

Inb4 no proof

They don't have show it. We have an entire situation where a bunch of university fags used bots on Reddit and nobody even knew until they admitted it

Nobody claimed that outside of that one dude who's email name matched an actual fed who posted on Anon Babble. People DID make fun of the actual retards who used an Edu.mail for janny shit.

common fan interpretation of the mysteryman sprite
most people assume the black spots in his "hands" must be holes in the "palms"

has this thread talked about DR's thematic similarities with expedition 33 yet

Even after taking Noelle's virginity in the weird route

Uhh... this didn't happen.

Also don't forget that Kris and Susie had shared an indirect kiss and (prepare for unspeakable filth, I may get banned for posting it on blue board) held hands. And Susie was sniffing his hair constantly in the class.

No but I see threads about that fucking game every time I show up in the catalog about how it saved gaming because it "isn't woke" or whatever Anon Babble is rambling about these days

Nobody claimed that

It's true that leaker didn't claim that, but I've seen plenty of normie places claim that, though.

...nta but it would fill in that part that Susie says she would tell Kris later.

to fair to Susie, it's kinda hard not to fixate on a guy that smells like apples when you are hungry as fuck

not mentioning kris specifically left the moss so he could share it with susie later

even susie can't deny kris was based for that

What the hell is a "jeet"

What did you two do in there?

Nothing (Kris, I'll tell you later)

It was more of a nightmare... But the ending was good

Noelle also implies she saw Susie's tail in her dream. Even if you think the events of the normal route simply happened, there's also a lot of time unaccounted for where Susie returns to Noelle while Kris deals with spamton which doesn't happen in the normal route

Tell me about the moss. Why does Kris crave it so much?

Im sure Noelle constantly smells like gingerbread and you dont see her obsses about that

They don't have to show it

They do it! Just look at this story on Reddit!!!

Fucking lol, man. You're a fucking clown.
Keep sucking that diaperfag dick.

Anon Babblebabble, ignore and discuss game

How about thematic similarities with Ganpuru? Alien sheriff hijacks kid's body to do some law enforcement work on Earth, and townfolks keep noticing you acting in a weird way.

Game is not diegetic, he is controlled by Wayward Vagabond. He ate the green crayon and tried to bite Ralsei's dummy too.

I think that's what the "indirect kiss" was refering to, though if not idk what thats about

To be very very fair, Susie is sitting right behind Kris while Noelle is far away from her.

YOU THERE BOY

Based WV misgendering June

Short for "Pajeet", which may or may not be a valid Indian name. Originating from an Anon Babble meme where young Pajeet needs to decide whether or not he wants to shit in the toilet or on the street. Used as a derogatory term for Indians.

Note that "jeet" is still a totally normal suffix for Indian names despite being used entirely as an insult in the west.

Kill yourself.

THESE DICKS ARE FUCKING MY ASS
IM THE ORIGINAL

GAYFUCKER

No, they bit the same apple in the_newest_girl, and we know that's a big deal for Susie.

Sitting behind him, shlicking her little heart out

i thought you were talking about the apple in the noelle blog post, which they also 'shared'

an interaction can become personal/private to the extent that you would only confide the details when alone with a close friend, without it being sexual... also susie's behavior afterwards does not suggest it either

The indirect kiss was when you speak to Susie about the big horn that connects their rooms. Susie suddenly goes, "Huh? You can fit your whole face in there? Hey, me too!" Meaning they were both basically, indirectly, going face to face in that moment.

Toby wouldn't go that far.

also susie's behavior afterwards does not suggest it either

Yeah, that's why she had smug expression. That's the face of someone who was just comforting a distressed girl.

Except the part where she's giddy about sharing the details

I really can't wait to see who gets killed in Chapter 3. I really hope it's Toriel or Undyne. If it's going to mirror Undertale Toriel makes sense to die first, but I can also see Undyne dying. I think if Toriel dies then maybe Asriel will come home early and we'll see him in Chapter 4?

Forcing Kris to manipulate someone into killing Toriel would be horribly traumatic for them and awesome for schadenfreude.

We probably exaggerate to rattle susellefags and snowcucks a bit, but they definitely kissed or hugged.

I hope it's undyne because I'm homophobic

How will we be able to kill Toriel? It probably won't be with Snowgrave. Will we be able to manipulate Undyne into using a similar type of spell or will we see her die inadvertently? Or will we be able to outright kill her with a knife in combat?

Ahh right, forgot about that one

ywn be able to eat susie's spit

Im not the anon who brought up the indirect kiss first, I was just confused

What will Asgore and Asriel think about Toriel's death? Will they blame Kris? Or will they finally be relieved that she's gone?

Not a kiss, either. Probably just what happens in pacifist but more emotional.

Calm down, Joel, there's still chance you'll get your fishwife back.

We'll probably get an unredeemable boss that can't be reasoned with before anyone actually dies aside from Rudy.

We will kill Toriel and somehow bring Chairel into the light world to replace her, breaking the game even more by making a darkner not turn back into an object

mama's boy and mister I-can't-move-on being happy that Toriel died

????

Maybe not a kiss, but she definitely confessed to her or asked her out.

Lol is this autism

Deltarune is too soft to kill off Rudy

inb4 Rudy passed away during the night

Toriel is going to die brutally and suffer in the weird route.

youtube.com/watch?v=xQJOmT6J7N4

There are a few made with varying levels of progress and polish

Not only will Rudy die, but we'll also learn post-mortem that he molested both Noelle and Kris. Toriel divorced Asgore because he knew

Toriel is a boss monster

Her soul is probably worth a damn

Wait yeah she actually may be in danger

noelle's mental breakdown depends on rudy dying

considering replaying undertale on the very slim chance it might affect deltarune

boot up deltarune while it's downloading to check my saves

they're all fucking gone

And now I scramble to get it all back before time runs out.
Goodbye, Anon Babble, it is time to play video games.

Rudy's gonna survive BUT the method that helps him survive is gonna be dark world-related and it's gonna have unforeseen consequences. Screencap this.

Monsters don't even have magic in deltarune, what makes you think boss monsters still exist?

Matter of fact, it was always a meta concept anyway. Asgore and toriel are boss monsters because Asgore is *the* boss of Undertale aside from anomalies like flowey and sans. As far as we know, neither toriel nor Asgore will even be fightable in deltarune

That's as far as I cam see it going.

If that gaster follower fuck would move out of the way in the library maybe I could argue against this but you have a point

Good luck and have fun.

*can