Fights for small developers

>Fights for YOU, the consumer

So are games 30% cheaper on his platform, or..?

duh it's called becoming a monopoly. no one is actually looking out for the consumer, competition is your only friend

all he fights for is his own pocket
and his shop is shit. just copy&paste steam already

what's truly bad for everyone is unreal engine being the industry standard

Fights for YOU, the consumer

Can I buy umreal tournament from him?

Just don't put your games on Steam. Simple as.

If you don't like Steam taking a cut, then just don't sell through Steam?

valve makes more money per employee than apple because of the steam monopoly that requires barely any work or investment on their part

They have no rebuttal to this trvke

That's like saying don't put your products at Walmart. Say goodbye to 90% of the market.

How gullible are you?

Do we hate him? I only even remember his name because you said it.

He's a liar; you're a liar too.

Why are games the same price on his store then if they take a smaller cut?

largely because steam mandates price parity

Didn't ask, Timmy.

all that money is out of the pockets of people who do the business of creating video games
You take the risk of losing your house if a game flops
steam takes the risk of not making free money off of you

Toxotransmosis moment.

Steam maintains the platform that gives your game a chance of actually selling in the first place
Why would that not entail remuneration?

How's he fighting for me, the consumer, when he sells games at the exact same price as everyone else and forces me to change the store I buy from to one which is less good?

His store isn't even making a profit, how long is he gonna keep losing money on it?

As oppose to what? No one is required to release on steam. If steam didn't exist their shit would sell less because no one would know about it

if steam literally sharted itself today and closed servers permanently publishers would make more money because then the users would use a different platform that allows them a bigger cut
what steam does functionally isnt anything special and dozens of tech companies could replace it instantly

But if every game was cheaper on Epic, people would naturally use it more and buy more games on it.

He's the enemy of pc gamers.

The only thing he fights for is his chinese overlords.

They could just 'refund' the savings

Many of the games on EGS aren't even sold on Steam. They still have plenty of exclusives. Prices are the same as always. If Steam is somehow mandating price parity for EGS exclusives, then I dunno what to say about that.

Then how does green man gaming get away with it.

why are you lying
alan wake 2 was like 50€ a month after launch

I don't care how much a game that flopped was discounted a month after launch. What price did it launch at, 50 EUR?

There's also the bit where he pays out the ass to restrict games to his shitty platform in a vain attempt to get people to use it. That's kind of the polar opposite of fighting for the consumer.

Yet they don't. They could instantly offer an alternative that takes a smaller cut without sacrificing the users' experience which would allow for lower pricing or other giveaways and drive Valve out of the market instead of waiting for them to die, but nobody manages to. If Steam vanished right now devs would have to go around getting their game onto every alternative that pops up in order to reach the same amount of customers as they won't be centralised anymore.
The only reason for a company to take a smaller cut is to attempt to compete with Steam in the first place, take that incentive away and guess what will happen

what even is your point then

Because I'm not paid to like this rat person, like you

Except literally every digital distributor with the exception of Epic has the exact same 30% cut as Steam does, and Epic admitted in court their 12% cut wasn't a sustainable business model without Fortnite money to cannibalize to keep it afloat.

It's not just that, just think about how much damage Fortnite has done to the industry

His point is that the savings aren't being passed onto the consumer, so we have no reason to give a fuck.

The consumer pays the same price, but the developer collects a bigger cut, meaning they are less incentivized to produce lowest common denominator slop because even modest sales can turn a profit. Are Pcbros seriously so fucking retarded they don't understand basic economic principles?

My point is that games aren't cheaper on EGS. The prices there are the same regardless of whether they are exclusive or launch on Steam too and saying "This game flopped and they discounted it after launch" isn't an argument against it.
Fallout 76 was also discounted to literally free after launch because it did so poorly. Doesn't mean it wasn't a 60 dollar game. They didn't sell it for cheaper despite using their own Bethesda launcher. Same deal with EGS. They still ask the same kind of money for games despite offering worse service.

So this 12% cut or whatever EGS is offering to developers? It doesn't fucking do anything for the consumer.

