Is it overrated or overhated?

Its major flaw is pretty mundane quest writing. The actual gameplay/exploration/systems are really fun.
Imagine if the game had great writing, it would literally be the best thing ever made by mankind.

Don't let my fetishes distract you form the fact the game is really shallow and boring

Is it overrated or overhated?

Skyrim is the greatest game ever made! It has revolutionized the gaming industry and changed my life forever. The graphics are breathtaking, the gameplay is unparalleled, and the story is so deep and meaningful that I can barely put it into words

both. it's not the masterpiece than fans think it is, but it's not as irredeemable as its detractors think. it's a game that inspires really extreme reactions in both directions, but in reality is somewhere in the middle.
it's deeply flawed as an RPG, but still offers a sense of scale and immersion that very few, if any other games provide. people who really value deep RPG mechanics tend to dismiss the latter aspect, and people who just want to get immersed tend to dismiss the very legitimate criticisms of its systems.

Not hated enough. This is a game that hates its predecessors, strips down core mechanics that made these games great, and it only thrived because it has the most dedicated modding community in gaming.

its really not that bad

definitely overrated since it's worse than both oblivion and morrowind

Both. It's 2 ends of a spectrum.

The “modern” Elder Scrolls game of Morrowind and beyond is such a winning formula that even a mediocre one is still really fun.
Skyrim took out a lot of the best features in previous games, the writing is generally sub-par, it’s riddled with bugs and flaws… but there are STILL so few games like it. It may be a somewhat paltry world compared to previous entries, but it still feels like a world. And it’s still engaging to say “I’m gonna go climb that mountain.”
And then you do, and it’s just another draugr ruin on top.
It’s a great game and a terrible game at the same time.

Why do you retards always forget that it sold millions of copies on console? Literally on the fucking xbox 360 and ps3. Most people that have played this game have never even touched a mod.

overhated.

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Skyrim is the definition of overrated slop
Only thing it has going for itself is the presentation, every single gameplay or story related mechanic is absolute garbage and downgrade from older tes games. Nobody should ever play this fucking trash game, and that is a fact. If you like skyrim you are absolutely retarded.

It's one of those games that was so heavily fellated on release relative to its actual quality (which was decent but not great) that it's gotten stuck in this perpetual actually-it's-shit actually-it-was-always-good pendulum.
Bethesda really is profoundly lucky that every western AAA open world developer has scrambled to copy the Ubisoft/Rockstar style rather than their style, because any sort of serious competition would expose what a mediocre job they do with such a great basic formula.

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Skyrim is more dumbed down than Oblivion. Even the remaster isn't as dumbed down as Skyrim.

You do not even have attributes in Skyrim outside of health, Magicka, and stamina. Starsigns were fucking useless most of the time outside of leveling. Spell creation was outright removed.

Oblivion was a step down from Morrowind and Morrowind was a step down from Daggerfall.

I think that's why I like skyrim so much, because I'm perfectly fine with a garbage story as long the gameplay is fun

Counterpoint: Oblivion's dumbing down from Morrowind is far deeper than Skyrim's dumbing down of Oblivion

The deleleving of the world, quest markers, fast travel, simplified dialogue system, removal of dice roll combat, joining every faction, essential NPCs, are all changes so deep they fundamentally changed TES gameplay far more than any attribute Skyrim removed. You can add back classes for Skyrim but you cannot change how the world is constructed based on the changes Oblivion introduced.

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I never really liked the dice roll combat, even back then

I played a shit ton of skyrim and what kept me going was the lore of the world itself. I refuse to believe that the same
dude who conjured up the lore and world in the franchises inception, is the same dude who wrote oblivion and skyrim.
because oblivion too, has an utterly shit quest story yet the world lore is top notch.

Barely counts as an RPG game if we're being generous and pretty bad action adventure game since melee combat just boils down to spamming heavy attacks with a 1 stamina point enchantment while magic combat is relegated to buffs due to destruction magic being underwhelming.
Really good porn game when modded at least, only reason to ever revisit the game.

it's a RPG because you get to ROLE PLAY in a role playing game and not because of the arbitrary combat that other RPGs follow.

Skyrim is by far the best RPG and quest based game ever made, possibly the best open world game ever.

The only legitimate flaw Skyrim has is the combat, other than that it's an extremely enjoyable game. You can complain about random autistic shit that makes other RPGs more "RPGy" but Skyrim has it all.

Do you guys like my character?

the story and quest have some dull writing as well. not to say there arent some cool quests, I really liked the dark brotherhood, but as a whole its shit.

Nah, I would say Skyrim has an abundance of creative quests compared to similar games.

Can you name like 5 quests from Skyrim you'd consider creative?

Bethesda really is profoundly lucky that every western AAA open world developer has scrambled to copy the Ubisoft/Rockstar style rather than their style

I disagree, there's no luck involved. The reason devs didn't go for it is that the bethesda formula is 95% creativity and visual storytelling skills, so it only work if you have genuinely talented writing and design personnel. Which incidentally is why bethesda got progressively worse at applying its own formula as the og employees left the company.

Theres no stat leveling, you just only acquire PERKS that dictate whether or not you actually improve what you do. Compared to oblivion and morrowind, the stats in skyrim just exist to lock out perks. You dont incrimentaly get better at swinging maces, swords, or casting fireballs, you just suddenly do more damage because u finally unlocked that one perk.
Theres no strength, agility, intelligence, luck, endurance but just health, stamina, magicka.
So its a watered down RPG but also bare bones combat so its in limbo on what it wants to be

I assume the resemblance is deliberate? Great job if so.

Neither

It's the best RPG ever made by western man.

