Apologise

Move and shoot force you to be good at aiming. Stand and fight is made for the geriatric boomers who can't even aim along the vertical axis

It doesn't though. And since when does a game's appearance somehow make a game bad?
Want to go tell the dev of undertale? I'm sure they'll try their best to hear you from all the sounds of the millions they made from that despite it looking like something they designed using MS Paint.

You don't like this game? Then you have to be this strawman I've built up in my head.

lol
They watched one (1) guy do cool weapon swapping in 2016 and thought to build an entire game around that

What does this have to do with what OP said?

The cool weapon swapping guy hates Eternal as well, the irony kek

How is it a strawman when you knew exactly what I said and why I said it?
Also how can you even declare strawman when you're shitting on a game you never even played?

So? Why should anyone care? If you like something that's all that should matter. Unless you're some sort of sheeple?

Reminder that DOOM is and has always been a left-wing franchise.
If you believe anything else you're just media illiterate

no mod to replace demons with vtubers

Ask again later.

OP referenced the dark ages gameplay reveal by telling retards like you to apologize. Sorry that you're too autistic to read context

You kill demons as a soldier.
That's like the opposite of leftwing.

Because I'm not any of those things you're whining about and I did play and beat Eternal.

FPBP

The OP image is of Eternal though. He said nothing about Dark Ages.

I hate this game so much I guess I'll beat it!

Uh huh, right.

why did he tell you morons like you to apologize? Lets see if you can piece this together, downy

Oh shit it's my favorite Anon Babble fallacy!
Concession accepted Etroonal cocksucker

Name an FPS game with better level design, intensity, combat and verticality than Eternal. You can’t.

Because when Eternal came out people were bashing it for not..
1) Not being classic Doom
2) Not taking itself seriously like 2016
3) Having platforming

Eternal was bashed into oblivion on this board when it was out. There has been plenty of threads who use that term all the time on here. You must be new or something to not piece together the fact people use that word along the lines of "Now the dust has settled..." line.
The fact you're even in this thread to "discuss" isn't true either. If you disliked it so much you wouldn't be here for any reason what so ever.
You're here because you think you can convince someone like myself to suddenly dislike it because you don't like it.
That's not going to happen. Spoilers I guess.

How is it a fallacy? Most rational people don't keep doing something they don't like doing or enjoying if it's optional.
Are you so autistic you are compulsed to go through things you don't want to? Were you paid to finish? Was a gun at your head?

Op did not talk about doom1/2 or 2016 but nice projection. If only there were some recent revelation in changes to gameplay for the series...

You completely missed my point. I'm not shocked since you focused on the first half of what i said but not the second.
The entire point of you being here in this "discussion" has no real intention. You're here to just argue and be obnoxious.
You'll never convince anyone to disliking something just because you disliked it. There's no real point of you even trying. You're just another zoomer whack job of "stop liking what I don't like" shtick.

It's a common trap.
You assumed I didn't play it, but I did. If I quit before finishing it your post would be about how I can't judge it if I didn't complete it but since I did now you're using the argument of why didn't I quit if it I didn't like it. It's been done a million times here.
You would then try to use a food analogy saying why would you keep eating a steak you don't like next if I didn't post this.
You lost.

game that got co-opted by trannies

There's nothing to lose, as I said here You're here for absolutely no reason but to be insufferable. If you disliked something, my words nor anyone else will convince you to enjoy it.
If I enjoyed it, you can't convince me to dislike it.
You're entire purpose here is to just argue over time wasting entertainment.
Grow up.

Not taking itself seriously like 2016

2016 doesn't take itself seriously. It's just dry humor. Which works way better than what's in Eternal

I enjoyed both for their own reasons. So i don't care what you think about it. We're not friends, you're absolutely nobody to me.

You're entire purpose here is to just argue over time wasting entertainment.

Where do you think you are? And non of my posts bashed you for liking eternal. You're the one melting down because I just said 'No'. Two letters and a period made you spiral to this.

I'm in a internet autistic hive. I know exactly where I am.
If I'm wrong about your purpose here, by all means, why are you here exactly?

Dark Ages is what you get when you listen to shitters and redditors.

the games not dark enough

glory kills are bad

platforming is too hard

there are too many weapons

fast weapon swapping is bad

there is too much utility

there aren't enough enemies on the screen

the levels aren't open enough

It's so fucking over. Dark Ages is going to usher in an age of trashy console FPS.

level design

Absolutely wrong

mobs

Eh, kinda. Not as iconic as Doom's but still unique in that each one serves a purpose. Kinda like Quake 1.

I was just going to say my no and fuck off, (you) came out swinging with bad faith and bad arguments

its gonna be 2004 to 2016 all over again

What are you even babbling about?

copying shooters that are over 20 years old

Lmao

Reading comprehension isn't your forte.

No one stopped you from leaving, manchild.
Grow up. You knew damn well you were waiting to see if anyone would reply to you. Don't sit here like you can't move your fat hand to your mose and close the tab.

What is my forte is knowing how much of a drama queen you're being.
"usher in an age"? It's just shooting shit, that's never changed.

Absolutely wrong

No he is right
Ultrakill levels are mostly ass. Gluttony, heresy and violence are good tho

Aw shit more ad hominem! Keep lashing out in anger and frustration from getting BTFO

It's just shooting shit, that's never changed.

You can't read and you have brain damage. Got it.

Eternalnogs are going to feel the same way about Dark Ages that 2016chads did about Eternal and I will laugh

BTFO

By what? You haven't said anything besides "i was going to leave but..."
So just leave you fat fuck.

You're here to just argue and be obnoxious

says the retard who brought up doom1/2 and 2016 unprompted LMAOOOO the lack of self awareness is also a symptom of autism

Except Eternal was a mastery of 2016's formula while Dark Ages stripped everything back.

I'm not understanding how they're somehow different than Eternal's. From an aesthetic POV I understand, from a functional POV I'd say they're better. Secret finding was more enjoyable in UK.

Apparently you can't read what I'm saying.
Do you think DOOM dark ages isn't shooting?

sprint button in dark ages

turret and vehicle sections

brown and piss

It's dogshit 7th gen all over again isn't it?

Ugh they must be fat

they have to be a loser

This is all I have left

Sad.

Still has absolutely zero reading comprehension.

I'll be crystal clear: Do you think all FPS is the exactly the same because there is shooting?

I didn't need a prompt to bring up since I was saying what others have said back when Eternal came out. Learn to read!!! Fucking hell dude.

Dark Ages stripped everything back.

And you know this how exactly? It's not even out. You're a drama queen.

cry more bitchbaby
libs make art, who knew

Is that why the satanic cult is globohomo coded?

They refer to the demons as "mortally-challenged", because "demon" is considered derogatory

Their entire approach to the demon invasion of Earth could easily be construed as a metaphor for "REFUGEES WELCOME"

They literally say "Earth is the melting pot of the universe", which is always the go-to for anti-American leftists who want infinite third-worlders (as long as the filthy browns don't come to their neighborhood, of course)

Secret finding was more enjoyable in UK.

How so. You have like 1 useless collectable to find in UK and alt weapons I guess while Eternal has 3 useless collectables and slayer gates with "secret" encounters

And you know this how exactly?

I said exactly how here

Still hasn't left

Says he was going to

Doesn't

Has now gone on defense mode because his internet feelings got hurt.

Wow you're a loser.

Eternal made 2016’s formula restricted and forced. It removed the freedom.

2016

freedom

90% of your arsenal is useless crap

game pigeonholes you into using only ssg and gaus rifle

???

I want to go to a GDC, find the guy who came up with the idea for Buff Totems, and kick him in the balls

Who thought making things even more frantic and clusterfucky was a good idea? Were they just sitting at their desks snorting lines the whole time during development?

You haven't played Dark Ages though.

Well considering the genre is FPS which is First Person Shooter, and those games within that genre must have the requirement of...
Fist person view
Shooting
Then within that criteria, yeah, they'd have to be similiar in that aspect because if they were not, they'd be something else.
Your move you obnoxious hyper intellect wannabe.