It's as low as 20% but of course they are dishonest

With that in mind, we’ve created new revenue share tiers for games that hit certain revenue levels. Starting from October 1, 2018 (i.e. revenues prior to that date are not included), when a game makes over $10 million on Steam, the revenue share for that application will adjust to 75%/25% on earnings beyond $10M. At $50 million, the revenue share will adjust to 80%/20% on earnings beyond $50M. Revenue includes game packages, DLC, in-game sales, and Community Marketplace game fees. Our hope is this change will reward the positive network effects generated by developers of big games, further aligning their interests with Steam and the community.

what steam does functionally isnt anything special and dozens of tech companies could replace it instantly

No, they couldn't because companies aren't willing to put in even a quarter of the effort Steam has to make it appealing to the customer

Sure Gabe

meaning they are less incentivized to produce lowest common denominator slop

Even your braindead shill ass doesn't believe this fucking bullshit.

EGS couldn't even provide a shopping cart feature for years

Valve caters to AAAslop jews who don't need more money

Starving indie devs get fucked

Wow how generous.

They're MORE incentivized, they take a percentage based boost in revenue so more sales makes a bigger difference to their profits
If they have the integrity to ignore that then they have a higher chance of staying alive but they would have released that risky game anyway

I never did
But I never rooted for him either.

To put in wrestling terms, it's like observing Court Bauer. He makes good decisions occasionally, but I also watch him fall flat on his face constantly. It's just a matter of when.
Wether I'm entertained by that is a different question.

I'm not installing egs.

He only fights for himself.

based desu

That's cool and all, but the starving indie devs get infinitely more value out of Steam than the AAA slop publishers do.
AAA slop factory doesn't need Valve to tell you that FIFASlop 2027 is now available, you already know. They get nothing out of Steam, except a platform to peddle their slop to square headed subhumans whereas the starving indie actually gets some discoverability for their game.

basic economic principles

it only takes the tiniest bit of foresight to see exactly how tim would rug pull "goodwill" from an entire industry if his platform was taken seriously, the crypto jew in him would bloom

Bitching from the indie devs made them change to this system because they weren't able to create a game popular enough to give them an edge big enough to negotiate 25% or 20% directly

store.steampowered.com/app/340340/Domestic_Dog/
This game was made by someone posting on Anon Babble and he said he was able to get 25% for his next game by just asking. The faggots making artistic walking simulators had no one to blame but themselves

Fights for YOU, the consumer

Why doesn't he pass the savings onto the consumer then?

I envy the dead who no longer need to see such shit.

yeah. 30% is fine for the smaller titles that are very unlikely to pay significant amount of money to steam for the services the platform provides
but every step above the ladder for investment into games the deal gets worse and worse

I cringe at the thought valve makes more money from the sales of an AAA game than the games publisher.

10 million revenue is less than 350k copies on a $30 game
literally just make something that isn't dogshit

BIGGEST LOSER IN GAMING, TIM SWEENEY

I don't think that's true, but if it were I'd honestly believe that's fair. Valve offers a decent service whereas the AAA publishers should go bankrupt in a perfect world.
Preferably yesterday.

If you hate the idea of hundreds of people working together to make a video games to entertain you maybe you should get a different hobby.

That only matters for steam keys

all that money is out of the pockets of people who do the business of creating video games

good lol

No AAA game has been made with my entertainment in mind for at least a decade

I don't hate that idea at all. They just don't know how to make a fun video game, so I'm okay with them losing their job and picking a different one. Like a janitor. Or a burger flipper.
I'm sure they'll be more competent at those jobs.

Bro, you are not going to find support here if your argument is that AAA deserves more money and love. I get you're literally a paid shill but at least know your audience.

Reminder that cloud saving doesn't work on the epic games store.
I was retarded once and got Death stranding on epic because the it was on sale for a piss cheap price, and I still regret it to this day.
I played halfway through the game, then had a problem with my PC so I had to format it.
Downloaded DS again and my saves were gone :^)
Fuck timmy and fuck epic

If there are hundreds of people working on a game, it's not them trying to entertain you, it's suits ordering a bunch of devs to make money to please the shareholders.