Definitely true, this is why Starfield is a way better game because they took conscious effort into adding a lot of RPG elements back to their game.

underrated

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same for fallout tree and new pegas

You dont incrimentaly get better at swinging maces, swords, or casting fireballs, you just suddenly do more damage because u finally unlocked that one perk.

You fucking retard, you get more damage for every point of weapon skill, more armor for every point of armor skill, more magnitude for every point of crafting skill, etc.

Overhated. It’s easily one of the best games ever made and it’s hilarious that people refuse to admit it. Just think, the game is 14 years old and is still talked about here every single day across 10+ threads, what does that tell you

Yes, Oblivion was a bigger step down than Skyrim was.

Morrowind was more complex, however, a lot of the "pluses" people have about it were pretty fucking terrible that didn't add to immersion but were just tedious bullshit. I loved Morrowind but it has been romanticized to hell and back by people who think inconvenience is a feature and not flaw.

Which doesnt matter because of the enemies scaling to your level so its moot until you get the perks that give u 20% increase instantly. Magic is probably the only useful one to increase because of the magicka reduction but that gets made obsolete from enchantments.

Meant to add this is specifically for combat related skills

Crafting skills are the best to increase because they're the only ones that can outpace enemies actually.
Without mods magic caps extremely early and you end up grinding down impact stunlocked enemies with spells that hurt less than cigarette butts.

but Fortify Destruction potions

I'm not building a character around consumables you have to go out of your way to get.

"It just works"
Well as it turns out it really does just work, and not a single other studio has ever come close to replicating it and especially not on hardware from 2006. It looked and played better than Oblivion (I love the saturated colors too but those character models are ass) and DLC's were decent in their own right. Only reason to hate on Skyrim is because it set the bar so insanely high Bethesda hasn't managed to put out another TES game in close to 15 years, which is pretty sad considering Morrowind to Oblivion was 4 years and Oblivion to Skyrim was 5.

Both.
Skyrim for what it is, is a good game. The combat is fun, exploring the dungeons is fun, the art style is good enough, and it has great immersive qualities like Morrowind and Oblivion. People that hate on the game refuse to see this, I'm also sure they never played Arena, which is about as bare bones as it gets. As long as a TES game is better than Arena, then it's a good.
However, you'd think that it would be better than Oblivion, and yet it isn't. In some ways, it's worse, especially in the quests, which is important to an RPG. Everything in Skyrim just feels kinda limp, and so it's rightfully hated.

The people that claim to hate it don't. They are just being contrarian.

That or they are old and played an earlier TES game first and are attached to that one. They are pretty jealous of how beloved Skyrim is.

To be fair its predecessors sucked balls. They got progressively better but they ranged from awful to serviceable.

I remember playing oblivion quite Abit and it was really fun, and when Skyrim came out it looked like shit, still looks like shit imo. Kinda amazed at how it blew up and an entire generation grew up thinking it's standart

Honestly I think Skyrim has the best dungeons in the series. Almost every one has some background lore, a quest, unique gimmick, and unique layout with hand placed stuff. Skyrim is probably the best game in the series when it comes to environmental detail and has a grounded feeling which is why I think roleplay mods and survival mode are so popular.

In Skyrim npcs have unique interactions with each other related to personal stuff about themselves, the city, or other npcs, and actually seem to know who they are and where they are. Like a character will know Nazeem, or the jarl, or tell you about their husband or missing son. Walking into every city has some unique event that gives you the flavor of the city and local happenings.

Oblivion characters sometimes will tell you something about themselves or something else but often times it's generic and they feel like they might as well be ubisoft crowd npcs.

Skyrim mechanically has the least depth but does excel in the things I mentioned.

Skyrims really fun when you don't got an n'wah in your ear saying it sucks

Yeah its why i barely noticed skills improving because smithing and enchanting were the only things to kick builds over the edge to outpace level scaling. Like i still have to wack a draugr in a dungeon 8 times with ebony sword but once i got smithing and alchemy stuff up, i cut em down in 2-3 hits barring deathlords

Honestly I think Skyrim has the best dungeons in the series.

I mean, what's its competition?

Other games in the series? I wasn't making a comparison to games not in the franchise if that's what you think.

My problem with skyrim is its a bit hard to get immersed as another race that isn't a nord. I was playing an orc doing side stuff and having fun recently but once I got to the main quest and became dragonborn I felt like it wasn't right. That's just me being an autismo tho

I meant that as in Oblivion's dungeons are utter boring crap and very obviously procedurally generated, Morrowind has about two substantial dungeons in the whole game and two hundred tiny two-room ancestral tombs, and Daggerfall I haven't actually played but my understanding is that its dungeons are also obviously procedurally generated. Skyrim just obviously wins by default.

Thats me with every game in the series. I'm too autistic to not be a Dark Elf Nerevarine. In oblivion I can only be a Breton or an Imperial. In skyrim I have to be a Nord or a Breton. But by God I will be an oil drilling Breton knight in Hammerfell.

Yes, my point was that Skyrim did a better job than the others not that they are fucking amazing, but at the end of the day I have a better time with Skyrim dungeons than Oblivion and Morrowind's because they at least tried for once.

your guy in oblivion is so powerful he can 1 v everyone the forces of hell and run at the speed of car and jump like an astronaut so i believe it. your guy in skyrim can barely jump and is grounded to floor all the time. How can this nigga beat dragons? how is he more powerful than oblivinigger? where's the power scaling?

It's just lore scaling. Skyrim is worse in power presentation. Alduin theoretically stomps everything in Oblivion but obviously doesn't seem like he would.

Both

I started to play it recently, and just don't see the appeal outside the map design: vikings, mountains, etc. I have to force myself to play it for more than one hour.
Did you guys go insane because you can kill mobs in dungeons?