UK has secret levels

UK has aforementioned weapons

UK has secret bosses

UK has better references. The Lighthouse was pretty clever

I don't think you get to talk about hurt feelings when you sperged out a post that just said no.

that guy is an autist who is not up to date on dark ages gameplay reveal loool he's still on doom 1 like its 93

Never hated it, didn't delude myself it would flop like this shithole, so no need

You can make literally any piece of media look stupid like that. I'm actually embarrassed for you, that you went through the trouble of typing all that out, thinking you were onto some clever shit.

Still replying

No, by all means, keep making my point correct.
Anyone who doesn't have anger issues would have been smart enough and just left or pretend they did by now. You're achieving nothing by replying to me.

UK has better references

youtubefags and troons

Yikes

Okay, so obviously you people should not be on a text based format website. Apparently the majority of you have the reading skill of the average black.

I'm having more fun messing with you than I did with Eternal

You forgot curry

There's a very understandable reason to dumbing down games.
youtube.com/watch?v=KZBD6VQUte4
Never forget this leaked video of a reviewer playing the game. And remember these are the people who decide whether a game succeeds or not.

level design

Eternal had level design?

Weird way of admitting you're a loser with no real hobbies or friends.
I mean I already assumed that, so it's nice to get the confirmation I was right.

its everyone else but me

hahahahahah you sure are special just like mommy said you are

It's so fucking funny the way eternaltards treat it like it dribbled out of god's own dick and cannot BEAR to hear anyone say anything bad about it

You would know if you actually played it.

bad

bwaaa i can't punch a zombie to death in a fps game

Gotcha

I'm not wrong though, you people have the reading skills of a black.

Anyone seeing this?
The catalog is stuck

its so incredibly right wing im surprised doom didnt get cancelled lol

its a relative comparison but don't let that hold you back from graduating 5th grade

more ad hominem

The sheer seethe because I won't apologize to Eternal.

It removed the freedom.

If freedom is being able to ignore 90% of your toolkit then freedom is bad game desigin. Having optimal solutions to problems makes the game more rewarding.

You haven't played Dark Ages though.

Your inability to refute what I've said speaks volumes.

Your move you obnoxious hyper intellect wannabe.

If your position is that every FPS is the same purely because feature shooting, then there's no hope for you. You have actual brain damage. I gave you a chance to correct yourself in case you mispoke, instead you doubled down.
I cannot imagine being so retarded as to think Halo, Goldeneye, and Doom Eternal are the same.

No it's not.

Hallway-arena-shitty platforming section repeat is not good level design.

weren't people mad about that mortally challenged line?

Stating facts is not ad hominem. You proved I was right. So it's facts.

Shitters should be banned from playing video games.

be careful thinking about niggers, might develop an obsession with that autism of yours

It's so pathetic too. This game is quite literally everything that Anon Babble cried for after they got filtered by Eternal

But it is level design. By your argument Resident Evil 1, 2 and 3 is bad level design.

Only the left was, like they're offended by everything else.

If freedom is being able to ignore 90% of your toolkit

This can apply for all sorts of games. It's freedo m of CHOICE to use things.

Having optimal solutions to problems makes the game more rewarding.

I feel like that's a step into philosophy more than gaming.

Your inability to refute what I've said speaks volumes.

You mean like how you not admitting you're talking about something that isn't even out and you have yet to even play it?

I cannot imagine being so retarded as to think Halo, Goldeneye, and Doom Eternal are the same.

All three are in first person.
All three are shooters.
2 of those took inspiration from DOOM
In the words of a once wise developer until he went too insane.
Suck on my dick
Choke on it.

Doom Eternal is tranny speedrun garbage for adhd-addled multi-monitor zoomers, at the end of the day.

Wouldn't have to think about them if my kind didn't insist on acting like them.

might develop an obsession with that autism of yours

Ah, speaking from experience I see.

Resident Evil 1, 2 and 3

Hallway-arena

All you've done is attack me and use poor arguments.

You're just a boomer who likes WADs

You're fat

You're a loser

You have no friends

All accusatory with no facts to back it up. Not looking good for Eternal fans if you throw a temper tantrum from seeing a simple No.

Is that what you call mocking faggots who have been crying for five years straight because a game didn't tortanic like they wanted?

Post your nightmare completion screenshot.

This can apply for all sorts of games. It's freedo m of CHOICE to use things.

Yeah, and those games have shit combat because the solution to every problem is exactly the same.

I feel like that's a step into philosophy more than gaming.

Maybe? Does that mean its not true?

You mean like how you not admitting you're talking about something that isn't even out and you have yet to even play it?

Your inability to refute what I've said speaks volumes. Keep dodging though, it only speaks more to how correct I am.

Choke on it.

I have you beat. You're upset because you know what you're saying is retarded. To think all FPS is the same shows how brain damaged you are. You demonstrated that with your lack of reading comprehension already.

KEEEK still projecting huh you're the one bringing them up 3 posts in a row. Its too late for you

No facts to back them up

Actually yeah, I can.
You said you were going to leave.
You didn't. You lied. You were waiting to see replies and felt the "need" to stay to "teach me a lesson".
You have no other plans. no goals for today, no one to socialize with or anything else but to sit on your ass anyways.

two redditors flinging shit at each other continuously for hours

How boring

It's not projecting if I'm stating facts.

you really need to get out of 5th grade. No one said it was good. It was a comparison to Ultrakill LMAO

my opinions!!!

I don't care about your opinions. I liked 2016, liked Eternal, Going to play Dark Ages.
And there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
You lost before you even began. Your opinions have no power over me. You whack job.

damn you finally dropped the Anon Babble persona after getting called out huh LOL

I'm not stating opinions, I'm stating facts. Your inability to engage with anything I've said, and constant dodging tells me I have you beat. I accept your concession.

Called out about what?
Black people are not very well educated.
I said nothing wrong. You're just offended becasue you're either are one or because you don't want me insulting your girlfriend's boyfriend. Which is it?

Damn son that's even more baseless bullshit. But here you are as well. Guess you're a fat loser friendless no lifer.

Okay, if you don't know the difference between opinions and facts. Maybe it's you who needs to tone down the intellect wannabe act.

The dev that made this went fully tranny about 6 months later btw

Guess you're a fat loser friendless no lifer.

By choice

You can't refute anything I've said, therefore, I spoke facts. You lost.

The first four levels are such a fucking slog to get through.

I lost nothing, you're saying things based on video footage of a game not even out.
Why would I care?
What's the goal here?
You think I'm suddenly going to stop wanting to play something because of your obnoxious ass?

speaking from experience huh? WOOOW the racism makes sense now ok

god i just LOVE SLOP so SO fucking much

Okay? Good for you.

no one on this board is actually right wing irl retard they just hate the majority opinion because they grew up social outcast

Exactly, good for me.
You can't convince ANYONE to stop liking things they like. Your crusade is pointless.

no one on this board is actually right wing irl

Huh?

I lost nothing

You lost the argument. And you keep responding for some reason. Take the L and move on.

JUST LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS CHUDDY

no

You do realize you don't have a say or any power to stop them.
Your entire point of being here is utterly pointless.

So it was projection all along

Argument? You seem confused.
If this was an arguement, what, am i suddenly disliking Eternal? Is that what you think?

Doom Eternal sucks huge nuts and you're a retard and I'm free to sit here and shout that at the top of my lungs until you realize you're a retard

I'm not the one who said they were leaving.
You were. You're a liar.

You failed to understand my post.
You said all FPS's are the same.
You failed to refute anything I've said.
You said I only posted opinions, but you can't refute them ,making them facts.

You seem confused.

You have no reading comprehension. You have no memory. You don't understand how FPS's can differentiate. You lost the meta argument.
Move on.

mobs are inferior

no way, not in the lategame
theyre so much more interactive and enemy placements/arenas are memorable. final arena or 1-E is a perfect example (most of 1-e in general)
Same for levels

and shout that at the top of my lungs

Ah, so the democrat approach to try and peer pressure people into submission by acting like a lunatic.
Imagine my shock.

You said all FPS's are the same.

Ah interesting
Where did I say this?

If I were dumb enough to be a directionbrained retard like you, I might actually like Eternal desu

NTA but I never once in my life said to myself "I sure loved that enemy placement"

I'll be crystal clear: Do you think all FPS is the exactly the same because there is shooting?