I don't think about him at all.

all that money is out of the pockets of people who do the business of creating video games

How so? It's money they never had and were never promised. That's like complaining that a tip is money out of the pocket of the restaurant owner.

Remind me again how viable this was before Steam created the entire market for indie games?
How many people were able to live on shareware sales?

Why do we hate Tim Sweeney again?

Because he is a filthy Chinese Communist Party bootlicker

That's Gabe Newell.
steamchina.com

things that were true 20y ago arent today
average indie makes 20€ from selling their game on steam and alternatives have existed for decades

egs has a reduced cut

games cost exactly the same

wow that truly benefited me, the consumer, for the publisher has more money in the pocket and I got a shitty platform/storefront service in return

Honestly, I'm surprised so many Japanese rights holders were willing to have their creations paraded around in Fortnite

How much do they make by only releasing on these alternatives?

It's Steam's fault I tells ya the price was lower before they changed it

create a service that basically runs itself while printing money

how is that bad

Valve is a private company based in Bellevue, Washington
Epic Games is owned by Tencent a known CCP front

Because in reality he fucks over small developers by trying to entice them into signing on with an Epic store exclusive contract under the pretense that they'll make a much bigger profit due to Epic takkng a smaller cut than average. In reality he's just fucking them over because the only thing most people use Epic for is to launch Fortnite so the devs are stuck making little if any money until contract ends and they can finally put their game on other store fronts people actually fucking use like Steam, GOG, or even fucking Itch.io.

Devs

You mean publishers? The evil people who pay devs salary?

because he's a cunt who hates consumers and his company is a giant turd actively ruining gaming

Because

waaaaaaaaah its not fair111!11!!!!!!!!

Steam only works because its a good service. This enrages the reddit commie faggot to their core.

spend a lot of time creating something that works incredibly well

you are doing it wrong because it's not costing you enough money!

Yet there's no epicchina.com that caters specifically to the CCP. Curious!

And Tim Sweeney has directly criticized China while Gabe never says a word.

Is there an actual unironic EGS shill in here?

digital = retail

Stop having American IQ.
Btw Walmart is nothing outside of US. Deal with your actual monopoly.

I can guarantee you that there are marketers employed by epic games operating on the video game board of one of the biggest forums on the internet
whether it's these idiots obviously outing themselves and not just shitposters is debatable

Is there an actual unironic egs shill in here?

It depends on your definition, but yeah.
Both GOG and Epic pay retards to come here and pretend Steam is bad because it's getting in the way of them being assholes.

Yes, 20% cheaper

Why are games the same pric-ACK

Fights for YOU, the consumer

Yes, that's why that platform is infested with NFT scam "games"
Yes, that's why there's digital dark patterns that make you unintentionally buy stuff in their games
Yes, that's why the platform doesn't allow you to review games
Yes, that's why he just said "you'll find a way to pay more if you're a TRUE fan"

And Tim Sweeney has directly criticized China

Must have been a very long time ago because I can't find shit on google.

Don't. Put. Games. On. Steam.

Yes. He's the jeet that calls everyone "Steamies".

I don't, I just upload them to F95

I'd rather take 30% of a very large pie than get 100% of a very small pie that won't exist for like a year.
Is this understandable for him?

you can use 20% fall guys gacha money to buy ... more fall guys gacha!

before end of the week

His store is fucking shit, simple as. It's so shit that EGS doesn't get any traction despite literally giving away games for free and devs who release their games there report that nobody buys them. Meanwhile Steam never changed its 30% fee and it still holds an almost total monopoly without even bothering to do typical anti-competitive shit like, say, having exclusivity deals, and paying developers to release their games for free.

Hmm...

Games were better when devs got 30% tops. Maybe we should go back to those days.

ENTIRE game store and business strategy is dependent on a single game selling

Well technically his business strategy is to flail around like a retard for a while and this somehow materializes the monopoly he accuses Valve of having.
It requires fortnite licensing deals and whales to dump money into, but it's not really part of "the strategy".

fights

All he does is hold games hostage though

Steam still has better customer service than any other platform by a mile and I can only imagine that will change once we have razor thin margins for Steam.

So? Never read about war before?

To stay invisible to your imaginary friends?

I've heard of trade wars but this is ridiculous folks

put the free game in the bag man

Timmy of course knows that Steam is actually justified in their cut, just based off of all the services they provide as a Storefront, forum, community hub and pseudo 'social media', not to mention everything else included in those like the Workshop, Inventory system, Steamworks, market, the list goes on
He's just hoping his brain dead fans will blindly listen to him on Twitter

It works for nintendo though

Steam still has better customer service than any other platform by a mile

You've got to be kidding.

Valve let the users do their customer service for them. It's notoriously very difficult to get any help from Valve themselves and they largely just give you standard useless advice like "Update your drivers and directx..." and nothing more. Out of all the people I've dealt with Valve was, by far, the worst.

this but taxes

Have feature parity with steam or i will never give a fuck. It's not like they'll lower prices if it's only 1%

How often do you have issues with steam that you need to speak to their customer support frequently?

*fights for pc launcher market share

ftfy

About as often as I've had to talk to any of the other people about their platforms.

The few issues I've had on steam were solved within a few hours. The issues I've had on other digital video game stores took days to get solved, if they ever got solved.

yes you can save money*

*that you can only spend in EGS, meaning more revenue us and sunk cost fallacy for you

solved within a few hours

You're lying.

fights for the consumer

No he doesn't, mother fucker admitted that literal years ago too.

Fat jew also popularized lootboxes and been profiting from all the gambling around CS/TF2 and Steam marketplace

Not him, but as far as issues I've had on Steam, Ty 2 not booting on Linux, they gave me a refund in less than an hour. Also they emailed me that disabling the antialiasing method would potentially fix it crashing. Also it may have been fixed altogether, I haven't checked lately

PC is not iphone, you can still get your programs somewhere else. If the 30% cut is too much, simply don't use steam. Notch did it, factorio did it, starsector, vintage story, tarkov, VotV are all currently doing it

You aren't exactly showing receipts for your shit either you know.

20% cheaper

That's not how that works you fucking retard. You're still paying the same price, you're just getting 20% of what you paid as credit towards shit like Fortnite skins.
I mean I can see how that's appealing to fucking underage homos like you who want to be le epic star wars man doing the funny floss dance in Shartnite with the exclusive Rick & Morty Pickle Rick umbrella but to people who don't care about that shit, it's meaningless.

No, but I bet you're lying about your issues considering how quickly you start projecting.

Steam holds the entire platform hostage

And don't forget most of that gambling is over items Valve didn't even make so not only did Valve bring about gambling in video games but they also brought about paid mods and then they combined them together.

He may have a point when EGS can feature match Steam at lower cut.

I'm sure Timmy will just sue Valve and force them to host Epic's stuff with a 0% cut.

Have one of the biggest games in the world exclusive to their platform

Given out hundreds of free games

Doing sales with deep discounts

Everyone either doesn't care at all, or are actively avoiding their platform

How does one man manage to fuck up a store this badly?

Even worse, they started the whole battle pass cancer that has infected every multiplayer game.

Mr. Swiney can do no wrong. Truly the master of store management.

Owned by Tencent.

Endless inferiority complex that makes Timmy think he has to do the exact opposite of everyone more successful than him.

had Hitman and shitenix games exclusive on his store for years

Nah fuck him.

Trying to bring exclusivity cancer to pc

UE Marketplace was perfectly fine

Fab is so shit it makes EGS look like Steam

Seriously how are they so fucking bad at selling things to consumers?

If the 30% Valve tax matters that much why are the games still 70 dollars in your platform Timmy? How does that shit affects me as a consumer?

i don't want another launcher. the only thing that could make me switch to EGS is if steam really screwed up in a way that makes me abandon the platform.

All these supposedly "good things" don't really matter if you make it really obvious that you're an evil shitass and fuck up the places people who actually care about vidya discuss stuff

loyalty program

Sometimes Steam gives you discount coupons of other games when you buy games.

Nobody wants A STORE, it's just a place I can pay money, that's not a feature, that's a detriment. There's more than enough of thst shit already
steam is a popular PLATFORM, with a store component in it

I will never use your shitty launcher

I wouldn't say that UE Marketplace did not have issues (Surfing the MarketPlace on Launcher was less reliable than just looking up items on Browser). But the matter still stands that the "BRAND NEW super unified platform" is shitting the carpet with furious intent.