Well considering the genre is FPS which is First Person Shooter, and those games within that genre >must have the requirement of...

Fist person view

Shooting

I said I was until you started shit, and you keep replying. Do you just want someone to talk to? Wanna play some games or something?

Yeah probably because youre playing boring unmemorable stuff where enemies are sprinkled around lazily around the arena, not using an idoled hideous mass to take cover from 4 sentries shooting at you in opposite corners of the room

There might be pills to help with your obvious mental illness.

i see you're having problems with my question.
WHERE did I say they were the same? I said requirements to be FPS, never said anything about them being similiar beyond that.
You're not very quick are you?

No, pretty sure I don't play games to fill my desire to kill people.
I play games to beat them.

WHERE did I say they were the same?

I asked you

Do you think all FPS is the exactly the same because there is shooting?

Your response was:

Well considering the genre is FPS which is First Person Shooter, and those games within that genre must have the requirement of...

Fist person view

Shooting

Then within that criteria, yeah, they'd have to be similiar in that aspect because if they were not, they'd be something else.

Reminder: You have zero reading comprehension. We already discovered that here:

they'd have to be similiar in that aspect because if they were not, they'd be something else.

So this was wrong to you?

We've already established you can't read. But read my question again. Explain to me what you think it means.

Well see the problem here is, you won't answer me
Second problem is you made assumptions I've never said.
Third you apparently can't read because " similiar in that aspect" does not translate to what you're accusing me of saying.
You're not as smart as you think you are.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

Replies with an image

Well, looks like I won that round. If this was an argument of course...

Well see the problem here is, you won't answer me

You haven't been able to disprove my analysis on The Dark Ages.

Second problem is you made assumptions I've never said.

I haven't made any assumptions. I asked you:

Do you think all FPS is the exactly the same because there is shooting?

Your response was:

Well considering the genre is FPS which is First Person Shooter, and those games within that genre must have the requirement of...

Fist person view

Shooting

Then within that criteria, yeah

Third you apparently can't read because " similiar in that aspect" does not translate to what you're accusing me of saying.

The third point is the same as the second. Did you seriously just forget what you accused me of a sentence ago? You're so rattled.

Fast weapon switching is bad. It promotes ADHD combos where you switch instantly after firing half of your guns, while completely ignoring the other half because there's no reason to use an automatic weapon.

god i was really hoping this site would stay dead i forgot how much i hate you faggots

Just say "I'm bad", it makes things so much easier.

You haven't been able to disprove my analysis on The Dark Ages.

There's nothing to disprove. I like it, you don't. Boo hoo.

I haven't made any assumptions. I asked you:

Right, and I said "within that criteria". YOU twisted my words and claimed I said they played similiar. I never said that.

You're so rattled.

Because I can't punch you.

Spergswitching was the absolute worst trannycore thing from 2016 for them to lean into

platform arena platform arena cutscene arena end level

It promotes ADHD combos

And the problem is what exactly?
It's shooting. You ever shot guns before? Why wouldn't you want to quickly shoot your weapon?
Dude, you're a whiny bitch. Why the fuck would I want to take 5 minutes loading a musket?

Juggling your rocket, railgun, and SSG after every shot is not difficult in the slightest. And it's the reason why the max ammo cap is so low, because there's no longer any downside to using those weapons. Meanwhile, the rifle and chaingun literally only see use because they have broken secondary fires.

Anon there's a time and place to mention Crash Bandicoot, I don't think this is the thread for that.

It's boring. You end up fighting every single enemy in the exact same way because you're able to shit out large amounts of burst damage effortlessly.

Okay so don't switch things quickly? It's optional.
What a weird thing to cry about. You're a fucking weirdo.
it's not supposed to be realistic. Go to a firing range irl if you want realism.

There's nothing to disprove. I like it, you don't. Boo hoo.

Your reading comprehension and memory is so bad. This () is the post that triggered you. Even though you failed to understand it.

YOU twisted my words and claimed I said they played similiar. I never said that.

I asked you a very specific question.

I asked: ()

Do you think all FPS is the exactly the same because there is shooting?

Your response was ():

Well considering the genre is FPS which is First Person Shooter, and those games within that genre must have the requirement of...

Fist person view

Shooting

Then within that criteria, yeah

Again, I'll be crystal clear. I asked you if all FPS is the same because there is shooting, and you responded "yes".

Every single conversation about Doom Eternal with one of its slavishly devoted cultists follows the same script, to the letter.

So then don't do it. It's optional you huge crybaby.
Crank up the difficulty.
Play a different game.
Holy shit you're a crybaby.

Ahhh, the unironically mentally ill game

Okay anon, you can hate on Dark Ages all you want.
I'm going to play it when it comes out.
You can sit here and cry about it until the next game isn't perfect to your standards.

It's optional.

Kinda, but there's no reason not to do it. Playing with a keyboard is optional too, but why would I not?
I said nothing about realism, retard. It's just bad design.

unironically mentally ill game

QRD? Dev drama?

Well if other people like myself don't foam at the mouth like you do. Clearly this isn't just your type of game. No point crying about it.

All I said was that it's a step down and explain why, then you had a melty over it because you couldn't disprove anything I said. Take the L and move on.

foam at the mouth

Nice projection.
Eternal is still fun, but it's not without flaws.

I disagree
So again, hate on it all you want. I think it looks amazing and I will be playing it when it comes out.

Not an argument. I accept your concession.

How are you guys still falling for this marketer faggot's act? Are you serious?

Ok? No game is perfect. So what?

five damn years of crying because tortanicfags were denied their fix

So I should be allowed to mention those flaws without some rabid fanboy seething at me for daring to criticize his darling.

I never said this was an argument.
I want to play it, you don't.
There's nothing further beyond that.
You'll never be able to convince me to not play it no matter how much writing you do.

pointless

no one should be allowed to say bad thing about MY game etc etc etc

tiresome

I never said this was an argument.

You made this into an argument by disagreeing with me, but failing to explain how I'm wrong. You lost. Take the L and move on.

If it's so pointless, why did you get so defensive to the point of samefagging? Why did you abandon your stances so quickly?

Anon, you could kill yourself right now and I wouldn't care.
Why would I care if you don't like Dark Ages or for me to try and convince you to like it?
I don't care if you don't play it. Your "points" mean nothing to me.

Why would I care if you don't like Dark Ages

You clearly do, because you're still replying.

all these woke ages faggots seething

FIGHT SLOW

I don't care if you don't play it. Your "points" mean nothing to me.

And yet here you are, 30 posts in still having a melty because I made some points on why Dark Ages looks to be based on shitters complaints about Eternal.
You're clearly buttblasted you have no retort. Keep barking, its only validating how right I am.

I'm replying to everyone here,you're not as special as you think you are.

Sick of seeing the cycle.

How is Dark Ages "woke"?

Keep barking, its only validating how right I am.

This is subjective material. You can't "be right" about opinions. Are you legit stupid?

More like fuckin. Dook Eturdal.

Your bad memory is showing again. Remember, they can't be opinions if you're incapable of refuting them. I stated facts.

they can't be opinions if you're incapable of refuting them

The fuck are you going on about?
I can like whatever the fuck I want to.

I like eating poop fuck the haters you CAN'T tell me what to do!!!

The fuck are you going on about? I can like whatever the fuck I want to.

Your bad reading comprehension is showing again. I never said you can't like it, I'll quote my post again:

You just said

they can't be opinions if you're incapable of refuting them.

My opinion is, I like what i've seen of Dark Ages.
Therefore, i want to play it. I'm excited for it.
You're claiming that opinion I just made is invalid because I'm not "proving" anything to you.
That's utterly ridiculous.

My opinion is, I like what i've seen of Dark Ages.

Nice attempt to pivot, but no, your opinion is that what I said was false. However, you're completely incapable of refuting it.

You're claiming that opinion I just made is invalid because I'm not "proving" anything to you.

You responded to me saying I was wrong while being incapable of refuting what I said.

You're such a squirmy little fucking worm you must be canadian

Nice attempt to pivot

pivot what? This entire conversation is about you not liking Dark Ages but I like what I've seen. Pay attention.

However, you're completely incapable of refuting it.

Okay, here's me refuting it: Your gripes are petty and I think it looks awesome. There, I did it. Woo hoo.

You responded to me saying I was wrong while being incapable of refuting what I said.

Because there's no point to. You're nitpicking. I don't care if you play it or not. You're judging something we've only seen very little footage of.

You're sick of anyone not praising your favorite game as absolutely flawless.

This entire conversation is about you not liking Dark Ages but I like what I've seen.

No, you replied to me disagreeing with what I said, but are incapable of refuting what I said.

Okay, here's me refuting it: Your gripes are petty and I think it looks awesome

Your inability to specifically address anything I said speaks volumes. Therefore, what I said is objectively true.

Because there's no point to. You're nitpicking.

Then why are you so asspained over what I said? You already said you wanted to punch me. I've rattled you so hard because what I said was truth, and it has upset you.

No game is flawless. Pointing out the things you didn't like in a circle jerk is pointless.

but are incapable of refuting what I said.

I just did and you refuse to acknowledge it.

Your inability to specifically address anything I said speaks volumes. Therefore, what I said is objectively true.

I'm not writing a fucking book.

Then why are you so asspained over what I said? You already said you wanted to punch me. I've rattled you so hard because what I said was truth, and it has upset you.

I'm still going to play the game anon. You can't stop me.

Pointing out the things you didn't like in a circle jerk is pointless.

I explained exactly why I did not like them, and your response was to directly attack me instead of addressing my points.

CRITICISM IS POINTLESS CHUDDY JUST SLURP THE SLOP WITH A SMILE

yawn

I just did and you refuse to acknowledge it.

You didn't address a single point I made. I'll repost the post here: >I'm not writing a fucking book.
And yet you've spent 40 posts replying to me getting your shit pushed in about meta shit because you no you have no counter-argument for me post.

I'm still going to play the game anon. You can't stop me.

This has nothing do do with what you replied to. I said "Then why are you so asspained over what I said? You already said you wanted to punch me. I've rattled you so hard because what I said was truth, and it has upset you."

Your complaints IS ABOUT A GAME YOU'VE NEVER PLAYED
You don't know how it's actually going to be.
Your whole thing makes no sense since all you've seen is footage
You're ridiculous. You're acting like this is the end times. We don't even know everything about the game yet or what it has to fully offer.
Your complaints are pointless.

It's so fucking strange watching this blatant shill pilpul around trying to work the narrative

You don't know how it's actually going to be.

Ok, then it should be real easy for you to explain how the points I made are wrong. However, you can't. Therefore, you lost. I'm 100% correct.

Even lesser excuse for the mod to not exist if that was true.

imagine how fucking mad he was typing that post, probably shit himself out of rage

then it should be real easy for you to explain how the points I made are wrong.

Simple, I disagree. I like playing things that are different than what came before. I like variety. I don't mind if it has glory kills or not. I don't mind if it's dark or not. I don't mind about people complaining about the platforming since it wasn't that big of a deal in the first place. I don't see the gripe about having "too many" weapons. Or if I'm fighting in a hallway, arena, in a completely open map.
That shit doesn't bother me, I'm not autistic about it. I play a lot of different types of games.
Every complaint you or anyone else makes won't mean jack shit to me.

qrd?

its just the devs and the fanbase of kids being fags. game itself is kino

Simple, I disagree.

You haven't addressed a single point I made. Therefore, I'm 100% correct. Thank you for proving me 100% correct with your inability to refute my points.

Every complaint you or anyone else makes won't mean jack shit to me.

And yet you can't help but respond.
You have a cognitive disonance, you have no reading comprehension, you have terrible memory, you lost an argument you started and you want to "punch me" because I said something negative about a game you're excited for.
You lost on every level.

What points have I not addressed?
Because I'll say the same exact thing as I've been saying.
You're just not processing your petty complaints don't make it law or fact.

What points have I not addressed?

Every single one. I'll repost the post here for the 5th time: >You're just not processing your petty complaints don't make it law or fact.
You made it fact by disagreeing with what I said and failing to refute it with a single argument.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't make things fact. It's a matter of preferences.
If you don't like a preference but I do. It won't matter to me what your complaints are as long as I like the preference.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't make things fact. It's a matter of preferences.

You made it fact by being incapable of refuting what I said. If I said 2+2=4, and you say "I disagree" and refuse to elaborate, you lose.

And to add onto your obnoxious post of I did address majority of the green text, you just didn't want to fucking read it.
You're just being obnoxious on purpose.

I did address majority of the green text, you just didn't want to fucking read it.

Your inability to quote the post were you did this speaks volumes.
Now you're just lying.

doom eternal but more retarded

Math equations is not opinion. Those are numbers.
Entertainment is opinionated, it's subjective. You can't state your opinions as "facts", that doesn't even make sense.

Not my fault you don't want to read. Facts is about objective things. Entertainment is SUBJECTIVE.
You can't have an argument about subjective material. You fucking retard. You can disagree, you can try and debate. But it's not an argument or "facts".

So you sucked at it.

im sorry for thinking you were a good game, you are terrinle and an awful doom game too

I stopped playing it for a week on Nightmare difficulty, got back on it and I'm fucking horrible and can't beat one encounter.

What makes it terrinle?

Entertainment is opinionated, it's subjective. You can't state your opinions as "facts", that doesn't even make sense.

You made it fact by being incapable of refuting what I said. If I said 2+2=4, and you say "I disagree" and refuse to elaborate, you lose. Your poor reading comprehension is showing again.

Not my fault you don't want to read.

You haven't refuted a single point I made. I gave you the opportunity to show where and you instead had a tantrum.

You lost.

Good job admitting you're shitposting.

Lying: 708558257
Cognitive dissonance: 708557974
No reading comprehension: 708552539 708558386
Thinks all FPS is the same: 708553021
Butthurt: 708555239
Bad memory: 708556016
Dodging: 708558386
Cope: 708558597

Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between objective and subjective.

You made it fact by being incapable of refuting what I said. If I said 2+2=4, and you say "I disagree" and refuse to elaborate, you lose. Your poor reading comprehension is showing again.

I just explained to you the difference between a math equation and personal preference of entertainment.
You literal retard.

its a good game but not a good doom game

Why does having to switch weapons and jump make boomer shooter fags shart their pants?

It's just boring to stare at a weapon wheel every 5 seconds and I don't know or care what a good quickswap pair would be

A preference is when its subjective. You made what I said objectively true by being incapable of refuting what I said. Therefore, my argument is as strong as a maths equasion.

FPS has always allowed you to switch weapons.

Quickswapping to shit out DPS is repetitive and boring. Every enemy encounter becomes the same.

That is how it works. I made a statement you were unable to falsify. Saying "I disagree" without refuting anything I said means you concede the argument, validating everything I said.

You lost. And you lied . And you're butthurt .

If you're not shitposting, baiting or trolling.
You are legit autistic if you are not comprehending what is happening here.
If I like something you don't, that doesn't make what you like objective.
You fucking moron.

I've changed my mind, these two guys playing who can pretend to be more retarded chicken is funny again

I can disagree on things without needing to explain them.
This isn't like saying a math equation is wrong. Math is factual and objective.
If you like a movie and you said how much you like the movie and I say I hated it and refuse to say why. That doesn't mean the movie was good. It was good TO YOU. But that doesn't make you "right".
You're a fucking weirdo.

I made a statement about how the Dark Ages is a step down from Eternal with severnal points to back that up.
You have so far completely failed to refute anything I said, and you even lied about responding, which validates everything I said.
I accept your concession, butthurt liar.

I can disagree on things without needing to explain them.

No you can't. When you do this, you validate what the other person has said.

when you get into quickswapping you don't even see the weapon wheel, it appears for milliseconds at a time, or not at all when you use the weapon swap button and just cycle between your last two selected weapons. the combinations aren't that many, there's like 6 viable pairs I think. though the base game is perfectly playable without quickswapping.

I made a statement

No you retard
YOU MADE AN OPINION
OPINION
OP-ON-ION

Isn't this that game where the players use anal dildos or something?

You made it fact by being incapable of refuting it. You lost, its entirely your fault. You validated me.
Now you're using caps because you're butthurt after being called out for lying.

What the fuck are you talking about?
If I don't like a movie, I'm allowed to not like it. I don't need your validation to dislike something.
You're legit autistic aren't you?