If gamers embraced EGS, everyone's in for a treat of having a store that phases out multiple times to shit out a new broken version.

Learn to read steamjeets, you can use that to buy games so you still save 20% while Newellberg can't threaten developers over price parity.

but every step above the ladder for investment into games the deal gets worse and worse

Not an issue since Valve's cut becomes 25/20% once you hit certain thresholds.

limited time offer

That doesn't mean games are 20% cheaper on Epic, retard. That's means you earn 20% back of what you pay as "Epic rewards". So basically say you get a game on Epic that's $70. It doesn't mean you get 20% off the game. You still have to pay $70 but you get $14 worth of credit towards microtransactions for shit like Rocket League and Fortnite. Don't play Fortnite and Rocket League? Fuck you, you're shit out of luck and stuck with useless credit you can't even user to wipe your ass.

Redeem

I fucking knew epic was developed by jeets

Have one of the biggest games in the world exclusive to their platform

I don't play multiplayer games.

Given out hundreds of free games

Games i either already own or don't want.

Doing sales with deep discounts

Don't care. I regularly buy full price games and i wouldn't mind dropping $200 on a game that i really want.

Everyone either doesn't care at all, or are actively avoiding their platform

If Dead Island 2 had been a singleplayer third person game with a character creator i would have bought it on EGS day1. If Saints Row reboot had been a good game i would have bought it on EGS day1. If Pheonix Point had been an actual XCOM killer i would have bought it on EGS day1. If Witchfire had a character creator and third person combat i would have bought it on EGS day1. If EGS had a singleplayer modern military third person shooter like the last two Ghost Recon games i would buy it on day1.

If Timmy Tencent could get some of the games mentioned above i would have EGS installed. But he doesn't, so i don't.

I never ask him to fight for me since i never play any epic games lole.

This anon gets it.

Huh? Since when? I've bought a lot of games on Steam and never had that.

I also never heard about that. The only closest thing I can think of is getting a discount on a pack that includes stuff you already own

We hate you because you are an insufferable poser with a saviour complex Tim now fuck off.

it can be used on purchasing games you retarded pajeet, stop parroting shit you read on reddit

EGS has no Linux support. Games that have Linux versions everywhere else do not support Linux on EGS.

What if game publishers....like....sold their games directly to people so there was no store cut?

gog has paid shills

Timmyjeet falseflag to make the opposition look unreasonable.
Gog barely breaks even so I doubt allocating money to shill on a board that responds to the mere mention of the platform with "ALL THE GAMES ON GOG ARE FREE" with direct links to gog-games is sustainable.

Will I get cheaper games?

No

Will I get a better storefront?

No

What about a forum, discussion board, modding assistance?

Nope

Can I at least get Dwarf Fortress on your store?

You may not, what about Fortnite?

I don't like Fortnite, I want Dwarf Fortress

WHY ARE YOU A STEAMIE, WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT!

Nah, fuck off they were around when GOG pulled an epic and bought exclusivity to Croc and have been around for over a year at this point trying to distract people about their shit service by making constant spam threads about how in two weeks gabe's going to eat 1 too many burgers and explode and it'll go public and you'll have to buy the VALVE TM BALL CIRCUMFERENCE MEASURER and submit testicular diameter every hour to retain access to your games

what's his stance on creative freedom and financial censorship

Timmyjeet tribalist attempting to sound like anything else

people want all their things in 1 place. steam is where people bought all their games in the past so that's where they want all their games, they don't want their games on 4 or 5 other platforms even if they're free or $1 like with gamepass. people will pay $70 on steam rather than pay $1 to play it on gamepass.

Because hes blatantly profiteering.
He OBVIOUSLY doesnt really give a shit about any of that, but only so far as it affects HIS PROFITS. Thats all he actually cares about and all of this is just performative pandering to social media mobs.

Honestly I think Tim Sweeney is a bad person and his greed is both repulsive and blatantly obvious.

NFT and cryptoscams are A-OK! None of that porn shit with underage anime girls who claim to be in their 20s.