No anon
it's subjective
For love of god, look up what objective and subjective means you actual autistic fuck.
You stated OPINION. Opinions are not facts.

using a wheel at all

Just bind your weapons to different keys.
It's a fact that much of what is different in Dark Ages is a direct response to criticisms that Eternal has received.

The Doom Slayer™

I never disliked Eternal, just its most vocal fans.
The game itself is good, though I question certain things.

Flame belch has nearly no combat impact, meaning it has no purpose outside refilling armor, which makes me think it was only added for balance purposes.

Armor itself is just a second, less important health bar, which was also true for Doom 2016. I like it more in FPS games in general when armor judges the level of damage resistance on your health.

And going by recent statements in the Dark Ages marketing, it now seems like this kind of stuff is also in the game, I think cynically, to boost "engagement" in Hugo's words. It's giving you more nonsense to juggle in the middle of the FPS gameplay. I replay Quake and don't find myself missing any of those things. In a recent interview with both, Marty Stratton also referred to the mech and dragon segments of Dark Ages as "pacebreakers" and you can extrapolate this type of thinking resulted in Eternal's platforming segments. That's obvious to players, but it feels strange to hear the actual game developers call their own creations such things. It seems demeaning but it also makes me look at old shooters again. Classic Doom didn't need mandatory pacebreaking, basically no classic FPS did.

Is that really what modern designers think we want? Maybe it is outside a vocal minority and it's actually me who doesn't belong anymore. Maybe the mech/dragon shit in Dark Ages that's already being called the worst part of the game will be celebrated by the masses and any complaints will be met with insults and dismissiveness. Whatever the case, it's somewhat put a damper on my enjoyment of the nu-Doom games because there's this inescapable air of soullessness around gameplay and extra systems specifically designed to hog the player's attention. Like what's the matter, you don't think I'll enjoy your game for its own sake? Probably just comes from the market pressure to seek the widest audience possible.

If someone likes or dislikes something, then they have to make a case for why. If you can't, you're conceding the argument to the other party.
Because you're incapable of refuting anything I said, and you lied about doing it, then you concede.
I accept your concession.

h-he's fast

Okay so far we've learned that you don't know what statements, opinions, subjectuve, objective, facts or what arguments means.
You're incredibly stupid and I am being 100% real with you when I type this.
I think if you're not trolling. You're actually socially inept.

It's one guy fighting several anons

You're responding to someone different. You're so rattled lmao.

then they have to make a case for why

No anon
They don't
Who told you this?

Explain how any of those points are subjective.

That's how discussions and arguments work. "You're wrong" isn't an argument.
I made points, you're incapable of refuting those points, which validates everything I said.
You lost and I accept your concession.

Sorry that Anon Babble sucks so bad at video games that they got filtered by one of the greatest fps games of all time

subjective is based on feeling
objective is based on facts.
opinions are not facts. They're opinions.
Facts cannot be opinions. Because then they wouldn't be facts.
Liking or disliking something is not factual. It's subjective. Math equations are factual and objective.
Saying something is good or bad can never be factual unless it's something that can be harmful which would then be factual and objective.

My favourite doom is the one with the gravity gun ripoff

When you concede the argument, you've validated what the other person has said. You made it fact.

Anon saying I don't like a movie isn't saying you're wrong. It just means I don't agree with you.
Holy shit you're a moron

There was nothing saying it was good or bad, just that the design decisions stemmed from people getting mad at Eternal.

For what? It's objectively the best shooter ever made

If one person says they dislike a movie, then lists all of the reasons they dislike the movie, then the other person likes a movie says "I disagree" and doesn't refute anything, the person who dislikes the movie has won that argument.
Your reading comprehension is showing again.

2016 was good.
Eternal was good.
This one will be good too.
It's great to enjoy vidya gaems

No I didn't, it's still subjective. It's still based on personal prefences, not facts.

Still, it's not factual because not everyone agrees. it's subjective.

sure bud

each level is beautiuful and unique

how did they do it

You made it fact by failing to address a single points.

This. I've put maybe 140 hours into Eternal and any recent urge to replay it is met by "why bother". I found a process of quickswapping and cooldown management that works and the first playthrough I did with that process was very fun, but after that yeah everything just starts to blend together and the entire game might as well be the same arena with different spawns. Master levels mix things up in sometimes interesting ways but there are only 4 of those.
Whatever, 140 hours is good for a game. It's more than I give most games.

How is it subjective?

Anon, that's not what argument means.
Arguments are when you're trying to convince someone else that they're wrong.
I simply say i disagree. Disagreeing doesn't mean you're wrong. I just don't side with what you're saying.
You people need to learn to socialize, holy shit.

Respond to my post. Who has the more valid criticisms / argument in my post.

Doomtranny seethe ITT

Your points don't need to be addressed if it's subjective.
It is the OBECTIVE things that need to be addressed.
if you do the whole 2+2=4 and I say you're wrong or I disagree, you can then go "No, it is 4. I can show you".
If we're talking about anything involving personal preferences or beliefs. There doesn't need to be any further discussion about it. It's personal, it's subjective.

Its politically neutral, aka doesn’t fucking care sbout politics

every game has to have a spread of gay cooldown abilities like assfaggots

Take me back

Shit game, even shittier "fanbase".
Coincidentally, shit thread.

Math equations are factual and objective.

Kek. Are you seriously implying mathematicians don't have disagreements all the fucking time? Read up on the intuitionist school. Try telling them that your math is the objective truth.

Your points don't need to be addressed if it's subjective.

Yes they do. You failing to address what I said has validated my points. You lost the argument and I accept your concession.

Web 2.0 was a crime against humanity.

chainsaws for magic ammo

shoots epic Arachnotron™ weakpoint after lining up shot for 5 seconds while dashing side to side because pro Quake™ skills

retarded door opening cutscene plays

"Mhmm....rip and tear.. looks like the Hell Priest™ is nearby.. I will rip and tear because I am the ancient Doom Slaya™

"Come on, Vega™"

follows Skyrim™ compass

Picks up 10 epic fanfiction-tier lore dumps about how badass the Slaya™ is on the way

Door locks behind the Slaya™ and demons appear

cacophony of retarded monster noises while the fart synth kicks into action

chainsaws for magic ammo

"Rip and tear" WUBWUBWUBBWAMBWAMDUUUUUNUUUUNUUHHHNHUHHH *Uses Flame Belch™ on a deliberately spawned group of Possessed™ and they become Staggered™, does a badass Heat Blast™ and Armor Shards™ fly into the Slaya™'s face*

chainsaws for magic ammo

switches weapons 75 times

dashes aimlessly waiting for a Possessed™ to spawn

chainsaws for magic ammo

swings on monkey bars

performs impse

250 arena laps and 150 chainsaw uses later the Slaya™ is victorious

Mhmm.. The Hell Priest™ is not here.. Better tell Samuel Hayden™ about this

"Come on, Vega™"

Walks two meters and Alien Queen™ appears in an epic cutscene

"You will not defeat me, Slaya™, I am the Emperor of the Universe and you are nothing but a Usurper™, the Kar En Kuk™ Council of Elder Alien Space Sentinel Argent D' Nur™ has banished you from the alien kingdom and I will defeat you!"

Cut to black and level ends before epic boss fight so player can process how epic this is and maybe make a Reddit™ post about it before carrying on

DUNDUNDUNBWAMBWAMBWAM Mick Gordon farting BAM BAM BAM 50 ACTION POINTS 5 CRUCIBLE CREDIT SENTINEL SHIP ARGENT RECEIVED

You're not getting my point.
It's subjective. There is no argument. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

Because it's based on opinions not facts. The only way something can be fact if it's proven to be true. If you disagree with something subjective, it doesn't make the other person's preference or theory true. If it is objective like 2 + 2, then that can be proven.

first time?

Because it's based on opinions

It's not an opinion that Dark Ages was designed in response to people who got filtered by Eternal.

well I assumed that anon was using a controller. obviously you don't need the wheel on m+kb.

It's subjective. There is no argument. I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

Subjective things can be argued over. When you responded to my post without any arguments, you conceded the argument and validated everything I said.
I accept your concession. You lost.

He's moved onto some meta argument instead of talking about the Dark Ages because he's so rattled

You're splitting hairs and the things you're implimenting are theories and arguments about formulas.
You knew what I was saying anon. That's why i did the 2+2=4 thing.

Opinions can't be validated. You're not understanding still.
I said I disagree. If I said you were wrong, then that's a different thing.
But SUBJECTIVE THINGS BASED ON PERSONAL PREFERENCES CAN NEVER BE OBJECTIVE.
Holy shit dude. Come on. How are you still not getting this?

I legitimately don't understand why people defend and praise Doom Eternal. If it didn't have Doom in the name, I'd have just said it's yet another cookie cutter fps. Must be a zoomer thing.

Again, it's still subjective anon. You're making up shit.

No, that's not what that means. You're implying you've stated facts. You did not. You stated opinions which are subjective regardless if I address them or not.

Eternal still making Anon Babble seethe to this day.

You fags will never beat the Marauder accusations

Opinions can't be validated. You're not understanding still.

Person A says they like movie X and gives 10 points why they like the film.
Person B says they dislike movie X and gives 0 points why they dislike it.

Who is more valid in this scenario?

You don't know what subjective is.
Reminder: this isn't about liking or disliking anything, this is pattern recognition.

I'd have just said it's yet another cookie cutter fps.

It's an AAA game running on an incredibly well optimized bespoke engine and it has an unique gameplay, for which some people love it and some people hate it.

You're blind, or facetious.

You made my points into facts by failing to refute them and lying about refuting them. You disagreed with what I said, but couldn't explain why.
You lost. I won. I accept your concession.

Both
They're opinions. They don't need to be discussed.

Subjective is based on personal feelings. I know exactly what it means.

Not addressing your opinions does not make them validated. That's not how that works.

Subjective is based on personal feelings

Good thing this isn't.

Ok, so a rapist who thinks rape is fine is completely valid. Got it, rapist.

brown

This bullshit needs to stop. There are more colors than brown, light brown, dark brown, orange brown, blue brown, green brown, gray brown.

Lying: 708558257
Cognitive dissonance: 708557974
No reading comprehension: 708552539 708558386
Thinks all FPS is the same: 708553021
Butthurt: 708555239
Bad memory: 708556016
Dodging: 708558386
Cope: 708558597
Rapist: 708560664

You're ignoring the green, orange, red, and blue?

So you're saying the dictionary is wrong?

I didn't say that. You completely misread what I just said.

It runs like shit and has bugs that haven't been fixed since release. Why you believe a 1 in 100 game that runs adequately is "well optimized" is beyond me.

Unique gameplay

I've yet to experience it. Just feels like another fps with no exploration or challenge.

It’s a good game. I found Serious Sam 4 more fun though.

This right here is autistic behavior.

Your inability to explain how I misread what you said speaks volumes. I asked you:

Person A says they think rape is bad and gives 10 reasons rape is bad.

Person B says they think rape is good and has no reasons why.

Who is more valid in this scenario?

You responded:

They're opinions. They don't need to be discussed.

Therefore, you think someone who thinks rape is ok, without having any arguments is ok.
You're a rapist.

Sam 4 was a lot of fun when it worked.

It runs like shit

It's a 2020 game which run at roughly 60 FPS on my 1050Ti. That's good enough for me.

>Unique gameplay

I've yet to experience it.

You make most of your resources out of enemies, you can essentially stay in the fight forever. Most FPS aren't like that.

Sam 4 is a great game.

You asked me about movies and then twisted it about rape.
Like what the fuck is actually wrong with you?

Switching from serious engine to UE5 was a mistake

They don't know how to optimize and upgrade Serious Engine without Ladavac. SS4's horrendous optimization is enough proof.

Sam 4 was still on Serious Engine.

I tested your beliefs and proved you wrong, you don't actually believe what you're saying. You fell into my trap.
Baited and lost the argument.

For what?

Beliefs? Anon subjective is a word you can literally look up.
Also rape is not ok because objectively the definition of rape isn't based on opinion.

I didn't like this, all the dashing around gave me a headache.
Also it's ammo-management simulator

>Person A says they like movie X and gives 10 points why they like the film.

>Person B says they dislike movie X and gives 0 points why they dislike it.

>Who is more valid in this scenario?

Both

They're opinions. They don't need to be discussed. ()

>Person A says they think rape is bad and gives 10 reasons rape is bad.

>Person B says they think rape is good and has no reasons why.

>Who is more valid in this scenario?

Both

They're opinions. They don't need to be discussed. ()

You support rape. I bet you're a pedo as well since nobody can have an invalid opinion.

Now you're twisting things.
You're implying I'd agree with the person who thinks rape is ok.
You're just trying to manipulate the scenerio.

It's so fun watching some oversocialized participation ribbon retard getting beaten up

Weird flex being a loser but alright.

You do agree with the person who thinks rape is ok. You literally said they're both valid opinions. That's exactly what you said. You said a person who makes points has the same value as someone who thinks something "because".
You're a rapist.

Doom Eternal good because Dark Ages new therefore bad

I hate you people.

If he likes rape and I don't. That doesn't mean I'd agree with him. You're really scrapping at the bottom of the barrel when you realized you're socially stupid.

love you too

ULTRATROON

You're validating rape by saying his opinions matters just as much as yours. You support rape.

His point is perfectly cogent, anon, your squirming around trying to pretend he doesn't have a point is unbecoming.

I'm just gonna fucking say it, Shadow Warrior 3's gameplay is a better version of what Doom Eternal was trying to achieve and it's a shame Flying Wild Hog was stretched so thin across four fucking games that year that the game had a dearth of meaningful content and could be beaten in like 4 hours.
Hell Doom '16 is just a dressed up version of Shadow Warrior '13 with lock-in animations.

His opinions do matter. He has the right to belief things that I don't.
Me telling him it's wrong or why I think it's wrong isn't going to suddenly change his mind.

No it's not. I can't convince someone to not want to be into rape. They know society is against it. Me making a list of reasons is not going to make them change their ways or their mind.
You're childish if you think that.

glory kills are bad

is doom 2016 your first doom or something? that is a consensus for fans of the series. and not that they are an option, but that they are completely necessary to even have health, armor, or ammo. in brutal doom its just a silly option

platforming is too hard

no, platforming shouldn't be in a doom game. you know, the series that didn't even have a jump button until doom 3. its jarring how little it fits

there aren't enough enemies on the screen

yeah, when a game from 1993 can support a mod like nuts, and most modpacks support hundreds of enemies on a level, having routine encounters with at most 4 enemies and a couple ammo pinatas sucks

the levels aren't open enough

not everyone is impressed by arenas tied together by corridors ad nauseum with every 'secret' just being a little j shape off the beaten path

He has the right to belief things that I don't.

We're not talking about his rights. We're discussing who has the valid argument.

Me telling him it's wrong or why I think it's wrong isn't going to suddenly change his mind.

That's exactly how arguments work, you change someones minds by making valid points.

Fucking kino levels

There's no way you're this autistic you think you can tell someone who is into things, give them a list why they shouldn't be like that and it'd somehow change them?
There's no way you actually believe this.

is doom 2016 your first doom or something? that is a consensus for fans of the series. and not that they are an option, but that they are completely necessary to even have health, armor, or ammo. in brutal doom its just a silly option

No, its a consensus among shitters. Glory kills are a far more interesting way of generating health than hiding like a pussy or backtracking for health packs and they add value to fodder and can be used for iframes.

no, platforming shouldn't be in a doom game.

The original doom had platforming you mong, you can even rocket jump. You don't actually know anything about doom lmao.

yeah, when a game from 1993 can support a mod like nuts, and most modpacks support hundreds of enemies on a level, having routine encounters with at most 4 enemies and a couple ammo pinatas sucks

Having more enemies on the screen isn't interesting, its how those enounters and enemies actually work.

not everyone is impressed by arenas tied together by corridors ad nauseum with every 'secret' just being a little j shape off the beaten path

It's called pacing and it works fine.

look mom I posted it again!

I bet you're fat

Fuck Flying Wild Hog. A faithful game, to a co-op looter shooter to whatever this embarrassment was.

There's no way you're this autistic you think you can tell someone who is into things, give them a list why they shouldn't be like that and it'd somehow change them?

There's no way you actually believe this.

That's literally how we know rape is bad you rapist. People made points as to why rape is bad, and we (not you) agree with those points.

glory kills are far more interesting than secrets that sometimes double the map size

running over gaps is platforming and totally the same as double jump dashing to sonic springs and spinpoles to reach a climbable ledge

having less enemies is somehow more interesting

pacing is making the game a straight line

yeah i win, i don't care about this argument anymore

I didn't need a list of things to know rape is bad. If you did, you might be retarded.

So you can't explain why rape is bad? Holy shit, you really are a rapist.

glory kills are far more interesting than secrets that sometimes double the map size

Doom Eternals secrets are far more interesting because there is platforming.

running over gaps is platforming and totally the same as double jump dashing to sonic springs and spinpoles to reach a climbable ledge

Yes, that's platforming. People even refer to it as "jumping" when you cross a gap.

having less enemies is somehow more interesting

Having 10,000 revenents in a map isn't interesting anon. Never has been. Doom Eternal's combat is objectively better.

pacing is making the game a straight line

Pacing is about having a mix of story beats, platforming, combat, secrets, unlocks etc

GKs were always bad. I never understood why so many people loved seeing the exact same prefabbed animations repeatedly. Any juvenile cool factor you're obviously supposed to be feeling from the exaggerated violence is lost when you see it so often. It's like preferring the death animations in Max Payne 1 over ragdolls. To date, and even Dark Ages won't change this, the impact that turning any enemy into health/armor/ammo has on level design has never been addressed in nu-Doom. And GKs are not "being more aggressive" because pausing the game is the exact opposite of being aggressive. TAG's extra life rune is actually doing what GKs pretended to do.

Eternal's secrets are more fun to figure out, but they're generally worth less because you can just create resources out of nothing and the megasphere no longer overheals you.

5 years and still counting lol

Any juvenile cool factor you're obviously supposed to be feeling from the exaggerated violence is lost when you see it so often.

You only have to glory kill when you're low on health. Unless you're bad, you shouldn't be doing them all the time. But they're also useful for mitigating damage and even can be used as a movement mechanic.

To date, and even Dark Ages won't change this, the impact that turning any enemy into health/armor/ammo has on level design has never been addressed in nu-Doom.

It was a positive impact. It forces you to play aggressive. The game is about generating resources and spending those resources optimally. If you want to solve maps, go play OG Doom or Quake. There's infinite content there.

Having 10,000 revenents in a map isn't interesting anon.

Not him but who do you think you're fooling with this brazen dishonesty? Play absolutely any amount of classic Doom that isn't just slaughterslop.

Dooms combat was never is strong suit, its been superceded by Eternal if you want good combat. Doom is about solving maps with the given resources. That's it.

Eternal's combat eventually makes every area feel samey. Classic Doom's rules have lent to much greater variety by mappers. Do you think people will still be releasing Eternal mods in 2050?

Pausing the game in the middle of combat isn't aggressive.

People are barely releasing Doom Eternal mods in 2025.

slop

Managing your fodder is aggressive.
Damaging fodder is aggressive.
Moving in for Glory Kills is aggressive.
Using them for i-frames is aggressive.
Using them for movement mechanics is aggressive.
Hiding to regen isn't aggressive.
Backtracking for picksups isn't aggressive.
Humping walls isn't aggressive.

You need to be proactive in more difficult Doom levels because it's very easy to get boxed in and die.

And you can't do any of that with a cutscene attack?

Using them for i-frames is aggressive.

lmao

No, it was a shit doom game. 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards from doom 2016

Here is the reality that zoomies dont like to hear.
Dooms primary aspect was map exploration and secret finding, NuDoom has fuck all in terms of map exploration and secret finding its just area to arena with "secrets" that you can find if you simply rub the last 2 brain cells you have that are fighting over third place.

You need to be proactive

Absolutely not Dooms combat is solved by nothing more than dodging projectiles, line of sighting hitscanners and running away from stuff approaching you with using whatever weapon.

And you can't do any of that with a cutscene attack?

No
You have to put yourself in danger by doing to the enemy to perform a glory kill. If you do it wrong, you can even put yourself in a worse position.

Nobody is suggesting anything better.

Absolutely no

Play community wads.

80% of community wads are slaughterslop. The only good WAD is Doom Zero.

Why? Because we know our fans

Any popular game that would do this would be lambasted left and right online forever, but this is a niche tranny game so it couldn't be any more fitting

What community wads have better combat than Doom Eternal?

Eternal's combat is solved by nothing more than switching between your ballista, SSG, precision bolt, and rockets. Then chainsawing when you run out of ammo in 10 seconds.

No. 2016 is better.

DOOM Eternal is a fun video game

Scythe

*easier

Eh.

Not as bad people said it was, but nowhere near as good either. Encounter design was hit or miss. Level design was mostly ok. Weapons were fun and meaty. Story (lol) was dogshit.

6.5/10

Wrong. Doom Eternal has a low cap on resources and is about generating and spending those resources optimally by using right tool for the job while mitigating incoming damage with your movement toolkit.
To pretend for a second that OG doom has better combat than Eternal is embarrassing. Stop.
Generic Doom combat. Yawn.

Wrong. Doom Eternal has a low cap on resources and is about generating and spending those resources optimally by using right tool for the job while mitigating incoming damage with your movement toolkit.

Imagine saying all this to simply say

Doom has weapons that are better against some enemies then others.

Its not that fucking deep bro. NuDoom has the depth of a kiddy pool.

youtu.be/oovcXGwk9lU?t=12058
LOL

Doom Eternal has a low cap on resources

But the means to get them back respawn infinitely. There is no situation where you're ever completely without ammo, and the chainsaw always gives back every ammo type so you're free to spam your highest burst damage weapons to kill every enemy in the exact same way.

Thanks for proving my point that Doom Eternal is a thinly veiled resource management simulator posing as an FPS. Fucking retard.

No need to, it's the best FPS game ever made and is considered a cult classic
2016 feels like an alpha version afterwards
Looking forward to Dark Ages

Still better, no amount of red light/green light can change that.

Its not that fucking deep bro

Evidently it is since you just said what I said but removed the important parts.

But the means to get them back respawn infinitely.

No shit, the game is literally about generating resources. It's not going to be interesting if you run out of ammo in a Doom Eteranl fight.
Thinly veiled? Anon, that's literally the fundamentals of the game. You generate resources by using your toolkit and you spend it optimally. You agree with me you fucking moron.

You like it more because you suck dick at Eternal lol

2016 lacks depth and its difficulty curve is completely backwards. Imps are the most dangerous enemy in the game.

Every single time

U JUST DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE UR SUCKS XD

Maybe it's just shit

There is world where 2016 is better with that pitiful and stale enemy roster
Same thing goes for level variety

Every single time

I DON'T LIKE IT BUT I CAN'T SAY WHY

Maybe it's just good

It's not going to be interesting if you run out of ammo in a Doom Eteranl fight.

It could be, because then you wouldn't be able to rely on the same combo for literally 100% of the base game's enemy roster. They had to create monsters with artificial weaknesses just to prevent people from using the game 2-4 guns constantly.

no world*

depth

2016 is boring.

It could be

Not without giving the player too many resources to the point it doesn't matter. In which case, you might as well just play Doom.

They had to create monsters with artificial weaknesses just to prevent people from using the game 2-4 guns constantly.

Yeah, that's what I mean when I say spend your resources properly. If you're only using 10% of your toolkit, the game isn't very good.

Doomguy says F*CK TRANSPHOBES.
Sorry, I don't make the rules.

Name a better FPS then.

I still just use SSG/Ballista for everything except Khan Maykr and Dark Lord. Why bother with any other weapons?

Doom can be as hard as you want it to be, it can be whatever it wants, and it will keep doing this for another century.
Meanwhile Eternal will die despite all the modding tools daddy bethesda made for you because no one who plays Eternal cares about it outside of jerking weapons for ten hours straight and base campaign already covers it.
youtube.com/watch?v=gvQOy4gO7yo

Not without giving the player too many resources to the point it doesn't matter.

Wrong.

In which case, you might as well just play Doom.

I do.

Yeah, that's what I mean when I say spend your resources properly

They did it in such a clumsy way. Like the Spirit being weak to ONLY ONE mod on ONE weapon.

If you're only using 10% of your toolkit, the game isn't very good.

But that's Eternal and any time there isn't a Stone Imp or Spirit on the screen. Even Hugo just uses SSG/Ballista the entire time, because there's no punishment for doing so.

They made Eternal before Eternal even released.
moddb.com/mods/complex-doom-clusterfuck

I could barely play more than 40 hours of 2016, and god knows I tried
Everytime you reach the halfway point of 2016 you already know the game ran out steam and doesn't have any more curve balls to throw at you, you're just going through the motions
Meanwhile I spent 140 hours on Eternal (and still counting)
Eternal is just a better video game all around, and it also has more content

act like a stupid, think like a brilliant

good morning

I just replayed both back-to-back this past week. 2016 has exactly 4 things I prefer over Eternal:

Arcade mode

Ultra Nightmare restarts immediately and skips the tutorial fight

Enemies can actually hurt each other

A small one, but the mega health actually giving you an overheal instead of just maxing out your current stack is more interesting and gives a reason to actually search for secrets.

I don't get the place Eternal has in the gaming sphere. To most fps fans they hate Eternal but to the masses its a huge success and a gold standard for fps games.

Why bother with any other weapons?

Lock-On Burst is the best DPS in the game. Ammo-hungry, but if you need to delete a Baron or Tyrant, or 3-4 Hell Knights, or an Arch-Vile, that's your weapon.

Stickies clean up nests of fodder.

Destroyer Blade just straight up one-shots many heavies. You can charge it before they spawn, or in the air.

Chaingun with Shield makes you invincible and has decent DPS.

PB is good damage for cheap and makes your quickswaps quicker. No one who actually knows shit about swapping uses SSG-Ballista, they use PB-SSG, PB-Ballista, PB-Rocket.

To most fps fans they hate Eternal

Replace "to most fps fans" with "contrarian Anon Babbleermin"

Normies love lowest common denominator garbage. Look at Skyrim, for example, or the husked out corpse of Fallout that they're still parading around.

No need, I have been glazing since day 1.

Or Doom 2016

Why waste the time and ammo when you can simply combo everything to death with 2 guns that have plenty of reserve ammo.

Eternal is a broken record of shit level design where every enemy encounter is a dm arena with jump pads and monkey bars to swing off of. Looking back I can't really find a single reason to ever want to replay Eternal. The new game looks neat with the combat this time but I'm not a fan of every genre becoming parry slop now. I just hope the level design will be decent but since it's a modern game I bet it will just be very long hallways.

I don't get the place Eternal has in the gaming sphere.

It's simple really
It's the best first person shooter game ever made, objectively
I'm not sure why this fact seem to annoy so many people

the games not dark enough

Are you so retarded you think this one's dark because it's in the title?

glory kills are bad

Melee instead of shooting? Yes, it's bad.

platforming is too hard

Why do yo spell "bad" as h-a-r-d all of a sudden? You didn't last line.

fast weapon swapping is bad

It's just less interesting than having different weapons that are good for different things. Which dark ages doesn't seem to be doing either, so.

there is too much utility

No one said that about anything, at any point in regards to this game, any other or anything in history.

there aren't enough enemies on the screen

the levels aren't open enough

That's what you think is bad about the new one?
Nothing but marauder fights? Weird. I thought we warned you retards about this. Why aren't you happy? You should be happy.

I just explained why. I bet I can kill Barons faster by spamming LoB than you kill them with PB-SSG, for example. Or kill Pain Elementals safer with CG+Shield. I'm not really good at the game, but I've completed Ultra-Nightmare, and I crutched heavily on LoB and CG.

You and OP both suck cocks. Objectively.

For me, it’s Cultist Base (the ost, fuck the level)

No need to project.
Still better than red light/green light

It's the best level in the game. The OST is good, too. Especially the ambient. Actually, Eternal's ambient is underrated.

ominous chanting in Cultist Base

quiet chanting in Sentinel levels

throat singing in Urdak

muh chainsaw zombies for ammo, muh platforming. what a fucking failure

youtube.com/watch?v=hvOo2OyL_Tg

Case en point

You can in eternal. You have to be told you can first.

I forgot the fifth thing, but it can be added to the fourth point:
Secret weapons. Eternal is designed so rigidly that it expects you to have certain weapons for each fight, you can't explore and get a rocket earlier than normal. The one gun you can miss is garbage.

This is such an inconsequential nitpick

It absolutely is not.

For me, it's Meathook.
youtube.com/watch?v=Z-71-i1akB0

That's why I forgot about it. But it was cool to find a plasma gun in level 2 of 2016 just by being curious.

Just be sure to keep the suicide hotline handy when the game doesn't tortanic, anon.

It's not that big of a deal because you'll always go for it once you know it's there, and they never design encounters expecting you to have a gun you've missed.

but if you need to delete a Baron or Tyrant, or 3-4 Hell Knights

SSG/Ballista w/flame belch, use chainsaw when needed, save ice bomb for later in the fight if needed because that cooldown sux

nests of fodder

Those are useful. Why would I ever kill something so easy to circumnavigate when resources aren't on the line?

heavies

SSG/Ballista w/flame belch, use chainsaw when needed, save ice bomb for later in the fight if needed because that cooldown sux

You can charge it before they spawn

Memorizing enemy placement is for fags.

makes you invincible

Flame blech, meathook, dashing

No one who actually knows shit about swapping uses SSG-Ballista

Looks to me like you don't need to know shit to beat the game.

Imps are the most dangerous enemy in the game.

That's true if you have the mod that removes glory kills. Otherwise they're just free health.

Not with how garbage the base shotgun is.

>platforming is too hard

There are people who literally spent weeks on the pathetic ass platform section in Exultia, it's like the second level in the game
I get now why so many retards bitched and whined so much about le platform, they're just bad at fucking video games LMAO
I also get why they completely remove verticality in Dark Ages

The shotgun is shit so that you can get a glory kill out of them. If it was like in 1, they crumple to quickly to get the health

I bet I can kill Barons faster by

Cool if that's important to you but many of us don't find this a compelling reason to learn a game's mechanics inside and out. This is where the speedruntranny accusations come from.

For combat? I can't.

the rest of them game is so easy consolbabbies had no problem with it until the platforming showed up

Guess they should have made dark ages nothing but platforming.

SSG/Ballista w/flame belch, use chainsaw when needed

LoB is just faster, literally fire and forget.

Those are useful. Why would I ever kill something so easy to circumnavigate

Light them on fire and throw some stickies there.

SSG/Ballista w/flame belch, use chainsaw when needed

SSG sucks against Whiplashes, for example. Requires close range, too.

Memorizing enemy placement is for fags.

See big red pillar -> charge blade. There's a fight early in Arc Complex where you drop down an 3 Whiplashes charge you from a corridor. I once charged my DBlade and cut them all in one attack. Ez.

Flame blech, meathook, dashing

None of that makes you invincible.

Looks to me like you don't need to know shit to beat the game.

Yeah, it's an easy game. I think it's easier than 2016. I beat DE on UNM and I wouldn't even dream about beating 2016 on UNM. Way too frustrating and hard.

Anyway, you asked for reasons to use other guns, I gave you mine. You CAN beat the game just by using SSG-Ballista. You won't be playing optimally (hint: look at what NM-100% speedrunners are using for optimal tech), but who cares, it's an easy casual game, play it how you want to.

only the mighty speedtranny realizes that shooting 3 locked rockets in a row might do some damage

Are you so retarded you think this one's dark because it's in the title?

Are you so retarded you think that's what I was referring to?

Melee instead of shooting? Yes, it's bad.

Name a better system for regenerating resources.

Why do yo spell "bad" as h-a-r-d all of a sudden? You didn't last line.

There's nothing wrong with platforming.

It's just less interesting than having different weapons that are good for different things.

It's more interesting than not having it.

No one said that about anything, at any point in regards to this game, any other or anything in history.

And yet here we are, with people crying about all the utility in Doom Eternal

That's what you think is bad about the new one?

I don't think having hordes of fodder is interesting, no.